ok, to be honest...
i am, once again, trying to figure out this relationship thing, and my place in it. not just primary or intimate relationship but relationship to people in general.
i love a lot, and attract people and help them and love them, its my nature. im a healer of sorts, a counselor and i get great satisfaction in helping people to remember their Truth. im good at it because they know i care.
i have a ton of acquaintances, know a ton of people; from my spiritual community, classmates, etc. there is a lot of love around me, i am appreciated and contribute to my world.
i have a lot of people who want to be friends, yet i have few friends. damn few.
i have enough women who would be in relationship with me,
but i have few relationships. and those that i do have seem to be short lived.
i usually find some excuse to bail.
i was listening in one of my classes today about the importance of communication,
of interaction with people socially, casually, just for fun. dinner parties and such.
i cant remember the last time i hosted something like that,
and the few i have attended have not been comfortable,
probably because they were people i did not know particularly well.
i enjoy my own company and am used to spending a lot of time by myself.
but - the big but - somehow i know im shortchanging myself, and perhaps shortchanging others by not taking advantage of and contributing to the synergy that happens with healthy interaction...
its just not normal... i know i know, no such thing as normal. but its not balanced, not healthy somehow. i mean im a relatively smart guy, more or less educated, can handle myself in most situations, and yet, am finding myself increasingly frustrated with my aparent ineptness in this area...
perhaps the most important of all areas...
not really sure what im looking for here, if anything.
i just needed to dump, to get it out. im not big about sharing stuff like this, and sometimes a person just needs to get it out, you know?
and where better than a place where no one knows... no friends, see? its safe!
so there it is, my puke d'jour.
xoj
i am, once again, trying to figure out this relationship thing, and my place in it. not just primary or intimate relationship but relationship to people in general.
i love a lot, and attract people and help them and love them, its my nature. im a healer of sorts, a counselor and i get great satisfaction in helping people to remember their Truth. im good at it because they know i care.
i have a ton of acquaintances, know a ton of people; from my spiritual community, classmates, etc. there is a lot of love around me, i am appreciated and contribute to my world.
i have a lot of people who want to be friends, yet i have few friends. damn few.
i have enough women who would be in relationship with me,
but i have few relationships. and those that i do have seem to be short lived.
i usually find some excuse to bail.
i was listening in one of my classes today about the importance of communication,
of interaction with people socially, casually, just for fun. dinner parties and such.
i cant remember the last time i hosted something like that,
and the few i have attended have not been comfortable,
probably because they were people i did not know particularly well.
i enjoy my own company and am used to spending a lot of time by myself.
but - the big but - somehow i know im shortchanging myself, and perhaps shortchanging others by not taking advantage of and contributing to the synergy that happens with healthy interaction...
its just not normal... i know i know, no such thing as normal. but its not balanced, not healthy somehow. i mean im a relatively smart guy, more or less educated, can handle myself in most situations, and yet, am finding myself increasingly frustrated with my aparent ineptness in this area...
perhaps the most important of all areas...
not really sure what im looking for here, if anything.
i just needed to dump, to get it out. im not big about sharing stuff like this, and sometimes a person just needs to get it out, you know?
and where better than a place where no one knows... no friends, see? its safe!
so there it is, my puke d'jour.
xoj
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Re: relationship dump
Sun, October 22, 2006 - 8:35 AMHmmm...this is an interesting post jeff. Because, I was just thinking the same thing last night. I am married, have a great husband, but I have very very friends and we have a limited social life. Last night my husband was talking to a friend and the friend had to run to go to a dinner party. I realize, geez it has been forever since we have been at a dinner party. I use to have a life (I was married/divorced to a politician many yrs ago) where I was constantly at such events. I never really liked them mostly because I didn't feel like I fit in. It seemed so...well not real.
After that period I spent many years alone, hard to find friends or even a relationship...just never seemed to jell with anyone. I finally met my husband and it was so comfortable, wonderful, blissful and easy all at the same time.
But now I yearn for close friends and social interaction... it is just hard to find.
Unlike you, I am not around folks that are spiritual so this may be why I have a hard time finding these people.
But where there may be some common thread...
It may be a fear of expanding the comfort zone. And not in the usual sense. For me at least, I am uncomfortable with what I perceive to be superficial, one demensional interactions...the very same interactions that most people feel comfortable with. So, unlike most folks, I feel way more comfortable in honest, open, deep discussions...things dinner parties are not made of. However, in sum, I am just like the folks that don't want to expand and explore the deep edges...I don't want to expand and get comfortable with the simple social chatting.
Anyway, not sure if this helps at all, just thought it was a interesting my feelings and your post were on the same wave link, so I thought i would chime in to see if i could help.
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Re: relationship dump
Thu, October 26, 2006 - 9:57 PMI'm similar to your description. I think because we're healers we know the dark side of people, and I know it's true of me, maybe for you, that I am trepedacious of getting close to people because of how crazy they may prove to be, even YEARS and YEARS later, and how much they can potentially damage my spirit. At this point in my life I would rather grow a successful career and give love in some way back to society on a grander scale, so I guess I feel that it's my path to slog it alone.
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Re: relationship dump
Fri, October 27, 2006 - 10:10 AMi have very few friends....a number of acquaintances, but i don't share everything with them (i only share what i'm comfortable sharing with my good friends).
after realizing i was in a pattern of abusive relationships, i just took a break from it for a looooonnnnnnng time to reframe my ideas of what was attractive to me.
being empathetic means i pick up on other people's stuff, so the level of honesty they have about owning their stuff (not fixing it, just owning it) is key for me. it's one of the reasons why my family are more baggage than not....a lack of honesty about what's really going on (and wearing a lot of happy masks while judging other people....a long story).
my experience is that it doesn't take that many good friends to know one's appreciated. it's just a matter of finding the right ones for you ;-).
and they're out there....my take has been....be the person i'd want to be friends with, and it seems to work in attracting more honest people (not a lot of them, but then....don't need a lot to make a lot of difference ;-)). -
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Re: relationship dump
Fri, October 27, 2006 - 10:20 AMUm, knock knock. I think the lot of you ought to go over to the unconditional love tribe.
The only way you will be able to attract the type of people to whom you can be close is if you learn how to be close to yourself first. If you learn to love yourself, you can learn to form close loving relationships with other people.
How do I know this? I have to do it myself. It's something I have only realized within the last few days. I can tell myself I love myself all I want. But if I sit and really feel deep inside of myself, I can tell I don't love me. There is something deep inside me, from a couple past lives ago to be sure, that is preventing myself from feeling worthy. Worthy of what? Worthy of feeling the deep connection to the ONE HEART. I can tell that I haven't completely unblocked a portion of me, between the 2nd and 3rd chakras, that allows me to make that connection to the HEART OF SPIRIT. So, if I can't connect with that, how in the world can I be expected to connect with myself, and through me, the rest of the world? Each person has to find within themselves what their own blocks are. For once we can remember we are all connected at the heart, it helps us connect to those who would be part of our hearts on a daily basis.
So, off I go. I hope I can do it. It will be hard. But I have faith that it can be done.
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Re: relationship dump
Fri, October 27, 2006 - 12:47 PMI don't understand how someone can reject people from this tribe in the first sentence, and then say in the following paragraph that they were trying to connect with people? -
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Re: relationship dump
Fri, October 27, 2006 - 4:57 PMAnd how does a recommendation to visit the unconditional love tribe, a place where there is an enormous amount of information to learn from, translate as a rejection?
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Re: relationship dump
Fri, October 27, 2006 - 2:58 PMjust because i love someone unconditionally doesn't mean i need to be their friend (or they need to be mine) or that friendship is even appropriate ;-).
i'd consider learning to love oneself unconditionally and others unconditionally to be a really important step in relationships, however my experience is that it doesn't translate into relationships with, say abusers (who can be loved unconditionally....but as they are from a distance as long as they're in denial about what they do).
loving and caring for oneself in my experience also means being safe with one's time and energy.
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Re: relationship dump
Mon, October 30, 2006 - 10:28 AMHi Jeff,
The "relationship thing" you're trying to figure out is a common theme with a lot of guys I know. I have many questions, but perhaps what you have written is just enough information for me to form an opinion that I must of course base on my own experiences.
In the past I believe I felt similar to the way you do, I had lots of friends (that is, acquaintances), only one or two really good friends, and was generally well-liked by everyone around me. But I saw a lot of people around me getting into relationships (or maybe they were already in a relationship when I met them), and they seemed to be happier as a result. So I tried it a few times, and like yours, my relationships were short-lived, as I too found a reason to bail. I think I was sabotaging those relationships deliberately, but it would have been on a subconscious level.
Later I began realizing that I was choosing people I was fairy certain would not want something long-term. Finally it dawned on me -- I was doing the "relationship thing" because I thought it was the thing to do, when in actuality, I really didn't want anyone to come into my life and mess it up. I was already living the way I wanted to, coming and going as I pleased, you get the idea. In fact, I wasn't even lonely, although like you, I thought I might have been shortchanging myself, or simply missing out on "something".
Now this may not apply to you, but let me say that the only thing I was really missing out on was enjoying the single life for fear that the grass "might" be greener on the other side. I let go of that notion and it was my choice, the right choice, to be happily single for about five years. Not only did I have the time of my life, but I think I grew more in that five years, doing what "I" wanted to do, getting to know the real "me", than in any other time in my life. And hey, I never knew how wonderful it was to really get to know myself. Yes, I made mistakes. And some mistakes were ones I would gladly repeat, if I knew I could get away with it. ;-)
It was when I stopped comparing myself to the standards of other people, of society, that I felt like I wasn't missing out on anything because I was fulfilled by doing my own things (which frequently did involve social situations). And that time of growing and self-acceptance, that "me-time", was what prepared me to be truly ready when an opportunity for a relationship would come. But I have always known, if I were ever to get in a relationship, that it better not feel like some sort of miserable prison-trap.
Today, I am in a relationship, but we do not live together. We each have our own separate lives that constantly and continuously overlap with each other. More specifically, we did not compromise our identities or give up on certain ways of living, certain lifestyles, that we had before we met each other. Yes, we have committed as far as fidelity goes, but we let each other be who they already were and always have been. It might not work for everyone, but it works for us so well that it actually keeps us together and happy. We always work together and help each other out, we are like a team of two friends with benefits. I wouldn't have it any other way.
It wasn't until I was in my early thirties that I actually believed I could have such a relationship. I had been brought up to believe that there was only one "right" way to have one, but all that rubbish has been dismissed from my life.
Don't sit there believing you are inept with social interaction -- what, are you comparing yourself to others? Couldn't it simply be that the way other people socially interact isn't the way "you" need to? I can carry on a conversation with the best of them. But for me, it is far more satisfying to be around only one or two good friends at a time, having a sincere and genuine exchange (over dinner? over the phone?), so that I am not overstimulated. You don't need to expand your comfort zone if you don't want to, but it helps to understand how a limited comfort zone also limits your potential to feel comfortable.
Here's food for thought. If you are uncomfortable at certain types of social gatherings, then chances are the type of person whom you may be compatible with may also be uncomfortable there; and so perhaps that is not the type of situation you would find a potential partner. But, it never hurts to go a little outside of yourself sometimes. :-) Envision the best case scenario for yourself, something that would truly make you feel that life is totally worth living. Envision it every day, and allow it to evolve over time. Resist the temptation to judge yourself, just let yourself "be" yourself. You're a great guy. :-) Good luck. -
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Re: relationship dump
Sat, June 23, 2007 - 8:41 PMHi,
This is my first post in this tribe and if I may, I'll jump in with my point-of-view. I have this saying.... "I'm a kind and loving man... just ask my friends... if I had any."
In my previous way of interacting with people I was always on the outside looking in, trying to fit in and be like the others around me. Friends were only friends as long as I was in agreement with what they said or did and once I opposed them, there was no longer a relationship... The reasons I opposed them revolved around my "feelings" and if it didn't "feel" right or loving.. it really took a lot out of me (energy wise).. I denied myself over and over trying to "please" others, to make "them" happy... hoping that maybe.. I would also find happiness.... but it never happened.
It wasn't until years later I realized the game I was playing, the "denial" game... and where is the "unconditional" love for myself if I deny any part of myself in favour of another person. Love is a "feeling" and it's not something that you "learn" to do... That form of love is old school "conditional" love that everyone is familiar with and are trying to pass off as unconditional... We search for the truth and unconditional love.... and we’ve all been taught "the truth" and how to "be loving" (notice, they are not one and the same). People search for the truth, yet are afraid to speak or hear the truth, so how can we ever find the truth if it’s always denied?
Now I'm happy being with myself and no longer "acting" trying to make or be a friend. I say what I feel, when I feel it. I take responsibility for my feelings and emotions, and I let others do the same for theirs. Now I have many acquaintances but one "real" friend as most people are not yet ready to get off their position of denial and speak the truth. Denial is the "common thread" that joins humanity in commonality and creates the confusion, chaos and unlovingness that we experience. While I'm happy being with myself, I'm still searching to connect with others who are REAL and also on their healing path as I still have more healing to do, and it's easier, if you have someone (a friend) who can see your denials when you are blind to them, and to tell it like it is.
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Re: relationship dump
Mon, June 25, 2007 - 10:04 AMI got stuck in a similar situation, I ended up with my wife's friends, it was easy as I let her do the social planing, this was a great plan till she died and her friends all seemed to move on, then I had mainly were people from work and people I went to high school with, so I have been faced with finding new friends and have been doing them here on Tribe, I regret that I am not closer in distance to them but would not trade the opportunity that this has presented me with.
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