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Found this brief article online, and thought it might spur some interesting dialogue here. Or at least that's my hope:
"Start at the beginning. Lately, my thoughts have been on art-forms that confront us with our cultural “dark side.” I’m not talking Star Wars, but instead the dark side of the moon, which is never revealed to us unless if we ourselves go there. As Neitzsche rightfully recognized, this is not a safe exploration, you can’t do it entirely from behind a windshield, the “abysses we look into also look back into us.”"
www.alterati.com/blog/
"Start at the beginning. Lately, my thoughts have been on art-forms that confront us with our cultural “dark side.” I’m not talking Star Wars, but instead the dark side of the moon, which is never revealed to us unless if we ourselves go there. As Neitzsche rightfully recognized, this is not a safe exploration, you can’t do it entirely from behind a windshield, the “abysses we look into also look back into us.”"
www.alterati.com/blog/
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 3:47 PMThanks for this post; I, too, hope it sparks eal dialogue.
For me the issues of "dark culture" and "shadow" run secondary to context. Specifically, the contexts of two types of destruction at work: destructive destruction and creative destruction. The former destroys for the sake of corruption and further destruction of whatever supports vitality, soul and life., ie., destruction in the name of Destruction. The latter destroys only that which destroys vitality, soul and life, ie., destruction in the name of Creation.
Beyond my vigilance to many types of destructive desttruction, my own interests are firmly rooted in aesthetic and pragmatic forms of creative destruction. As a filmmaker, astrologer and paratheatre worker, I am aligned with the forces of creative destruction of whatever corrupts or destroys the Poetic Imagination, the chief inlet for Soul in the Hypermedia era. These processes drive and inspire my active participation in the revolution of soul retrieval at the cultural and personal levels. Imagination death precedes death of soul.
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 3:50 PMI mean "real dialogue.", not eal dialogue. Too many eels in a barrel make for too much slippery slimy slithering souflees of eel sauce. -
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 4:17 PM<slippery slimy slithering souflees of eel sauce.>
electrified eel sauce!
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 4:27 PMveal dialogue...?
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 4:17 PMThank you Sherpa, for your comments. I will eventually get back to commenting on the article I posted, itself, but for now I'll stick with your comments, specifically, the dichotomy between destructive destruction and creative destruction. Having been familiar with your work for some time, now, I think I have a good sense of how you distinguish between the two. Yet, for the sake of preserving clear and unmuddled communication (for as long as that's even possible), I'd ask the question of How Does One Know the difference between destructive destruction and creative destruction. You've used terms such as vitality, soul, & life -- which may be amorphously defined, also depending on context. How does one know when vitality, soul, or life, etc. is being supported or destroyed? Could it be that life, itself, supports life (and its eventual destruction), with or without the hindrance or support from the outside? That is, life was here before we began meddling with it and it will continue long after we've stopped. How can we draw the distinction between, say, creative and destructive "meddling" as it were?
I hope that this doesn't seem too academic, but I post this in an effort to open up to correspondence here to those who, perhaps, aren't as savvy with poetic metaphor and may also have equally valid or at least practical comments on what I consider to be a significant subject.
Re: combating that which corrupts the Poetic Imagination, I find that this is a topic of grave concern. I'm reminded of Werner Herzog talking about the value of cinema in a culture that has lost its access to adequate images upon which to reflect. Within a culture saturated in visual media, the power of the image loses its its capacity to instigate transformation, inspire, or even instill emotion. It becomes drained of its potency, so to speak. My response to this has been to, personally, cultivate imagination through use of a daily practice (I'll share it here if people are interested), which may be likened, in some degree, to lucid dreaming. (As an aside, during the course of my studies, I've done quite a bit of research on imagination, concerning the work of scholars such as Jung, Emmanuel Swedenborg, & Henri Corbin, among others, who refer to imagination as a faculty that can be strengthened with practice, or atrophied with the lack of practice. Alas, my school has prevented me from continuing this line of research until after I've graduated.).
The questions, however, still remain, for me, as to what specifically serves to support the corruption of soul, life, vitality -- and what serves to destroy it? How do you know and in what way(s)? -
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 5:17 PMre: "How Does One Know the difference between destructive destruction and creative destruction."
Because the terms "vitality, life and soul" refer to such subjective, amorphous and ineffable properties that are simultaneously also very real and palpable to many of us, they can only be truly measured and evaluated by the instrument examining and experiencing them: the individual Central Nervous System.
My paratheatre work (which remains obtuse to anyone who has not actually done it themselves) concerns itself with the longterm processes of restoring the natural sensitvity of the CNS, its capacities for direct experience and spontaneous response. Through this fine-tuning of the CNS I have learned to discern the difference between destructive destruction and creative destruction, especially where my own CNS disposition finds it most necessary and practical. I am not out to change the world with any one-size-fits-all pantyhose messianic vision; I'm more about exploring integrity and autonomy within the individual.
Any awareness of "what is killing me" or "what is draining my power" or "diminishing my will, imagination and love" reflects an experience of the forces of destructive destruction. Any person who smokes a daily pack of cigarettes for decades knows the force of destructive destruction firsthand in their bodies, lungs and health. Any awareness of "what brings me to life" or "what is empowering me" or "augmenting my will, imagination and love" reflects an experience of the forces of creative destruction of whatever was corrupting those qualities in the first place.
How can we tell the difference between destructive destruction and creative destruction? Intuition. Firsthand experience of what is being destroyed. Intellect. The discerning intelligence for determining the context of the destruction.
Intuition acts as a kind of radar for picking up living signals from the environment and within oneself and the intellect interprets these signals. if the intellect is too dominant or bossy, it will force the intuition into a secondary status. If the intellect is wise, it will let intution run freely, follow its lead and interpret its incoming signals with an eye for intuitive truth. If intuition is repressed or latent or undeveloiped, the intellect will forever be seeking proof that this or that does or does not exist, or is legit or illegit or whatever.
I think these processes of direct experience and context discernment (or pattern recognition) applies to "dark culture" and 'the Shadow archetype in important ways, if only as a way of fine-tuning our BS-detectors. -
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 5:34 PMbut shirley...
isn't it more about conditions and situations...?
I mean like that bit in nostalgia with the candle...
but then again...
is the pornstar the creative or is it the unrequited romantic...?
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 5:41 PMShane MacGowan is the Frog Prince of Dark Culture who, when kissed on the lips by a bottle of rum, becomes a drunken frog prince of dark culture -
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 6:03 PM
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 9:58 PM<when kissed on the lips by a bottle of rum, >
So the rum destroys that which hinders creative destruction?
<a drunken frog prince of dark culture>
And it's a good thing frogs don't need teeth!
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 10:08 PMInteresting. After reflecting for a few moments, I recalled a book I have on my shelf, read it twice in the mid-90's, entitled "The Outsiders: Studies in the Sociology of Deviance" by Howard S. Becker. It's a bit dated (written in 1963). I'll have to pull that one off the shelf and give it another read.
I consider myself fortunate having grown into adulthood without a leather fetish or masochistic leanings (I experienced enough physical pain while in the service, I try to avoid physical pain whenever possible). No disrespect intended towards those of you who enjoy beating and/or tying each other up.
As to the content of the article, I concur wholeheartedly with Sherpa's comments on the two destructions. I had an interesting experience with Shiva about 1 1/2 years ago and came to realize/receive "Destruction, Destruction, Peace". Don't ask why the word Destruction is repeated, I've tried figuring that one out myself. Damn, it's getting late and I gotta get to bed. I'll finish this post tomorow. -
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Re: Dark Side of a Culture
Mon, February 11, 2008 - 6:04 PM
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A TIMELY QUESTION--YOU CAN ACT TODAY
Tue, February 12, 2008 - 2:31 PMi ABSTRACTED THE FOLLOWING FROM AN EMAIL I RECIEVED TODAY
An important vote is going to take place tomorrow, Wednesday, February 13.
The Senate will decide whether we stop the CIA's use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" -- or as we would call them, torture. Section 327 of the Intelligence Authorization Conference Report (H.R. 2082), would prohibit the CIA from using abusive interrogation techniques (such as waterboarding) by requiring the CIA to comply with the Army Field Manual while conducting interrogations. The Army Field Manual prohibits torture and cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment.
Please call your Senators now -- and urge them to support Section 327 of the Intelligence Authorization conference report. Call the Capitol switchboard at 202-224-3121 and ask to be connected to your Senators' offices. You can also go to the NRCAT website (www.tortureisamoralissue.org) and click on the link in the upper right red box. It will take you to a page that makes it easy to email your Senators.
This is the most important anti-torture legislation now before Congress with a real chance of passage. (The House has already passed this bill.) Every phone call counts.
Thank you for all that you do to end U.S.-sponsored torture.
Sincerely,
Linda Gustitus, NRCAT President
Richard Killmer, Executive Director
From Rabbis for Human Rights
The 2008 Intelligence Authorization Act is coming up for a vote in the Senate tomorrow! It is critical that our leaders hear from us now! They must be reminded that the Jewish community stands firmly against all forms of torture and so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. The CIA must be held to the standards of the Army Field Manual. Waterboarding must be acknowledged as a form of torture. Our government must honor the image of God in all people and stop torture now.
What is happening:
The bill, which has already passed in the House of Representatives, would prohibit a person in U.S. custody from being subject to interrogation methods that are not sanctioned by the Army Field Manual. This would prohibit the technique known as "waterboarding" or any so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques from being used. "Waterboarding" involves pouring water over the faces of subjects, who are bound and gagged with a piece of cloth, in order to simulate the feeling of drowning. The bill would pertain to any person in US custody, whether they were held by the US Military, a branch of the Intelligence services such as the CIA, or any "contractor or subcontractor at any tier of the element of the intelligence community." Senator Feinstein's amendment closes the loophole that allowed the CIA to use enhanced interrogation techniques.
The vote is TOMORROW. The voting is likely to be close to a Party-line vote with some Republicans like Chuck Hagel, who is a co-sponsor of the amendment, voting with the Democrats. It is important for your Senator to hear that you are opposed to the use of torture on detainees and to ask them to vote YES on the Conference Report of the Intelligence Authorization Bill.
What you can do:
Please call or fax your Senator's local or Washington Office. Ask to speak to the staffer in-charge of Intelligence matters. Find the telephone and/or fax numbers by going to the Senate website and look up your senator's homepage, or by calling the Senate switchboard (202) 224-3121. Please feel free to use the sample language below or craft language of your own.
We cannot allow the United States government, acting in our names, to use torture in the interrogation of detainees.
Sample Statement:
Please ask Senator_____ to (speaking to a staffer) (OR Dear Senator _____ ) Please vote YES to include section 347, the anti-torture provision, in the Conference Report of the 2008 Intelligence Authorization Act, Then vote to pass the entire bill. Section 347, the amendment introduced by Sen. Feinstein would prohibit so-called enhanced interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding. I am a member of K'vod Habriot: A Jewish Human Rights Network. As a person of faith I find it deplorable that my government actively engages in torture or other "enhanced interrogation techniques." The humanity of the victims, the perpetrators, and our entire American society is inevitably compromised by such conduct. As my representative in Washington, I urge you to take action to promote the human dignity of all-even U.S. detainees-and vote YES on the Conference Report of the 2008 Intelligence Authorization, complete with the Feinstein Amendment. Thank you for taking the time to listen to my views.
B'shalom,
Rabbi Brian Walt
Executive Director
Rachel Kahn-Troster
Associate Director of Education and Outreach
Rabbis for Human Rights North America
www.rhr-na.org
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Re: A TIMELY QUESTION--YOU CAN ACT TODAY
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 3:36 AM
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