I've got loads of brilliant product ideas but am not sure what steps stand between brainstorming and manufacturing a product. Mostly they are products that I can't make myself -- that would require some manufacturing. Having done a little research, I feel like I need to seek out some professional guidance (like a product development firm?) -- but can I go to a firm with just an idea? And how do I know my idea is protected with them? Is it necessary to patent a product before connecting with a firm like this? Is it necessary to have prototypes of products manufactured before patenting?
Anyone know of a good product development firm in the Bay Area?
I have seen an online "patentcafe" for the technology industry, 2xfr.patentcafe.com/how_to_use.asp, which seems like one interesting way to go about licensing an already developed product. Is there a similar online thing for the design industry?
Please let me know of good local resources....
Anyone know of a good product development firm in the Bay Area?
I have seen an online "patentcafe" for the technology industry, 2xfr.patentcafe.com/how_to_use.asp, which seems like one interesting way to go about licensing an already developed product. Is there a similar online thing for the design industry?
Please let me know of good local resources....
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Sun, November 12, 2006 - 12:38 PMI'm no expert, but I have got my name on a few patents.
I wish I lived a bit closer to you (I'm in the UK) as I'm sure I could help you to develop your ideas as I'm a seasoned tinkerer, and my 'day job' is often the building of prototypes to try out new ideas.
I'm pretty sure that you don't need a prototype in order to patent something, merely a pretty convincing description of how you would make it. In fact, some of the patents you see don't even have that, merely showing a black box labelled "software" which will somehow solve all problems.
It's an ambition of mine (or more realistically a fantasy) to branch out on my own somehow with a business that invents things, but it probably won't happen. One worry is that there seems to be an awful lot of existing over-broad patents out there which could prevent you from making money from a brilliant idea. And if you successfully patent your invention can you afford to defend it?
To me the easy bit is the development of prototypes, and the hard bit is the legal and financial stuff.
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Sun, November 26, 2006 - 12:33 PMThere is a company that was started by an inventer for this purpose it's called davidson inventegration. google it and they will send you a contract. -
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Sat, March 3, 2007 - 11:56 PMThe thing about Davidson is that they will give you all the resources you need to completely screw yourself. They are not a disreputable company, but you have to have a real idea of the worth and marketability of your patent going in. If your invention is for some new kitchen gadget, for example, you can go to them, pay them the $685 for the initial examination and then move forward in the process. But their process involves a second step where they help build a prototype and packaging. This step, depending on your invention, can cost many thousands of dollars. After that they will present the invention to companies that work with them.
The problem is that so many inventors get "gold fever". They are convinced that if they can just push on a little farther they will make millions. This is simply not the case. Only 1 in 200 patented inventions actually make money beyond the investment put into them. This is why, with some 50,000 inventions submitted to Davidson, only 8 in the last 3 years have actually turned a profit. It is not because Davidson is doing anything wrong, it is just that the inventors will keep pouring money in until they are bankrupt chasing the dream of becoming independantly wealthy.
If you have something, honestly evaluate what it is worth. If it is a million dollar patent, ABANDON IT. It will take more than that much to develop and market it. If it is truly revolutionary, if it is not likely to be obsoleted in 1 or 2 years, and it will sell in volume, then BEGIN to consider putting money into it.
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Fri, December 1, 2006 - 5:30 AMYour issues may be more involved than just patenting. First of all is the issue of whether or not it is patentable. Many very useful products are not patentable but can still be very lucrative for the makers. But even if it is patentable it must be marketable.
When you say "product development firms" I think you are being a bit naive. There are groups out there that will help you get a patent, but they just charge you money whether or not the idea is "marketable" or not.
I suggest that first you learn a little more about patents just so you don't get hoodwinked by a large number of very unethical lawyers and non-lawyers in the field. You need to know more about the subject. Next I think you should think long and hard about how to market it. I know of a number of companies that sell "proprietary" products that are not patentable but would cost people more money to steal the secrets than to just pay for the service.
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Tue, January 9, 2007 - 9:30 AMMoreover, the quality of the patents obtained by these unscrupulous groups are usually dubious. If the scope of the claims is so narrow that you can't keep competitors at bay, your patent is useless. Yet these groups will narrow the claim scope for the sole purpose of obtaining a patent for you and raising their kill rate. Go with a decent patent attorney, and separately market your idea. Maybe file a provisional patent application to start off with (a bit cheaper than a full utility appln), which gives you a year to try to develop the idea and a business around it.
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Sat, January 13, 2007 - 10:15 PMGet a patent.
You can license an idea to a firm, but they will generally want you to own the IP on it; therefore, you need a patent.
You can get away with skipping the patent process through a non-disclosure agreement, provided you have a very good inventor's notebook put together, due to the fact that, in the US, the rights go to the first to invent, not the first to patent, but that is a risky course.
I got the Nolo book "Patent it Yourself" and did most of the patent writing myself, but I had the claims written up by a lawyer to make sure I was protected. The lawyer did it for $3500 in total, including filing fees, which is pretty cheap for the protection they provide.
Once the patent is filed, you have mostly the same protections you will have when it actually issues and you can then approach companies with your idea and negotiate a licensing agreement.
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Thu, February 1, 2007 - 2:32 AM"You can license an idea to a firm, but they will generally want you to own the IP on it; therefore, you need a patent."
Yes, I've seen how venture capitalists will refuse to look at an idea if it isn't patented (admittedly only by watching a UK TV programme called "Dragons' Den").
But as an engineer who has had a couple of things patented through my job, I am far from convinced that a patent is worth very much. If I search through patents databases I find many seemingly identical inventions. Clearly each one must have some slightly unique twist which sets it apart from the others, otherwise it couldn't have been patented, right? Sometimes, though, I can see no noticeable difference at all so it strikes me that the first patent must have been virtually useless because so many people have been able to get round it - and maybe it was the original patent that told them exactly how to do it.
However, as soon as a venture capitalist sees that an invention is patented he's prepared to invest thousands in the project, as though the patent is some sort of official standard of originality and viability.
My experience of patenting something deeply technical through my job (for a large corporation) was that the patent attorneys didn't understand what the invention was, and asked me to write the main text for the patent, which they then re-worded in legal-ese jargon. I don't believe that anyone sat down and tried to work out how best to prevent other people getting around the patent, or whether the invention was actually worth patenting.
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Wed, February 7, 2007 - 12:26 AMAye...That's the rub!
If you hire an attorney, you need to be able to write the patent yourself and then walk them through the construction of the claims.
Additionally, as you I am sure are painfully aware, if you patent something while working for a firm, you might be able to squeeze a bonus out of your company, but you will not see much in the way of royalties.
As to patents being virtually identical, you are correct. The patent is an initial foothold placing a solid marker to your rights, but it does not guarantee the strength or validity of the patent. However, if you have IP on a product, then license it to a company, that company is in an excellent position to be able to squash the claimants of similar patents, provided, they are not owned or licensed by companies of equal financial backing. If a patent is licensed by Microsoft, say, then similar patents can be either paid off of litigated until the claimant runs out of money. In either case, it is none of the concern of the licenser, as they still get their money.
As an inventor myself, I can tell you that if ALL you are is a very creative inventor, you will get nowhere. You must also train yourself to be a businessman, marketing department, salesman, lawyer, etc, or you may as well give up. A brilliant idea is just not enough in today's IP climate.
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Wed, February 28, 2007 - 1:22 PMIf all you have is an "idea." you haven't got mush at all from a legal standpoint.
If you take your great idea to say an engineer or a machinist to flesh out it suddenly becomes theirs and not yours.
You need a physical working model. Or you need to flesh it out on paper well enough that all the little parts the physics, materials sciences, the mechanics etc., are accounted for Once you get that you can go for a patent.
There are companies that handle ideas and will establish a relationship with you based on a written agreememt but you gotta pay for the services. There aren't many ideas that are so astonishing and so do-able that anyone would do it on spec.
In essence you pay to have some one else make phone calls. It's like hiring a general contractor.
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Re: How do I go from product Brainstorm to Manufacture?
Fri, March 9, 2007 - 5:33 AMCheck out Inventors Digest Magazine online for some resources. Their side menu pick will give you a list of possible local inventor organizations around the country where you may be able to attend meetings and learn the process from experts. You will also find a list of honest services you may choose to use.
Before you spend any cash, you should first become educated regarding the scam companies that are out there willing to "help" you. Many are more interested in lightening your wallet than launching your product.
Here's the Inventors Digest website: www.inventorsdigest.com
Good luck.
Bill C.