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Here are links to some of the most persuasive video footage and writing demonstrating that the WTC 7 collapse was so anomalous as to warrant a new investigation. The WTC7 collapse is itself just a small part of the overall 911 “coincidence” string that has now swelled so hugely and includes so many coincidences and anomalies that I am sure any new investigation will be provided with a mountain of new data and witnesses.
May I suggest you copy and paste these into a saved word document and then perusing them when you have the leisure and inclination to do so.
www.youtube.com/watch (Overview)
www.serendipity.li/wot/last...nding.pdf (“Was WTC 7 A Dud?” This is an update of the original “dud” article. A theory of why things happened -and also didn’t happen - with WTC7. A crucial theory)
www.youtube.com/watch (Office of Emergency Management employee Barry Jennings interview and subsequent death threats. He said that explosions took out most of the WTC 7 lobby before the two big towers fell and also as they fell. This jives with idea that WTC 7 had been “softened up” for collapse which was to have occurred under cover of the big tower collapses, but that the collapse failed thus leaving the perps with the biggest white elephant of 911.)
www.youtube.com/watch (First responder Kevin McPadden’s account of the WTC7 demolition countdown sequence)
www.youtube.com/watch (First responder Bartmer’s report of explosions at WTC 7.)
www.youtube.com/watch (Closer footage of the infamous “Get back – the building is about to explode”)
www.youtube.com/watch (The Italian mini doc called “Seven Is Exploding”)
www.youtube.com/watch (Demolition expert Danny Jowenko on the WTC 7 collapse)
www.youtube.com/watch (The most well known video of 911 sound and video secondary bomb evidence for the entire Trade Center Complex. – 13.5 million hits on Youtube!)
www.youtube.com/watch (Disposal and destruction of forensic evidence -steel beams etc.- in violation of law. Overseen by Giuliani)
www.youtube.com/watch (The infamous “Pull It” uttered by WTC complex owner Larry Silverstein.)
www.youtube.com/watch (Silverstein refusing to answer direct questions concerning “Pull It” and the “chain of command.”)
www.youtube.com/watch (Explosions throughout the day)
www.youtube.com/watch (Professor Steven Jone’s visual analysis of WTC 7 collapse)
www.youtube.com/watch (Firefighter and civilian reports of explosions)
docs.google.com/gview (Freefall physics and WTC 7)
www.911speakout.org/ (Very good general site)
911exposed.org/ (the most intelligent 911 site)
May I suggest you copy and paste these into a saved word document and then perusing them when you have the leisure and inclination to do so.
www.youtube.com/watch (Overview)
www.serendipity.li/wot/last...nding.pdf (“Was WTC 7 A Dud?” This is an update of the original “dud” article. A theory of why things happened -and also didn’t happen - with WTC7. A crucial theory)
www.youtube.com/watch (Office of Emergency Management employee Barry Jennings interview and subsequent death threats. He said that explosions took out most of the WTC 7 lobby before the two big towers fell and also as they fell. This jives with idea that WTC 7 had been “softened up” for collapse which was to have occurred under cover of the big tower collapses, but that the collapse failed thus leaving the perps with the biggest white elephant of 911.)
www.youtube.com/watch (First responder Kevin McPadden’s account of the WTC7 demolition countdown sequence)
www.youtube.com/watch (First responder Bartmer’s report of explosions at WTC 7.)
www.youtube.com/watch (Closer footage of the infamous “Get back – the building is about to explode”)
www.youtube.com/watch (The Italian mini doc called “Seven Is Exploding”)
www.youtube.com/watch (Demolition expert Danny Jowenko on the WTC 7 collapse)
www.youtube.com/watch (The most well known video of 911 sound and video secondary bomb evidence for the entire Trade Center Complex. – 13.5 million hits on Youtube!)
www.youtube.com/watch (Disposal and destruction of forensic evidence -steel beams etc.- in violation of law. Overseen by Giuliani)
www.youtube.com/watch (The infamous “Pull It” uttered by WTC complex owner Larry Silverstein.)
www.youtube.com/watch (Silverstein refusing to answer direct questions concerning “Pull It” and the “chain of command.”)
www.youtube.com/watch (Explosions throughout the day)
www.youtube.com/watch (Professor Steven Jone’s visual analysis of WTC 7 collapse)
www.youtube.com/watch (Firefighter and civilian reports of explosions)
docs.google.com/gview (Freefall physics and WTC 7)
www.911speakout.org/ (Very good general site)
911exposed.org/ (the most intelligent 911 site)
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 12:30 AMi believe you have summed it up quite well
but the real knawing question is simply answered by
your own
SIMPLE VISUAL OBSERVATION
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:02 PM"SIMPLE VISUAL OBSERVATION "
Simple visual observation will just tell you that a building collapsed. Since buildings can collapse for more than one reason, then you would need to know more than simple visual observation to know why it collapsed. So you need evidence, and perhaps expertise, depending on how complicated the collapse mechanism was.
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:09 PM"He said that explosions took out most of the WTC 7 lobby"
Giant pieces of shit falling from high speeds from the collapsing towers taking out big chunks of WTC7 could easily be mistaken for explosions.
"First responder Kevin McPadden’s account of the WTC7 demolition countdown sequence)"
McPadden has been conclusively demonstrated to be a liar on this matter. In one speech to truthers, he expressly said that he couldn't hear a count down. In another interview, he expressly said that he could hear a countdown. One of those times was obviously a lie.
"First responder Bartmer’s report of explosions at WTC 7"
Explosions heard in a building housing 36,000 gallons of diesel fuel that's been on fire for seven hours is not at all unusual. Does anyone really believe that the only thing that could possibly explode in a burning office building housing tens of thousands of gallons of diesel fuel is cutter explosives?
"Closer footage of the infamous “Get back – the building is about to explode”"
Not an unusual declaration when one considers the building has been burning for seven hours and housed 36,000 gallons of diesel fuel. If you knew that a building was on fire for seven hours and it housed 36,000 gallons of diesel fuel, would you seriously not worry about it exploding? And the idea that firefighters and reporters would be given a heads up as to an alleged conspiracy is ridiculous. ("Be sure not to tell anyone about our elaborate criminal conspiracy, except reporters and fire fighters")
"The Italian mini doc called “Seven Is Exploding”"
See above
"Demolition expert Danny Jowenko on the WTC 7 collapse"
Contradicted by other demolition experts, and based solely on his visual impressions. Truthers also conveniently ignore Jowenko's opinion that the Twin Towers were definitely not controlled demolitions. If you accept him as an authority on 7, why not on the other towers?
"The most well known video of 911 sound and video secondary bomb evidence for the entire Trade Center Complex. "
Again, occasional explosions in a building on fire for hours housing tens of thousands of gallon of diesel fuel is not surprising. However, if it was a controlled demolition with explosives, you'd clearly be able to hear the explosives going off in rapid systematic fashion right before and during the collapse. No audio video footage of the collapse, even from a few blocks away when the explosions would have been audible for miles, has ever been shown to show that. It was not a controlled demolition since there was no systematic series of audible explosions at the time of collapse.
"Disposal and destruction of forensic evidence -steel beams etc.- in violation of law. Overseen by Giuliani) "
A million tons of debris is not going to be left on the ground indefinitely if you want the city to get back to work. We're not talking a couple bullet casings disposed of.
"The infamous “Pull It” uttered by WTC complex owner Larry Silverstein."
Probably the most blatant case of outright lying by truthers, who falsely claimed that "pull it" was controlled demolition jargon meaning to demolish a building with explosives, a claim they completely made up out of whole cloth. They have been asked repeatedly to cite a single professional controlled demo source to back up that claim and they have never been able to, and the claim has been soundly denied by at least ten professional demo companies.
"Silverstein refusing to answer direct questions concerning “Pull It” and the “chain of command.”)"
Eventually he did, and said that "pull it" meant what firefighters mean by it, to pull back operations. See above as to the relevance of the expression
"Explosions throughout the day"
Explosions in a burning building filled with diesel fuel? Whoda thunk it?
"Professor Steven Jone’s visual analysis of WTC 7 collapse"
That's not evidence. Jones has repeatedly been demonstrated to be a hack, a fraud and a liar
"Firefighter and civilian reports of explosions"
See above about explosions
"Freefall physics and WTC 7"
Probably the second biggest lie by truthers. Not a single one of the collapsed buildings free fell. Even Architects and Engineers for Truth acknowledges that.
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 6:12 AMWOW
not only are you the complete fraud and plant
unless you are on meds...
are you still on meds/pharms ron? or just another plant
do you get paid by the hour or the word
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 8:47 AMPersonally attacking people who debunk the absurd myths, lies and distorted evidence from truthers is part of the standard MO of truthers who don't know how to address evidence that undercuts their blind faith.
Given the complete ad hominem nature of your post and the fact that you couldn't address a single substantive point, I accept your recognition of your ratonal inability to defend your articles of blind faith.
But keep telling yourself that personally attacking people you're intellectually unequipped to argue with scores you rhetorical points. Delusions do have some emotionally satisfying qualities
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:18 AMHere's some questions that I've posed to truthers that I have had a hell of a time getting answered. Since so many truthers are here, perhaps I can finally find someone to answer any of them. Take them one at a time if you'd like.
1. David Griffin claimed that "pull" or "Pull it" is controlled demo jargon meaning to take a building down with explosives. Can anyone cite a single controlled demo authority that defines the expression as demolishing a building by explosives? If not, then why do truthers continue to repeat that fabrication?
2. Regarding building 7, is it anyone's contention that there could not possibly be any other kinds of explosions than cutter (controlled demo) explosions in an office building burning for seven hours and containing tens of thousands of gallons of diesel fuels, as well as other things in office buildings that can explode when on fire? If there are alternate sources for explosions (say, i don't know - diesel fuel tanks or other fuel operated machines maybe?), then why should anyone assume those explosions are cutter explosions?
3. Since every controlled demolition recorded with audio is accompanied by the sound of a series of rapid , clearly audible explosions immediately prior to and beginning the collapse, apart from hearsay references to folks hearing explosions, can anyone link a single audio recording of the collapse of any WTC building where you could clearly hear the rat a tat sounds of explosives going off immediately before or as the building was collapsing?
4. Regarding Kevin McPadden, in an earlier talk to truthers he said he couldn't hear what was being said on the radio but it was "pulled" and "most likely a countdown", whereas later he claims that he could clearly hear a countdown. So which version do you accept and why, since obviously the other version was a lie? Either he could hear the countdown or he couldn't.
Check out here at 1:13 on
www.youtube.com/watch
5. Truthers like citing fire fighter comments about the building about to collapse and the BBC reporter erroneously reporting that 7 had come down before it actually did. Is it your belief that a massive criminal conspiracy was hatched and the conspirators actually gave reporters and fire fighters (many of whom died on 9/11) a heads up about it? How does that make any sense?
6. Truthers have cited polls of molten metal found weeks after the collapse as evidence of a controlled demolition. Can anyone cite a single case of either thermite use or a controlled demolition leaving polls of molten metal for weeks?
7. Can anyone find any controlled demolitions of buildings that collapsed from the top down, like the Twin Towers?
8. Steven Jones claims that he's found trace elements of thermate in dust samples. Thermite is made of aluminum dust and iron oxide (rust). Thermate adds sulfur and possibly other chemicals. Is anyone maintaining that the only possible sources of aluminum rust or sulphur in a steel structured office building hit by an aluminum bodied aircraft is thermate, particularly when gypsum, one of the most common substances in office buildings contains sulfur?
9. Below is a frame by frame analysis from a truther website demonstrating that even WTC 7 didn't free fall.
911research.wtc7.net/wtc/ana...eed.html
Why do truthers still maintain that any of the WTC buildings free fell when visual evidence clearly demonstrates that none of them did, which is even acknowledged by Architects and engineers for Truth?
10. Here's a fire fighter pointing out that WTC 7 was leaning and the structural integrity of it was so weak that it looked like it was going to collapse.
www.youtube.com/watch
In light of the above, can anyone cite any previous controlled demolitions that were leaning and looked like they were about to collapse BEFORE the cutter explosions went off?
11. William Rodriguez's reports of basement explosions has been cited as evidence of a controlled demolition, as opposed to the prevailing opinion that the explosion was from a massive amount of jet fuel falling down the shaft of freight elevator 50.. The explosions were cited by Rodriguez as occurring within seconds of the plane crash over an hour and a half before the collapse. Can anyone cite any previous examples of controlled demolitions where cutter explosions went off over an hour and a half before the actual collapse?
12. Controlled demo expert Danny Jowenko has been cited in support of a controlled demolition of building 7. Yet Jowenko also has said that he thinks the Twin Towers were definitely not taken down by controlled demolition. If his expertise is support for his opinion on building 7, then why isn't it also support for his opinion that the Twin Towers didn't collapse by controlled demolition? And if they accepting his opinion because of his expertise why do they reject the opinions of other controlled demo experts like at Implosionworld who reject a controlled demolition of any building? Other than cheery picking expert opinions.
13. Puffs seen coming out of WTC 7 and the Twin Towers as they are collapsing are cited as evidence of cutter explosions, as opposed to dust and air escaping the building as the floors pancaked on one another, as well as other breaks in the building resulting from the collapse. Yet all the photos and videos show the puffs happening AFTER the buildings have already started to collapse. Can anyone either cite either video or photos of such visible puffs happening right BEFORE the collapses began, rather than after they already began? Otherwise, can anyone cite previous examples of controlled demolitions where the explosions only happen after the building has already started to collapse?
14. Truthers have claimed that the collapses were implosions, where the buildings collapsed into themselves, and that's evidence of a controlled demolition. Architects and Engineers for Truth have also cite evidence of large amounts of material ejecting far from the the towers as evidence of explosives. So which is it? Were they implosions where the collapsing material fell in on itself, or explosions where a lot of material ejected outwards? And how does contradictory evidence pointing in opposite directions both support the same theory?
15. It is claimed that 9/11 was planned to justify a war on Iraq. If the government manufactured 9/11, then they planted phony stories of Arab hijackers. But the government didn't identify any of the hijackers as Iraqi. If the government created 9/11 to justify war on Iraq, wouldn't they have claimed that at least one or more of the hijackers was Iraqi?
16. If the government could effectively orchestrate this elaborate, massive conspiracy on American soil to justify war in Iraq, then why couldn't they have, under cover of war, planted a few chem weapons in Iraq thousands of miles away to vindicate the invasion?
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 12:40 PMAs I've posted elsewhere: You know threads like this are hopeless, and sooner or later just plain boring, just like those about crop circles, UFOs, American leader assassinations. etc. Everybody has their minds made up, tries to change others' minds, ad hominems break out, flames spark and rage, then people give up, exhausted. Like bad sex. Tragic and boring.... -
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 1:20 PMIf truthers want an investigation so that others can answer their questions, then it's perfectly legitimate to ask them questions. If they refuse to answer, then that speaks volumes about their sincerity in pursuing the truth and just wanting questions answered.
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 1:36 PMAnyone who has swallowed the government's official story as the truth is not interested in the truth. -
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:47 PMAnyone afraid to answer question themselves is not interested in just asking questions
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 2:41 PMpp: That's a start
for what?
you will not pull the true and truth into your wasteful web of lies
ron, you were the biggest piece of shit as moderator on pooplitics tribe
but look, you have willhillbilly as your support
fuck, what a pair of
degenerates
i got to go clean the litter box...
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 1:35 PMSeptember 11 and other false flag operations are covered in this documentary:
Zeitgeist, The Movie - Remastered / Final Edition video.google.com/videoplay
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 1:55 PM<<If truthers want an investigation so that others can answer their questions, then it's perfectly legitimate to ask them questions. If they refuse to answer, then that speaks volumes about their sincerity in pursuing the truth and just wanting questions answered. >>
No. My informed opinion (as perhaps yours is but how am I or anyone else here in virtual flatland to know?) is based on years of reading, discussion and investigation, none of which are possible on these pitiful threads which, as I wrote, inevitably lead to bickering, flaming. etc., etc. I've observed that for years here and elsewhere online with topics like this. Is your experience different? I'd like to know. Have people--including yourself--been persuaded to change their point of view? Social networking sites are, at best like a high school classroom with all the spread in intelligence and intellect that implies. Back in the day of The Well when the membership was more educated and informed it was different. (And The Well is still around for those who qualify.)
Why bother?Pearls before swine.
Except as an exercise in one's ego, which I know informs most if not all of these shallow tedious repetitive "discussions"!
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 2:37 PMis this the willybilly the puke or pune?
what was your observed take on wtc 7?
yes or no
controlled demo
how you hold your feeble fainted self to look in the mirror of life
is way beyond me
now i shall attend with the cunt, ron...
just for the record, you two make me ill
but that is ok
being a disgrace to the great country of the united states
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 2:51 PMAs i wrote: Pearls before swine. Why do -you- bother? -
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 2:56 PMBECAUSE
It is tough to take
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 3:06 PMHmm. "punes"? There are two meanings. Do you mean the new word for "penis," or any illness of the temporary, non-fatal sort, as in a common cold. Prithee, which one do you man?
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:51 PMStill no answers to any of the questions. Come on. How about one question? Pick one. It can't be that hard for you to answer just one of 16 questions can it? -
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 11:37 PMthis is the classic position
you bend over
and want me to do what?
listen dude, only an idiot would follow your folly
so who are your handlers?
you sure make humor hour look good
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 12:22 AMPersonal attacks in lieu of argument don't do anything to support your position. They just make you look desperate and rationally incapable of defending your beliefs.
Still no answers to a single question
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 3:51 PMroro
what skirt you wearing now?
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Thu, November 19, 2009 - 3:53 PMdickhead ron
answer to the starting thread
you gutless piece of shit
yeah
i expect another pm from tribe.net
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 4:10 PMPersonal attacks in lieu of argument don't do anything to support your position. They just make you look desperate and rationally incapable of defending your beliefs.
Still no answers to a single question
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 4:22 PMpersonal attacks in lieu of the the
truth?
gee, have you melted a weber of the grill
lately?
btw: did you ever play football when you were a kid?
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 5:56 PMStill not a single attempted answer
cluck cluck
By the way, no one supporting the prevailing explanation is claiming that any of the fires melted steel. That's another myth by the liars - er - truthers.
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 6:12 PMI believe what I believe and dont even like talking about it with people. I dont see the point of debating anything. It seems people just want to use the subject as an excuse to be little bitches. Regardless of what you think about this subject is besides the reality of whether or not youre a total dick. And roger calling someone else a dick and a gutless piece of shit is so typically yawnable. As usual. -
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 6:48 PM<<so typically yawnable. As usual.>.
Yes, indeed, Mr. M.
And here it's like "Spy vs, Spy"! How interesting to engage a dick in such discourse. It obviously says something about both parriers! -
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 9:25 PM"How interesting to engage a dick in such discourse. It obviously says something about both parriers! "
Who are you referring to, since you're the last person to have anything resembling an intelligible exchange with roger? -
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 9:47 PM<<Who are you referring to, since you're the last person to have anything resembling an intelligible exchange with roger?>>
Now, THAT is interesting! That presumes that you think such is even possible! That makes me wonder about -your- perceptions! -
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 10:04 PMMaybe there is some confusion because Will & I both have black and white avatars? lol And no I dont have a point. Like it fucking matters. -
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 10:09 PMThanks, Mr. M, for putting it so succinctly! Yes, we appreciate what I call the alchemy of opposites!
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 10:17 PM"Now, THAT is interesting! That presumes that you think such is even possible! That makes me wonder about -your- perceptions! "
Interesting that you would engage in a conversation with someone you don't think it's possible to have intelligible conversations with.
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 11:32 PMlet's see
some here are involved in sciencetology
another a satanist
and really...a luciferian?
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 11:57 PMroger is so stuck on scientology, satanism and lucifer. Like we are all everything he views as "bad." Like cock sucking and anal sex.
Got lube?
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 12:03 AMwhat???
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 12:06 AMand the wet noodles here have still not produced one answer to the
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 6:44 PM"and the wet noodles here have still not produced one answer to the OPENING THREAD "
You mean besides these answers to every single point?
tribes.tribe.net/infobunke...9f66873f36
Not surprising that you don't know how to read. It also explains why you are incapable of answering any of my questions.
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 8:05 PMwhy the fuck would i waste my time with the likes of you
on something so simple?
go waste your worthless time and even more worthless enegy elsewhere
did you ever play tackle football?
i am laughing way too hard to
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 8:43 PMJust like a 12 year old. Is Abraxas coming back ever? This shit is so fucking tired.
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Fri, November 20, 2009 - 8:46 PMGot it. You're too stupid to answer even one, and your eensy weensy testicles are too small for you to even try
cluck cluck
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 12:58 PMPersonally attacking people who debunk the absurd myths, lies and distorted evidence from truthers is part of the standard MO of truthers who don't know how to address evidence that undercuts their blind faith.
Given the complete ad hominem nature of your posts and the fact that you can't address a single substantive point, I accept your recognition of your ratonal inability to defend your articles of blind faith, as well as your complete cowardice in not even trying. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 1:41 PMabsurd myths?
wow, you never told us what your daytime job is
and what meds you on...care to pony up?
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 1:57 PMRon I do believe 911 was and is a conspiracy. I'm honestly just so tired of discussing the subject with people. The conversations are a broken record. Theyre all the same. Nothing new here to see. It's like talking with Christians or Muslims about their God. Kind of a pointless waste of time imo. Life is too short. But yes I do still have those conversations from time to time. I just dont choose to dwell on one subject. I'm not an expert on anything. But am interested in many things. Life is a miracle. -
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 3:13 PMgee, ron
did you hear that?
or can't you...feel?
mr m not afraid to admit the obvious
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 3:14 PMbut can't change the color of stripes on
lizards
but when you three finally figure it out
get back
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Sat, November 21, 2009 - 11:39 PM"Ron I do believe 911 was and is a conspiracy."
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 4:16 AMpp: Well, basically everyone knows it was a conspiracy.
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 11:39 PM
wow
it took you this fucking long to admit i was right?
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Sun, November 22, 2009 - 8:47 AMAre you just pretending to be that stupid just to be off putting?
The Arab hijackers who flew the planes into the building were obviously part of a conspiracy idiot. That doesn't mean there was a controlled demo
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 10:49 PMPersonal attacks in lieu of argument don't do anything to support your position. They just make you look desperate and rationally incapable of defending your beliefs.
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 11:48 PMmeep-meep...as I wrote before.
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Re: WTC Seven Au Go Go
Wed, November 18, 2009 - 12:02 AMyou go first
if you are afraid, i understand that
what is it you see...
wtc7
your simple visual observation
but pretend for once
that this happened a year ago
in seattle
wtc7
controlled demo
yes OR no
if you have been frightened all your life
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Thu, December 3, 2009 - 12:44 AM"The Arab hijackers who flew the planes into the building were obviously part of a conspiracy idiot. That doesn't mean there was a controlled demo."
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Thu, December 3, 2009 - 10:26 AMGood to see you back, Solari!
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Thu, December 3, 2009 - 3:42 PMWhere do you get the idea they could not fly a Cessna? Takeoff and landing is the most difficult part of flying, and the hijackers did not have to do either. -
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Thu, December 3, 2009 - 8:46 PMLanding is really the only part that requires real skill. -
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Fri, December 4, 2009 - 3:01 AMThe maneuver that Hani Hanjour supposedly pulled off would have required immense skill, and we are supposed first believe that he did it on his first try... and we are also supposed to believe that he hijacked the plane and flew it into the Pentagon without opening the cockpit door.
Not possible.
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Mon, December 7, 2009 - 12:37 PM<<The maneuver that Hani Hanjour supposedly pulled off would have required immense skill, and we are supposed first believe that he did it on his first try...
It certainly could not have been remote control being that the flight mechanisms on a 757 and a 767 were mechanical and not electronic. For a plane to be converted to remote control, they need to have electronic controls.
In addition, remote controll would have more difficulty doing any flight changes than a human because of the delay factor. There would be a delay while the cameras on board the plane processed the image. There’s then a delay while the image is transmitted, and another while it’s displayed to the remote pilot. There’s a natural delay while he reacts to the situation, then another in transmitting his commands back to the plane, and another while it adjusts the control surfaces accordingly. These take several seconds with remote control planes or predator drones. This is why the accident rate for Predator drones is 100 times that of manned aircraft.
online.wsj.com/article/SB...528436.html
Here is another analyis of the problems with remote control takeover.
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Tue, December 8, 2009 - 12:04 PMNow, will you all come back with insults (thereby relegating yourself to Roger status), or will you directly address the information I provided? Please demonstrate your capacity to have a substantive and fact based debate.
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 11:15 AMAnyone want to address the fact that a 757 could not have been remote control being that the flight mechanisms were mechanical and not electronic? -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 12:24 PMPeople seeing a plane travelling at 400 mph are certainly going to give slightly different accounts. Eye witness testimony always differs slightly, but NOT ONE said they seen a missile. Not one.
For instance, your site dishonestly cherry picks Mike Walters quote to make it look like he witnessed a missile. Here is the cherry picked quote. Just after the attack, Mike Walter, journalist at USA Today, explained to the Washington Post and CNN that "it was like a cruise missile with wings". In reality he indicated that he witnessed an American Airlines plane, and used an analogy to paint how the plane was used like a missile to crash in to the Pentagon.
THIS ALONE DEMONSTRATES THE DISHONESTY OF THE SITE YOU ARE RELYING ON. HERE IS THE VIDEO OF MIKE WALTERS ACTUAL QUOTE. Mike Walters " I saw this plane, a jet, American Airlines". www.youtube.com/watch
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 12:33 PMStickboy, do you care to address the fact that your 9-11 site cherry picked Mike Walters quote to make him sound like a witness to a missile? Please don't ignore, and please don't respond with insults. This speaks to the veracity of the information being provided you and from which you are basing your claims. -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 1:01 PMSee, you indicate that you are not ignoring evidence, but the reality is that you are. Not one witness seen a missile. Your site is DISHONESTLY cherry picking Mike Walters Quote......all the whiile you ignore the lies of your own source of information. Nice job. -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 1:06 PMNo, I just watched the Mike Walters quote video. That is fair to point out, Jeff, and I didn't say you were lying about that. Just about other stuff, such as when you say 9-11 wasn't an inside job.
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 2:07 PM<<That is fair to point out, Jeff,
It is also fair to point out that what your site did with Mike's quote is standard truther site practice.
<<I didn't say you were lying about that. Just about other stuff, such as when you say 9-11 wasn't an inside job.
This is really an idiotic thing to say. How did you come to the conclusion that 9-11 was an inside job? You looked at what you precieved the evidence to be from truther5 sites and came to your conclusion. How did I come to my conclusion? I initially looked at the evidence from truther sites and believed as you, and then delved deeper in to the evidence and came to a different conclusion. The site you posted cherry picking quotes and presenting misleading information is common. Regardless, you and I looking at evidence and coming to different conclusions does not demonstrate that either of us is lying. To indicate otherwise is simply another disingenuous attempt at get denigration to the detriment of actually discussing the details.
I don't think you are lying, but I do think your sites are lying to you.... as I just demonstrated. -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 2:12 PM9-11 was an inside job. That is why I say 9-11 was an inside job. Nothing confusing about that. -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 2:32 PM<<9-11 was an inside job. That is why I say 9-11 was an inside job.
911 was an inside job.....because 911 was an inside job huh? Circular reasoning. Circular Reasoning – supporting a premise with the premise rather than a conclusion.
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:10 PMStickboy: "9-11 was an inside job. That is why I say 9-11 was an inside job." Circular reasoning at its finest! -
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:19 PMLogic at its finest! 9-11 *was* an inside job, that is why I'm telling everyone that's the way it is. Only people like you go around telling people 9-11 WAS NOT an inside job. How silly! -
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:33 PMSee, more avoidence of the specifics. -
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:34 PMThus far you have demonstrated that you are good at cutting and pasting a catalogue of internet sites and name calling. Thusfar you have demonstrated little of your own knowledge or ability to engage in critical analysis of the evidence at hand. You seem to prefer stupid pissing matches rather than intellectually discussing the details.
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 2:35 PMI can demonstrate this kind of Mike Walters cherry picking and misleading of the public on most of your truther sites. I felt like such a fool for believing the truther sites rather than doing my own critical analysis, I made it a point to delve deeper in to the other claims being made.
For instance, there was never any war games that mirrored 9-11, and Cheney was not running war games on 9-11.
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 2:55 PM -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 3:08 PMCan you show us the data that demonstrates there were war games exactly like the 9-11 attacks being conducted? Because I don't see it in your non-specific link. Posting a link without speaking about the specifics is a diversion from actually addressing the details. Is there anything in this like that demonstrates there were war games just like 9-11? Or were you changing the subject to the 9-11 report? -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 3:13 PMJeff, no one buys your shit. That is how it is, and that is exactly how it should be. -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 5:06 PMRelying on insults again, intellectual cowardice to say the least.
<<Jeff, no one buys your shit.
Funny that the majority of the Politics site agrees with me. Nobody? Really? The simple fact is that while America now realizes that Bush was a bastard, and used the emotions on 9-11 to push through his bullshit, the vast majority do not believe that the Govt. perpetrated 9-11. You sir are a minority in that regard.
P.S. You have a penchent for huge overexaggerations. LIAR...... COVERING FOR TERRORISTS...... you know, that kind of shit..... the kind of wild exaggerations and overblown rhetoric we would expect from Bush and Cheney. Nice Job.
And you STILL have not shown one 9-11 training drill that was exactly like 9-11. Yes they train for hijackings, and even hijackings where the plane blows up being that this has been done historically. But there was not one training exercise where a plane is used as a missile to fly in to a building. Not one.
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:11 PMHere is another one that Stickboy avoided.
Stickboy, do you care to address the fact that your 9-11 site cherry picked Mike Walters quote to make him sound like a witness to a missile? Please don't ignore, and please don't respond with insults. This speaks to the veracity of the information being provided you and from which you are basing your claims. -
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:21 PMActually, I already admitted as much about that quote somewhere. If you think that somehow means 9-11 was not an inside job, you are quite mistaken. -
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:32 PMYou did no such thing, you avoided it......and then denied that it was circular reasoning, when clearly it is. Supporting the premise WITH the premise is circular reasoning.
Now, please step up and accept my challenge if you are interested in truth. -
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:38 PMI'm talking about the MISSILE QUOTE. Jesus fucking Christ. See why this is a goddamn waste of time trying to communicate anything at all with you? -
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:48 PM<<I'm talking about the MISSILE QUOTE. Jesus fucking Christ. See why this is a goddamn waste of time trying to communicate anything at all with you?
In conversations there are going to be misunderstandings.....on both sides. Subsequently you are only making excuses for your avoidence.
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 3:55 PMI'm telling it how it is. You are not worth my time, I shouldn't even be giving you this much of my time, especially when all you did is call the information I brought to everyone's attention "shit." It's a clear example of how closed-minded you are.
9-11 was an inside job, y'all! I fuckin' swear to his noodliness, the flying spaghetti monster.
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 4:11 PM<<I brought to everyone's attention "shit." It's a clear example of how closed-minded you are.
It is shit because there is no coherent rhyme or reason to it, it is a jumbled mess of varying 9-11 subjects, none of wich speak to the subject of this thread. Subsequently it has nothing to do with being open minded or not, I am inviting you to give structure to this jumbled mess, one subject at a time. Lets flesh this out, lets give it structure, lets discuss in an open and honest manner.
Posting 10 different links discussing 100s of different aspects of the 9-11 story, none of wich address the specifics in this thread is a way to pretend you know what you are talking about, but what does it really show? It only shows you can find a bunch of links, cut them, and then paste them. I implore you to step up to the plate and actually demonstrate your depth of knowledge on the specifics. Cut and paste broad generality jumbled messes only serve to divert from the details, and as we know, the devil is in the details. -
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Tue, January 12, 2010 - 11:16 AMStill avoiding directly addressing the details I see. Typical.
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 12:18 PMWhat is apparent now is that there was no need for any remote control. The plane overflew the Pentagon. What hit the Pentagon was a drone of some sort: Not only that, but the new witnesses show the plane following a different path from what the flight recorders said, so the flight data recorders were tampered with. That is not surprising at all.
How the misdirection was accomplished:
www.youtube.com/watch
(The tail end of this documentary in which we see and hear an enlisted accomplice confess to a 911 deception while he thinks the interview camera has been turned off is stunning.) -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 12:31 PM<<What is apparent now is that there was no need for any remote control. The plane overflew the Pentagon.
There is NOT ONE WITNESS that indicates it overlfew the pentagon. NOT ONE. -
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Fri, December 11, 2009 - 12:53 PM
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Fri, December 4, 2009 - 8:00 PMYou guys are going to get a taste of the Hanjour farce this weekend. In the meantime, may I suggest that "landing" is just exactly what Hanjour did - at 400mph. Only, I don't think Hanjour did anything. The plane was being flown remotely. -
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Fri, December 4, 2009 - 8:25 PM<<You guys are going to get a taste of the Hanjour farce this weekend.>>
Don't tease us! As or remote flying as in what we're doing now and have done or some time in direct and clandestine warfare, why yes, that makes entire sense! -
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Sat, December 12, 2009 - 10:38 AMjeff said
Funny that the majority of the Politics site agrees with me. Nobody? Really? The simple fact is that while America now realizes that Bush was a bastard, and used the emotions on 9-11 to push through his bullshit, the vast majority do not believe that the Govt. perpetrated 9-11.
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Sat, December 12, 2009 - 10:49 AMwww.prisonplanet.com/article...poll.htm
These hired shills just say any old thing and hope no one is paying close attention. All the polls on the issue on reopening the investigation indicate that a majority of people do not believe the officially sanctioned government story and want a new investigation. -
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Mon, December 14, 2009 - 12:23 AMjeff jeff jeff jeff.
of course you are right, and, of course the naysayers are morons.
the real question, i think, is why you bother HERE?
I mean, you know that tribe is full of trolls, you know that the trolls on tribe represent the lowest of the low brow, and that theres not a shred of integrity in any of them... So why try?
its like going into a biker bar and arguing against fossil fuels, or, going to a lumberjack town and arguing pro hemp board.
they won't listen, they have a predetermined knee jerk reaction, they can't see your information, listen, or think, all they have is their mind numbing and mind numbed programme, and thus, trying to communicate with them is futile.
If you would like to have a fresh try at something potentially meaningful, I suppose you could come over to the wiki, since, we don't have
any 911 truthers there (i suppose other than me, but, I actually only pick up this torch to test forums and torture people like ron,... its not on my list of things to do... saving the planet from rethugnicons and con servers requires getting ones priorities straight...)
The point being, I miss it, and it would be a nice addition to the place. Plus, we don't allow trolling, and, we actually have the intelligence to identify trolls.
issues.ni4d.us/index.php
I just got done with working up the manufactured distractions page.
which is a take off on something obama said back in the election. The subject really is the propaganda wars.
The nice thing about a wiki is, you can make pages on top of pages, link them, and then the next time you want to hammer home the point
you can link to the wiki.
its just a thought. Its true, I'm just passing thru here, and its true, the wiki doesn't have a lot of traffic just yet...
but...
at least when we do get traffic we will know how to handle the trolls.
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Mon, December 14, 2009 - 1:56 PM<<I mean, you know that tribe is full of trolls, you know that the trolls on tribe represent the lowest of the low brow, and that theres not a shred of integrity in any of them... So why try?
Some do have integrity.... you and Dave for instance. But I will certainly check out your wiki.
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Mon, December 14, 2009 - 1:53 PM<<All the polls on the issue on reopening the investigation indicate that a majority of people do not believe the officially sanctioned government story and want a new investigation.
Certainly, we all know Bush & Co. was corrupt, covered up their own negligence, and lied us in to a war in Iraq. That does not = the public supporting the idea that 9-11 was an inside job.
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Mon, December 14, 2009 - 1:51 PMFunny that the majority of the Politics site agrees with me. Nobody? Really? The simple fact is that while America now realizes that Bush was a bastard, and used the emotions on 9-11 to push through his bullshit, the vast majority do not believe that the Govt. perpetrated 9-11.
prove it........... >>
This survey from 2006 showed about 1/3rd thinking either the Govt. perpetrated or let it happen. It shows that only 12% think a missile hit the Pentagon. www.seattlepi.com/national/...y02ww.html This was the most recent poll I could find.
Now, if the question is reverted to Bush covering things up, the number is much higher being that many of us believe that Bush covered up his own incompetence. Not to mention his playing on the emotions of America and lying us in to a war of choice in Iraq. But that is not the same as believing 9-11 was an inside job.
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Mon, December 14, 2009 - 1:52 PM<<Only, I don't think Hanjour did anything. The plane was being flown remotely.
You can only remotely fly planes that have electronic computer controlls, which did not exist on American Airlines 757's in 2001. I have told you this already, and you continue to ignore.
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Thu, December 17, 2009 - 10:51 PM"You mean the Arab hijackers who couldn't even fly a Cessna? "
You mean the one who had hundreds of hours of flight time and was a certified commercial pilot?
He had difficulty landing one plane which is why he wasn't allowed to rent that plane even though he had rented plenty of others.
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Fri, December 18, 2009 - 10:21 AM<<Obviously being that adept at landing was not part of his mission.
This very important point will most certainly be ignored. -
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Fri, January 8, 2010 - 2:34 PM<<<<Obviously being that adept at landing was not part of his mission.
This very important point will most certainly be ignored. ><>
I was right.
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