Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me

topic posted Sun, December 10, 2006 - 6:44 PM by  sherpa
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I strongly recommend any and all of these films for their high artistic merit, provocative moods and startling reflections of what seems to me like the same journey in and out of Chapel Perilous.

JACOB'S LADDER by Adriane Lyne
THE DOUBLE LIFE OF VERONIQUE by Krzysztof Kieslowski
THE PASSENGER by Michelangelo Antonioni
CATCH-22 by Mike Nichols
JULIET OF THE SPIRITS by Frederico Fellini
SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT by Wojciech Has
BLADE RUNNER (director's cut) by Ridley Scott
BLUE VELVET by David Lynch
EL TOPO by Alejandro Jodorowsky
APOCALYPSE NOW REDUX by Francis Ford Coppola
HEART OF GLASS by Werner Herzog
THE ELEMENT OF CRIME by Lars Von Trier


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sherpa
SF Bay Area
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  • Interesting that "Jacobs Ladder" is the first one listed. Whenever I try to explain what it was like during my "dark night of the soul", I often recommend that very film as being representative of the horror in which I found myself. Also, that film suggests a way through the chapel: stop fighting, stop holding on, and let go. The chiropracter's paraphrase of my favorite Rhineland mystic is a brilliant summary of the fruitlessness of trying to fight one's way out of the chapel and how one must relinquish the false sense of control while accepting the chaos of thesituation.
  • I'm pleased to see that someone has already mentioned PINK FLOYD THE WALL. I think it's one of the greatest of Chapel Perilous films.

    Back in the early 1980s, the original album version of THE WALL provided my first introduction to the concept of Chapel Perilous. In fact, that album is such an eloquent document of Chapel Perilous that my response to many of the lessons I've learned about Chapel Perilous in the past quarter-century has been, "Ah, yes, just like that bit in THE WALL..."

    Roger Waters knows Chapel Perilous extraordinarily well, and most of his best work is about it - not only THE WALL, but also WISH YOU WERE HERE, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, the first side of THE FINAL CUT, and THE PROS AND CONS OF HITCHHIKING.

    Oh, but wait - we were talking about movies, not music...

    A few good ones that I haven't seen mentioned yet:

    THE FISHER KING (Gilliam)

    THE CONVERSATION (Coppola)

    IKIRU (Kurosawa)

    And of course one of the greatest Chapel Perilous films of all time is also one of the greatest martial arts films: Kihachi Okamoto's brilliantly bleak epic SWORD OF DOOM. Few actors do the "trapped in Chapel Perilous" look as perfectly as Tatsuya Nakadai does it.
  • Yes, Antero, I do believe you correct in surmising the Chapel's ubiquitous pearly presence of Peril, us. This is really strange, either my collect/view has gravitated towards this slant, or it is very very common for certain "artsy" genres..

    PARTNER by Bernardo Bertolucci
    PERSONA by Ingmar Bergman
    BEAUTY & THE BEAST by Jean Cocteau
    WEEKEND by Jean-Luc Godard
    MY NAME IS IVAN by Andrei Tarkovsky
    EARTH by Oleksandr Dovshenko
    FANDO Y LIS & HOLY MOUNTAIN by Alejandro Jodorowsky
    THE COLOR OF POMEGRANATES by Sergei Paradjanov
    LIQUID SKY by Slava Tsukerman
    SATYRICON by Federico Fellini
    GOYA IN BORDEAUX by Carlos Saura
    SEX AND LUCIA by Julio Medem
    TESIS & OPEN YOUR EYES by Alejandro Amenabar
    (wow) THE SEA INSIDE by Alejandro Amenabar
    CITY OF LOST CHILDREN by Jeunet & Caro
    THE GREEN BUTCHERS by Anders Tomas Jensen
    EVERYBODY'S FINE by Giuseppe Tornatore
    DYING OF LAUGHTER by Alex de la Iglesia
    SOYLENT GREEN by Richard Fleischer
    LOGAN'S RUN by Michael Anderson
    ...every last single episode of THE PRISONER
    BY BYE BRAZIL by Carlos Diegues
    THE CITY by David Riker
    BUS 174 by Jose Padilha
    2LDK by Yukihiko Tsutsumi
    SUICIDE CLUB by Sion Sono
    SID & NANCY by Alex Cox
    VISITOR Q by Takashi Miike
    SWEET SWEETBACK'S BAADASSSSS SONG by Melvin van Peebles

    And anything by Pedro Almodovar, it's his special tea!
    The Quay Brothers and Jan Svankmajer just live there & pay rent!!

    On a more recent vibe & quasi-trendy, but still:
    28 DAYS LATER by Danny Boyle (Big time!)
    VELVET GOLDMINE by Todd Haynes
    PARTY MONSTER by Fenton Bailey & Randy Barbato
    24 HOUR PARTY PEOPLE by Michael Winterbottom
    EDWARD SCISSORHANDS by Tim Burton
    THE VILLAGE by M. Night Shyamalan

    Honorable mentions:
    THE ISLAND, GATTACA, BLADE RUNNER..
    ..ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK, THE WARRIORS
    -
    Feel free to disagree with any of those above; not emotionally attached.
    -
    Now I'm all pumped up to watch a flick after all this..
    ..I think TETSUO: THE IRON MAN by Greg Nickson
    (Haven't see it yet, but the story seems to be along these lines too..)
    P'corn's ready, but dang, I am so excited that I need to have a smoke!

    Thanks to all of you for making this lively thread start poppin'!`';o)
    -
    Big up-thumb-scratch to these already mentioned:
    π (Pi) by Darren Aronofsky (was my immediate thought!)
    WINGS OF DESIRE by Wim Wenders
    (My favorite dialogues ever is the ending, just amazing.)
    I LOVE YOU ALICE B. TOKLAS by Hy Averback
    (For my peronal Peter Sellers vote.. wink! :)
    STALKER by Andre Tarkovsky (Freakin' whoah!)
    JULIET OF ThE SPIRITS by Fellini (Just.. just, omgawrsh!)
    ..and hot dams to: DONNIE DARKO by Richard Kelly
    CITY OF GOD by Fernando Meirelles (Total mindblower, I fell in love.)
    THE BICYCLE THIEF by Vittorio de Sica
    Plus a big *baby, baby, baby..* to LA JETEE by Chris Marker!!
    ..oh yeah, and DARK CITY by Alex Proyas

    Toodles. :)

    Cesar

    p/s Yes I am a film-a-holic and a muse/music-haul-ic too!
    There... I feel better, admitting it to all of you.. group hug?

    ..larf.

    ..now I'll be quiet, excuse me eating up your bandwidth, please.
    Cheers.
    • Testuo, wrong director..

      Wed, December 13, 2006 - 3:36 AM
      Shinya Tsukamoto and totally Chez Peril.

      C

      Also, sory for doubling up on City of Lost Childern..
      ..still wondering about Delicatessen, hmm, dunno.

      Anyone think so?
  • Unsu...
     
    So many good flicks on the list... so I'm just gonna add one that I didn't see listed yet...

    Richard Elfman's Forbidden Zone.
    • Here's a few more goodies:

      The Last Wave - Director Peter Weir's last Aussie made film before he hit the big time in the US&A with Witness. Subtle Magick

      O Lucky Man - A dream actor Malcolm McDowell had and brought to director Lindsay Anderson. My personal connection to this tale is that I was at that time wandering through my own CP with a similar theme as portrayed in the film. I loves them syncronicities. Sometimes CP can be almost comical. Still only available on VHS

      Greaser's Palace - A very different gospel of Christ probably conceived ( and filmed) while on Peyote.

      The Lathe of Heaven - written by Ursula LeGuin. Dreams creating reality. Oh My!
  • A Scanner Darkly (now on DVD)
    • My Diner with Andre
      • Robert

        Will you explain a little bit your choice of "My Dinner with Andre" ? I know this film fairly well and am interested in your point of view here.

        thanks.

        -sherpa
        • To be honest I only saw the movie once (maybe 15 years ago) and I know their are fans of the movie out there. Maybe I missed the whole point of the movie? So I don't mean to offend. I really can only express my visceral impressions of it and how I felt while and after watching it. I just felt frustrated and exhausted after listening to that dialogue which went on and on and on! I don't remember it being "Platonic" either ... which I have seen before used well for deconstructing. It seemed to me a movie that worships the intellect and places it on a pedestal. I felt like I was put through a difficult maze only to find myself right back where I started. Have you ever had conversations like that? I often feel this way when I find myself in dinner table politics. It has a certain taste to it and I know when I'm tasting it and I just want to say stop! But I cant because I sense everyone is so deeply and personally involved in their opinions. It's unpleasant to be a part of. Have you had that impression ever? To me this is a room one can live in for a lifetime. I think it might even be one of the most pleasant rooms. Because it makes you feel important and capable. Until blows up. It's not called chapel perilous for nothing! And then you are suddenly alone running naked and lost and all your mental gymnastics and learning wont help you find that room ever again. Your shattered and afraid like humpty dumpty cowering in a corner. The movie reminds me of a state of mind I once knew and trusted.
          • Robert,

            Thank you for sharing your experience of "My Dinner with Andre". Rest assured, I doubt anyone here would be offended by whatever you might say about the film. The film is a movie and people's experiences watching movies are usually pretty subjective to them; what we see, feel and hear is often what our individual minds allow us to see, feel and hear.

            With that said, I understand your experience was that of two highly opinionated people talking at each other while worshipping at the altars of their own intellects. My experience was half that. I saw the Wallace Shawn character (the bald one) as the one stuck in his head, unable to grasp the wild stories unfurled by the Andre Gregory character who seemed, to me, the more intuitive and fluid of the two. Between them both, as intellect and as intuition, it seemed to me an entire mind was engaged in a rabid inquiry of self-confrontation.

            What I got was that the intuitive Andre Gregory spoke directly from his experience, whereas the Wallace Shawn character spoke from the abstract mental strata of his justification-seeking intellect. It was for me nothing short of a revelatory to witness these very different minds attempting to reach each other while sharing a fine dinner together in a upscale restaurant.

            I admit a strong bias towards the intuitive character if only because the basis of his stories and experiences were rooted in the time he actually shared with paratheatre director Jerzy Grotowski, a longterm inspiration for me and my work, and a seminal figure in 20th century theatre.

            It may be worth watching it again if only to see how differently you might experience the film 15 years later and also as a kind of watermark for the rise of your own expanding consciousness. For eveybody else, I highly recommend the film. To me it not only showed how people get stuck in their heads but also how they find their way out *with their intellects intact*, a formidable achievement in my book.

            Thanks, again, Robert for posting your great commentary.
  • first post here.
    i've got a movie called "cinema paradiso", both versions, theres a cut version and the full uncut (as the director wanted it but italian censoring at the time..). one of my favourite movies without a doubt. can't recommend it highly enough.
    one a few people i know swear is the best thing they've seen is a french movie called "the beat that my heart skipped".
    tho i'm an atheist pier paolo's "the gospel of st matthew" is another one to look into. it's really heavy, not in the mel gibson fashion, but the atmosphere in it could crush.

    *this bit in dr strangelove never ceases to be funny. it's the bit where the russian in the bowler hat is trying to stop laughing at peter sellers smashing his arm.
    www.youtube.com/watch
    • Mouse Heaven, by Kenneth Anger:
      www.youtube.com/watch
      • why does "Event Horizon"....leave a nasty residue in my memory?...Is it because its another failed Hollywood attempt at "something" or is it just warped? I don't know the difference any more.

        Obviously I'm not a movie person...Hollywood ruined the experience for me....seen too many "waste of times" due to WAY overblown hype. Almost everything Ive seen out of my local theater ...how do you say.....Sucked! and Im talking about 95%!...I guess I have to drive to the city to get the real stuff.
        • that's what Netflix is for
          • hollywood as we know today as i see it is a imperialist dreaming factory of mythological repression and conscious subversion and is a disease on the face of planet...

            luckily all continents and lands of our great earth are now increasingly home to cinematic creation of high artistic merit and real worth, so the stories of our people may be continued to be told in greater complexity and beauty and thus we have a wonderous bounty to enjoy if we are willing to cut the wheat from the chaff, the gold from the bullshit - so long as we dare to think for ourselves
            • a pretty amazing new world of artistic expression opens up when you look outside of the mainstream. i'm a convert to it anyway.

              *i should have mentioned none of those movies i mentioned except dr strangelove ^^^ are in english, you'd have to check it has english subtitles if you don't speak french and italian.

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