vertical connection and marijuana

topic posted Wed, July 22, 2009 - 4:54 AM by  bloodstone
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'As we lose touch with our vertical sources, we lose perspective. Our lives become trivialized in a tangle of meaningless pursuits. We do things without knowing why. We lose track of what is essential to our nature, what matters and what doesn’t. All symptoms of power loss. In an attempt to regain lost ground, we try and assert external control by imposing rigid rules and structures over the spontaneous fluidity of life -- our own and others’ -- resulting in a vain and vicious cycle.'
www.paratheatrical.com/orientation.html

Would you say that this loss of verical connection is another way of saying one has lost connection with the 5th circuit and thus become entangled in chapel perilous, at least that is what it seems to me.

To me it also seems that marijuana can SEEMINGLY miraculously reconnect me with verticality and inspiration and optimism, yet the price for this could be neglect of issues pertaining to the lower circuits.

I'm not sure whether to regard marijuana as a helpful tool, or not, bearing in mind that I live in an area where the natural radon levels from granite are very high, which increases the risk of lung cancer.

I was wondering if anyone can relate to this, or suggest some alternative strategies for regaining vertical connection. Pranayama for instance, also I was attuned to Reiki sometime ago, although I believe the hour long daily 'selftreat' is very benificial, I tend to avoid doing it, with the excuse that I don't have time, as if there is some kind of self-destructive inclination within me that I find hard to pinpoint or release.

Any advice?
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bloodstone
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  • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

    Wed, July 22, 2009 - 5:19 PM
    Since I wrote that article it's obvious that paratheatre is my yoga for maintaining vertical connection. However, I cannot recommend it to everybody. This is a very demanding medium requring tremendous commitment, a stable and well-supported life, good physical health and fitness. I stopped smoking pot many years ago when it stopped being creative for me. While I did smoke pot, I was very inspired by it until it diminished my motivation and my attention span and then, I moved onto more reliable ways of getting high (like certain meditations and also, paratheatre).

    That the idea and experience of verticality appeals to you is pretty amazing, as many people do not relate with it at all. The important thing is remembering its context to the horizontal realms of your social life and the world at large. Most people are more or less locked into the horizontal realm and lose touch with their vertical sources. But you can also get lost in the vertical domains if they become overemphasized and you spin out into Chapel Perilous (where you ended up posting on its online forum).
  • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

    Thu, July 23, 2009 - 8:16 PM
    yet the price for this could be neglect of issues pertaining to the lower circuits. >>>

    sceduling is the key
    • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

      Thu, July 23, 2009 - 11:59 PM
      access...?
      • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

        Mon, July 27, 2009 - 6:58 AM
        In this context the way I see it Circuit 5 represents the sort of body-mind yoking and its subsequent effects of somatic rapture that mark the beginning of significant vertical contact towards the journey of 'creating a soul' from the interface of spirit and body, head and gut, essence and personality. The basis of the entire process is in this yoking (C5), which if anchored in meeting survival needs (C1) then leads to the maturing and actualizing of autonomy (C6), if anchored by enough self-responsibility (C2). The journey then goes with cultivating enough attention and receptivity (C3) to be able to anchor being influenced and shaped by the currents and forces of the genetic code and its geometric, harmonic unfolding (C7), so that one may begin harmonizing to horizontal forces enough to integrate and crystallize the whole of one's personality (C4), so as to become a creative expression of that deepest vertical pool (hah!) that we call the void and that we experience as the true origins of our Essence (C8).

        The question is, is what we call Chapel Perilous just the consequences of core disconnect as the result of novelty, the mundane or shock - or is it actually the nature of (to quote Reich) homo normalis and the schizms of the 'emotional plague'.

        For me this has always been the question - when I feel disconnected and go through a process of 'retrieving a part of my soul' and then feel like i'm back to normal again, is it that I am returning back to a level of connection I had lived and enjoyed months or years previous - or is it the case that I had simply always been that way - part of the fragmented mess of Great Nature - and an increase of Vertical absorbtion had caused me to suddenly become aware of the state of my slumber and paralysis and thus feel the terror of not being whole, and then feel naturally drawn towards yearning a greater sense of connection. Have we ever been awake; are the memories of something greater and higher and deeper in ourselves merely memories, or are they they glimpses of something from the future - the whisper of the Source leading us on?

        Such speculation without commitment, focus and a sense of devotion can more often than not wind one back in the Chapel again. woot !


        Since I started smoking pot since I was 13 and since a lot (but certainly not all) of my early vertical experiences were unlocked with this miraculous herb, it has taken me a long time to find a way to access those parts of my brain without it. And the work goes on. One teacher I have here said to me, a few years ago upon peering into my being, in broken english, 'you don't need pot! You're on a divine trip !'. Reflecting back on it and wondering why he had said that even though I had not smoked for 6 months at the time, I took it that he was still seeing, clairvoyantly or what not, that there was some part of me that still relied on cannabis for a sense of vertical connection - that I was unconsciously or not, locked into a cycle of Deifying the Herb.

        Every now and then, to be metaphorical here, I have C5-C6-C7 like openings where I find aspects of 'the Cannabis spirit' still clouding and hanging over the gateways of my perception (or doors, rather). This only takes focusing, breathing, and releasing - to clear it out and, in essence, 'reclaim my brain' from its dependance on THC.

        My early experiences with Cannabis were simply moments when I was Listening and Feeling whilst High - new vistas would open up, sounds were more textural, colours were richer - the feelings were as deep and ancient as the universe itself. These days I get the same thing from just Sitting, Listening and Feeling. Little by little, my self-aware nervous system is becoming the key to changing my mind, and simple meditative practices in resonance with the flow of daily life are becoming the keys to regaining perspective, feeling engagement and the rememberance of self that is the hallmark of what is called vertical access.

        You are the herb ! haha
        • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

          Mon, July 27, 2009 - 7:17 AM
          Chapel Perilous could also be one of the progressive consequences of core REconnection. Our usual condition can be seen as not very connected to what really is core. There is a state that I believe is called Nirvikalpa Samadhi, or objectless awareness. Kind of like aware sleep. We know we have "slept well" when we've not dreamed or been awake, but just rested in bliss without objects, without identifying with objects (even a body), without any separation. In waking life, such a state can be quite terrifying. Using pot tends to send one in the direction of objectlessness (or at least towards subtler objects). It seems to me that navigating the unnavigatable Chapel Perilous is like trying desperately to identify with objects (due to fear, habit, whatever) when the actuality is more objectless, more connective with little if any separation.
          • The Stained Glass Windows of Chapel Perilous

            Mon, July 27, 2009 - 3:12 PM
            I like Marpa's vision of Chapel Perilous as -- in the way I understand it -- a kind of intermediary or marginal state, where one is not yet connected with Kore yet evidently disconnected from whatever life or habits kept one from Kore-connection. Free-floating and adrift, the 'bardo' metaphor emerges for me (again). Like looking up at the Chapel's stained glass windows from inside, we cannot see the outside world but stand entranced by the pattern-rich colors of its design.
          • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

            Tue, July 28, 2009 - 1:13 AM
            re - 'Using pot tends to send one in the direction of objectlessness (or at least towards subtler objects).'

            I do think that pot emphasises a desire to almost de-materialise oneself altogether, in order to merge into somekind of sublime state of emptiness. Symptoms being a lack of desire for what's physical, engaging in the mudane world seems like a chore. There's an attraction to the more subtle world of thought and fantasy.
            I'm seeing that the answer is in bringing the mind back into the body, for me the reiki exercise is an opportunity to relax deeply into the body, paying attention to it and getting some interest or enthusiasm back for the physical - and I think that this manifests as healing in the body and in one's life in general.
            I am aware of the minds trick of wanting to think and talk about exercises rather than actually doing them, but at the same time I think that understanding the territory of chapel perilous helps one notice the escape routes, and also I think that talking about something acts as an affirmation torwards it.
            • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

              Tue, July 28, 2009 - 3:12 AM
              I appreciate very much how Sherpa talks about this in the 8-Circuit Brain talk at Esozone - that smoking pot so effectively activates C5 somatic rapture that it can very easily space one out and lead to the neglect of basic C1 issues, leading to an 'escape' of mundane physical world issues and the space-cadet notion of the non-existence of time and space. Because we live in times of such mundane consensus reality, the urge to escape is usually something that has to be dealt with.

              For me this has almost always been a case of looking towards redefining and reclaiming the responsibility of those C1 issues for myself so that there is nothing to escape from, but rather the real self-work and life-journey of escaping into reality, See www.verticalpool.com/astro9.html for a description of 'wrestling with Saturn'

              To quote, "Without an outgoing assertion of pressure in your life (see natal Saturn), you are more likely to passively conform to external consensus pressures. Create your own pressures; with the force of your commitment, anything is possible. "

              I practiced Reiki for a while until I find that whilst in some cases it helps on a physical level, it does have quite an anti-physical bias. The trick is always knowing that as soon as you have located a mental or emotional issue within your physical body, if you bring attention to its physical sensation, the healing process has already begun.
            • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

              Tue, July 28, 2009 - 9:24 AM
              Free-floating and adrift, in the bardo of the Chapel... That has a beautiful, true ring to it.

              For me, the "danger" of the bardo of the Chapel (or of pot, of which I have consumed my fair share) is if we become entranced by their subtleties. It's not really much MORE of a danger than in outside-of-the-Chapel (or non-stoned) life, since we most often stay entranced altogether by the non-subtle objects we routinely believe into eXistenZ. It's just that the Chapel (like pot) seems to be a "better" alternative in comparison when really it's just the same dang thing, just a little more appealing and "sticky," as any bardo is, difficult to escape because of its apparent relative appeal.

              My idea is that the way "out" is by going deeper in and through, opening more and more to feel everything that is the case, including (and maybe even especially) the suffering involved. I keep being struck by the first noble truth of Buddhism: life is suffering. Why is that the first truth, and why is it noble?

              My interpretation is that it is both because this is a REQUIRED realization before any of us can effectively decide what to do about it. Being entranced by or numbed out to the suffering of life obviously doesn't open all that many circuits in the brain. But feeling such suffering deeply, we can then make our choice. Perhaps something like: "Oh, since life is indeed suffering, I'm going to act with compassion." Or: "Oh, since life is indeed suffering, it doesn't matter if I add more."

              I personally consider the former to be a wiser choice.
              • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

                Tue, July 28, 2009 - 9:32 AM
                “To love is to suffer. To avoid suffering, one must not love. But then, one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be happy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.”
                • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

                  Fri, July 31, 2009 - 11:46 PM
                  “To love is to suffer" - but also I think love is the antidote to suffering, there's something of the miraculous about it, I think compassion is pain that has been understood, it seems to boil down to a simple resonance, that I intuitivly feel I ought to be able to turn on at will, but I think it requires meditative practise and a bit of good luck.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    “To love is to suffer"

                    Sun, August 2, 2009 - 3:29 AM
                    "There was a story about the Zen master Suzuki Roshi. This was a situation where his students had been sitting and they were 3 or 4 hours into a very hard sitting period, a sesshin. The person who told the story said every bone in his body was hurting, his back, his ankles, his neck, his head, everything hurt. Not only that, his thoughts were totally obsessed with either "I can't do this, I'm worthless. There's something wrong with me. I'm not cut out to do this." It was vacillating between those thoughts and "This whole thing is ridiculous. Why did I ever come here? These people are crazy. This place is like boot camp." His mind and body were just aching. Probably everyone else in the room was going through something similar.

                    Suzuki Roshi came in to give the lecture for the day and he sat down. He started to talk very, very, very slowly and he said, "The difficulty that you are experiencing now..." And that man was thinking, "will go away."

                    And he said, "This difficulty will be with you for the rest of your life."

                    www.shambhala.org/teachers/...aitri1.php

                    So that's sort of Buddhist humor.
                    • Re: “To love is to suffer"

                      Sun, August 2, 2009 - 10:09 AM
                      >>And he said, "This difficulty will be with you for the rest of your life." <<

                      Thank you for posting this.

                      I'm usually a pretty open guy, trying my best to relax open even in the midst of whatever suffering I encounter in life. I intellectually know I can't rest on my laurels of having done this fiarly decently in the past, but I still get kicked in the butt when I need a good reawakening.

                      Take this morning, I was sitting on the crapper talking to my girlfriend on my brand-new, pimped-put iPhone, and I dropped the dang thing into the toilet. Don't ask how this came about.

                      For the next couple of hours (it only happened about 3 hours ago), I was in an insane killer rage, yelling at myself, the world, reality. Turns out there's not much you can do other than a few hacks like burying the device in cat litter for days or trying to disguise the water sensors so that maybe Apple will replace the phone for free. Water damage to the phone is basically out of warranty, and I'll probably have to buy a new one, and I have no other phone, no landline.

                      I took a walk to try and let off some steam, attempting to find a frelling pay phone so I could retrieve any voice messages I might have, but it turns out that pay phones don't seem to exist any more. Who knew?

                      Anyway, I am only now able to allow my anger to release. I can even start to see the humor of my situation.

                      But as for my supposed ability to practice with suffering? Forget it. I am a rank beginner. I'll probably be reincarnated as a cell phone circuit. As Suzuki Roshi said, the difficulty will be with me for the rest of my life. My job is to see how I deal with it moment to moment...
  • Re: vertical connection and marijuana

    Sun, October 11, 2009 - 3:42 AM
    Just wanted to thank you all for the helpful responses.

    Several months later I'm still a non smoker, to fill the gap that not smoking created I started practising yoga and never thought I'd get so much pleasure from the simple act of lifting my arms into the air and stretching my back, or from taking a proper full breathe. For me the interesting lesson has been appreciating how much the mind is affected by the state or vibration of the body and therefore find it easier to disregard the niggling negative thoughts that seem to arise when the body is tired or ill at ease.

    Also it is nice to feel I am honouring my body and lungs rather than potentially damaging them.

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