Cheap hurdy gurdies?

topic posted Thu, October 25, 2007 - 11:14 PM by  Calvaleigh
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Okay--I know that this is very unlikely, but does anyone know a way to obtain a "cheap" hurdy gurdy (one that plays would be nice, naturally.) Any information or advice would be great! Cheers!
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Calvaleigh
SF Bay Area
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  • LJ
    LJ
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    Re: Cheap hurdy gurdies?

    Fri, October 26, 2007 - 6:36 AM
    Behold the cheap hurdy gurdy: susato.com/susatohurdygurdies.html

    What they do not tell you: the flywheel, tangents, rosettes and other trim bits are made of PVC (if you look really hard, you will see the vague term "precision molded" in there, to give you that clue) and it's strung with classical guitar strings.

    As I recall, the "instructions" that come with it consist of one measly sheet of paper that you will probably lose or throw away in disgust quite early on. Don't bother emailing the curmudgeon that made it with questions. He will email you back most snottily to ask why you bought an instrument you don't know how to play. Get a real book or find some gurdy players to help you figure out what to do.

    Its range is modest: works fine for the medieval music I tend to play on it, but you will not be able to keep up in a French session, for example. I don't know what sort of music you want to play, so I can't say whether this gurdy will suit you.

    I have one. It's frustrated and delighted me - duh, it's a hurdy gurdy - and mostly got the job done.
    • Re: Cheap hurdy gurdies?

      Fri, October 26, 2007 - 7:47 AM
      Ah thank you--I'd looked at that website before, and e-mailed a question or two to the guy--the "curmudgeonly" part of that would explain the lack of response so far!
      However..they are quite a bit cheaper than anything else I've had a look at--I've not had much experience with these things before--do you think they'd be good for beginners?
      • LJ
        LJ
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        Re: Cheap hurdy gurdies?

        Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:18 PM
        Let me preface my answer by saying that (a) I do not know what other musical background you have and (b) whether you were the kind of kid that liked disassembling alarm clocks and putting them back together again.

        Compared to more elaborate instruments, this one is "simple." Instead of friction pegs (which either slip or jam depending on temperature and humidity), it uses mechanical guitar tuners. It has only three strings - two drones and one chanter or melody string. It has some synthetic parts, which allow it to be a little more forgiving of temperature and humidity than an all wood gurdy - though it will still require frequent adjustment and some playing-in. The tangents ARE tunable, being little PVC fooseball flippers that slot into the key pegs. The range is only about an octave and a half, diatonic.

        Mine drove me crazy for a very long time - until I got angry enough at the nasty email from the manufacturer about not knowing what I was doing. (Dude, if you're going to build an entry-level instrument, suck up and deal with the fact that you're going to get entry level buyers, ok?)
        I went to the Guitar Center, bought the cheapest classical guitar strings they had, restrung the sunufabitch and got balanced tone out of it for the first time since I'd bought it after about forty minutes of shimming and recottoning the new strings.

        It's tempermental - it's a gurdy. But it's taught me a lot and given me good service for several years. If my budget ever allows, I would love to trade up, but it's gotten the job done.

        I also confess that I like the portability of the symphonie style gurdy. The case is compact enough to go on a plane as carry-on, and the instrument itself weighs 8 pounds.
        • LJ
          LJ
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          Re: Cheap hurdy gurdies?

          Fri, October 26, 2007 - 3:23 PM
          Oh, almost forgot! If you decide that you don't like the plastic rosettes it comes with, Music Maker sells laser cut wooden rosettes that will fit the soundholes. I recently lost one while busking in San Francisco, so I made the investment in four new ones, pried the others out and glued the unstained rosettes in - they look almost like bone or old ivory in contrast to the cherry body and I liked how it looked.

          www.musikit.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

          They also sell kits to build gurdies and other instruments. I am very pleased with a little hognosed psaltery I built from one of their kits and I know a gentleman who built a gurdy based on their plans, but he's a woodworking demigod. Given the complexity of a gurdy, I think you probably REALLY need to know what you're doing to get a good result.
          • Re: Cheap hurdy gurdies?

            Sat, October 27, 2007 - 9:08 AM
            Wow--thanks! That was a good amount of good information! I've got a lot of other musical background, so understand music reading and instruments and such--just not hurdy gurdies very well (hence why I'm asking!) I'm certainly considering buying one of those Susato things that I've been hearing so many complaints about because I think it might be worth learning on a really hard instrument to deal with (kind of like a really icky stick-shift--you learn on it and then are able to drive cars better for it later...I hope this applies...?) Also, this particular brand is all I can afford at the moment, so I suppose that if I'm planning on learning it right now, it might be my only option! Thanks for sharing all the information--the bit about the soundholes as well--wicked!
            • LJ
              LJ
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              Re: Cheap hurdy gurdies?

              Sat, October 27, 2007 - 9:14 AM
              It might also frustrate you so much you swear off hurdy gurdies forever....

              Or not.
              • Cid
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                Re: Cheap hurdy gurdies?

                Sun, October 28, 2007 - 8:08 AM
                LJ wrote: "It might also frustrate you so much you swear off hurdy gurdies forever.... "

                That was my point exactly... I don't know about the Susatos... I have a set of three whistles from them, but am not overly impressed with the tone... They work well enough, but seem to be missing something most of our wooden whistles have... It's not just that they're plastic, though... I have a Glenn Shultz Thin Weasel and it's one of my favorites...

                Anyway, the Musikit hurdy gurdy I found on ebay seems well enough constructed of real wood, but the family can't hardly bear to be home as I strangle a cat just to get it to eat cotton... Sometimes, I do manage to get two or three of the strings to almost work but that's like a carrot on a stick... Always almost attainable, but not quite...

                I think it's probably more me than the instrument, but I don't know because it was an inexpensive hurdy gurdy. I keep occassionally trying to tweak it but I wonder if or when I'll give up... Hmmm... As the frustration mounts, I also start to wonder if there's a market for cheap hurdy gurdies...

                JUST KIDDING! I'm not quite ready to give up on it yet, but sheesh... I thought all you folks had a sense of humor... after all, you play hurdy gurdies!

                :)
  • Re: Cheap hurdy gurdies?

    Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:34 PM
    I've heard Susato instruments, and wasn't impressed. They've sounded thin yet harsh in my opinion. So if you just want something that is technically a hg, go for it, but if you want an instrument that will motivate you to keep playing, I'd advise you to save for something better.

    It's hard now that the dollar is so weak, I know. These American-made hgs:
    www.hurdygurdy.com/
    have a good reputation.

    Balazs Nagy, in Hungary:
    www.musicart.hu/balazs/index_en.htm
    makes great instruments. They at least used to be a bargain when the dollar was strong, but I don't know about now.
    .

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