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so what did you all think last night?

xian — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:55:21 GMT

so i joined this tribe the day after the CA primaries AND i don't even live in your state!!!

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What is CA Electoral Initiative 07-0032 ?

Teresa — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:27:19 GMT

So here are some basics and please check out these links as well as the links in the previous topic.

"The initiative, which received nationwide attention this summer, would mean that California's 55 electoral votes would almost all be doled out by the presidential winner in each of the state's congressional districts. And given the wide swath of GOP red in inland California, that could give the Republican nominee as many electoral votes here as could be won in Ohio."

http://www.kqed.org/weblog/capitalnotes/2007/10/electoral-initiative-back-with-big.jsp
( includes a link to the actual proposal if you click on "initiative")

ie: good luck changing the whitehouse regime without winning practically every other state...

"But there's a big problem with this referendum that has so far gone unnoticed: It's patently unconstitutional. The U.S. Constitution prohibits a ballot measure that would trump a state legislature's chosen method of appointing electors. In Article II, Section 1, the Constitution declares that electors shall be appointed by states "in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct." That's legislature. California's could scrap its current winner-take-all approach and adopt a district-by-district system for allocating electors (as only Maine and Nebraska currently do). But the voters—whom the initiative supporters have turned to because they don't have the support of the Democratic-controlled legislature—cannot do this on their own."

http://www.slate.com/id/2173740

Unfortuately, unconstitutional initiatives have gone through in the past. So this is not an issue to lie down on...

Thanks for your time,
yours
Teresa
ie
Faabrika

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warning: I am not a neutral on this issue, I am against Initiative 07-0032...

Teresa — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:06:05 GMT

warning: I am not a neutral on this issue, I am against Initiative 07-0032...

While I feel that we are certainly in need of Election Reform, Electoral College
Reform or Abolishment ( 1 person, 1 vote, an actual Democracy...), as well as Campaign Reform in general...

This Electoral Initiative calling for "Political Parity" is motivated by certain GOP extremists
wanting to maintain their powerhold ie: "Business as usual" and not by any altruism or want of fairness.

This initiative may sound good on the surface, but the only way that it would be fair, or a better representation of American voters is to split the electoral votes in ALL states, at the same time. And, the actual CONSTITUTIONAL way to change how the electoral votes are distributed is through the legislation. The GOP is trying to circumvent CA legislature.

To me this sounds more like Political Parody...

yours in hopes of an actual Democracy,
Teresa

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CA Electoral Initiative 07-0032 Info Links

Teresa — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:11:11 GMT

Backer of California Electoral Initiative Is Giuliani Supporter ...
A politics blog by the staff of The New York Times. The Caucus analyzes the latest ... Backer of California Electoral Initiative Is Giuliani Supporter ...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/backer-of-california-electoral-initiative-is-giuliani-supporter/

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Democrats fight electoral initiative
Party will send volunteers to speak against plan to split state's votes.

http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_6888905

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Gaming the 2008 Presidential Vote
“Equal Representation” California Style: Gaming the 2008 ...

http://blogs.britannica.com/blog/main/2007/08/equal-representation-california-style-gaming-the-2008-presidential-vote/
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San Jose Mercury News - Electoral initiative spurs counter-push
The initiative would overturn California's winner-take-all method by distributing electoral votes by congressional district. ...

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6891374?source=most_emailed
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Stacking the Electoral Deck - New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/opinion/22wed1.html

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Votescam: Comment: The New Yorker

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2007/08/06/070806taco_talk_hertzberg
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WINNER-TAKE-ALL? NOT NECESSARILY / Move to split state's electoral ...
A GOP-backed initiative to toss out California's winner-take-all system of assigning .... 2004 ELECTORAL VOTES. Actual New plan. count count. Bush 0 22 ...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/06/MNA6RVOC0.DTL
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initiative brought back from the dead
GOP congressman says he will fund struggling electoral vote plan

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/10/31/politics/p182141D31.DTL&hw=electoral&sn=007&sc=401

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the scam to split California’s electoral votes
anti initiative site

http://fairelectionreform.com/

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“Initiative Unconstitutional”
California voters can't change the 2008 election rules on their ...

http://www.slate.com/id/2173740/

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just to be fair, the GOP side of the Issue
GOP fairytale says Dem Chair Art Torres is Big Bad Wolf

http://electoralreformcalifornia.com/

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