crop circles unltd.

topic posted Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:25 PM by  nommolucas
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milk hill and south field crop circles

www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009....html

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quetzalcoatl and the galactic jellyfish

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nommolucas
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  • Re: crop circles unltd.

    Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:36 PM
    the jelly
    www.youtube.com/watch

    the dragon fly
    www.youtube.com/watch
    • Re: crop circles unltd.

      Fri, July 3, 2009 - 10:33 AM
      stoned wallabies crop circles.

      www.randi.org/site/index....d-again.html
      • Re: crop circles unltd.

        Fri, July 3, 2009 - 11:09 AM
        I'm sure you wish that wallabies on opium explain all the crop circles that can't be explained by pranksters with boards, but many formations have garnered readings of above normal radioactivity and other weirdness. I don't have an explanation to pitch, but I also can't just brush them all off as man- or wallaby-made. There is something strange going on. And I dare you to try to make a 300 foot long crop formation with amazing symmetry and precision overnight.
      • Re: crop circles unltd.

        Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:16 PM
        i would love to believe that inebriated animals
        can weave such elaborate patterns while
        in an ecstatic state; or that crop circles are the
        result of animal sex ritual or
        some animal bacchinalia....

        but i don't
        • Re: crop circles unltd.

          Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:31 PM
          and there is zero evidence that space aliens are involved. The stoned animals are an interesting explaination for a few, others were done by people who came foreward to say they did the hoax. There are prosaic explaintations for nearly all of them.
          • Re: crop circles unltd.

            Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:33 PM
            well until you can explaintation all of them, the case is still open
            • Re: crop circles unltd.

              Fri, July 3, 2009 - 7:46 PM
              Here are my three main reasons for current crop circles being made by earthlings:

              First, I know of smart English (and now American, see below for starters) college techies who have been making crop circles for years with the tacit agreement of the farmers on whose fields they do them. It's been great for tourism and so the areas where they make them has spread widely across the U.K. over the years.

              Second, I can't believe that extraterrestrials would have made such dramatic improvements in their designs over the past 25 years! When you look at how simple the designs were in the '80s and how they've gradually become more complex each year, identical to our steep learning curve of using technology and current cultural interests to make them and choose the designs.

              Finally, NONE of the designs have been unknown in our earthly culture and history, in other words a design or picture or such previously not known to us (i.e., alien). Even when anthropologists have come across previously unknown cultures, there are frequently alien designs, written language and other symbols. NOT so with crop circles!

              Here's a good site by college kids in Oregon who've made some and they show how:lug.oregonstate.edu/events/f...op-circle
              • Re: crop circles unltd.

                Fri, July 3, 2009 - 9:15 PM
                i like the third reason.

                i think, no matter the cause,
                they are fascinating to look at
                and ponder.

                and that they are done so pristinely.

                of course all the symbols could be alien in origin
                even though they've been around long enough to
                be familiar to us.

                i personally don't believe in alien life
                but am nonetheless interested in all
                its controversy...
                thanks for all the interesting ideas put forth.
                • Re: crop circles unltd.

                  Fri, July 3, 2009 - 9:31 PM
                  For me, having studied and seen the modern crop circle phenomenon for over 20 years I see no reason to think extraterrestrials have created them. I'd be happy to discuss this more, as I realize it's "a hot button" issue for many, as I found in my 35 years of living in Santa Cruz....

                  For starters about this, external phenomena like the Nazca lines because they come from an earlier historical period seem much more possibly to point to to alien intervention.

                  Second, logic can lead one IMO to see that there must be in this universe many sources of intelligent life and that we are probably not the most advanced in universal travel.

                  Nest, in my psychedelic and other experiences in dreams and other altered states alone and in traditional shamanic settings, even though these might be discounted as subjective, I have had and experienced--for lack of a better term that comes to mind now for such non-ordinary experiences--paranormal states of awareness that support this view of alien contact.

                  Finally, IMO many of the cutting edge sciences suggest this view of "reality" as more multidimensional if you will than the traditional linear time-space continuum concept. However, that being said, there are charlatans abounding as there always have been to claim that they "know" what's what in this realm. Too many of them have been shown as false prophets, in my view.
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                    Re: crop circles unltd.

                    Fri, July 3, 2009 - 10:12 PM
                    it's funny, whether talking about
                    belief in god etc or alien life
                    logic alone is not sufficient.

                    both require a certain degree of faith...

                    of which i have little or none
                    • Re: crop circles unltd.

                      Fri, July 3, 2009 - 10:20 PM
                      it requires Spirit(Consciousness beyond that of the moment, awareness of the Self) not faith alone. it requires using the senses that you have besides your 5 physical ones, and to do that, that requires you to look inwardly and gain self-knowledge, to "Know Thyself". also awareness of the Self is needed, Self-awareness.

                      you have been operating with an incomplete tool your entire life, the rational/critical mind is not complete without the intuitive "intelligence of the heart". This is Alchemy, Spirituality and Science as One, this is the True Science of Life.
              • Re: crop circles unltd.

                Sat, July 4, 2009 - 2:18 AM
                Good explanations, Will Beat....

                But I only need one: Occam's razor
                • Re: crop circles unltd.

                  Sat, July 4, 2009 - 2:22 AM
                  Oh, and regarding radioactivity....

                  Which seems more likely:
                  A) Aliens did it.
                  B) Paranormal activity caused it.
                  C) Some humans cracked open a few fire alarms and scattered the particles in the field.
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                    Re: crop circles unltd.

                    Sat, July 4, 2009 - 5:32 AM
                    yeah, fire alarms. that must be it................................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
                    • Re: crop circles unltd.

                      Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:26 AM
                      To me the most curious aspect of it is that the makers are continuing to be allowed to damage all this crop. I mean lately there has been quite a bit of flattening near landmarks which expose the makers to surveeilance and the chance of being stopped. I can't buy that they are being allowed to proceed because it is good for tourism. I can't belive that farmers would be very interested in the tourism aspect unles they are being recompensated by local town councils for the damges and payment is coming from coffers made to bulge by increased tourism. This is not ringing right with me. Someone have better skinny on this?
                      • Re: crop circles unltd.

                        Sun, July 5, 2009 - 12:27 PM
                        As I wrote above, "I know of smart English college techies who have been making crop circles for years with the tacit agreement of the farmers on whose fields they do them." To my knowledge none of the farmers have complained, and the monetary damage is miniscule. Any recompense is informal. As to surveillance and the chance of being stopped--well, if they really wanted to catch them (or, for that matter, catch the ETs in the process of creating circles)they sure would have by now.
                      • Re: crop circles unltd.

                        Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:37 PM
                        Someone have a better skinny? Yes. The scientific community has the answer you seek:

                        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
                        • Re: crop circles unltd.

                          Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:52 PM
                          Precisely! Thanks.
                          • Re: crop circles unltd.

                            Sun, July 5, 2009 - 4:48 PM
                            That's not the skinny I'm looking for. I want someone to explain to me how thousands of dollars of crops are being allowed to be destroyed on a regular basis especially in light of the fact that the circle making groups are well known and that they tend to operate in the same general areas repeatedly at least in England. There should indeed be a simple explanation but there are possibly several simple explanations of equal weight from which to choose. This shouldn't be a theoretical exercise however. The arrangements made in order to circumvent law should be written down somewhere. Where are they?
                            • Re: crop circles unltd.

                              Sun, July 5, 2009 - 4:55 PM
                              • Re: crop circles unltd.

                                Sun, July 5, 2009 - 5:07 PM
                                Imagine for a minute that human astronauts were on a mission to a planet with an intelligent civilization. Suppose these astronauts knew that a pending solar flare or some disaster was about to happen to that planet. Do you think the first thing thsy would do is to sneak onto their farms and draw cryptic messages in the crops?

                                As for the 2012 stuff tribes.tribe.net/2012isahoax
                                • Re: crop circles unltd.

                                  Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:09 PM
                                  While I don't believe that the complex formations commonly seen on the internet are anything but man made, the intellectual merits of your statement demand some rebuttal. If an advanced civilzation visiting another planet found that the governing institutions and the mainstream media were not willing to admit the existence of the visitors much less convey any communications from them to the general population then I would not think it terribly unlikely that the visitors would seek other means of communication - especially symbolic as the message would be covert enough not to arouse the ire of the governing powers or create general panic yet decipherable enough that intelligent people would "get the message" after a little cogitation. Plus, symbols can also convey information subconsciously which a visitor of advanced means might find to be ultimately more meaningful.
                                  It's not too unlike the approach we might take with say a tribe of people still unaware of modern civilzation. If we were going to be gentle and humane about our introduction we would first make "offerings" as with the old cliche of leaving pots and pans in places to be discovered and picked up by the "natives." We would go about it gradually and with circumspection and in a way "symbolically." Not knowing the language we would at first be required to use hand gestures.
                                  The idea of an advanced civilization using cryptics for commmuncation doesn't seem outlandish to me.
                            • Re: crop circles unltd.

                              Sun, July 5, 2009 - 7:36 PM
                              Please substantiate "thousands of dollars of crops are being allowed to be destroyed on a regular basis." Are there news articles or other sources that you can cite for that figure?

                              Further, "the circle making groups are well known and that they tend to operate in the same general areas repeatedly at least in England"; so why aren't they expanding except where other bright young things as I have pointed out above are doing the same thing?

                              Finally, "The arrangements made in order to circumvent law should be written down somewhere": in most cases of such actions (i.e., ranging from mafia or other gross illegal rip-offs to much subtler velvet glove "gentlemen's agreements" for tit-for-tat, they hardly ever aren't, for obvious reasons, written down.

                              So what's your problem with these explanations? Get real! and get with Occam's razor!
                              • Re: crop circles unltd.

                                Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:13 PM
                                Here are some of the circle makers. They are well known, well publicized groups. You will also see a quote of estimated crop damage for one circle. It's not exactly peanuts. The damages differ with the type of crop. Some crops are still somewhat harvestable after stomping. Some are not. There are many instances of livid farmers discovering extensive crop damage over the years, yet the circle makers continue on without prosecution as far as I can tell. What is up with this?

                                www.circlemakers.org/new_documents.html
                                • Re: crop circles unltd.

                                  Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:31 PM
                                  <<Here are some of the circle makers. They are well known, well publicized groups.>>
                                  Re: www.circlemakers.org/new_documents.html

                                  First and foremost, those are mainly the circles made by the old school guys with boards and ropes.

                                  Second, because of that, the "estimated crop damage" is also limited.

                                  Third, "yet the circle makers continue on without prosecution as far as I can tell. What is up with this?"is a question I have already answered above.

                                  My question to you and others is: Why don't you go to England yourself to check all this out, find some some Brit friends here who can unravel these things, and/or do more real investigating as I have so you, too, can find the answers?

                                  Let me know after you do all three as I have!
                                  • Re: crop circles unltd.

                                    Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:41 PM
                                    Hey man, I was just putting out the question. There are Brits hanging out on tribe. I'm not going to England to look into this. My question is I think not unreasonable. How is it that British law enforcement tolerates destruction of property? For the average British farmer who is hanging by a thread financially anyway, this sort of crop damage cannot be a minor thing. Some of these formations are huge these days. Plus, there is the added liability - literally, property liability - of having all these folks tramping around through your fields. I just don't get it. How can law enforcement not be prosecuting these circle makers?

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