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i would realy like your opinions on this. my mind's juggling with the ideas. there are such crazy ironies in this it gets rediculis. read ...
look at what christ represents symbolicaly; and then look at how we CROS CROSS CROSS (pleas excuse my empahsis, but its intentional). we create our saviour. that aspect or archetype in ourself that represent our inner chist; our spiritual hero; our inner god; symbol of holyness, WHOLEness, and purity ect... whatever christ represents to you... then what ? we place him on a crucifix. we CROSS him out, delete him. are things beginning to make sense. pause and ponder.
its like cutting off say your big toe (excuse my analogy); then looking at your toe praying to it saying "i belong to you not oh most holy toe. you are seperate from me. please guide me ect..."
oh the sillyness!
oh the denial
so we persue religion to so called further our connection to spirit, then we fix our attension on the crucifix (very much related religion in general regardless of chistiainity) only to and cut ouself off from metaphysical connections.
so if the language of the un/subconscious is symbolic in nature, think what psycolgical damage we do ourselves looking up to christ on the cross symbol; or just the effect of image itself in the mind regardless of believes and the mind programming going on...its mind LESS. the symbol entrains us to be less. are we not actually crucifying ourelves. crossing out our inner saviour, seperating self from our higher more expanded omnipotent qualities?
energy: on an enegetic level my take on what is cutting is as follows. christ is nail to the cross. now on an sub/unconscious level that an aspect of you/me. ya nailed. nails are driven thru the hands and feet...ouch! ...and the king archytype wares a crown of thorns on his head; thats not only for dramitic effect ( jesus just who would do such a thing) to add sum royalty to the drama, the pro-gram-drama goes deeper.. we release and absorb energy thu our hands, feet and crown chakras. thats energy from and to the earth, and energy from to above thu the crown centre on the top of our head. the christ on the cross has the effect of blocking our extremities, and thus our connection of our outer to our inner, and our inner to our outer. the result is... sad seperation. my theory on the spear in the side of chist is...its the solarplex centre. it relate to issue of power and manifestation, thus we are disempowered. and un-manifestered so to speak.
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look at what christ represents symbolicaly; and then look at how we CROS CROSS CROSS (pleas excuse my empahsis, but its intentional). we create our saviour. that aspect or archetype in ourself that represent our inner chist; our spiritual hero; our inner god; symbol of holyness, WHOLEness, and purity ect... whatever christ represents to you... then what ? we place him on a crucifix. we CROSS him out, delete him. are things beginning to make sense. pause and ponder.
its like cutting off say your big toe (excuse my analogy); then looking at your toe praying to it saying "i belong to you not oh most holy toe. you are seperate from me. please guide me ect..."
oh the sillyness!
oh the denial
so we persue religion to so called further our connection to spirit, then we fix our attension on the crucifix (very much related religion in general regardless of chistiainity) only to and cut ouself off from metaphysical connections.
so if the language of the un/subconscious is symbolic in nature, think what psycolgical damage we do ourselves looking up to christ on the cross symbol; or just the effect of image itself in the mind regardless of believes and the mind programming going on...its mind LESS. the symbol entrains us to be less. are we not actually crucifying ourelves. crossing out our inner saviour, seperating self from our higher more expanded omnipotent qualities?
energy: on an enegetic level my take on what is cutting is as follows. christ is nail to the cross. now on an sub/unconscious level that an aspect of you/me. ya nailed. nails are driven thru the hands and feet...ouch! ...and the king archytype wares a crown of thorns on his head; thats not only for dramitic effect ( jesus just who would do such a thing) to add sum royalty to the drama, the pro-gram-drama goes deeper.. we release and absorb energy thu our hands, feet and crown chakras. thats energy from and to the earth, and energy from to above thu the crown centre on the top of our head. the christ on the cross has the effect of blocking our extremities, and thus our connection of our outer to our inner, and our inner to our outer. the result is... sad seperation. my theory on the spear in the side of chist is...its the solarplex centre. it relate to issue of power and manifestation, thus we are disempowered. and un-manifestered so to speak.
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Re: the christ archetype
Thu, September 14, 2006 - 3:50 PMJung talks quite a bit about Christ as a symbol of Self in Aion. He writes:
"In the world of Christian ideas Christ undoubtedly represents the self. As the apotheosis of individuality, the self has the attributes of uniqueness and of occurring once only in time. But since the psychological self is a transcendent concept, expressing the totality of conscious and unconscious contents, it can only be described in antinomial terms: that is, the above attributes must be supplemented by their opposites if the transcendental situation is to be characterized correctly. We can do this most simply in the form of a quaternion of opposites:
unitemporal vs. eternal
unique vs. univseral
"This forumula expresses not only the psychological self but also the dogmatic figure of Christ."
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Re: the christ archetype
Thu, September 14, 2006 - 4:22 PMbamaby i'm more interested in your opinion than someone elses (including jungs) if you are able to give one without refering to the known well oiled theories...thats in more non psycological jargon (which confuses the sh%T out simplicity). i got completely lost half way thru your refernce . i am not one for over adulating people, psycoloogy or psychoanalasis ect...thats hey thts me... but i do have a great respect for jungs shadow and archetypre references... which i refer more to "bits and pieces" of you.
excuse my confusing grammer in my former post (say creative). i was rushing to finish it...and did not (laugh) and am anoyed...and made many mistakes in the process. i will TRY cap my viewpoints fully at some stage regardsless of the diffuclty i have writing at times -
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Re: the christ archetype
Thu, September 14, 2006 - 4:48 PMThe reason that I mentioned Jung's thoughts on the matter is because this is a Jung discussion forum. It is very hard for me to see how mentioning Jung on a Carl Jung tribe constitutes over-adulation. I'm sorry if you find Jung's terms to be too technical, but that is hardly my fault.
In any case, I happen to strongly agree with Jung's perspective, which is why I quoted it. I see Christ as a symbol of the self. The way I see it, the relationship between Christ and God is precisely analogous to the relationship between the conscious and unconscious minds. The crucifiction of Christ is an image for the situations in which we undergo a radical tranformation of self-concept. Our self-concept dies, and is born again, out of the unconscious.
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Re: the christ archetype
Sat, September 16, 2006 - 10:27 AMbarnaby, although i did begin the thread with, "i realy want your opinion", forgive me, this is of course a jungian tribe and the input is appreciated. sometimes the jargon gets to me though.
"Christ as a symbol of the self. "
yes fully
"The crucifiction of Christ is an image for the situations in which we undergo a radical tranformation and self concept"
this is where i disagree and i think psychology gets tied in its own nots and loops as it tends to accept the more complex explanations as correct.
i think things are far simpler. that christ image/archetype we all look up to is crucified, and unfortunately so goes along goes all those wonderful qualities in ourselves; maybe subdued or suppressed are better term.
let me put it this way. a human christ body image is healthy in that it would assist bring bring that archetype out into our awarness along with the qualities in ourselves assosiated with it. draw 2lines thru the christ image and its a whole NEW drama. we do not venerate him (although outwardly it may appear so), we do not place a tick next to his name, its quite the oppsite. agian i relate , he christ being teathered to an ASPECT OF YOURSELF like an invisble blood brother is crossed out, rubbed out, deleted.
ace i'm glad you picked up on it. its simple. and i think the power of symbols on the sub/unconscious is far greater than we intially understand.
amen
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Re: the christ archetype
Sun, September 17, 2006 - 10:28 AMsherpa , what i am getting at if i read you correctly , is that which is probably eqaual and opposite to your suggestions, and probably do not equate much with jungs perspectives eccept in terms of archetypes. thats why i ask for "your oponions" outside the ring of well lubricated ideas.
i say in accepting the chist on the cross image you are simultaneously casting out your saviour qualities. you are putting you spiritual hero in exile.
what the conciousness belives, and the un/sub conscious sees can be two entirely different things regardsless of wonderfull romantic stories woven around beliefs. when the unconscious sees a cross it reads NO; not tick or a YES. the very simple human image of
jesus is negated. the unconscious sees a human figure thats crossed out. human is crossed out.; and so essential qualities of humanity assosiated with the human archetype.; and why he human suppreased could relate to a plethora of reasons relating to control dogmas, alterior intelligences at work and the herding of human consciousness.
that which you are, on a deeper levels, relates to direstly to images and symbols ghosting in the forfront of the un/suconscious mind. symbols are the letters of the soul. play around with the symbols and things reprogram on very deep levels
so when you go to pray like a loyal catholic in front of jesus hanging from the cross, you ensure that you become which you exactly want to be not.
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the savior and the scapegoat
Sun, September 17, 2006 - 1:16 PMJon
i think i am following you here and if so, you are touching on some rather deep currents in humanistic psychology.
at the level of archetype, the Hero and Savior may be two names for the same autonomous dynamic complete with its own self-organzing mythos and innate purpose. my understanding of the Hero mythos is that it invariably ends in tragedy; historically those identified with the Hero and/or Savior archetypes (and whose fantasy was fully supported by the community) ended up as sacrificial tragic figures. This Hero mythos unravels a dark and complex weave between Savior and the scapegoat complex that you may wish to research further if only to further develop your own impressions. James Hillman, a longterm head of the Jung Institute in Zurich, writes very well on these issues and I highly recommend him. -
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the christ achetype and crucifix.
Mon, September 18, 2006 - 3:24 PMsherpa, interesting, i am not sure thats its deep tho.
perhaps i should have labaelled the thread "the christ archetype and crucifix" because its causing some confusion.
can i ask you (or anyone) what you see when you see a christ image (or simple human figure) with a veticle and horizontal line drawn thru it?
it stares at you in the face christal clear (chuckle). its almost too simple too see. we put christ to death. i have no problem with the christ archetype, i stumble over him tho when i see him on the cross.
do we not alienate christ, the archetype and those qualities in ourselves ect...when we put him to death?
do we not put him INN prison by imprisoning him on the OUTside personifying him as some supernatural deity and not a part of us?
do we not cast him, together with those aspect of ourselves, out of the cavity of our hearts (where he should live as an fully intergrated part of us and wholsome emotion) and send him on his way to live with his dad instead?
do we not by crucifying him send him up to heaven away from our body and the body of earth into outerspace or the sky or heaven -- alienating him?
regardless of romantic stories swirling around christs heroic effort and us being saved in the drama, the cross picture symbol and symbolic death is what the unconscious read; and its not a pritty picture.
sorry for the repartition but i sincerly hope you see the pattern. and forgive my previous post. i've had some bad spelling days
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Re: the christ achetype and crucifix.
Mon, September 18, 2006 - 3:51 PMif life is like a drawing game and somene to start the game drew a picture of a wholsome human figure simply because they like what they see; another may come along and if they do not like what they see draw a cross over that figure.
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what is the crux of your existence ?
Mon, September 18, 2006 - 5:10 PMThough I am not a devoted Chrisian, the crucifixion remains for me a powerful story and archetype in its own rite that refers to that place where we are crucified to the crux of our existence. What is crux ? To me, the crux of my existence is the discovery of what I am living for. What am I living for ? This cannot be easily named or pidgeon-holed as it refers more to a process, not a "thing". However, it seems to invariably involve an honest encounter with where I am strongly fixated (crucified), or stuck, or obsessed on a picture or image or product of the ego or intellect which limits a more open-ended experience of myself, the world, life.
As for my personal impression of the man on the cross image, I see a metaphor of surrender to the crux of one's existence. But it does not stop there. If the surrender is authentic -- the surrendering of ego -- a psychic force is released and with enough self-commitment, consciousness moves through the very heart of the subjective crucifixion experience and out the other side. What "the other side" looks and feels like remains unknown until it happens. The outcome of such an authentic surrender cannot be controlled or predicted.
I now know -- not just "believe" -- there can be a kind of transcendence through authentic surrender to the subjective crucifixion experience itself. How one gets to this point differs for each person as each of our "crux points" reflect differing fixations. What I am saying here is that rather than avoid and attempt escaping the experience of being stuck, you turn towards the center of the crux fixation and escape into it. I use the word "escape" here intentionally; this is about escape into reality, not escape from reality.
There is obviously much more to this scenario. The particular way I came to my own crux point was through a longterm self-discipine called "paratheatre" that culminated in a five week process of excavating the crux point for eight individuals back in 1999. Though I do not recommend this paratheatre approach to everybody, I think the results of our research can be of some use to anyone pursuing a sincere inquiry of the crucifixion archetype; Christians and non-Christians alike.
An interview was conducted with me after this CRUX project which you can read at:
www.paratheatrical.com/pages/...ew.html
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Re: what is the crux of your existence ?
Tue, September 19, 2006 - 9:22 AMshrepa's..."As for my personal impression of the man on the cross image, I see a metaphor of surrender to the crux of one's existence."
i see a an image thats been deliberatly tamperd to get us to reject the christ archytype and those qaulities in ourselves. christ has been/ pinned/nailed to the cross. barred (literally) from intergrating with us . the cross is a big no symbol -- not a yes. -
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Re: what is the crux of your existence ?
Tue, September 19, 2006 - 10:27 AMjon,
though i do not personally agree with your views here, i can certainly understand them if one interprets this symbol in the most literal way. i admire your courage to step forth and post your position here. thanks for this opportunity to discourse on the matter. -
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Re: what is the crux of your existence ?
Wed, September 20, 2006 - 1:26 PMi expect so. the personality is composed of a spectrum of viewpoints a multitude personalities that makes it worth exploring fingertips. cheers. -
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what going on about christ on the cross?
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 9:14 AMin what i have related, getting it out of myself has been diffcult -- although a part of me is shouting it out CHRISTal clear. maybe thats due to all the programming on the christ subject preached for thousands of years; and religion tends to strick to the core of our personal structures; we get real heated about it.
my perspective it goes against the grain of concensus belief, so much that i think only a very small percentage of people would even consider the possibility because it stires up deep wounds on personal and collective scales. personaly let me say that i do not believe it. let me also say that i do not disbelieve it. a facet of myself considers the possibilty. i would eccept that i could be way off the mark.
but the the more i think about how the "christ archetype" could be crossed out, crucified on the cross, imprisoned on the outsiide, locked out of self, however ... suprisingly the conscept seems to gain momentum the more i think about it. the lord of co-incidence seems step inn and whisper to me -- its deafening. i am almost fascinated how my views will develop on the subject in future -- if they develop.
a part of me also considers it shoking. millions apon millions of people look to religion for sprituality. they look up to crucifix as an image of hope, glory, ressurection and salvation; when in fact the the truth could be shoking opposite -- they/you/me could be unconsciously corriographing the destruction of those qualities, its death, its exile from self; a most valuble ascet to self that goes beyond simple desciption. oh the ironies
i ponder how is it that so many hunderds of thousands of people on the planet can be religious -- look around -- yet so lifeless. those that turn to religion do so to enhance there spirituality do they not? so the resultant effect should be "more livelyness" within themselves. i am sorry but i cannot see that in effect. it seems to have a deadening effect on the life nerves.
and if you lived in the dark in th dark ages and spread the light of the fact that earth could infact be round, it could be considered laughable.
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Re: the christ archetype
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 10:31 AMWow Jon,
I understand you perfectly. I do believe you are right in a lot of ways, and I never thought of it that way but I see it clearly. Thanks for the thoughts!
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There was no Christ without Jesus
Sat, September 16, 2006 - 9:59 AMTo better understand this Jungian idea of The Christ relating to the archetype of the Self, we must also include the Ego and how it relates to the man Jesus of Nazareth (as he was known by others before his rebirth into The Christ). The process of individuation initially involves to a long and arduous process of ego testing and development so that the personality may mature over time and eventually merge with the totality of the Self.
Jung looked to Alchemy as a potent metaphor for mapping this evolutionary process of the ego's preparation for surrender to The Self, which mirrors Jesus' trials and tribulations as he approached the dynamic embodiment of The Christ. There is obviously much, much more to this process which may require several threads (at least) to outline and examine. What I wanted to contribute here was the missing pieces of Ego and Jesus in their process of mirroring the higher sources of The Self and The Christ, respectively. -
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Re: There was no Christ without Jesus
Mon, September 25, 2006 - 6:28 PMI checked out the thread. I understand what youre saying but it sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me. Not that it may not be. I just don't really care. I don't know that much about Jung. I know that any truly intelligent person may probably want to check him out. He is on a long list & I have priorities so havent gotten to him yet. An ex boss thought the world of Jung. Some Christians have called him a Jewish Luciferian Satanist into Kaballah. Alot of Chistians see Jesus Christ as the Bible says. (Literally) It's very simple. Alot of people christian or not may think you are highly overanalyzing it. But to each his own. While Jesus Christ is in my thoughts alot I don't really give to much of a fuck about him or Jung. They can both suck it!
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the human being
Mon, October 16, 2006 - 10:56 AMjust mention christ or jesus and it draws strong emotional connotations in us. even 2006 years begins from his birth....our TIME (jesus!). the name alone may fog your logic; so...
wipe out the christ/jesus name. take it away from the label of saviour. think simply. take an A4 sheet of paper and rouhghly draw the outline of a human figure with outspread arms in the centre of the page...say about half the length of the page. now draw a verticle line thru the length of the body, and a horizontal line thru the body along the arms.
does something speak to you? the human figure with outspread arms can be associated with the adam kadmon. its represents the human prototype in kabala -- if i am correct -- firstman, or primordeal man. leonado de vinci's version looks like he is doing aroebics in a circle.
what do we do with the prototype, CROSS it out -- your very blueprint. we crucify the human prototype. a part of me considers that tihs is hugely damaging to the psyche, having the effect of deconstructing the original human progagm, and suppressing the human being in ways that are hard to descibe; because here we are dealing with the language of the unconscious.. and who is fully CONSCIOUS of that?
does tht make you cross?
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Re: the human being
Mon, October 16, 2006 - 11:20 AMbut how does one etch the cross onto the human figure so it STICKS to our minds as part of it? weave an elaborate storry around it, call it the bible, the truth and nothing but the truth; and then say that if you disobey its rules you will be punished by god.
and so is the crux of our reality, so much so that reinnact that progam, consciously or unconscious, everytime you write or say the date 2006. scarry!
but that may be too difficult for the average human to even consider because our reality and morals are soooo based on the bible, since you were born you were programmmed to its dictates, even if your do not believe in it, its MARKS are imbeded into you as securely as a tatoo.
perhaps we should recondider removing the cross from the human figure, and liberating the the 'human being' so it can exist in its entirety.
"i am here to stimulate your thoughts"
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Re: the human being
Mon, October 16, 2006 - 11:23 AMDo you suffer from crucifixion fixations ? Or are you in pursuit of further insight regarding the messianic compex ? -
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Re: the human being
Mon, October 16, 2006 - 11:39 AMJon, like Sherpa I get what you mean (the crucifix as a symbol of humanity crossed-out), and I find it an interesting idea, but I am not sure what more you want.
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Re: the human being
Mon, October 16, 2006 - 11:53 AMgood point, i am not sure (laugh)
but am i not trying to do just that and deconstruct the messianic reference. i do not like it myself for reasons i explained -- connotation. if you read my second last post labeled the HUMAN BEING
"wipe out the christ/jesus name. take it away from the label of saviour" ect...
here i am trying to take away the crucifix, christ and messianic label so it can be seen in simplicity without those connotations. i am looking at the GEOMETRY, and the effec it has on one
i am interested in the human being, what it represents, the deep symbols, and the programs (grams/pictures/symbols) that assist govern your very behaviour.
how does one discuss the human geometry, and its relationship to the cross without messianic references
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Re: the human being
Mon, October 16, 2006 - 11:58 AMrach "i am here to stimulate your thoughts". make of it what you will. -
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Mon, October 16, 2006 - 12:36 PMhe looks disturbingly aryan on those doesn't he? they don't seem to me to reflect the type of body posture a christ would assume. they resemble a type A business man, or a military comander. -
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Mon, October 16, 2006 - 1:26 PMThe link you posted doesn't work, but why anyone would eat their heart out over some Aryan-looking rambo is beyond me.
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Re: the human being
Mon, October 16, 2006 - 12:15 PMoh OK, now i get the repeated postings: you're extnding the original enquiry to the theme of geometry and its effects. cool. thanks
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Re: when god becomes a trauma
Tue, October 17, 2006 - 10:16 PMhey jon.
someplace in this thread you wrote something that makes me think you are equating the crucified christ image and trauma, and i am wondering if you have read Greg Mogenson's "A most accursed religions: When trauma becomes a god". I think you'd like it, or at least find it interesting. I think he is exploring part of what you are trying to address here... He explores how God is a trauma, and that we need god, turn to god, when we humans cannot digest the traumas we encounter in life. hopefully, the divinty, its stories and complexes help us to digest our traumas, make meaning of them. But in current Western society, god has become beyond image, iconoclast, unimaginable, so our traumas are bigger and bigger because we need that to expereince the divinity, hiroshima, nazi ovens, genocide, etc... very interesting thesis. Mogenson is a Jungian analyst working out of Onterio Canada. I may not have done him justice here, but it might be a great book given parts of what your wrestling with here. -
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Re: when god becomes a trauma
Wed, October 18, 2006 - 7:06 AMthanks i'll check it out
"But in current Western society, god has become beyond image, iconoclast, unimaginable, so our traumas are bigger and bigger "
on that note, and psychoanalising society, do you not think that our seperation from divinity as a collective could just be reflect in the crucifiction drama? we hang a human being on a cross and send him up to heaven (thats away from self) to negotaite with god because he is so unimaginable. the crucifiction image, being such a ubiquitous powerful iconic image, it does the service of maintaining the humnan/god seperation program; and its 2006 and years old. don't you think that when we CROSS out your saviour elements god becomes a trauma? trauma because he's so distatnt.
but after all that, i'll say i am more interested in goddess. she severely need intergration or syzygy with self and soul. big bro has been running the show far too long; and well the HE and SHE parts in us need to be balanced out.
hell, ain't i an annoying bugger on the subject.
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Re: when god becomes a trauma
Wed, October 18, 2006 - 9:56 AMhmm.
i dont think your so annoying. seems your just curious and trying to work something out for yourself and we all get to participate in the places where it touches something in us. thats both the blessing and curse of community i suppose.
the crucified image seems to me have been around longer than just christ. there is the guy who hangs upside down and discovers runes, is it odin? how old is that story? prechristian tho, i think, and so the need for a sacrificing god seems to transcent the christian mythos as it recurrs in a variety of motifs... dionysus is sacrified in 500 bc, dismembered and consumed alive (and most likely much longer ago than that), the god who dies and is reborn. blood of my blood and so on. so i think the need for a divinity who is both human and not human, which appears in the christ image is just one take on something among many.
mogenson says one thing i agree with, hillman also, which is that in polytheism we get a variety of stories, each divinity has its own traumas, and so there are choices of stories attached to specific divinities to choose from to help us digest our expereinces. with many divinities, the stories get to retain some specificity, so we know to whom our traumas belong. in the monotheistic tradition, everything gets very generalized so that the greatest amount of people can find their story inside the offical dogma, but there is a loss of experience specific narrative, and so its less helpful as far as making meaning of traumatic experience is concerned.
psychoanalyzing society, i wonder if when we seperated from divinity we became divinity,
so god could be further away instead of inside us as he/they was/were for the early greeks, giving us eyes to see, moving our toungs in speech without our conscious thought etc. Then, we discovered that we had minds, so god could move a bit further away, and from that emerged the exploration of individualism, and god got even further. interesting thesis. if this idea interests you, check out Bruno Snell "The discover of the mind in Greek philosophy and literature." another intersting read.
then we eat god. i think thats so interesting. trying to get back to a sense of personal intimacy? a symbiosis lost and resought? i become god cuz gods in me? or i eat god so i am gods temple. am i god or not god when i eat god? if i eat god and digest god, do i then shit god out? what happens to god? does he take over my cells through my metabolizing him? is this a state of possession? if we contain god, are we embodying the divine feminine? does god return to the womb through our eating of him? (as raven is born in the house of the sun by become a pine needle in water drunk by the daughter of the sun). ?
mogenson would say the trauma comes first, then the convenant with the divinity,
(no longer mogenson, me working it now) so we revision the christ as crucified because it speeks to a trauma and betrayal that we need external pictures of to digest our own experiences, collective experiences.
i do love your word play on cross and cross and i wonder if maybe jesus is grumpy, hes very cross.... perhaps thats part of what happens when daddy god says you have to sacrifice yourself to save everyone else. daddy god sacrificed his son for his own agenda. that would make lots of people grumpy. just playing now. but then perhaps its all about play....
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Re: the christ archetype
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 1:19 PMwhat seems like eternity suddenly ends. i snap out of a trance. i had been using the pranayama i learned during my time in kashmir india to slow down my heart beat so that my transgressors would think that i was dead. but suddenly it becomes clear to me what i must do. a wicked grin spreads across my thin lips, i open my eyes and they sting for blood is running down my face from the crown of thorns. looking up i see that the dreadful abyss is above, a dark and deadly cyclone swirling itself into being at the zenith of crucifiction. the pattern of my breathing has been slow and steady forever, but on this inhale i draw to myself all the energy of the cosmos. the nails in my hands and feet start to get so hot that they begin to melt. but before they melt completely, freeing me from the bondage unto which i delivered myself, i act, because i want to be the one who frees myself. i want to free myself using my own will and power, rather than dropping because the nails melted. my lungs are now full. i suspend my breath for a count of three and then i unleash upon the world the most beautifully hideous thing they have ever heard: the savage yell of the christ. the PASSION of the christ echoes throughout eternity, the wood of the cross is shattered into a million splinters, the nails thud against the ground, which shakes violently as the people flee in terror. i land gracefully on my feet. my whole life i have forced a peaceful smile, but no more shall i wear that mask. with a wicked grin i raise my bloody hands up to examine them. through the hole in my palm i see attackers rushing towards me with spears, they are being led by the one who stabbed me in the side. inwardly, i cackle like the deranged maniac i have finally found myself to be. flames rush from my nostrils upwards to burn the crown of thorns right where it sits on my head, the fierce wind of the storm blows the ashes away. my attackers realize their stupidity and turn to run the other way. black wings burst from my back and i lift off the ground. the hunt has begun.
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