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I'm thinking of getting a fancy new super-duper hg, and I'm deciding what features it needs. What are people's opinions of the various tangent options? My current hg has the traditional friction tangents, which are generally pretty good, but they do slip occasionally. Also, I sometimes like to tune my hg with quarter-tones to play Middle Eastern music, and this puts the tangents at an extreme angle, which seems to make them more likely to slip further.
Then there are the tangents that tighten with screws, which seem more stable. What are people's opinions of these? Any drawbacks, besides the obvious one that you can't take a screwdriver on a plane?
Then there are these metal tangents by Weichselbaumer:
weichselbaumer.cc/images/canto02.jpg
which can be adjusted in two dimensions, and which take up very little length in the keybox, so you could fit more strings into the hg without increasing the wheel size. Sounds like a great idea to me, but does anyone here have practical experience with them? They seem to be sheathed in some sort of black plastic or something. Does that wear out, and is it replaceable?
I play my hg about 4 hours a day almost every day, so I tend to wear out parts. My wooden tangents get grooves in them from hitting the strings so often, so I have to replace them occasionally. I think that harder tangents might wear the strings out faster, though, and that isn't good either. I'm guessing that tangents should be made of some material that's no harder than wood, and should be replaceable, or, for example, those plastic sheaths on Weichselbaumer's tangents should be replaceable. Also, I'm considering a pretty low-pitched hg, with heavy, wire-wound gut strings, and I imagine that the wire is tougher on tangents, and might also be more fragile. Does anyone have experience with wire-wrapped melody strings?
By the way, if any luthiers want to send their hgs to me for destructive testing, I'm available at reasonable rates.
Then there are the tangents that tighten with screws, which seem more stable. What are people's opinions of these? Any drawbacks, besides the obvious one that you can't take a screwdriver on a plane?
Then there are these metal tangents by Weichselbaumer:
weichselbaumer.cc/images/canto02.jpg
which can be adjusted in two dimensions, and which take up very little length in the keybox, so you could fit more strings into the hg without increasing the wheel size. Sounds like a great idea to me, but does anyone here have practical experience with them? They seem to be sheathed in some sort of black plastic or something. Does that wear out, and is it replaceable?
I play my hg about 4 hours a day almost every day, so I tend to wear out parts. My wooden tangents get grooves in them from hitting the strings so often, so I have to replace them occasionally. I think that harder tangents might wear the strings out faster, though, and that isn't good either. I'm guessing that tangents should be made of some material that's no harder than wood, and should be replaceable, or, for example, those plastic sheaths on Weichselbaumer's tangents should be replaceable. Also, I'm considering a pretty low-pitched hg, with heavy, wire-wound gut strings, and I imagine that the wire is tougher on tangents, and might also be more fragile. Does anyone have experience with wire-wrapped melody strings?
By the way, if any luthiers want to send their hgs to me for destructive testing, I'm available at reasonable rates.
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Re: Alternative tangents
Fri, July 28, 2006 - 5:00 AMAs the person who works with you the most and your HG...
Being able to change keys is probably the most important thing... Playing everything in the same key makes it all sound alot alike.
Also.. (though probably not possible) is some sort of dynamic... going from quiet to loud....
The quater tone would be cool... but you usually don't need this on the fly very quickly (mid song) but it would be nice if you could quickly toss it into a quater tone..
Of course... now i'm playing QT's mid song now as I get better....
-Carmine
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Re: Alternative tangents
Sun, November 19, 2006 - 8:17 AMThe black plastic coverage you mention is thermoretractile plastic cable. It´s available in every electricity shop, and it´s very practical. You can virtually cover any surface with it, and it fits perfectly because it retracts when it´s warmed with a simple lighter.
I have a Weichselbaume myself, and the system of mechanical tangents is virtually the best one possible. Gotschy of Seidler also use it. They are eternal in terms of durability, they are not affected by changes of temperature or humidity, the black thermoretractile cover can be easyly replaced it necessary, and you can adaptate the scale to any possible temperament.
You can actually cover any wooden tangent or any HG piece like capos or even the strings when they lay on the bridge with the thermoretractile cable, and many luthiers do. It´s a very good idea.
Xurxo Romaní
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Re: Alternative tangents
Thu, November 30, 2006 - 4:50 AMI played wooden tangents on a Reichmann-hg and metal tangents on a Simons-hg for several months and I prefer the metal tangents. The sound is smoother and they don't slip. The plastic coverage on my tangents doesn't seem to be thermoretractile plastic but rather some kind of thin hose or something, it's thicker than usual retractile plastic. But "your mileage may vary" and if you want to play old music you might prefer an old intrument. Wooden tangents aren't bad, they're just original. (I hope my english is understandable ;-) -
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Re: Alternative tangents
Fri, December 1, 2006 - 1:06 PMAndreas, your English is a lot better than that of some other people in this tribe who are supposedly native speakers.
Thanks for your information on tangents. The consensus seems to be that the metal ones are more functional than the wood. As I play both traditional and modern music, maybe I should have an intsrument of each type. -
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Re: Alternative tangents
Sat, January 13, 2007 - 7:35 PMHi Melissa,
Long time havn't been here :-)
Just few little ideas from my own experience:
My hurdy-gurdy has been made by probably one of two living hurdy-gurdy builders in Poland. Mr Wyzychowski built very nice instrument with all wooden tangents movable fixed to a key base with a small metal screw. That makes tuning or retuning extremally easy and tangents stays in positions even for hard and long playing time (unless you forget to screw it down ;-) ....also he implemented very good invention of using special textile rubber at the back of a box which runs through grooves on the back of keys and acts as a gentle spring and put keys back to original positions - that allows to keep HG on your lap in horizontal position and must say is much more convenient.
My own invention was to put a sticky-textile tape (flesh colour sports/medical tape) on the tip of each tangent what protect tangents and soften the sound of steel strings (I'm using high quality viola strings for my chanters)... Recently I also added a trumpette made by Mr Wyzchowski's apprentice :-)
You can find my videos on:
youtube.com/results
and it will show you all my movies - msot of them HG-related :-)) please free to comment as I'd greatly appreciate profHG plpayer comment :-)
cheers
Peter
www.pmnmusic.com
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Re: Alternative tangents
Sat, January 13, 2007 - 7:38 PMsweet Jesus! so many spelling mistakes! excuse me - I was in rush ;-)
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