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I strongly recommend any and all of these films for their high artistic merit, provocative moods and startling reflections of what seems to me like the same journey in and out of Chapel Perilous.
JACOB'S LADDER by Adriane Lyne
THE DOUBLE LIFE OF VERONIQUE by Krzysztof Kieslowski
THE PASSENGER by Michelangelo Antonioni
CATCH-22 by Mike Nichols
JULIET OF THE SPIRITS by Frederico Fellini
SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT by Wojciech Has
BLADE RUNNER (director's cut) by Ridley Scott
BLUE VELVET by David Lynch
EL TOPO by Alejandro Jodorowsky
APOCALYPSE NOW REDUX by Francis Ford Coppola
HEART OF GLASS by Werner Herzog
THE ELEMENT OF CRIME by Lars Von Trier
JACOB'S LADDER by Adriane Lyne
THE DOUBLE LIFE OF VERONIQUE by Krzysztof Kieslowski
THE PASSENGER by Michelangelo Antonioni
CATCH-22 by Mike Nichols
JULIET OF THE SPIRITS by Frederico Fellini
SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT by Wojciech Has
BLADE RUNNER (director's cut) by Ridley Scott
BLUE VELVET by David Lynch
EL TOPO by Alejandro Jodorowsky
APOCALYPSE NOW REDUX by Francis Ford Coppola
HEART OF GLASS by Werner Herzog
THE ELEMENT OF CRIME by Lars Von Trier
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 8:31 PMFight Club
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Sun, December 10, 2006 - 8:31 PMDark City -
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Sun, December 10, 2006 - 9:26 PMmemento -
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Sun, December 10, 2006 - 9:28 PMBoxing Helena
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Sun, December 10, 2006 - 9:31 PMInteresting that "Jacobs Ladder" is the first one listed. Whenever I try to explain what it was like during my "dark night of the soul", I often recommend that very film as being representative of the horror in which I found myself. Also, that film suggests a way through the chapel: stop fighting, stop holding on, and let go. The chiropracter's paraphrase of my favorite Rhineland mystic is a brilliant summary of the fruitlessness of trying to fight one's way out of the chapel and how one must relinquish the false sense of control while accepting the chaos of thesituation.
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Sun, December 10, 2006 - 9:56 PMHow about Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me?
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 1:42 AMOk, I am still in the dark about this. But get it a little.
I totally jibe with Jacobs Ladder, El Topo, Fight Club, Dark City and Memento.
I would add Whos Afraid of Virginia Woolf, American Beauty and The Magus,
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 2:25 AMThe Tenant? -
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 9:43 AMVideodrome
Brazil
Zardoz
Candy
Blue HA (guess which?)
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 10:22 AMWow this is great. Certain experiences -- and I'd count Chapel perilous amongst these -- are almost impossible to describe but cinema is a universal language. I have seen all the films everyone has posted and I would agree that each and every one of them, to various degrees, reflects what I have been attempting to describe and present as the focus of this tribe. Well done.
Chapel Perilous represents a jouney into a place. Sometimes it's a Hero's Journey but sometimes it's tragic. Some people return from Chapel Perilous and some don't; many remain there until their dying daze. I, for one, come and go and use the place as a means to stimulate my creativity. This process is not a comfortable one and not a practice I can recommend to everybody, either, as it comes with a cost (as all powers and talents do). It's just my own personal relationship with the place.
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 12:29 PMWings of Desire
City of God
Ashes of Time
Nabi the Butterfly
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 12:57 PMtsotsi
red sorgum
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Sat, December 16, 2006 - 9:28 AMman with the X -ray eyes -
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Sat, December 16, 2006 - 9:32 AMor some call it X
a world renowned scientist experimenting with human eyesight. He devises a drug, that when applied to the eyes, enables the user to see beyond the normal realm of our sight (ultraviolet rays etc.) Xavier tests this drug on himself, when his funding is cut off. As he continues to test the drug on himself, Xavier begins to see, not only through walls and clothes, but through the very fabric of reality.
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 10:21 AMThe film The Trial based off of Kafka's book. -
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 9:10 AMAlso the Dune miniseries...in terms of the the perils divination created for the characters
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 9:16 AMDonnie Darko!!!!!!
and i wanna second Mysterious Skin. great flick.
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 5:32 PMHedwig and the Angry Inch
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 6:25 PMI realize that not everybody will agree with me on this but after reading Sherpa's essay on "Chapel Perlious", a film doesn't necessarily have to have a certain look and feel but mainly express the person's state of mind within the Chapel, as presented through the characters.
So without further ado I present my next film with regard to the Chapel Perilous experience:
SLC Punk
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC_Punk%21
(Discussion of Anarchism and "SLC Punk" >>> tiger.towson.edu/~apeak1/w...chism.html )
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 6:30 PMO Brother Where Art Thou
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 9:33 PMAngel Heart -
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 9:55 PMIs anybody getting the sense or feeling that Chapel Perilous is actually a very common experience that has simply remained, for the most part, unarticulated and thus overlooked ?
"Distinguish yourself or be extinguished."
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 10:25 PMyes
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distinguish yourself
to vanquish extinguishment
escape possible
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extinguish yourself
relinquished distinguishment
imprisoned inside
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yeah
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 11:46 AMI would also say THE TRIAL, as well as CITY OF LOST CHILDREN.
What an interesting thread!
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 11:55 AMpink floyd: the wall
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 12:01 PMJACOB'S LADDER one of my faves,
Dream a Little Dream...2 characters dependant on each other to get out, and dependant after they get out, so I doubt they have actually left.?
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 12:37 PMAltered States. Can't help it. This movie and Jacob's Ladder are two of my favorites. And Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me. -
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 1:29 PMAll movies with -Peter Sellers -
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 3:51 PMmonty python's holy grail
tarkovsky's nostalgia
kurosawa's dreams
and matrix...
and the rebel with tony hancock...
and walkabout
and space oddysey
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 4:47 PMoh, yeah! kurosawa!
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Sat, December 16, 2006 - 4:33 PMOh yes, Tarkovsky. My favourite filmmaker. Everything I've seen by him feels like chapel perilous.
Great thread and great tribe, btw. I just came across you all from reading Alderic's profile.
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 4:52 PM>>>EL TOPO by Alejandro Jodorowsky
Did you know that he also makes comic books?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incal
Would have loved to see his version of "Dune" with production design by HR Giger and Salvador Dali as the Padishaw Emperor....
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 4:57 PMForgot to add one...
"PI" -- Darren Aronofsky
www.imdb.com/title/tt0138704/
"The Fountain" might be one as well...
www.imdb.com/title/tt0414993/
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 5:12 PMI think Darren Aronofsky is either one of the high priests of Chapel Perilous or else he's piped into some Perilous Vision Cortex where he extracts material for his films. Tarkovsky's 'Nostalgia' and 'Stalker', also, definitely get my votes. -
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 5:27 PM>>> I think Darren Aronofsky is either one of the high priests of Chapel Perilous or else he's piped into some Perilous Vision Cortex where he extracts material for his films.
Why do you think I like him? ^_~
That reminds me, I saw Tarkovsky's (original) version of Solaris....fell asleep on that like I did "2001". So of course I didn't see the whole movie.
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 5:29 PMBrian
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 5:57 PMSome lesser known films :
"Tarnation" - a documentary by Jonathon Caouette
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 6:09 PMMalevolent,
I'd recommend all of Araki's "Teenage Apocalypse" trilogy:
"The Doom Generation" >>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...Generation
"Totally Fucked Up!" >>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totally_Fucked_Up
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 6:11 PMI'll check those out.....thanks.
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Mon, December 11, 2006 - 5:59 PM"The Sacrifice"....got it.
Looks like I'll have to rent that one from online as there aren't any "good" video store in Phoenix...
You might want to take a look at this one.....
"The Glorious Like of Sachiko Hanai"
fest06.sffs.org/films/film_details.php
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 8:24 PMThe Game.
Jacob's Ladder I totally second (third, fourth?) for the reasons G.I. gives.
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 8:42 PMChristopher Marker's "La Jetee" -
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 12:37 AMok I have a couple more.
The Magus
Naked Lunch
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 6:44 AMJ.D.
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 8:29 AMLOL! it's a family film....
how about 'fear and loathing in las vegas'?
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 11:12 AMWizard of Oz
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Tue, December 12, 2006 - 12:53 PMI'm pleased to see that someone has already mentioned PINK FLOYD THE WALL. I think it's one of the greatest of Chapel Perilous films.
Back in the early 1980s, the original album version of THE WALL provided my first introduction to the concept of Chapel Perilous. In fact, that album is such an eloquent document of Chapel Perilous that my response to many of the lessons I've learned about Chapel Perilous in the past quarter-century has been, "Ah, yes, just like that bit in THE WALL..."
Roger Waters knows Chapel Perilous extraordinarily well, and most of his best work is about it - not only THE WALL, but also WISH YOU WERE HERE, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, the first side of THE FINAL CUT, and THE PROS AND CONS OF HITCHHIKING.
Oh, but wait - we were talking about movies, not music...
A few good ones that I haven't seen mentioned yet:
THE FISHER KING (Gilliam)
THE CONVERSATION (Coppola)
IKIRU (Kurosawa)
And of course one of the greatest Chapel Perilous films of all time is also one of the greatest martial arts films: Kihachi Okamoto's brilliantly bleak epic SWORD OF DOOM. Few actors do the "trapped in Chapel Perilous" look as perfectly as Tatsuya Nakadai does it.
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 5:11 PMBarton Fink
Ground Hog Day
Spirited Away
PI (another vote for this one)
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Wed, December 13, 2006 - 2:10 AMYes, Antero, I do believe you correct in surmising the Chapel's ubiquitous pearly presence of Peril, us. This is really strange, either my collect/view has gravitated towards this slant, or it is very very common for certain "artsy" genres..
PARTNER by Bernardo Bertolucci
PERSONA by Ingmar Bergman
BEAUTY & THE BEAST by Jean Cocteau
WEEKEND by Jean-Luc Godard
MY NAME IS IVAN by Andrei Tarkovsky
EARTH by Oleksandr Dovshenko
FANDO Y LIS & HOLY MOUNTAIN by Alejandro Jodorowsky
THE COLOR OF POMEGRANATES by Sergei Paradjanov
LIQUID SKY by Slava Tsukerman
SATYRICON by Federico Fellini
GOYA IN BORDEAUX by Carlos Saura
SEX AND LUCIA by Julio Medem
TESIS & OPEN YOUR EYES by Alejandro Amenabar
(wow) THE SEA INSIDE by Alejandro Amenabar
CITY OF LOST CHILDREN by Jeunet & Caro
THE GREEN BUTCHERS by Anders Tomas Jensen
EVERYBODY'S FINE by Giuseppe Tornatore
DYING OF LAUGHTER by Alex de la Iglesia
SOYLENT GREEN by Richard Fleischer
LOGAN'S RUN by Michael Anderson
...every last single episode of THE PRISONER
BY BYE BRAZIL by Carlos Diegues
THE CITY by David Riker
BUS 174 by Jose Padilha
2LDK by Yukihiko Tsutsumi
SUICIDE CLUB by Sion Sono
SID & NANCY by Alex Cox
VISITOR Q by Takashi Miike
SWEET SWEETBACK'S BAADASSSSS SONG by Melvin van Peebles
And anything by Pedro Almodovar, it's his special tea!
The Quay Brothers and Jan Svankmajer just live there & pay rent!!
On a more recent vibe & quasi-trendy, but still:
28 DAYS LATER by Danny Boyle (Big time!)
VELVET GOLDMINE by Todd Haynes
PARTY MONSTER by Fenton Bailey & Randy Barbato
24 HOUR PARTY PEOPLE by Michael Winterbottom
EDWARD SCISSORHANDS by Tim Burton
THE VILLAGE by M. Night Shyamalan
Honorable mentions:
THE ISLAND, GATTACA, BLADE RUNNER..
..ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK, THE WARRIORS
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Feel free to disagree with any of those above; not emotionally attached.
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Now I'm all pumped up to watch a flick after all this..
..I think TETSUO: THE IRON MAN by Greg Nickson
(Haven't see it yet, but the story seems to be along these lines too..)
P'corn's ready, but dang, I am so excited that I need to have a smoke!
Thanks to all of you for making this lively thread start poppin'!`';o)
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Big up-thumb-scratch to these already mentioned:
π (Pi) by Darren Aronofsky (was my immediate thought!)
WINGS OF DESIRE by Wim Wenders
(My favorite dialogues ever is the ending, just amazing.)
I LOVE YOU ALICE B. TOKLAS by Hy Averback
(For my peronal Peter Sellers vote.. wink! :)
STALKER by Andre Tarkovsky (Freakin' whoah!)
JULIET OF ThE SPIRITS by Fellini (Just.. just, omgawrsh!)
..and hot dams to: DONNIE DARKO by Richard Kelly
CITY OF GOD by Fernando Meirelles (Total mindblower, I fell in love.)
THE BICYCLE THIEF by Vittorio de Sica
Plus a big *baby, baby, baby..* to LA JETEE by Chris Marker!!
..oh yeah, and DARK CITY by Alex Proyas
Toodles. :)
Cesar
p/s Yes I am a film-a-holic and a muse/music-haul-ic too!
There... I feel better, admitting it to all of you.. group hug?
..larf.
..now I'll be quiet, excuse me eating up your bandwidth, please.
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Testuo, wrong director..
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 3:36 AMShinya Tsukamoto and totally Chez Peril.
C
Also, sory for doubling up on City of Lost Childern..
..still wondering about Delicatessen, hmm, dunno.
Anyone think so?
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Wed, December 13, 2006 - 7:09 AMYes! Wake up, wake up, don't go back to sleep.
And I just saw City of God last night. Mamma mia...
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Wed, December 13, 2006 - 9:56 AMSo many good flicks on the list... so I'm just gonna add one that I didn't see listed yet...
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Sat, December 16, 2006 - 12:13 AMHere's a few more goodies:
The Last Wave - Director Peter Weir's last Aussie made film before he hit the big time in the US&A with Witness. Subtle Magick
O Lucky Man - A dream actor Malcolm McDowell had and brought to director Lindsay Anderson. My personal connection to this tale is that I was at that time wandering through my own CP with a similar theme as portrayed in the film. I loves them syncronicities. Sometimes CP can be almost comical. Still only available on VHS
Greaser's Palace - A very different gospel of Christ probably conceived ( and filmed) while on Peyote.
The Lathe of Heaven - written by Ursula LeGuin. Dreams creating reality. Oh My!
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Sat, December 16, 2006 - 12:47 AMTHE LAST WAVE
O LUCKY MAN
great examples.
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Sat, December 16, 2006 - 2:27 AMDark Side of Oz
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Sat, December 16, 2006 - 9:38 AMI have seen and resonate with all films listed here. When I think about it, it seems like I've been in and out of Chapel Perilous most of my life (but mostly in). That can't be a good thing, right?
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Sat, December 16, 2006 - 4:43 PM2046
www.imdb.com/title/tt0212712/
not totally sure if it applies, but why not. Has anyone else seen it - want to comment?
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Sun, December 17, 2006 - 7:49 PM2046:
i thought it was boring. even the highly touted beauty of the movie felt contrived to me. fwiw. -
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Mon, December 18, 2006 - 8:10 AMI agree, it was contrived and boring. In the Mood for Love was much more compelling.
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Mon, December 18, 2006 - 8:25 AMAkira Kurosawa-Dersu Uzala
I'm an avid ultra light hiker the wilderness survival scenes are awesome.
Stripes (Bill Murray stars)
Shane (George Stevens)-I've watched it more than a hundred times, a seminal western there is a little bit of universal truth in it.
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Wed, December 20, 2006 - 7:43 PMLynch - most are beyond the norm idea-wise (he could channel the weirdest ideas, with the heaviest feels)
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Wed, December 20, 2006 - 10:19 PM28 days later
eraser head
naked lunch
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Wed, December 20, 2006 - 11:41 PMMy Diner with Andre
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Thu, December 21, 2006 - 12:56 AMRobert
Will you explain a little bit your choice of "My Dinner with Andre" ? I know this film fairly well and am interested in your point of view here.
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Thu, December 21, 2006 - 10:31 PMTo be honest I only saw the movie once (maybe 15 years ago) and I know their are fans of the movie out there. Maybe I missed the whole point of the movie? So I don't mean to offend. I really can only express my visceral impressions of it and how I felt while and after watching it. I just felt frustrated and exhausted after listening to that dialogue which went on and on and on! I don't remember it being "Platonic" either ... which I have seen before used well for deconstructing. It seemed to me a movie that worships the intellect and places it on a pedestal. I felt like I was put through a difficult maze only to find myself right back where I started. Have you ever had conversations like that? I often feel this way when I find myself in dinner table politics. It has a certain taste to it and I know when I'm tasting it and I just want to say stop! But I cant because I sense everyone is so deeply and personally involved in their opinions. It's unpleasant to be a part of. Have you had that impression ever? To me this is a room one can live in for a lifetime. I think it might even be one of the most pleasant rooms. Because it makes you feel important and capable. Until blows up. It's not called chapel perilous for nothing! And then you are suddenly alone running naked and lost and all your mental gymnastics and learning wont help you find that room ever again. Your shattered and afraid like humpty dumpty cowering in a corner. The movie reminds me of a state of mind I once knew and trusted. -
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Sat, December 23, 2006 - 12:57 PMRobert,
Thank you for sharing your experience of "My Dinner with Andre". Rest assured, I doubt anyone here would be offended by whatever you might say about the film. The film is a movie and people's experiences watching movies are usually pretty subjective to them; what we see, feel and hear is often what our individual minds allow us to see, feel and hear.
With that said, I understand your experience was that of two highly opinionated people talking at each other while worshipping at the altars of their own intellects. My experience was half that. I saw the Wallace Shawn character (the bald one) as the one stuck in his head, unable to grasp the wild stories unfurled by the Andre Gregory character who seemed, to me, the more intuitive and fluid of the two. Between them both, as intellect and as intuition, it seemed to me an entire mind was engaged in a rabid inquiry of self-confrontation.
What I got was that the intuitive Andre Gregory spoke directly from his experience, whereas the Wallace Shawn character spoke from the abstract mental strata of his justification-seeking intellect. It was for me nothing short of a revelatory to witness these very different minds attempting to reach each other while sharing a fine dinner together in a upscale restaurant.
I admit a strong bias towards the intuitive character if only because the basis of his stories and experiences were rooted in the time he actually shared with paratheatre director Jerzy Grotowski, a longterm inspiration for me and my work, and a seminal figure in 20th century theatre.
It may be worth watching it again if only to see how differently you might experience the film 15 years later and also as a kind of watermark for the rise of your own expanding consciousness. For eveybody else, I highly recommend the film. To me it not only showed how people get stuck in their heads but also how they find their way out *with their intellects intact*, a formidable achievement in my book.
Thanks, again, Robert for posting your great commentary.
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 9:01 PMwhew! i just saw a scanner darkly.
now i have to watch little miss sunshine before i start thinking i have bugs or lose my sense of self entirely!
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Sat, December 23, 2006 - 12:20 PMYes, Blue Velvet, most amazing film ever -
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Wed, December 27, 2006 - 1:14 PMBLUE VELVET (David Lynch, 1986)
Just saw this film for about the fifth time (one of my faves) and was reminded how Chapelesque Kyle MacLachlan's journey must have been; this is a must see film for anyone who missed it and wants to experience the razor's edge between horror and hilarity.
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Sat, April 7, 2007 - 11:40 AMWhenever i hear the Beatles' All you need is love! i always think of No. 6's escape.
The last two episodes = my lord
Patrick McGoohan is the man
and for films:
8 1/2 -- Fellini
Holy Mountain -- Jodorowsky
Ghost in the Shell I + II
Neon Genesis
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Wed, December 27, 2006 - 2:33 PMjust cuz i haven't seen it mentioned and just watched it again the other night:
eyes wide shut - kubrick
and oh yeah
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Thu, December 28, 2006 - 4:55 PMPCU
love all-ways,
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Fri, December 29, 2006 - 7:27 AMthis is a great thread! we're always looking for new avenues to explore the mind, films that are sobering and psychedelic simultaneously--
we watched "a scanner darkly" last night, very waking life, a little close to home in regards to the many friends or fiends still hopelessly addicted to meth and the others...
more recommendations:
Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man
Roman Polanski's The Ninth Gate
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Sat, December 30, 2006 - 12:07 PMAnother great example :
"Grey Gardens" by Albert and David Malsles.
A documentary about Edith " Edie " Bouvier Beale and her daughter, same name...aunt and first cousin of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis who for years lived together in a 28 room dilapidated mansion in East Hampton along with several cats and raccoons. They lived in squalor and almost total isolation from the world despite once being considered American aristocrats. -
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Sat, December 30, 2006 - 2:13 PMholly shit I saw that on PBS a few weeks ago...I was captivated...that was plain weird! A house of dreams! Did you think there was anything cute about thier relationship? -
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Sat, December 30, 2006 - 4:06 PMI also found it captivating...it's actually a cult film that many people have known about for a while.
I heard about it a long time ago but was afraid to watch it.
It's a very poignant film - I recommend it to those who haven't seen it.
There is a new dvd with outakes from the film that just came out this past fall.
I have not seen it yet. It's called " The Beales of Grey Gardens"
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Sat, December 30, 2006 - 10:49 PM"cult film for a long time"
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Sat, January 6, 2007 - 9:41 PMChildren of Men.....go see it it is quite good...it's just out now ...I usually hate the theater movies like Hollywood I always seem disappointed but ripped off ...this movie was worth the $10.00 in my opinion. It's playing now at theaters if you have nothing to do go check it out. -
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 12:20 AMI just saw Zardoz this past weekend ~ sooooo Chapel Perilous!
I don't know how I missed that one before now!
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 2:12 AMI like si fi so I will have to rent that one -
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 8:12 AMApocalypse Now
V for Vendetta - especially Evie reading Valerie's story
I believe it was in "Apocalypse Now" when one of the best lines in cinematic history was uttered "free your mind and your ass will follow". ;-)
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 11:00 PMJust saw PAN'S LABYRINTH by Guillermo Del Toro -- a "fairy tale for adults," it is a dark tale taking place somewhere in Spain, 1944, during WWII. Much of the film takes place in imagination of an 11 year old girl, but it is a film that is NOT for children and not for the feint of heart. There is some gruesome imagery and dark content, but the impact is unmistakeably profound and seems suggestive of only a small crack through which "escape" from chapel perilous can be achieved -- if but momentarily. -
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 8:38 PMnuther one........
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 2:54 AMSomeone already listed 'all Peter Sellers films' so they get credit...
but I gotta give a special shout-out to The Magic Christian! Written by Terry Southern (Barbarella, Dr Strangelove, Easy Rider, etc)
When the Millionare Sellers, after adopting homeless Ringo Starr as his heir, fires off all his stuffy corporate managers and kicks them off the train in the English countryside holding maps to Dresden, Afghanistan, the Congo, etc, and they start following the maps...!!
And the finale~ WHat Peter and Ringo make people swim in to grab money while that Beatles song "If you want it, here it is, come and get it..."
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 12:05 PMI just rented out Jacob's Ladder, Tarkovsky's Solaris and Lynch's Inland Empire, realising now after watching them that they are all very specific explorations of aspects of the chapel perilous experience.. whoah ! -
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 12:07 PMi would discount Holy Mountain but include El Topo, by the way.
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 12:14 PMre: Inland Empire, i cannot believe film could possibly portray such a sinister ride through the chapel
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 6:58 PMSTALKER by Tarkovsky
LESSONS OF DARKNESS by Herzog
HOUR OF THE WOLF by Bergman
EUROPA (aka ZENTROPA) by von Trier
INLAND EMPIRE by Lynch
JULIEN DONKEY-BOY by Korine
TIDELAND by Gilliam
SYNECDOCHE NY by Kaufman
ORPHEUS by Cocteau
JULIET OF THE SPIRITS by Fellini
THREE CROWNS OF THE SAILOR by Ruiz
THE HOUR-GLASS SANATORIUM by Wojciech Has
NORTHFORK by The Polish brothers
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Re: Films That Look and Feel Like Chapel Perilous to Me
Thu, March 26, 2009 - 1:33 PMfirst post here.
i've got a movie called "cinema paradiso", both versions, theres a cut version and the full uncut (as the director wanted it but italian censoring at the time..). one of my favourite movies without a doubt. can't recommend it highly enough.
one a few people i know swear is the best thing they've seen is a french movie called "the beat that my heart skipped".
tho i'm an atheist pier paolo's "the gospel of st matthew" is another one to look into. it's really heavy, not in the mel gibson fashion, but the atmosphere in it could crush.
*this bit in dr strangelove never ceases to be funny. it's the bit where the russian in the bowler hat is trying to stop laughing at peter sellers smashing his arm.
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Fri, March 27, 2009 - 11:59 AMMouse Heaven, by Kenneth Anger:
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Sat, March 28, 2009 - 3:06 PMwhy does "Event Horizon"....leave a nasty residue in my memory?...Is it because its another failed Hollywood attempt at "something" or is it just warped? I don't know the difference any more.
Obviously I'm not a movie person...Hollywood ruined the experience for me....seen too many "waste of times" due to WAY overblown hype. Almost everything Ive seen out of my local theater ...how do you say.....Sucked! and Im talking about 95%!...I guess I have to drive to the city to get the real stuff. -
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Sat, March 28, 2009 - 6:00 PMthat's what Netflix is for -
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Sun, March 29, 2009 - 3:43 AMhollywood as we know today as i see it is a imperialist dreaming factory of mythological repression and conscious subversion and is a disease on the face of planet...
luckily all continents and lands of our great earth are now increasingly home to cinematic creation of high artistic merit and real worth, so the stories of our people may be continued to be told in greater complexity and beauty and thus we have a wonderous bounty to enjoy if we are willing to cut the wheat from the chaff, the gold from the bullshit - so long as we dare to think for ourselves -
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Sun, March 29, 2009 - 9:20 AMa pretty amazing new world of artistic expression opens up when you look outside of the mainstream. i'm a convert to it anyway.
*i should have mentioned none of those movies i mentioned except dr strangelove ^^^ are in english, you'd have to check it has english subtitles if you don't speak french and italian.
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