Historical and mythical origins of Chapel Perilous

topic posted Wed, January 10, 2007 - 12:14 AM by  sherpa
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As we have come to discover on this tribe, so much of our modern cultural references and legacies are steeped in the Chapel Perilous mythos. The Chapel Perilous has its roots in the Arthurian legends which are also supported by a series of historical and mythological sources. For those interested in finding out more about the origins of Chapel Perilous, check out these links:

www.perillos.com/history.html

www.perillos.com/perillos_grail1.html
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sherpa
SF Bay Area
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  • this stuff is part of the rich twilight zone of france/europe...

    also the "coincidence" of being introduced to sherpa on tribe was synchronous with various connecting mythologies that led to discovering the cathar region (catharsis) of france in terms of it being a node of new age spirituality and alternative flakiness theories and personalities as I grew ever more alienated from the "normal" euroculture...

    in fact the timing very nearly took me to perillos on the 6th of the 6th 2006 in the 66 region of france but I got lazy and ended up at bugarach rather than perillos although originally I'd intended to take a video camera and organise an event or at least make a video that might of captured some occultists united for some kind of dragon ceremony... hahaha

    so basically as with most of my occult intuitions there is definitely some parallel reality at work but the dates and times come and go without anything remarkable happening to affirm the shadows or justify reality just a kind of uncomfortable awareness of incongruousness overlapping...

    so what is this perilous zone about...?

    www.arthurian-legend.com/le-mo...6d.php
    • www.sign69.com/medialounge/space905.html

      so rather than start a new thread I thought I'd try and add fuel to this one by entering the more contemporary historical zone...

      so 9/11 for me was a huge signifier with many fractal reverberations way too subtle and complex to get into without some threads of contextualising but suffice to say from the POV of orpheus@hell I hit into a euro occult zone that went so far as italy before getting cut back and then looking further afield via internet but in reality I was probably sent to the chapel of the swamp here to rot and be broken down by the vampire zombie vouivres...

      I am curious about the experience of others - how does the chapel relate to their end times is it like the restaurant at the end of the universe maybe...?

      timewave zero and apocalypse and 2012 and the sheer massive futility and inevitability of it - we can see it coming but we are frozen like bunnies in the headlights... hahaha

      is the chapel a kind of uncomfortable calm before all hell breaks loose...?

      anybody into playing at dungeons and dragons - guessing the near future...?

      my art project after 9/11 and then moving to the country here was kabala-karavan which means I had some notions of creating multimedia/installation/performance art as a kind chaos magic control centre but didn't get anywhere with the project before sinking into the mire... hmmm
      • The hornet's nest that is now Baghdad festers as a reminder of tragic human folly on too many levels for us to comprehend. It is as if the very fabric of Time has been ripped and torn asunde, where the eternal fountain of human blood now flows freely with no stopping the cosmic hemmoraging.. Baghdad and ancient Persia is for me the original Chapel Perilous; its demise also symbolizes the future demise of civilization.

        This may sound very extreme to some but to me it is how the human drama is playing out. Baghdad represents a powerful history and an even more powerful mystery than the Western mind can comprehend. Being of a Western mind, I do not even try. I do not even go there.
        • yeah I have a schizo thing going on as rootless tribeless mixed euro-asian in europe
          which means I got into an extra outsider delirium besides the euro trails of light and dark...

          everything that man does is done by man and there seems to be profound absurdity at work yet it is deliberate...

          total mechanistic behavioural absurdity with the internet purveying ubernoise...

          quite paradoxically despite zipping into mortality in terms of alienation and low ebbs in health and energy etc it has definitely been "as if the very fabric of Time has been ripped and torn asunder" with weird stuff going on just outside the field of vision...

          am I right in assuming then that chapel perilous is thus the "simple" question "what for?"...
          • re: "am I right in assuming then that chapel perilous is thus the "simple" question "what for?"..."

            In my view, yes, you are correct. Context is everything. Chapel Perilous serves a purpose. I suspect this differs for each person. What is that purpose for you ?
            • Re: Historical and mythical origins of Chapel Perilous

              Sat, February 17, 2007 - 10:28 AM
              I'd of preferred to have lived differently to have been less desperate and nihilistic in the face of isolation etc...

              the "what for" would be banal aspirations like love and friendship and socio-eco empowerment for creative living...

              at this juncture it seems like a bad joke and nothing seems possible which is why I am in the deadzone I guess...

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              • Unsu...
                 
                no telling what you just put in my brain with that one
                • so where is the chapel situated in astrological terms...?
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Historical and mythical origins of Chapel Perilous

                    Sun, February 25, 2007 - 11:06 AM
                    in the 13th house?
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                      Sun, February 25, 2007 - 11:12 AM
                      but wouldn't that be too recent an address for the chapel...?
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                        Sun, February 25, 2007 - 11:24 AM
                        the 666th house?
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                          Sun, February 25, 2007 - 11:27 AM
                          my house number is zero at the end of the lane with no name...

                          but I don't know what that would be in astrological terms...
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                            Sun, February 25, 2007 - 12:10 PM
                            from view as a professional astrologer and as one who frequents the Chapel for creative reasons, i don't see any one symbol that sufficiently captures the complexity of Chapel Perilous. I have certainly seen horoscopes that were more Chapel-like than others but that's because numerous elements, angles and placements were involved in certain harrowing ways.
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                              Sun, February 25, 2007 - 12:27 PM
                              I was thinking more of some zone of the cosmos or the dark side of the moon or something...

                              I am trying to locate the chapel so as to try and conceive of some escape strategy but the darkness seems to extend infinitely in any direction I give attention to...
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                                Sun, February 25, 2007 - 12:35 PM
                                think: event horizon of a black hole
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                                  Sun, February 25, 2007 - 12:58 PM
                                  Gurdjieff mentions "the terror of the situation".....was this what he was refering to ...Chapel Perilous?
                                  • yeah the inner abyss and the outer space... hahaha

                                    a wormhole almost implies like it might lead somewhere whereas my chapel experience seems more entropic and bogged down amid vampire zombies...

                                    I need a rescue squad or I'm done for... waaaaaaaaaaaah
                                    • we all seem to battle our images don't we...maybe because they don't correspond to reality?
                                      • astrologically, it feels Neptunian sometimes

                                        that foggy line between contrasting ..for lack of a better word..forces
                                        • well somehow it seems this is a terminal condition like all possible routes are blocked or like the weird room at the end of space oddysey...

                                          I mean I wouldn't choose to be in this predicament but everything else is meaningless as it only served to get me here or keep me here etc...

                                          what would a plausible situation outside the chapel resemble...?


                                          • re: "what would a plausible situation outside the chapel resemble...? "

                                            I think Bob Wilson said it best in his description (posted as the main description of this tribe):

                                            "Chapel Perilous, like the mysterious entity called "I", cannot be located in the time-space continuum: it is weightless, odorless, tasteless, and undetectable by ordinary instruments. Indeed like the Ego, once you're inside it there doesn't seem to be any way to ever get out, again, until you suddenly discover that it has been brought into existence by thought and does not exist outside of thought." - Robert Anton Wilson
                                            • so it is a limbo zone named from an episode in a grail quest story...?

                                              on my personal level it is tangled up with western european history/myth and goddess and hell stuff but even more complex because of my eurasian rootlessness and the internet...

                                              limbo should offer 2 ways out
                                              but it would be cool to choose
                                              the natural progressive route...

                                              who does the grail serve...?

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                                              • orpheus

                                                your dillemma seems to me, at root, a question of genetic identity. genetically i am almost 100% finnish. i was born there under finnish parents whose parents and grandparents were born there. my finnish roots go back at least four hundred years. and so, i can at any moment dial in to that genetic identity and see the world through those eyes.

                                                but as it turns out, that is not who i truly am.

                                                i am not genetically identified. if i were, my life would be very different. i would need all kinds of finnish speaking people around me and finnish food and culture to sustain me. though i respect the finnish culture and its people in many ways and am proud to be a "finn", it is impersonal genetic pride; not personal to me. identifying with any one culture leads to blind patriotism, national pride and genetic stupidity, perfect fodder for the politicians who need to control people for their aims. but not for me, thank you.

                                                so who is this sherpa who is not a finn but who is also a finn ? a spiritual queston. one that you may wish to ask of yourself. your words sometimes convey to me a rigid sense of cerrtitude about what's going on in the world. whether your views are correct or not doesn't really matter at the end of the day, does it ?

                                                i think what matters is whether you can live with yourself.

                                                your friend from the american west coast,

                                                sherpa


                                                • identity is part of the game of association...

                                                  not identifying "patriotically" is part of an ungrounded outsider perspective for me etc...

                                                  in terms of chapel perilous I am fascinated by how it appeared and how my own context of time and place had gotten weird on so many overlapping levels prior to it's appearance as perillos in catharland and then in tribe as a notion of a psychological condition...

                                                  I mean being depressed is one thing
                                                  but to have that depression
                                                  manifest mythology
                                                  is strange...

                                                  curiouser and curiouser...

                                                  medieval history and cybermind and the new age...

                                                  which is why I am keen to locate my self/chapel in order to try to find a way through...

                                                  I don't have any certainty about what is going on in the world
                                                  and in fact quite the opposite as I am ungrounded
                                                  the world appears as overlapping systems
                                                  that I can't quite connect with...

                                                  I am not very clear about what spirituality means but yes I do feel it kind of matters whether my views are "correct" but that is IMHO both a natural symptom of insecurity aswell as trying to tune into my personal vibration and staying alive etc...

                                                  so what is the finnish line...?

                                                  I mean in terms of chapel perilous...?

                                                  why is it such a significant part of a finnish american personality...?
                                                  • re; "why is it such a significant part of a finnish american personality...? "

                                                    personally i don't know that it is.

                                                    however, i can see something -- to what you suggest -- just from having to endure the extreme weather, seasonal shifts, midnight suns, etc. the ways in which days and weeks on end without sunlight can also impact the psyche in mysterious and tangible ways. maybe that explains that haunted, haunting look i see in the mirror, hehe

                                                    orpheus, your perspective seems pretty grounded to me. though it may not feel stable to you, your view seems firmed up inside an outsider vantage. looking in from the outside ? or looking out from the inside ? to me, the true outsiders are the true insiders. i think true insiders are also social anomolies, not merely misfits or oddballs, and rare in a society that has no work for them. if they are clever enough to create their own gigs and insider groups, they survive; if not, they perish.

                                                    no easy way out for these mutants.
                                                    • ah the north and the dramatic long shadows and silhouettes in front of 2D light and the alcoholic oblivion and the cold...

                                                      I am some weird fool that got dropped into the wrong movies and the wrong climate... hahaha

                                                      I guess my father was a celt so that kind of fits some of the mythological zones
                                                      even if I feel like the whole thing was just a ludicrous mistake...

                                                      the finnish and magyar are supposed to be a tribe apart aren't they...?





                                                      • RE: "the finnish and magyar are supposed to be a tribe apart aren't they...? "

                                                        so say some historians. i speak finnish and the language that comes closest to sounding like finnish to me is actually not hungarian but -- figure this one out -- native hawaiin.

                                                        there's also the story about how one tribe near mongolia, maybe closer to tuva, split into two; one migrated south and settled in greece, the other migrated northwest to finland. to this day the greek and finn national flags are the same, except reversed (blue cross against white background) and the capitol cities -- helsinki and athens -- are directly connected by the same longitude, around 23degrees East

                                                        and don't even get me started on the Number 23.

                                                        living in california is a unique experience in many ways. the land is only recently settled by europeans. some old-timer miner folk may dispute this but to me there's no real substantial traditonal culture here. this place is just not steeped in tradiiton. there is a growing trend towards hybridization of art, science, religon, economics and an openess to experimentation that i think is quite rare for any place in the world. i think this is why some people thrive here, whle others go stark raving mad.

                                                        without traditional myths to live by a lot of folks lose direction and sense of purpose. if you are open to the possibility of creating your own myths and finding kindred souls who might have enough guts to band with you, california might be your home.
                                                        • kali-fornia was my one brief visit to the states...

                                                          the geographic location is splendid and the weather was wonderful even though it was like this time of year...

                                                          SF would likely be one of the places I'd like to live if I were wired better and could pick and choose that stuff especially as I am older now and a t-total nonsmoking quasi veggie... hahaha

                                                          back then I loved the greasy special fried noodles at a chinese lunch place where obese police ate across from the town hall...

                                                          there was a great dim sum place in LA too...

                                                          jeez I miss urbane munchies...

                                                          I didn't get to explore but I did pick up what I felt was like provincial vibes and clique tendencies and when I asked about cheaper zones with the idea of maybe trying to live out there it was kind of like shocking how taboo that stuff was as if most of america is totally an imminent crime scene to be avoided... hahaha

                                                          but yeah I think I'd dig some west coast niches if I were lucky enough to get out there and find some co-creative conspirators...

                                                          I'm not optimistic personally or globally but maybe the darkness will start to clear...
    • I have been reading a book by Joseph Chilton Pearce, Spiritual Initiation and the Breakthrough of Consciousness. One description reminded of these tlaes of the empty chair and the worthy knight.

      "with a spiritual genius there is the brass to "embezzle God's talents" ( as Northrop Frye put it), to plunge into an area of mind and experience considered sacrosanct, forbidden, or critically dangerous (perhaps for good reason), and the capacity to wrest from that realm the highest prize and bring that back as a boon to all who dare accept the gift. The genius of a particular art or profession seems called on to risk his professional life or image, but the spiritual genius risks his very life and structure of mind/brain. Just as a mathematical genius breaks into a realm where he interprets his reality mathematically and sees things in a unique way, sothe spiritual genius breaks into a realm that encompasses the total capacity of mind/brain and creation. He can then range the whole continuum of experience. This is called "self-realization" because that continuum is found within the human mind/ brain and (reportedly) is recognized as one's own, actual being, or Self. (The Australian Aborigines's Dream-time incorporated some aspects of this capacity, which is obviously as old as mankind itself.)

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