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New evidence about Jung's type preferences

Vicky Jo — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:43:07 GMT

Detailed on my blog:
http://www.TypeInsights.com/blog/announcement/news-flash/

Enjoy!

-Vicky Jo :-)

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Forthcoming: "The Red Book"

Vicky Jo — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:42:38 GMT

Hey everybody,

There's a lot of chatter right now about the upcoming release of C.G. Jung's posthumous book, titled "The Red Book."

The "New York Times" article is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/magazine/20jung-t.html

If you are lucky enough to live in or near New York, the Rubin Museum has a special exhibit about it:
www.rmanyc.org/nav/exhibitions/view/308

and several related events associated with the release:
www.rmanyc.org/pages/load/155

If you would like to pre-order a copy for yourself, it's available at Amazon using the link below:
http://tinyurl.com/TheRedBook

Please join us in our excitement and enthusiasm about this forthcoming release!

-Vicky Jo :-)

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Dream I need help with....

aschleigh — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:24:50 GMT

I need help interpreting this dream. I have dreams of this ex sometimes. Last night I dreamt that I was at a really nice house and I realized that my ex's house was in the nieghborhood. I had to swim across a pond to get up to the property. Then I went to the house and no one was home but this random guy, I asked if my ex was there, he said no but that I could go up to his room. I went up the stairs to his room, it was messy and seemed lived in even though he wasn't there. I looked around and then I left. When I was about to swim across the pond again to the other house I realized I had a back pack of stuff. I must have taken it from his room , i looked ino the bag and there were a bunch of wires like telephone wires all in a bundle. I closed the bag and jumped into the pond to swim back to the other house.
What do you think?
The emotional content was that I was sneaking around and he was going to be mad that I was in his room. Also the wires interest me, He is an IT guy, very heady, very in his head and works with lots of wires. Did I sneak into his room and remove some wires? Or re-wire some stuff figuritively. Maybe it was my head that was rewired.

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weird dreams

marquis — Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27:14 GMT

i got a question about these 2 weirds ive been having for a long time. the 1st dream i always had is my mother and i have sex in the dream. NO, I WAS NOT MOLESTED/RAPED AS A CHILD BY MY PARENTS. i had those dreams since i was 12 and sometimes i still dream about it at 23. my mom and i are NOT close at all, for the record. why am i having those kinds of perverted dreams? the 2nd dream im having recently is mom and i are fighting in the house with our hands and we break the door as we are flying out beating each other.

the 2nd dream always result in us arguing about friends, relationship and education - mostly friends and relationship. thats when put her hands on me and we went at each other. my question is what do these dreams mean? yea i still live at home for the moment.

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New book about men, religion and archetypes

mrman — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:47:14 GMT

Numen, Old Men: Contemporary Masculine Spiritualities and the Problem of Patriarchy:
http://tinyurl.com/desl9s

Since the early 1990s there have been various waves of interest in what is often described as “masculine spirituality”. While diverse, a commonality among these interests has been a concern that spirituality has become too feminine, and that men’s experiences of the spiritual are being marginalized. Masculine spirituality is therefore about promoting what it perceives to be authentic masculine characteristics within a spiritual context. By examining the nature of these characteristics, Numen, Old Men argues that masculine spirituality is little more than a thinly veiled patriarchal spirituality. The mythopoetic, evangelical, and to a lesser extent Catholic men’s movements all promote a heteropatriarchal spirituality by appealing to neo-Jungian archetypes of a combative and oppressive nature, or understanding men’s role as biblically ordained leader of the family. Numen, Old Men then examines Ken Wilber’s integral spirituality which aims to honour and transcend both the masculine and feminine, but which privileges the former to the extent where it becomes another masculine spirituality, with all its inherent patriarchal problems. Gay spirituality is then offered as a form of masculine spirituality which to a large degree resists patriarchal tendencies, suggesting a queering of spirituality could be useful for all men, both gay and straight.

Excerpted here:
http://www.realitysandwich.com/masculine_spiritualities_and_problem_patriarchy

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"The Invisible Forest" reviewed by Zurich Jungian analyst Cedrus Monte

sherpa — Tue, 13 May 2008 02:41:48 GMT

Zurich Jungian Analyst Cedrus Monte recently reviewed my film, "The Invisible Forest" and suggested that I alert Jungian therapists, study groups and organizations to upcoming public screenings. Here is an excerpt from her review and a link to the entire review:

"Forests embody threshold spaces where we encounter the spirits of nature as well as ghosts of the psychic, para-spiritual world. It is here in the forest that Alli's dreamstory begins and winds itself through a rich tapestry of labyrinthine dreams within dreams, dreams that eventually carry us through to the shattering and regenerative conclusion of Alli's cinematic opus." - Cedrus Monte, Jungian Analyst. Zurich Switzerland (www.cedrusmonte.org)

Ms. Monte's review in its entirety at:
http://www.verticalpool.com/ifmontereview.html

trailer for the movie:
http://www.fractalvideo.com/HTML/IFFV2.html

the movie site (synposis, pix credits)
http://www.verticalpool.com/if.html

THE INVISIBLE FOREST tours the USA west coast throughout June (Sacramento, Eugene, Portland, Seattle, Bellingham). If you live in or near these cities, you may be able to attend this rare film screening. I have posted the schedule and venue information on my tribe profile page for those interested. I will also attend each screening in person for a post-screening Q&A.

truly,
Antero Alli, director
www.verticalpool.com

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Why do jokes seem so difficult to remember?

sturmeyarcher — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:33:47 GMT

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the video i vstar in

Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:35:57 GMT

i just found out that for the
past 2 months my pharmacist
made a HUGE mistake
instead of 1 mg of Risperdal
i was getting .5 i'm supposed
to take 2 mg a dday
yyeah i knlow i have the giggles
But i delare a DEFAULT
oh i might of had feelings for some one
BUT i DIDN;T LOVE HIM THE WAY I
DO AND DID ERIC FRANCIS
HE'S WITH ANOTHER WOMAN AND I FEEL JOY
AND HAPPINESS FOR HIM
to show her i bought everything for their sacred union
evevn including the rings,,,
that's love..that's compersion? that's jost me

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prophecy

Dzikus — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:40:45 GMT

Hi, I just thought I'd share this strange dream with you.
I was in this open field and there were people flying in a balloon over my head. It was no ordinary balloon in that it had no basket. They were holding on to the ropes so as not to fall and die.
We were foretold that this kid would die soon (today?) anyway so we considered how to prevent his death and finally they took him off the balloon and into a large van and went somewhere he'd be safe and outwait the day (could have been a big city or an amusement park).
I stayed at the camp and there was another prophecy that this mouse that was hanging around the place would die too.
Suddenly a dog or cat (can't remember) attacked the mouse and started playing with it, so I grabbed the mouse by the nail and put it into a pot and poured orange juice into it to heal the poor rodent. To my surprise, the orange juice turned out highly caustic and burned the mouse alive, which gave rise to a great deal of smoke.

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important cell phone info

Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:55:37 GMT

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companies tomorrow and you will start to receiev sales calls
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To prevent this call the following #from your cell phone
888-382-1222
it's the Nationational DO NOT CALL list it will only take a minute
it blocks your cell phone for 5 years you must call from the cell phone you want
blocked
HELP OTHERS..PASS THIS ON...

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dream

iallfree — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:31:09 GMT

i dreamed of a polar bear, that was too tired to eat and ..I also saw my father in my dream, i dreamed some ppl didn't like him because he tried killing me when i was a baby...in my dream I feel like I forgave him, but didn't want to be in his life.

i dreamed being deep down in the sea in a car with a woman asking the driver if he saw the sunken "thing" that could be a circus prop "it looks like it belongs in a circus"

.i dreamed of repairing a bus for leaks and the rain coming through the cracks, water getting everywhere....

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Batman, archetypes, the Shadow and the process of being human

aschleigh — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:40:08 GMT

So Batman has got me thinking . How dark that movie is and how beautiful it is. Like the characters, Bruce Wayne is good but has a dark side, he's empty and superficial and a pampered billionaire. The Joker is so dark, a nihilist, nothing matters to him and yet he was a terribly abused child at one point. These things springs from the Mind of Christopher Nolan with much influence of Carl Jung, Bob Kane, and I wishe I knew his sources. This darkness exists in us all. That's what being human may be about, to go deeply into our darkness, shine a light on it and heal it . It may be that we are all in a grand process of rescueing ourselves from this darkness. So people are so in the dark that it is thier lightness that is hard to find. People like Batman are so good that it takes extrodinanary circumstances to find thier darkness. This movie is so beautiful but it is in the darkness that the beauty lies. It does not mix words, people are mean and kill each other. The White Knight ( Harvey Dent) turns bad after losing his love. The characters wrestle with themselves as much as each other.
It's a brilliant film, it is also a brilliant commentary on being human.

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Emerging Visions Jung at Heart

libramoon — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:08:54 GMT

Please get your visions to me by July 12

Emerging Visions visionary art ezine #12, theme title: Jung @ Heart
expected to emerge in deepest July

I find it easier to work the collage with a running theme, usually associated with the astrological influence at the time of "emergence" of the issue. #12 is due out during the astrological month of Leo, around Jung's birthday. Leo rules youth and heart.

For Submission Guidelines and Issue #11 Imagine Nation:
http://emergingvisions.blogspot.com

I am hoping you will submit artistic visions relating to fairytales, youth archetypes, playfulness, creativity, childlike wonder, and such.
If you have something for the issue, please do send it.

libramoon42@mindspring.com

~~~~ make it happen

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the christ archetype

Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:52:54 GMT

i would realy like your opinions on this. my mind's juggling with the ideas. there are such crazy ironies in this it gets rediculis. read ...

look at what christ represents symbolicaly; and then look at how we CROS CROSS CROSS (pleas excuse my empahsis, but its intentional). we create our saviour. that aspect or archetype in ourself that represent our inner chist; our spiritual hero; our inner god; symbol of holyness, WHOLEness, and purity ect... whatever christ represents to you... then what ? we place him on a crucifix. we CROSS him out, delete him. are things beginning to make sense. pause and ponder.

its like cutting off say your big toe (excuse my analogy); then looking at your toe praying to it saying "i belong to you not oh most holy toe. you are seperate from me. please guide me ect..."

oh the sillyness!
oh the denial

so we persue religion to so called further our connection to spirit, then we fix our attension on the crucifix (very much related religion in general regardless of chistiainity) only to and cut ouself off from metaphysical connections.

so if the language of the un/subconscious is symbolic in nature, think what psycolgical damage we do ourselves looking up to christ on the cross symbol; or just the effect of image itself in the mind regardless of believes and the mind programming going on...its mind LESS. the symbol entrains us to be less. are we not actually crucifying ourelves. crossing out our inner saviour, seperating self from our higher more expanded omnipotent qualities?

energy: on an enegetic level my take on what is cutting is as follows. christ is nail to the cross. now on an sub/unconscious level that an aspect of you/me. ya nailed. nails are driven thru the hands and feet...ouch! ...and the king archytype wares a crown of thorns on his head; thats not only for dramitic effect ( jesus just who would do such a thing) to add sum royalty to the drama, the pro-gram-drama goes deeper.. we release and absorb energy thu our hands, feet and crown chakras. thats energy from and to the earth, and energy from to above thu the crown centre on the top of our head. the christ on the cross has the effect of blocking our extremities, and thus our connection of our outer to our inner, and our inner to our outer. the result is... sad seperation. my theory on the spear in the side of chist is...its the solarplex centre. it relate to issue of power and manifestation, thus we are disempowered. and un-manifestered so to speak.

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hero

libramoon — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:23:27 GMT

hero

Pearls from the Sun
Diamonds from the Moon
Gold-dusted silks from
exotic worlds
Valued in danger, adventure
from there to here.
Fine old wood
mellowed with wisdom
tasting of Earth essence
silently regales with tales
old and pure.

Young Percival took knighthood seriously. To protect and to serve King and country.
The old King sickening, perhaps dying, soul sickness they said.
Crops failed. Floods and droughts, inopportune times. The peasants too sickened,
died, lived in dreadful poverty and despair.
In a dream, the young knight was shown the Grail -- shiny jewels upon a golden cup
self-generating elixir of immortality.
On awakening, he took off in the direction of adventure. He left the dying kingdom
to its own devices, in search of a promised land of magical curative power. He was
not thinking of King or country, but of a delicious ecstatic pounding he knew to be
his own heart.

Where do you ride, fair Percival?
Off to find the dreamer's Grail?
Learn your song and tell your tale.
Become a son of Sky and Earth
and rain
to return with all you gain
some wondrous day.
Break the spell.
Release the kingdom's pain.

He learned the ways of seers, demons, subtle sorceries and charms. Growing ever
stronger with healthy exercise and happy purpose, he made his way. Trial by
treacherous trial, he ever more closely approaches his prize.
These trials are the key. They test mettle while bestowing grace, confidence,
skill acquisition, glimmerings of wisdom. The prize glitters, shines, glows
brilliantly in the distance to maintain focus, a clear point, fixed star to contemplate
through twisting, turning, misty mythic pathways.
Sometimes the brick is yellow. Some paths are more intuitive, steps in the dark,
brambly forest.
Percival knows what a hero does. A hero perseveres. A hero scales the tower to free
the enchanted maiden, goes where others dare not because fear is a solid companion.
Daring, fighting, sometimes dazed, momentarily forgetting his cause, he perseveres.
He need but think to look to see his Grail shining, calling him forward.
Of course, he reaches the Grail, discovers the codes, incantations, disarms dragons,
ensorcels giants, generally blazes through to capture his dream.
Returning triumphant, he fixes the kingdom, drop-kicks the curse, cures the old King
of his soul malady, takes the throne to wisely guide into times of prosperity.
So the story goes.

http://emergingvisions.blogspot.com

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Scorpio revelations

libramoon — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:37:52 GMT

Screaming, our very sound
shatters the crystal of faith
our open mouths
creating sustenance

Part of a yet to be conceived rock opera about the last days of the US constitutional republic:

Infocontainment

Valerie Plame, Valerie Plame
The very fact that we all know your name
is a crime.
So, who's doing time?
American splendor
A pop carnavale
The greedy get famous
The poor rot in jail
The glitter and star light
is doing its job:
distract and divide while
they rape, kill and rob.

Is that a pimple on my face?
Oh, I'm such a big disgrace!
I can't keep it all together as I should.
The only explanation's I'm no good.
I want too much. I need to much.
I never learned to mind my p's and q's.
I didn't toe the line and pay my dues.
Now my dreams,
oozing day by day,
bleed out
with the atmosphere.
What am I even saying?
If the right people hear, surely
it's a treasonous crime.
And, unlike those Whitehouse lackeys
I may well end in a cell doing time.

(c) October 23, 2007 Laurie Corzett/libramoon

social fabric

Intricately woven
generation to generation
taking on the task

I was just watching a bit of a documentary on the worldwide energy issues. It was brought out in various ways that after the oil crisis of the late 70s ideas and inventions for alternative fuels were seriously taking off. Then, poof! Our energy policy become more tied to cheap oil (from Saudi Arabia) then ever. And the rest, in so many sad, sad ways, is history.

Chiron has been lately transiting my natal Mars. In all the other hubbub I hadn't really been thinking about this. However, I am very recently noticing a turning in my attitudes about anger. Memories have been coming up reframed, as well as mindscripts. I am seeing more accurately how in a misguided attempt to protect myself I have been holding grudges rather than allowing myself to see the current, updated situation in relationships. I also realized that a key turning point in my early life can be reframed and reconciled. At that time I made a conscious decision to hold my anger against myself in an attempt to gain control where I had none. That was a child's solution. It may be time to reexamine it in light of current life realities.

On a hunch I checked the ephemeris. Wouldn't you know it, that childhood incident occurred around the first time Chiron conjuncted my Mars.

My Samhainic Verse is based on my true life story, though since then I have been working with this myth in terms of the idea of balancing darkness and light. In fact, I am currently, internally, working on a novel in which the central character is a young woman named Persephone who has a pivotal reconciliation with her dying mother.

I've been seeing these dreams, to some extent, about the transition I am feeling from a more rational based to a more intuitive based way of living. In fact, I recently had a dream without water, but in which I left my packed suitcase in a room without a backward glance. I am feeling trepidation, and conflict over issues involving consensus reality versus personal integrity and finding my true vocation and worth. Of course, it's all very Neptunian, and hard to tell what is smoke, what is mirror, and what is revelation.

Dance with me
I'll hold you in ecstasy
whirling into a world so free
the music is all
Soul set free
while the music carries me
into places I need to see
without pain's deadly pall
Open my mind, my soul, my every desire
Keeping me warm in the hearth of internal fire
Dancing is magick, enthralled
in the music's grand call.

I don't know if there is an evil conspiracy, but there are certainly people who have power and work to keep it through manipulation of information.

I was watching a journalist on C-SPAN who wrote a series of articles about exploitation of workers in China. A caller brought up the view that it seemed as though the American people were being blamed for their desire for cheap goods. The caller's point was that we wouldn't need cheap Chinese goods if we had our old American manufacturing jobs with good pay and good products. It is not only others' cultures that are adversely affected by the pro-market globalization enterprise.

The US President seems like he has been treating his administration as a game, scoring points for his side by hook or by crook. This might be more charming if there were not so many deaths resulting from his strategies. All those soldiers destroyed as if mere game pieces. I guess, though, it's ok if you believe they are going to a better place. Like the suicide bombers are said to believe, so that all this bitterly painful destruction on Earth gets to better populate the respective Heavens. Who benefits? Well, who is getting all those 100s of billions of dollars we keep appropriating at the expense of our future and our sovereign state? Yet we were told that it would be a surgical operation, easy in and out. It would be over in a few months, and cost very little. We would be greeted as saviors and repaid in oil. We had the intelligence, the technology, and the high moral ground, remember? Way back in the winter of '03.

Anarchism is a theory of government, not economics. Anarchist communities can be created in small population groups of like-minded believers in individual-self-rule. The economics of the group could easily be handled by a kind of "green" capitalism, in which the costs to the commons is understand as an underlying precept. No one owns the common resources of our natural environment. Any use of such resources must be judicious, with a mind to renewability. These are not laws of government, but of enlightened self-interest which can be agreed upon by those who chose to interact for common benefit. This is not at all about redistribution, or distribution of resources. It is about the people who have the projects, do the work, use what they need, and give back what they take. More an ecosystem than a political one.

Having carefully considered my stance in the great political universe, I have for some time self-identified as a green libertarian. As little government as we can manage to actually create and maintain the social and physical infrastructure with an economic system based on pro-Earth, pro-commons principles.

"It is about, not becoming cogs or slaves to some ideal or structure, but each being free, secure, respected, supplying the fruits of their visions to an endeavor
in which all prosper, all have appropriate investment and return.
It's not even about compassion or empathy, and certainly not altruism."

This is not a liberal or socialist dream. It fully embraces the basic principles of capitalism (the "invisible hand" of the market whereby each person presents their goods/services that all may win-win) and libertarianism. It evokes the "commonwealth" as in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, etc. The idea is about free and equal individuals solving common problems together that each may include individual voice and concerns. It is the very basis of the US constitutional democracy, the underlying sentiment of the Declaration of Independence, the very juice that feeds the grandest possibilities and most personal dreams.

According to the 10th Amendment (which everyone seems to forget about), "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Apparently we are relinquishing the right to privacy with all the "Patriot" type laws and the inability of Congress to cope with claims of Executive privilege. Those of us who believe in personal choices, medical discretion, privacy and all the other values espoused and constitutionalized by the Founders need to show a lot more backbone than our so-called elected representatives and organize locally, state by state, world wide web, or wherever the fight goes. The 10th Amendment can be our friend.

I like Ron Paul for a lot of reasons. I totally love Kucinich, but his unfortunate appearance and mainstream view of him as nutball gives him a mighty uphill battle. Then, I think his talents really could be better used in the legislature or possibly a Cabinet position -- if only he could get his Department of Peace. Hillary seems to me to be just one of the boys playing their power games. Richardson's got some real pluses, but he comes off somewhat stumbling and confused on tv.

My support, as things seem now, goes to Obama. Not only is he electable, but he is a popularist, a humanist, a person who truly seems to embody what people said they wanted from Bush, someone who will work to bring people together around common goals. More importantly, he is an international man -- coming from a background in which he learned first-hand about the world outside the US in his formative years. He has family connections to Islam, which could make him less of an Us-against-Them threat to world leaders with whom we need to develop diplomacy. In fact, he gives the appearance of being a whole new type of American president to usher in a whole new type of American policy. I like that he immediately understood that inviting talks with leaders from unfriendly countries as a very early act in office is vitally important. All the posturing being done in our name has only increased ill-will and hostilities. I really like that he comes from community organizing roots and knows the real concerns of real people. I like that he is the father of two young girls, giving him the kind of compassion and hopes for the future that comes with parenthood. I like that he is so enthusiastic and charismatic and does that kind of Bill Clinton thing of making it about all of us. I am impressed by his organizing ability, his sleeves rolled-up demeanor, and his inspirational approach. Of course he's not perfect; nobody is. But he's a helluva lot better than what we often get as our voters' choice.

On Book TV today, discussing a book about Einstein, the author brought up that Einstein's time was one when there were all kinds of new thoughts permeating the ethos, a movement from classical thought to modern possibilities.

I find it interesting that big finance is having such a field day ripping off the low income people who are less likely to have the kinds of legal knowledge to adequately fight back. The result is, of course, a tanking economy for everyone but the power elite. There's the whole housing market mess, the vast amount of national and consumer debt, and the devastation of the infirm, such as these people having their small incomes stolen by the banks. Yet, it has become so much more difficult to live in this age without the bank account, so your checks can be cashed and your bills paid, or credit cards, which are required forms of payment or collateral everywhere you look.

Acetaminophen (did I spell that right, you know, Tylenol) is the gateway drug. They make little kids take it when they don't feel well. See kid, drugs will cure what ails you. Then, of course, there's the Ritalin, Prozac (and friends), and other anti-acting-up drugs. Not to mention the ubiquitous ads for pharmaceuticals.

space jam

NOW!
BAM!
POW!
I finally know who I am.
In the pie that's the sky
I'm made of the stuff of the jam.
Catch me in reason.
Coach me in rhyme.
I'll beat out my rhythm
in my own time.
Aware of the scat and the scam,
I'll wear a new vision,
revoke indecision,
take a resister's stand,
or just fall helter skelter
irresistibly into the jam.

You screaming, streaming being
jamming away into outer space
running full-tilt from the race
to conquest of non-quests
rather feeling the nonsequitor
as a golden, trojan door
for geeks, greaks, sneeky shieks,
seekers all.

touching skin to skin
is a thin garment, not nearly
akin
to the true warmth in
knowledge of kind
touching
mind to mind.

Caught up in the
interspace of jam
who I am
encompasses your
being as you are seeing
evanescent strands
exchanging ors for ands
all creating the divine.

Let's see. Mars went retro pretty much exactly opposing my Mercury. Over the past pretty much week I have been almost trance writing, bit by bit, a sci fi (visualized as) graphic novel. I can't recall ever having done this before. Mars is transiting my 7th House, which also houses my natal Uranus.

On Book TV recently there was a panel of "experts" speaking about the illegal immigration situation in the US, from various perspectives. I was not fully listening, engaged in conversation, but I noticed the speaker, who was coming from a perspective of legality and social consequences, using language indicating to me that her real agenda was, as so aptly summed up by the Mr./Mrs. Garrison character on "South Park": "Why can't we kill all the Mexicans?" Never mind that much of the US territory onto which southern neighbors move for jobs was once Mexico, or maybe that is exactly the point.

Again, on Book TV (and don't anyone try to tell me that television is rotting our minds, its all a matter of what you decide to watch), there was a discussion of historical evangelical movements. It was brought out that for many evangelicals today, the Islamo-Satanists are the biblical enemy, in the all out fight of God vs. Satan. That's why it doesn't matter that the Iraqis had nothing to do with attacking our World Trade Center -- they are all part of the same Satanic movement, as far as certain Christian leaders and their followers are concerned. It's not about freedom or terrorism or anything reasonable, rational or compassionate. It's about being a good, obedient child so Father won't need to punish us. It's about deflecting anger and hatred toward a definable evil of the other.

Whether or not killing a murderer is a deterrent to other would-be murderers is, to me, beside the point. There can be a vast variety of deterrents to socially unacceptable behavior, the most effective being actual social unacceptability. Giving the state that kind of unemotional power over our lives, not only bringing liability of a slippery slope in which actions punished by death could proliferate, is most certainly showing social acceptability of murder. Then, of course, there is the problem of uncertainty of guilt, prejudicial prosecution, lynch mob mentalities, and general condoning of violence for violence. I would be much more comfortable with a social outlook that took each case for itself, with a passion for justice and compassion to individual circumstance, rather than one based on faux scientific principles of cost/benefit analysis.

We could certainly define "soul" in ways that would indicate it as a fiction. The Behaviorists and other pseudo-scientific theorists have argued for a concrete, physically discernable reality. Of course, some can argue, depending on definition, that the soul is concrete and physically discernable.

Postulating "soul" to mean something other than consciousness, some non-physical, spiritual component of life, or that energy that is the force which is the spark of life, how can we imagine not having this, unless we were to believe ourselves unalive.

It seems to me that people basically start out with that openly aware spirituality as part of the general ambiance of being alive. Religion seems to be to some extent about herding, moving people together under a common rule of law, which could use distorted spiritual feelings/ideas as part of the rationale and ritual. Then, from this synthesis and antithesis, a person maturing beyond the fold may well learn to lose the binding of religious trappings and dogma, and find that spiritual ambiance has been right there all along.

Back in the early 60s, when I was in high school, I innocently wore a sweatshirt I liked to school. I knew girls couldn't wear pants, or skirts of other than a certain range of length, or a whole host of other requirements, but the sweatshirt, with a picture of a Peanuts character on the front and a quote from that subversive comic strip on the back seemed wholesome enough. The petty tyrant who was our assistant principal stopped me in the hall on my way to class and insisted I take off the shirt. I explained, more out of embarrassment that defiance, that I was not wearing ANYTHING underneath. He responded by sending me home for the day. How this improved anyone's education (except mine in handling authorities, perhaps) I have no idea.

A couple of years later, when my brother was in the same high school, the dress code was eliminated. My brother and his friends went to high school, boys and girls, generally in jeans and t-shirts. Their education did not suffer.

In these days of overreacting about everything, where children are expelled for accidentally having a butter knife in their backpack, or drawing a picture of a gun, or expressing anger in a less than mature verbal manner; or for that matter when shoes must be taken off at airports and baby bottles confiscated, a little sanity would be nice.

I have a character in my slowly forming novel in need of a fatal disease. She is a woman in her fifties, has known for maybe a year or so that she is dying and arranged for early retirement. She is slowly becoming more disabled. It is too late, or the disease is too incurable, for any hope of beating it. She is using alternative therapies for symptomatic relief. She has arranged to go to hospice at the end, but meanwhile is basically able to get around and be lucid needing little care.

Like you can't usually pick your relatives, you can't usually pick your co-workers. A bad work environment created by mean-spirited or out-of-control workers can be even worse than high school. It can put you in the double-bind of trying your best to adjust to impossible situations in order to be able to do a job you love and/or need. Employers ought to be aware that such situations are counter-productive, in a real and economically important way. I don't suppose people can be fired for these kinds of attitudes without clearly articulable illegal behaviors, but some kind of ameliorative supervision and support for harassed workers ought to be in place.

If I had the opportunity, I would make beautiful, on-target, highly persuasive television ads on a variety of high impact topics (as they arise in public discourse) to encourage open conversation, free thinking, and creative problem-solving, and pay to have them telecast on all the major networks several times a day during the height of the given topic's relevance.

Ah, the Cassandra syndrome (also enjoyed by that person in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy who had figured it all out just as the planet was destroyed). I'd simplify and clarify the concept as best I could and keep sending it out wherever it might find reception, then take whatever feedback might ensue and do the whole thing again. In the process, I would hope to find fellow travelers who might prove inspirational, or whom I might inspire.

Breathe in the inspiration. Breathe out the pain and confusion. Breathe in the beauty and awe. Breathe out the calcifying crud of certainty.

Trying to stretch the food dollar while eating healthfully can be difficult. Food coops help. Doing as much as possible yourself helps -- using the healthiest basic ingredients, and still doing your price comparison thing for what you do buy. However the comparison is dollar per healthy ingredient (two-pronged test) rather than just dollar value. Also, you might consider in general eating lower off the food chain, if you have the resources add to your larder with home gardening, if appropriate do a little neighbor to neighbor bartering. As an added benefit, cooking, gardening and learning about nutrition are excellent activities to share with kids.

Happiness is not lost, though we often are. We look for it in all the wrong places, when it was just there in the peaceful places so quiet we forgot.

Not only are illegal immigrants being paid for work performed, but they are often paid wages so low that US citizens would not be able to live on them. Because the cost of living is lower (along with the general lifestyle) in Mexico, it works out for them. Basically, though, it is the employer who is making out by getting the benefit of cheaper labor, much like those employers who deport jobs to India and other countries, or who buy cheap goods from China (despite their poisons). However, the Mexicans are able to do the jobs that can't be exported. If we were truly concerned, we would make sure our governments signed and observed trade agreements that were of benefit to the workers in all countries concerned. If we were all getting decent pay for decent work, it wouldn't matter so much which country it was being done in. Further, many illegal workers sacrifice the tax money taken out of their paychecks because they don't want to file for refunds and perhaps be found out. As for their healthcare and education, that is to our benefit to keep up the general health and education levels for everyone here thus promoting generally healthy living. As to what the Bible says, or how it is interpreted, we all know that any devil can take any scripture to make his own less than sterling point.

Don't worry, we have plenty of homegrown killers (not to mention "terrorists") even if we could manage to keep our borders secured.

Throw away your tv? Just what we need: more junk pollution. No need to throw the box to the landfill. Watch what you like, when you like, then unplug.

The majority of people with or without mental illness (and in a lot of ways the majority of the people might well be considered mentally ill depending on your definitions) don't commit violent crimes. The ones who do generally have a reason that could have been noticed -- not by keeping them under any kind of surveillance, but simply by promoting an environment of people who care. I have read some very intriguing articles by mental health researchers indicating that the best treatment for many of these disorders is not drugs or surveillance or years of treatment dependency, but the resiliency that comes from meaningful relationships, even if those relationships are with caring professionals.

Have you noticed how it is the Republicans who are constantly beating the "Hillary" drum -- insisting she will be the candidate to beat, trying to turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy because they already have the talking points mapped out?

Clinton machine? Afraid? Can you say "straw man"? Can you say: wtf???? I never heard of anyone anywhere any time who had any fear of the big bad Clinton. Maybe you are having a projected paranoid fantasy? Or maybe you are merely insularly misinformed? As to handing down a dynasty father to son ... I have no interest in voting for Hillary Clinton for plenty of reasons having nothing to do with the Republican talking points. My problem with the Republicans, by the way, is that I can't find any actual Republican candidates (except maybe Ron Paul) who actually stand for the old-fashioned, conservative Republican values, like states rights, and free market capitalism (as opposed to corporate fascism) or liberty generally.

In a lot of ways, especially fiscal, Bill Clinton (and most likely Hillary as well) is a "conservative ideologue" -- which did not stop me from voting for him twice, for other reasons, and because to some extent I agree with conservative fiscal policy. (I actually agree with old school conservative fiscal policy, and a lot else, but I digress.) I don't agree with the whole PNAC take over the world thing they're into. I don't agree with the fearmongering tactics. I don't agree with their analysis of the Social Security system.

There is no need to "fix" Social Security. The problem here is not in the program, but in the demographics. The real concern would be the lack of labor force in comparison to retirees leaving too few people to take up the work that will need to be done, especially in light of the needs of the aging, retired population for services, and thus also lowering the tax base. As many people are indeed more able to work
for longer years, the rationale for raising the retirement age would be to keep more people in the workforce doing the work. However, this could also be accomplished by immigration policy to bring in more younger workers.

My big peeve about the Social Security system is the cap on income eligible for payroll taxation. If we took the tax all the way to the last dollar, there would be plenty available to seriously lower the percentage of taxation, taking more of the burden off of the lower paid workers.

If the cap were completely removed, and the percentage of earnings were taken up to the last dollar, or even if there were some kind of donut hole for some predetermined wage level, the percentage taken from each would be much lower. Thus, the self-employed person who know has to cover both the employer and employee taxes might well end up paying significantly less in payroll taxes.

It is easier to lead in the direction that you would naturally be heading.

Good parents are attached to their kids for life in a kind of symbiotic love tie. It's the only relationship that can't truly be severed

I am convinced that the only way to truly move on from addictive behavior is to find something so much more important that the object of addiction becomes meaningless.

Something about lighting a candle to send forth a prayer of peace rather then cursing in the dark? May candles light candles throughout the land creating a brilliant chain of peace.

a thousand lights of peace may bloom
and then a billion more
moving our hearts/minds/souls into
a happier healthier wiser world

Sure kids can be depressed, but is that any reason to muck around with their fragile developing psyches with drugs that we do not even really know how or if they work? If a child is exhibiting symptoms that are interfering with their lives, perhaps they could benefit from a truly caring adult with whom they can share and work out their concerns. In general, I think it is criminal to force young children, biologically designed to be moving and learning kinetically, to sit for hours without appropriate exercise, which could be as simple as dancing around for a few minutes between lectures. There is also the pervasive problem of too much sugar in our youngsters' diets making them prone to sugar crashes, which are in fact physical depression. What kind of society bemoans the use of recreational chemical self-medication to the point of imprisoning a large percentage of the population, but insists our children's behavior be regulated chemically because we don't want to take the time to deal with their actual situations one on one?

I recently read an article pointing out that drs often do not take full consideration of the miseries of side effects to the drugs they prescribe. In general, I would think it best to take as little as will be reasonably effective, and work to ameliorate symptoms with alternative/complementary therapies such as meditation, rhythmic exercise, appropriate nutrition (some foods are natural mood stabilizers), self-help groups, etc.

Dancing is a way to a natural high, in a very physical, neurological sense. It is a spiritual tradition from the beginning of human spiritual traditions, a very direct moving meditation, a simple while profound means to expel or expand emotional energy, and a great way to exercise.

Sounds like your witch had a lot to learn from her spiritual path, if she ever would. Being that kind of disorganized, neurotic, somewhat desperate type of person is not derived from asserted religious traditions, nor gender, ethnic background or any of that. It is more likely derived from a dysfunctional homelife or other problems in gaining maturity. A lot of kids who have resentments against their mainstream religion parents seem to like to assert a belief in witchcraft or other minority religions. However, that doesn't mean they actually know very much about their chosen tradition.

This never was a war in any classic or non-Dumptyian sense (as in Humpty Dumpty in "Alice" who insisted a word meant exactly what he said it meant, also see "Torture"). It was an invasion of a sovereign on flimsy, manufactured and manipulated "evidence" and occupation to inflame disruption. There are motives of oil and permanent military bases in the Middle East, but mostly vast profits to be made off the backs of ordinary Americans for quasi-military and corrupt reconstruction operations. There's also that thing of hyping the amorphic, easily malleable, and probably ever-lasting "war on terror," as if terror, a mental state, is a thing to make war on. Someone on another group asked if others thought that there is an evil conspiracy at the top manipulating information to maintain and increase power. I'm not so sure it is that cut and dried, but those who are in positions of power don't seem to have any real interest in what is right or in the interests of the rest of us. They do manipulate information, and fog up the facts with factoids and talking points. They insist on all kinds of crazy powers because they need to save us from terrorist plots, when the 9/11 warning was right there, given to the President and his associates before the fact, but they refused to act. Sometimes I think that it was allowed to happen because it served so many interests so well. They are doing their best to turn America into a police state, Iraq into a failed state, Iran into a puppet state, and Israel into the state of end-day prophecies. Don't worry, though, China will be ready to take charge as the big colonial empire soon.

There is nothing insane about impeachment. It is a constitutional means to deal with leaders who think they are above the Constitution. As to the ufo thing, there's quite a lot out there that has not been identified, including quite a lot of illegal activities by the current Executive Branch. I know, he has that unfortunate elfishness and people like to make fun of Kucinich, but he speaks a lot more clearly, accurately, and sanely than most of the candidates.

Religious beliefs are like opinions. We are each entitled to our own, and each entitled to change them. Personally, I am a polytheist. I believe all the beliefs are valid, depending on where you hold your attention. Church, however, is not so much about belief as community. We come together in community to worship in common structured ritual with others whom we believe to share our beliefs.

I am a polytheist -- an infinite variety of godheads: no waiting, no wasting time in hating. Btw, I was just listening to a radio show featuring a physicist talking about why the universe has (our universe?) the necessary conditions for life. Well, duh, obviously the universe supports life, or there would be none. There doesn't have to be a why.

The world's a stage, as all theater people well know. Those who act out roles as artistry give more wonder and wisdom to us all.

The thing with life is that it is not one thing, but multiply layered. There is that layer we tend to think of as real which is anything but, media hype and social constructs. There is the layer of the natural world, which is where the more fundamental reality resides.

Nobody goes to heaven or hell, we have to create them.

The stories we are told and tell ourselves in fact create, to an overwhelming extent, what we perceive to be our reality.

We can all be inspirational leaders when we ourselves have opened our lives and purpose to inspiration. A lot of times people with excellent ideas need some help with organizing their project; and people organizing projects need the energy and ideas to expand their scope. An enlightened leader, I think, can compassionately embrace fears and limitations, transforming that energy into useful action.

A lot of people promote "instant run-off voting" so a vote for a less likely candidate wouldn't be wasted, encouraging a greater diversity in choice.

There is so much more to wealth
than money can ever buy or recompense.
Cold coins, lifeless bits of green,
unable to feed or shelter or inspire,
of so much less value
than autumn leaves or your excited smile.

unsettling images, memories, tests of faith and progress
walking the boundaries, spilling poison to dissuade
intrusion, to keep home what is left
yet, the stranger's call, so sweet, so inviting
hear the call to faith, to progress, to images, to
memories to be created
together, in a larger landscape

Life light, life dark, life twilight, life portrayed in rainbow array
Time may dance away in colors, receding firework displays
Mirrors into mirrors, infinite
reflection, memory, dream, intent

Wisdom, so common yet so fragile and rare,
peeking out of storybooks, popular lyrics,
offhand remarks.
Days go on and often with little thought
wound up in routine, dance steps to
elevator music, or music only recalled.
Then, on a silent walk to some unsung errand,
bursts of beatific choirs take flight,
circling like mythic birds of joy.

I saw Ralph Nader on C-SPAN earlier. He spoke, among other issues, of the hold on US politics and policies of corporate interests and their funding of candidate campaigns for Republicans and Democrats alike. It was part of a wonderful response to a disgruntled ex-fan over the whole 2000 election myth ("A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.").

Why can't everyone get the medical care they need? Is it that some are deserving of health and others not? I got thinking about something said on C-SPAN by Ralph Nader when he was talking about his book on his family's traditions. In his home town, his father took him around one day to see all the community institutions. Each had been built by wealthy families or individuals who took pride in giving back to their community. This included the local hospital.

My thought continued, why does each community not have a full-service medical facility, created and paid for by that community, through grants, philanthropy, subscriptions, fund raisers, whatever each community comes up with. Costs could be kept low. Those who didn't have the money at all could be given individually designed payment plans, or get their costs offset by others' contributions. Each community clinic could be designed to provide the kinds of services needed by that community, with changes coming into play as community needs change.

Everyone getting health care would mean more of us would be generally healthier, thus cutting down tremendously on the cost for all. The real practices, however, that would save us all financially (in a variety of ways) as well as in all the benefits of a healthier population, would be do deemphasize the quick pharm fix and promote more "alternative" and lifestyle therapies, as well as better information to the general public about healthier alternatives and self-care.

We all have the cancer potential from which our immune systems, when working well, protects us. In fact, we all have vast numbers of potentially disease-causing agents in and around us all the time. Building our immune system is not just about good nutrition and avoiding toxins. The biggest enemy of our immune system is chronic, untreated stress. Of course we cannot (nor would we really want to) eliminate stress from our lives. We can treat the stress with relaxation techniques, appropriate exercise, and enjoyable activities that get our hearts, heads and minds moving.

I was having a conversation this evening about the mindset of some religious fundamentalists, very like that of abused children. This makes sense, because many of them have been through that experience, needing desperately to figure out how to please the Father to avoid perhaps life-threatening, certainly painful, punishment. Counter-intuitively (or maybe not), abused kids tend to identify strongly with the abuser, defend him/her, believe (and exonerate) the punishment was merited by the abusee's bad behavior, or sins of omission or commission. A common relief strategy is to, while striving to live up to impossible standards, throw blame and a need for retribution onto others whom they see as not following the prescribed behaviors.

This conversation was instigated by a Book TV talk about historical evangelical movements. The author/lecturer, explaining the popularity of non-religious-right Rudy Giuliani, said that there is more concern to defeat the Islamo-Satanists than to have a pro-life President. The war against Islam is very seriously a religious war, so secular arguments fall on deaf ears.

"Conservatism" used to mean: conserving natural resources, fiscal responsibility, following fundamental principles of fairness and good sense, working to build up value over time through attention to detail and creating goodwill, staying out of others' fights, keeping violence as a very last resort, minding one's own business, and respecting the rights and self-expression of others.

If a tree falls in a forest, it physically makes a sound. All the forest creatures could here it. Postulating a forest without creatures, just a falling tree, it would still make a sound. Soundwaves circulate possibly forever.

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dream of transformation

libramoon — Sat, 03 May 2008 04:41:17 GMT

I'm not sure if this post better belongs here or on the Pluto transits tribe, but here it is.

I was dreaming that I was walking along a verdant highway shoulder with my brother and his wife. She was asking about my mental health issues. I explained to her that I was coming to the realization that I was no longer "sick." I had gone through a long healing process. Now I was not a sick person healing, but a new person I had not been before. My task now was to learn how to be that person effectively.

As I was saying this last bit, she let us know that we needed to cross the highway here, to get to a place she wanted us to enjoy in the woods on the other side. She and my brother raced across when she said: "now." However, I got caught by traffic that came up on my too quickly. I have a recurring dream situation in which I am trying to get across a street or some such and find my feet somehow glued or tarred, unable to move. I remembered that and expected this situation to ensue. However, to my surprise, I found I was able to, lane by lane, cross the highway after waiting for the oncoming traffic in that lane to clear. I woke up before reaching the other side.

Peace,
libramoon

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Like a zombie, the zombies have risen from the grave

DrSoda — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:07:46 GMT

For several years, from the late 90s up until 2005 I dreamt frequently of zombies. The scenarios were myriad and they weren't always threatening, but regardless of what kind of zombie representation or situation I found myself in, the fact of the matter is that they were by far one of the most common memorable dream elements I've had.

After I moved away from my hometown, the zombies left. For about two years, there was scarcely a zombie to be seen anywhere in my dreamscape. Perhaps this is partly due to the fact that I simply don't remember my dreams as vividly as I used to, but that is not the entirity of it for certain. What I can say is that the zombies are slowly coming back, bursting out of the grave that has entombed them for the past several years. So many aspects of my life are so much better now than they ever were before I moved. Many of the reasons I had thought they were in my psyche are no longer with me, and yet here they return.

Curious.

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dream spirit

libramoon — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:35:11 GMT

In my dream:

I was in college and working for a professor. There was a Pakistani woman who shared a psychology class with me, and was a student of the professor I worked for. My parents came to visit, and she was somehow in the hotel room with us. I talked with my brother about this in another room in the same hotel. Then, she and I were in a car, both passengers, on the way to class. Outside the classroom, she was a nun. She held me closely and beseeched me to come with her to church. I told her I had to get to class, but would go with her afterwards.

This was as Venus conjuncted my natal Jupiter, while trining to Mars.

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dream readers please read

Saint — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:29:43 GMT

When I was a child I suffered from nightmare. Every night without fail my night nares would be so bad that I would refuse to fall asleep. Its been almost 12 year sense I had a night mare as intense as the two I had last night.

The first nightmare: I got up out of bed dressed myself in my oldest clothing (UFO’s and a tattered black sweater, all black) I then put on all the necklaces I own ( which are many). The next thing I know im watching myself stand up in a row boat floating in the middle of round lake, I shackled cinder blocks to my ankles and my wrists and threw myself in. The chains on my feet were shorter then the ones on my wrists and this left me floating at an angle close to the surface but not close enough to breath. The last thing I thought was “ I look so pretty like this, I wish someone could take a picture” I awoke and walked out to my kitchen for water (I think) when I reached the kitchen I heard voices I didn’t recognize and could not tell the origin of and the light switch wouldn’t work. Staring in to the black I became over come with fear, I turned to go back to my room, as soon as I did I felt a powerful sensation as if some one had pinched the back of my neck and it moved through my body, steadily slowing me down. I made it to the hall way before I was almost completely immobile. With the last pit of freedom I had I reached for the hall light switch convinced that if I could just turn the light on this would stop. I just made it to the light switch and as you may have guessed the damn thing wouldn’t work. I tried to scream for help but I now found myself unable to breath. Then my feet slowly lifted off the ground until I was at that same angle as before. I awoke (for really this time) Gasping for air.

The second night mare I had last night effected me so badly that I cant really type it without feeling sick. The highlight were as follows. I found my girl with another man. She told me that she was screwing him at the same time as me and that he probable wasn’t the father of my child but she wanted him to adopt her because he was going to be a doctor and I was worth nothing. When I asked her how she could do this to me she said that she changed as a person and the new person she was fell in love with me and now she changed again and I don’t fit in her new life.
I awoke from this dream sobbing and could not bring myself to stop for 40 minutes.

Im desperate my only hope is that your thoughts can save me. You see im praying for many responses before I sleep again because as I said before I haven’t had a night mare that powerful sense I was a child, if the past has taught me anything about powerful night mares they will come back for me and really dont think i can fight back against nightmares this strong. im not fucking kidding when I say im very scared to fall back to sleep.

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Introduction and Invitation

Leigh — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:54:59 GMT

Hi there:

I'm a brand new member of tribe (have been surfing/lurking for a bit and enjoying conversations here and in other psychology forums), and wanted to introduce myself -- and, in completely forward way, share an invitation to another conversation.

I'm an imaginer and frivolateur, with a Ph.D. from Pacifica Graduate Institute in myth studies and psychology and a deep commitment to the point of pointlessness. (A happy existentialist, perhaps?) I'm the founding fomenter of an effort called The Imaginal Institute -- we do gatherings, online learning, and soon will be leaping fearlessly into the world of publishing, all with the idea that if we can find ways to strengthen, support, and celebrate imagination, we might just have a shot at changing the world. (And, as a close second goal, have big fun as we do so.)

I'm delighted to be here, and to see that there are conversations about memories, dreams, and reflections that are this vibrant.

I also wanted to invite anyone who might be interested to a free online conversation that we're hosting about the work and contexts of James Hillman. He's being celebrated at a gathering in Pittsburgh in June and with a book of essays by some fabulous scholars/long time buddies about the impacts of his ideas on their own work. Stan Marlan, who is a fabulous Jungian analyst in Pittsburgh is hosting the event and editing the book. To support both of these efforts, the Imaginal Institute is hosting this conversation to play with some of these ideas (and some of the scholars who have contributed to the book).

It starts on February 1 and runs for seven weeks, as a forum. If you're interested, please join us! I think it's going to be intriguing, and is a chance to mind-dance with some really interesting folks in the field.

You can find out more information at http://www.imaginalinstitute.com/hillmanconversation.htm

Best,
Leigh

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Sea

Lori — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:06:11 GMT

i keep having the same dream where im standing in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by a big body of water, which is dark blue and there is nothing else. i just try to ran away from the huge tides that seems to be swallowing me. can anyone tell me what this means? by the way, i cant swim.

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eclipse dream

libramoon — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:58:56 GMT

back at the last eclipse (some may remember the date, 9/11) I awoke shortly after the eclipse presumably passed, so noted what I had been dreaming. I have been having this series of dreams (nonrepetitive, just similar) about seeing beautiful bodies of water in resort or at least temporary domiciles. So, again, I was at some kind of summer home with two men who were very close friends in the dream, but whom I have never met in rl. It was the end of the season, so we were to leave soon. We had a pick-up truck into which we were putting our belongings to travel (presumably home). We went out to the water, a lovely stream under a river with a waterfall. I swam peacefully, feeling very content and exhilarated. We went back to the room, and discussed why we shouldn't just take what we wanted, and leave the mess (our belongings were scattered throughout the room quite messily) behind. A young woman, apparently the manager, said we had to take responsibility for our own shit, not leave it for someone else. The next scene, apparently we had taken care of whatever was necessary and were involved in an impromptu hall party with the other season residents, very smoky and lascivious.

Since then, though, I am still having dreams about temporary residences and dealing with packing up possessions, though I can't recall the swimming part. and the situations seem less congenial.

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dream walkers

Anni — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:15:52 GMT

I knew this guy,a scorpio by the way.I would have these dreams where we were talking then I would see him,and he would pick up exactly where we had left off in the dream.I often would recieve clues as to where he'd be,and there were so many synchronicities around our connection that it was ridiculous!The thing is I hardly know him!Wierd huh?Anybody have any take on this,or a similar experience to share?

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Jung, Crop Circles and the Archetypal Feminine (Readers sought!)

Gee — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:54:40 GMT

Howdy Jung-tribeans:

I am currently completing a book looking at Crop Circles from a Jungian perspective (an adaptation of my MA thesis) trying to place this world "dream" into the context of world reality. I look at the science and history of the phenomenon and then move on to consider its fundamental symbols the circle (which is related to what Jung called the Self archetype - that part of us that seeks our growth into greater wholeness) and grain (which is related to the archetypal Feminine - a quality that is both repressed and yet presently emergent in our culture). I believe that Jung, Crop Circles and the Archetypal Feminine are profoundly interrelated to this moment in our history. This book is an attempt to build a framework for reader's consideration of this mysterious phenomenon and its symbols.

At this time, I would love to get feedback from any interested readers. Send me a note and I'll send some of it along to you.

Gee

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New Tribe: Personality Theatre

sleepwalking — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:01:33 GMT

With the moderator's permission I'd like to introduce a new tribe, entitled Personality Theatre.

Description:

"We constantly produce a display, a theatrical scene. For each situation we create the appropriate backdrop and the appropriate lighting. We also have the appropriate actors, mainly ourselves, who appear on the stage. We carry on this kind of play, this theatrical game, so to speak, to feel out the total effect our stage set is having."
-Chogyam Trungpa

A place for the discussion of illusion, delusion, spiritual materialism, creation of personality, destruction and transformation of personality, magic, magick, funhouses, tricksters, labyrinths and carnivals of all sorts...mostly in relation to the growth and evolution of our inner and outer selves.

Essentially, a place to wonder about the masquerade of daily living...for the play we put on for ourselves and others.
(Wasn't that a wonderfully theatrical summation?)
http://tribes.tribe.net/personalitytheatre

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Myers-Briggs as a crutch.

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 04:32:01 GMT

As much as I enjoy hearing from other ISFP's like me I've never made Myers-Briggs my religion. I know someone who has lost control and began living life labeling people as one of the sixteen personalities, to the point she just guesses what someone is. Do you know someone who has taken a personality test and turned it into a way of life? It seems debilitating in all facets of life. Sort of a crutch if you ask me.

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University of Kent at Canterbury

sleepwalking — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:08:22 GMT

Anyone heard of/researched/looked into the programs at this university? They have an MA program in Mysticism and Religious Experience as well as Cosmology and Divinity...looks interesting.

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lesbian dream

libramoon — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:26:02 GMT

now that I have your attention:

I have been having non-memorable dreams, except for the repetitive bathroom thing which is no doubt about not wanting to wake up to pee. Then, in the last couple of sleep cycles (I'm nocturnal, so it's days not nights when I sleep), there was this very clear scene. I was at a gay bar, where I was picked up by a very aggressive woman. We were talking over drinks and she made it clear that she was not into a relationship or talking about feelings, but just a sexual encounter. I went back to her room, which overlooked a ocean view. I was quite taken by the surging waves and said how much I enjoyed the sea. She pulled me onto the bed and undressed. I was very disappointed to see that she was flat-chested, and wanted to leave, but felt obligated to fulfill my sexual promise. So, I woke up.

Any comments?

Peace,
libramoon

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a dream from commondreams

libramoon — Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:52:46 GMT

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/23/2704/

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OBE

Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:23:04 GMT

Last night I had my very first out of body experience.
It started with a lucid dream. I requested a lucid dream right before I went to sleep, because I didn't have any lucid dreams for years.
But it turned into an OBE.

At first I was dreaming about something stupid. Then suddenly I was lying in bed again and there were four spiders dangling from the ceiling, right above me (I'm terrified of spiders). I was concious of the fact that I was dreaming and could manipulate all of it.
So, I wanted to roll over on my side, so that I couldn't see the spiders anymore. But it was like my soul rolled over, and my body remained lying on its back. So I couldn't see anymore, because I was looking (from the inside) at the left side of my skull.
Then I sat up straight, and I looked back and I saw my own face, still asleep. I looked at the spiders and they had changed, they were now toy spiders.
What I found weird was that my soul could still feel that my body was tired. It could feel its tired eyes and lack of movement.
I got up and walked around my room. I felt really "light" while still being in contact with my physical body.
It was damned relieving.

Share your OBEs!

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Dreams and mental illness

Kathleen — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:07:49 GMT

Hello!

I'm a dream therapist and I'm considering working with a couple of residents at my work who are diagnosed with mental illnesses. I've been considering how to do this safely, considering that working with unconscious energy can cause psychosis! I've only worked with non-psychotic people and I use various techniques.

I'd like to hear advise from people who either actively work with dreams, can give specific references to Jung or other Jungaians on the topic of mental illness, or people who have worked with this population.

Thank you!
Kathleen

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Same theme in my dreams...

Katalyst9 — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:29:40 GMT

Dated someone briefly and I had several dreams about him while we were together and afterwards. In one of the first dreams he was discussing funeral arrangements with me and then last night I dreamt that he had a fish tank and didn't change the water, I went to figure out how to get clean water and when I came back he was lying at the bottom of the tank 'asleep.' Any ideas..

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Pregnancy dreams

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:29:10 GMT

I had my latest two nights ago - in the dream, it "was" today in the dream though, Friday the 13th, and I was walking around a shopping mall, trying to induce labor. My husband was pissed because our kid was gonna have the 13th stigma... it was funny at the time. I was very matter-of-factly going about the business of happily producing offspring.

I found myself very anxious upon waking because I have felt very content to have my stepson of 10 years in my life and I have absolutely no desire to host a life form in my body (to put it mildly, so as not to offend anyone with how I "really" feel about it). But later as the sleep fog wore off and the dream didn't seem so real, of course some thoughts came to mind.

This seems to me an example of a kind of genetic memory or imprint... the drive of DNA to replicate itself. I don't see that as much of a stretch, as a healthy 30 year old woman. Surely now's about the time that clock goes off, I suppose. But it annoys me - I end up feeling guilty for choosing not to have kids, and question my reasons for not wanting to. And now, two days later I'm just pissed that I spent so much time in the last 48 hours contemplating the whole thing.

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thought of the day for you

jade moon — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:48:16 GMT

Those who look without, dream.
Those who look within, awaken.

CG Jung

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Help me figure out a reoccuring dream...

Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:17:30 GMT

Night before last, I had a dream of my husband cheating on me with his ex. (He's never ever given me any reason to think he's cheating in real life and we just celebrated 10 years of marriage). Then last night, I had another cheating dream but this time it was a movie star that cheated on me. What's with all the cheating?
Thanks,
Ahna

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Re-occuring dream object

Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:14:49 GMT

Hi there, I'm new here and I'd like to ask you all a question.

In my dreams I often visit really dirty and gross toilets. They might be in my mother's 'house' (it doesn't look like her house), or in this gigantic public restroom. There's faeces everywhere and they're not private at all. It's like one big gathering, and everyone is chatting amongst themselves, while I'm trying to do my 'thing'.
There are also sometimes rusty, disgusting bathtubs involved.

I'm not really sure what this might mean, but as it keeps coming back, I think I need to understand what it means. Can anybody help me?

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Ideas for Contemporary Morality Story / Fine Art Photo Shoot

archetypalimage — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:01:10 GMT

I need your help - your brainstormed ideas . . .

I am starting to organize a story that is a morality play or sorts for my 6 year old Godson, whom I coparent. It will include a yound man setting off in the world and encountering archetypal beings and situations that engage him and end up teaching him somthing essential about living a fulfilling life. the main character will be discussing these situations and beings with a wise person from time to time. I am an artist. You can see some of my work on my profile pics. I will be doing a photo shoot (B&W infrareds) for every chapter in the story. I will be compiling the story and images into a small, hand bound book. I'l make about 100 editions of the book.

What I need help on is the story:
* What do you think the most important things are to learn and integrate to live a fulfilling life?
* What are the best ways to deal with disapointment and loss, with death?
* What are the most essential archetypal situations that teach us the most about living a fulfilling life?
* What archetypal characters teach us the most about living a connected, passionate, and loving life?
* What situations would you create to teach the main Character the foundations of a connected, passionate, and loving life?

Any ideas will be most appreciated.

~ Daniel

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Myers-Briggs Over-rated?

sturmeyarcher — Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:28:18 GMT

~ Or, might there be some sort of "cultural bias" in it? (I am often somewhat on the periphery of contemporary popular culture.)

I ask because, when I take tests of this sort I often struggle to imagine myself in the scenarios proposed in the test questions. Or, there doesn't seem to be enough information present with which to answer the question (too many unknown variables.)

~Perhaps this is merely a characteristic of my "type"?

The mental contortions I have to perform to imagine those scenarios makes me doubt the veracity of the results.

Or am I just trying to undermine the test because of some sort of resistance (to being "typed"?)

Consequently, I often place very close to the median between one category or another.

I didn't think much of the M-B when I took it years ago, but since then I've been surprised to notice how ubiquitous it's become.

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Riding on an old wooden door!

cassy — Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:49:34 GMT

I had another amazing dream this morning....

I was in the country town where I was born.... and I was trying to get home from a meeting...
I was riding on a wooden door - it was upright and the pedals were wooden rosettes on either side of the door that I had to gently push forwards so that the small wheels would turn.....It was a delicate procedure.

I had to get off the bike and wheel it down the stairs of an outdoor market shopping area. I became aware that I was riding a bike like no other... I became aware of myself and thought how odd and old fashioned I must look but no-one was really taking much notice.... I wheeled my door past a car-park where a woman (work colleague but cant quite put a face to it) called out to me and told me that I am doing a great job in my work to transform the organisation I manage (in waking life this is true I am changing the culture of an organisation). I thanked her and felt good that I had made others feel good... Then I turned the corner and rode onto the open busy road.... It looked familiar.

I was travelling from west to south, towards my home... Then I looked up and saw the most amazing group of small clouds with huge round rain drops coming out of them and moving towards me.... They glissened in the sunlight coming from the side, they looked like soft bubbles with something in them..... Olives, they had olives in them....! As the clouds came closer, I felt the olives brush ever so gently across my face.... AND I WOKE UP!

Wow, I have no idea, although when writing this I thought that the Dr Haushca facial products I had used the day before may have an influence.... I took all of my staff to have a facial as a team development excercise and their faces totally transformed :D

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Danger...

Greg — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:26:04 GMT

Ran across this from Jung:

"How often have I wished to get rid--so it seemed to me--of some absolutely harmful tendency in a patient, and yet in a deeper sense he was perfectly right to follow it. I want, for instance, to warn somebody of the deadly danger he is running into. If I am successful I think it was a fine therapeutic achievement. Afterwards I see--if he did not take my advice--that it was just the right thing for him to run into this danger. And this raises the question: did he not ..have.. to be be in danger of death? If he had dared nothing, if he had not risked his life, perhaps he would have been poorer by a supremely important experience. He would never have risked his life and therefore would never have gained it."

[ From: Good and Evil in Analytical Psychology ]

Put that one in your 401K and smoke it...!

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Tap Dancing in a Silver Dress

cassy — Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:00:06 GMT

I had an amazing dream the other night....

I was in a hotel with a man I didnt know very well but I felt comfortable with him... We were walking down a corridor in the hotel and as we did we came across members of my family one after the other. I was very surprised that this man knew my brothers and they in turn new him..... I was very glad to see them and to see that they knew this man and were warm and open to him.... Out of the corner of my eye I saw my mother in the corner of the bar, well, I didnt literally see her but I saw her green recycling bag on a table which I new was hers.... I thought, "oh, we must invite mum into the group...."
Next thing she emerged breaking into a tap dance wearing a long sparkling silver dress, silver shoes, and twirling what looked like a silver marching girls baton. Well, we all broke into laughter.... She was amazing (in real life she is very gregarious and loves to dance). She had the biggest grin on her face and was very pleased in entertaining us....
We laughed and laughed..... and then I woke up...

[I have a lot of dreams of being in hotels as I grew up in one from about age 9 - 15]

I am interested in peoples impressions of my dream....

Cheers

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Case studies online

ipcz — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:55:30 GMT

There are some really good case studies online at www.psychresources.net

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another liminal poem

libramoon — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 05:42:26 GMT

Legends

I rode far upon a mare of the night
she of high fame and noble descent
snorting displeasure at my feeble attempt
to guide by the stars her unfettered flight.
We ventured to caverns lit by bright vermin.
We enjoyed the charm of enchanting seers.
I held the heart of folk I held dear in a dream
carried lightly in my pocket, yet far too near,
for the fear came upon me
again and again that I might fail, might fall,
might show a crack of desperation
and who could love me now?
Who could find me bare and broken,
hear the words I could not speak,
recite the words that I must hear
to retrace, to find my place,
back again on the sacred mare,
back on my sacrificial journey?
Love becomes too great a luxury.
I must be free to name my price.
I travel the vast reaches of space for you.
I delve into my deepest pain to hold out
painted posies, dripping in consecrated wine.
Where would I not rush in if I could blast the barriers
to bring your treasure, wrapped in shining glory?
Alas, Alack, these treasures I demand in your honor
are not those of your own demand.
Again I face you bent and bowed with empty hand.
I ride off astride my plucky equine avatar.
She is, as it has turned, my only friend.
Our adventures become legion, become legend.
I'll not be bringing home that story.

(c) March 31, 2007 Laurie Corzett/libramoon

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CG Jung the wisdom of the dream

christian — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:59:13 GMT

A documentary on dreams:

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-1906368871646590444&hl=fr

That's part I, I'll try and post the rest of it when I get the chance..
Enjoy

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strange experience

libramoon — Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:32:54 GMT

Pluto is conjunct my Sag. Asc. and square my Libra Moon. Then there's all the transiting aspects to my natal Pluto abounding: Saturn conj., Neptune opp., Jupiter trine. Might be nothing really, but I acquired some mysterious illness on Tuesday/Wed. carrying over (only a bit) still which has me very queasy, weak, light-headed, low-energy. I don't think I had a fever, but earlier in the week I experienced some "hallucinations" while lying in bed in the dark. There were these successions of heads, faces coalescing and changing, mouths opening wide and wider taking over the whole head and dissolving. I felt (or interpreted in my mind wanderings) like I am dissolving, or at least some part of me is.

I'm just wondering if anyone has some insight.

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from _Stolen Lightning: The Social Theory of Magic_

libramoon — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:32:22 GMT

from _Stolen Lightning: The Social Theory of Magic_ (c) 1982 by Daniel Lawrence O'Keefe, pp. 96-98

How Magic Works: A Sociological Explanation

* * *

The normal cognitive frame is not merely a social construction; it is an abstract construction and extremely fragile. When the framework is even slightly disturbed, an "altered state of consciousness" supervenes, according to one current conceptualization. It is extremely easy to alter the framework. I. First of all, the state of attention that sustains it can be altered, to use the summary of Arnold M. Ludwig, 1. by reduction of exteroceptive or motor stimulation (e.g., sensory deprivation, highly patterned data as in ganzfeld, boredom, highway hypnosis, hypnopompic of hypnogogic states, sleep, immobilization, etc.); 2. by increase of stimulation (excitement from overload, crowd contagion, ecstatic trance, inner turmoils, berserk, latah, whitico psychoses, acute schizophrenic states, etc.); 3. increased alertness or mental involvement (e.g., long watches, mental absorption, listening to charismatic speakers, etc.); 4. decreased alertness or relaxation of critical faculties (passive states like satori, samadhi, nirvana, cosmic consciousness, brown study, reverie, autohypnotic trances, music trance, etc.); 5. presence of somatological factors (drugs, hypoglycemia, dehydration, hyperventilation, temporal frontal lobe seizures, dreamy states, etc.). But all this can be reversed to emphasize the fragility of the social frame and the inputs constantly necessary to sustain it: adequate stimulation, adequate attention, adequate somatological basis, etc.

* * *
... Part of the tension between magic and religion is due to the comparatively greater use that magic deliberately makes of frame-relaxing phenomena which religion attempts to control. Churches try to monopolize magic in part because they are always suspicious of these phenomena, even of mysticism. Framework of orientation of the religious worldview always remains closer to the frame of the paramount reality, which used to nest within it; whereas magic purposely cultivates paranormal phenomena in experimental act-as-if groups as draft legislation for the creation of frame alterations.

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a logical explanation of why the collective unconscious is real and perhaps, too, why god is not

izmo — Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:40:19 GMT

you can debate this. i don't plan to debate anyone because i am neither an expert logician nor philosopher, nor jungian, nor debater.

i post this simply to share a bit of my thinking which impressed itself upon me. this thinking has been revelatory for me, as a skeptic and a materialist. jung, in MDR proved logically, to me at least, that the personal unconscious exists. what i share is a logical, if novice and inexact (you'll see), explanation of why the collective unconscious is certainly real, and in actuality, not a mystical or spiritual thing at all, but rather a simple non-material reality with an explanation integrating the personal unconscious with 50 cents worth of sociocultural theory. i believe it is an explanation that, at the very least, would entertain freud.

* mind does not exist (there is nothing physical about mind)
* mind is a non-material phenomenon
* mind becomes manifest (real) due to neural processes (neural processes effect mind)
* however, mind does not comprise neural processes

* senses take in the world, social environment, teachings, everything external
* input from senses cause sets of neural processes
* coherent sets of neural processes are experiences (memories, associations, logical structures, impressions)
* mind is made of up experiences (probably a big gaping hole right there, but i'm moving on *smile*)

* (so) mind is trained by and composed entirely of external experiences until a certain age, when the organism begins to think and relate
* the new ability called relations are meta-inputs; the new ability called thinking is meta-cognition
* these (relations and thinking) add to the mind, new experiences that are generated only from within

* these meta-components aside, the mind has many experiences such as the general form of a human face, the sun, the taste of milk, and the feeling of cold winds on bare skin
* these are part of the collective experience, that is of course, where they are substantially similar amongst all effective persons; these are the essentially inescapable commonalities of all human perception (archetypes)

* for each person, the meta-inputs and meta-cognitions form the personal mind
* for all persons, the collective inputs and collective cognitions form the collective mind

* (and since) much of the mind is unconscious
* part of the collective mind is unconscious
* part of the personal mind is unconscious

* (to repeat) mind does not exist
* mind is a non-existent reality (just because something does not exist does not make it unreal)

* reality is that which consitutes the collective mind (and what of the personal mind?)

* to discover reality, you have to interact with people
* when you discover an overlap between all effective persons, you have discovered reality
- there you have discovered knowledge
- there you have discovered the truth

* where groups of people disagree, you have discovered illusion
- there you have discovered fantasy
- there you have discovered inconsistency
- there you have discovered falsehoods
- there you have simply discovered the local customs

* god falls into this latter category, i regret to inform and draw fire

* of the personal mind
- you have any new god-idea -- a the result of your meta-cognition
- you have astrology and you have things like flying spaghetti monsters

* none of which is real, either

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Jung Video Interview

captaincracklins — Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:15:58 GMT

This interview is from 1957.
Enjoy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4156341151105688636&q=popefucker

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dreaming

Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:02:00 GMT

i recently came across the idea that dreaming is natures way of rebooting the human body.

thats all our aspects... mental, physical and emotional bodies. its not at all new to me, but i just like the term "rebooting ". if you look at it in that context it can open up a whole new kettle of fish. when dreaming is demished so is our health. so good health is good dreaming? . can it be looked at so simply?

balance: if you gaze at say a blue light what do you see when you close them. an orange light appears. its an example at how nature is performing a constant balancing act. we live a life by day awake with our eyes open -- symbolically lets say that its blue -- then we close them and dream a symbolic orange life. all our nitty gritty daily activities are complemented at night. all those loose ends, pains, worries, joys and blues created when we are awake are tied when we are asleep. if we did not have that balancing process operating we would probaly go insane. right! your thoughts.

sweet orange

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psyche is image

be! — Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:11:31 GMT

does anyone know where exactly Jung says "psyche is image"?
people quote it all the time, but i'm not finding it actually cited and would like to use a citation....
i thought it might be in mdr, but i'm only finding the passage where he says behind every emotion is an image, and finding the image was very helpful for him. this would be emotion is image.... emotion is also psyche, but psyche is more than emotion.... yes? emotion is one of the poles of the archetypal dynamic.... but this is not "psyche is image" so.... i bring my search here, hoping someone might know....
so, if any of you have the citation for jung saying psyche is image, i would be most grateful.
thanks in advance. b.

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Myer-Briggs

blackegg — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:59:43 GMT

I saw a post about this dated from March 2004(!!)
and wanted to reawaken the thread.
I am an (I)ntroverted
(N)-tuitive
(T)hinking
(P)erciever
...at least, I think that's how it goes.
I was just recently thinking about how I am the ULTRA-PROVERBIAL Jack-of-all-trades...and can't STAND the EGO TRIPPING associated with ladder climbers of ANY trade...
so....
Anyone else heard of this?
Have you all found this a useful or non useful way of accessing peoples motivations...and more importantly, you're own?

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Personality Types

Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:05:29 GMT

I was just wondering if anyone had any info on the archetypes associated with each personality type. I've taken the test and my results were INFP.
I'm new to Jung and am slowly familiarizing myself with all of his writings. I'm fascinated by all of it.
If someone can tell me about what archetype is associated with INFP or how that works I would really appreciate it.
Thanks.

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would you like to analyze this dream???

Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:00:45 GMT

hello,

here is a dream i had last nite. i have some ideas on how to inturpret it, but am very interested to hear from other members of this tribe on what others think these things may represent.

i returned to a new home from a trip abroad. it was in a tall wherehouse type building with many people familar to me sharing the space, one of whom is my current roomate. my room was empty, but in the corner was a loft structure, it seemed like something to put a bed on, but there was no bed. my view from the window was a square, looked much like a european city. a few times i looked out and across ran a very dark figure, it was a vampire woman that i used to be involved and very connected too. she left town a few months ago(in waking life), i remember being confused cause i thought she was gone. then my room i realize that there is a large black stallion that she left behind. no one else in the house wanted or knew what to do with it because it seemed to be too wild. but i really loved it and said i would take care of it. i was really happy and connected with this horse.

in this dream we were all part of some quest that was based of some sort of magickal text that nobody had a really good understanding of. the horse was helping me a lot in some missions i would have to go on for this quest, i remember riding it for the first time charging up a mountain, and realizing what a powerful creature it was. i just like to ride it bareback, a saddle or reins did not seem appropriate for this stallion.

i wanted to learn more about the quest and study the liturature, so i attended a workshop where there were three women who were all 'experts' on the text, and it seemed like they were the only ones who really new what was going on. they let me sit a while with them while they read and intupereted the text. i left feeling like i had found a valuable resource, and there was much to learn. when i returned home in my building there was a psychedelic trance party happening in the common area, i seemed to have expected this. as i was walking through the crowd, i saw the woman. in my waking life, i do not know what my reaction would be...but i do know that when i see her name of photos of her i feel a lot of anexity, terror and my chest becomes very tight. when i saw her in the dream i was just very casual and said hi how's it going?......and she looked suprised at my appearent friendly and calm greeting, said fine and kept walking. i was suprised at this behaviour as well. i felt no anexity or terror, it was the first time i had seen her in over 7 months. my chest felt really open, i thought wow, perhaps i am over the trauma i experienced with this person.

then suddenly i was in a shanty type building in the desert, i was there on a mission for the illusive quest. there was a man who was not familar to me that i did not particularly like. he was trying to convince me that i should let him hypnotize me to facilate my healing process. i said no, i did not trust him, or like him. then i thought about this woman that i did trust, and have trusted enough to guide me through something like that. he would not take no for an answer and keep waving his hand back and forth in front of my face. then the horse comes crashing through the wall and it was now evil and possesed by the vampire woman. it said it had killed the woman that i let hypnotize me. it was laughing very manically. i started crying and screaming, then i woke up.

so there you go....

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Chapel Perilous tribe forming (moderated by sherpa)

sherpa — Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:03:35 GMT

This is your invitation to join the "Chapel Perilous" tribe, a forum for discussing our more extreme states of consciousness where the unknown intersects the known and sometimes overwhelms us with surprising information about ourselves. We will also discuss ways and methods of soul-retrieval for those of us who are "stuck in the Chapel" of our own minds (and often without knowing it). Anyone can join or leave.

Enter at your own risk.

http://tribes.tribe.net/hungryghosts

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Childhood Constructions

Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:58:53 GMT

Actually at least 5 times a month, around that number, I do recall a thought and memorey ...so..so..so randomly from childhood involving snails. When i think of snails or snails or brought up I think of when i was around 5 or 6 and lived in a condo in southern california with my mom. I'd go out and play and once in awhile step on snail and the next day the smushed up snail wouldn't be on the pavement i previously left it smushed... It occured to me the snail actually was still alive. This thought trought troubled me and i recall actually trying to make sure it was dead by pouring hot water on the ones i accidently stepped on. I couldn't piece back the snail. I wondered if it was in pain. And something fascinated me about the fact the smushed snails moved. I even feared that the snails would seek revenge on me and come to the doorstep and somehow get revenge. and One morning while stepping out to school with my mom, all dressed with my back pack..there was snail close to the door and I was frightened as fuck! I don't know exactly what i said but i remember expressing fear or a snail attack to my mother and guilt over the "murder"of the snail.

as an adult i can analyze it. Guilt, Mortality and a sense of right and wrong were at display in my reaction to the smushed snails....and even an awareness of retribution? *shrugs*

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Jung's Tower

MichaelKalamazoo — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:31:07 GMT

If anyone's interested, I've been posting a semi-scholarly essay on the building of Jung's stone tower at Bollingen, and how the structure reflects various stages of psycho-spiritual development:
http://michaelfountain.blogspot.com/2006/11/jungs-tower-and-personal-mythology-part.html
Enjoy the pictures, dispute my assumptions, drop a line.
Michael

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Question...

Ana — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:20:10 GMT

Does anyone know how different animals relate to our dreams? What they would signify? The two animals I'm most curious about are the tiger and gorilla.

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babies?

Claire — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:10:13 GMT

Hello im new here and I was just browsing because Ive experienced some really odd dreams recently and would appreciate anyone being able to tell me what they mean. I had this dream last night where my neighbour gave me two of her babies and told me to look after them, so I tried and when I got home one of the babies had turned into a plastic doll. I tried to look after the other baby, but I kept forgetting about it and leaving it alone. When I saw my neighbour she told me that she wanted me to look after the baby as my own. Its really freaked me out, because it was so real, i woke up crying and went downstairs looking for this baby that was in my dream. Could anyone explain what any of this means? Im really confused. I dont often dream anything this intense x

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whats spirituality to you?

Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:48:43 GMT

well to me a very strong aspect of it is about recognising your own wisdom. its like learning to catch a train into yourself. this process is infinitely creative. this is totaly contrary to religious dictates in general whereby 'the rules' of so called spiriuality are written in a book or presented to you; and cuts off creativity. the paradoxes are laughable.

what cooks your noodle?

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naming convention

MickD — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:08:02 GMT

Does it make sense to keep the name "Jung" in the tribe name?

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The Fourth Dimension by John Grau

Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:48:01 GMT

(Mr. Jung, Thnx for all your research..)

It seems to me that there is a lack of clarity over just what the fourth dimension is. And also on what exactly the Fourth Dimension does. In-fact, on many web-pages that I visit, I find an array of documents that say that the fourth dimension is the fragment of the whole Emotional Plane which is known as the Astral Plane – which it is surely not.

The truth of the make-up of the fourth dimension is veiled in the ‘impossible structures’ of mathematical artists, such as M.C. Escher, and which is quite brilliantly depicted his ‘Day and Night’ illustration which is shown below.

read more at : http://snoedel.punt.nl/TheFourthDimension/

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BIBLICAL use of MAGIC-MUSHROOMS.

Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:48:14 GMT

MANNA AMBROSIA/SOMA/TEONANACATL
Hell-Low from Heaven-High; I am author/publisher of "MANNA" the book documenting the
BIBLICAL use of MAGIC-MUSHROOMS.
“Manna” Explores the evidence that Christ was the leader of a Pagan Cult teaching a revival/renaissance of an ancient mushroom ritual learned in Egypt by Moses and Christ, a mushroom religion known also to the Maya of ancient Mesoamerica, and around the world. The Manna-Book asks if this knowledge was kept secret by an elite caste of priests within the Kabalistic Jewish Rabbis until such a time as Christ came and taught it to the masses.

Exodus 16:14-24 indicates that MANNA was inevitably a MUSHROOM.
It was a small round thing in the morning dew, it bred larva, and would melt to mush if not dried. KING JAMES VERSION.
All mushroom pickers know that fly’s eggs cause larvae/worms in mushrooms. The one food most notorious for being full of worms.

Daniel 5:3-5 with Exodus 16:32 and Hebrews 9:4
indicates that the mushroom was a DRUG. After sacking the temple in Jerusalem and stealing the Ark-of-the-Covenant, the King of Babylon and his table drank from the golden cup containing the holy “MANNA” they had visions within the hour….. Psilocybin takes 30-40 minutes to induce visions.

Hebrews 9:4 makes it clear that MANNA was the most holy thing to Israelites, kept in A POT OF GOLD in the ARK OF THE COVENANT, in the MOST HOLY OF HOLYS. So sacred is the Manna that only the High Priest has access to it and only on one day of the year (Yom Kippur), which comes 3 days before the harvest moon (Hallows Eve).

Psalm 78:24-25 calls MANNA FOOD OF ANGELS, just as MAYAN/INCA PRIESTS from Meso-America called it TEONANACATL FOOD OF THE GODS.
MANNA is an Egyptian word, not Hebrew or Aramaic, meaning;
The BREAD OF GOD. This is what Moses called it in Exodus 16:15.
“Bread Of God” means “FOOD OF GOD”, which is the same meaning of TEONANACATL (Mayan), and AMBROSIA (Greek), and SOMA (Hindu) a word for mushroom tea, all these words mean “Spiritual Food”.
Coca and Tobacco Leaves found in Pharaohs tombs suggest it was ancestors of Mayan/Inca Priests who brought MUSHROOMS to Egypt.

John 2:6-9 indicates that Jesus made water into wine by boiling mushrooms (Mushroom-Tea), the waterpots were made of stone, not clay, (stone pots were used for cooking, clay pots used for storing water). These pots already contained 2-3 firkins of a substance before the pots were filled with water.
A “Firkin” is an Old-English measurement meaning a fourth part. Half to three-quarters of fresh mushrooms with water makes a potent tea. Tea is the safest way to consume field mushrooms, killing dangerous bacteria like E. Coli. In the Atharva Veda, the Hindus called this Tea SOMA. Greeks called mushroom jelly AMBROSIA.
Those who drank the water made into wine said it was the most potent intoxicant (St. John 2:10). The Bible tells us that Jesus making water into wine was the “beginning of miracles” … in other words no one saw any miracles until drinking the wine made from water. (St. John 2:11).

“MANA” is an EGYPTIAN WORD, not HEBREW or ARAMAIC, Meaning; “The BREAD OF GOD”. Moses, Christ, and Joseph, The favorite son of Israel, were all educated in Egypt. Solomon married Pharaoh’s daughter, and Abraham found his God at a place called SHECHEM (Sekhem), which is another Egyptian word for MANNA. TEONANACATL [Maya] = SOMA [Hindu] = AMBROSIA / BROMA-THEON [Greek] = MANNA [Egyptian/Hindu] It can be no coincidence that the MAYAN, EGYPTIAN, GREEK, HINDU, and ISRAELITE words for the mushroom all mean exactly the same thing: “THE BREAD OF GOD”.

MANNA was round, was found on the ground in the dew, would melt to mush if not dried or collected on time, and would breed larvae. All unique characteristics of mushrooms. When dried it was like “WAFERS OF BREAD” and it’s color was like “CORIANDER SEED”, the consistency and color of dried mushrooms, as described in Exodus Ch. 16.
Other psychedelics used in the Bible include, of course, Cannabis, Mandrake and others. This book focuses on Mushrooms: “The Global Sacrament”.
Be advised that the author does not advocate the non-ritual use of mushrooms or in any way place their importance above that of love, “Seek first the kingdom of love and all other things shall be added to you” [Christ].
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In the Hands of Alchemy: The Art and Life of Jerry Wennstrom

vivg — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:50:20 GMT

I believe this artist, his work, and life story, may be of interest to many of you....

www.handsofalchemy.com/

"Artist, author Jerry Wennstrom was born in New York on January 13, 1950. He attended Rockland Community College and the State University of New Paltz. After producing a large body of work, at age 29 he set out to discover the rock-bottom truth of his life. For years he questioned the limits of his creative life as a studio painter. After destroying all of his art and giving away everything he owned, Jerry began a life of unconditional trust, allowing life to provide all that was needed. He lived this way for 15 years...Jerry's story is told in his book, The Inspired Heart: An Artist’s Journey of Transformation (foreword by Thomas Moore) published by Sentient Publications and in the Parabola Magazine documentary film called In the Hands of Alchemy: The Art and Life of Jerry Wennstrom."

Jerry's website is:
www.handsofalchemy.com/

An INTERVIEW with Jerry here:
www.hoardmag.com/jerryw/1.htm

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curious...

lafemmejakita — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:49:59 GMT

I was wondering if anyone knows if Jung participated in, or had any opinion of the studies done with LSD and schizophrenia patients in the 50's, or any experience with psychoactive substances? I know I've read somewhere that he visited the amazon and witnessed shamanic healing ceremonies which, in theory, are very similar to his approach to depth psychology. I've googled the topic a bunch of times and a ton of articles come up which mention both the studies and Jung's name because of his work with schizophrenia but none talk about the direct relationship betwwen the two.... anyways...just curious...

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moderator change

barnaby — Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:38:50 GMT

Howdy folks

Having founded this tribe and moderated it since its inception, I've decided it's time to move on. I'm handing over the reigns (pun intended) to Sherpa, who will be assuming Total Control of the Tribe in a couple of days. I think Sherpa's different perspective will stimulate discussion in a new way, and I hope you all have fun with it.

regards,
Barnaby

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The Secret

soulbeauty25 — Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:21:49 GMT

Has anyone seen it? It's the movie about The Law of Attraction. Powerful.

What are your thoughts about it? If you haven't seen it, go to http://thesecret.tv to find out about it. If you wanna watch the preview it is there, but if you want to watch the whole thing (you really should), you can pay-per-view it.

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Two Positive Anima Figures and Siamese Twins in my Dream – 9-06-06

Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:35:50 GMT

I am new to this group and I am here to share dreams and ask others to help/correct/guide in my interpretations.

What was going on in my life at the time of the dream.

I am recently divorced from my pretty second wife, 18-years my junior, and anger and alcohol had a great deal to do with our demise. Also, today my son Jared, born in this second marriage, is starting his first day of third grade. I am going to my ex-wife’s house to see him get on the bus for the first day of school and I guess I am a bit concerned for Jared as he is a sweet timid boy who is easily bullied. (In school so was I.)
______________________________________________________________________
Last night’s dream- 9-06-06

I dreamt that I was in some sort of counseling sessions with a young pretty woman that I was involved with at least 20-years my junior.

In the dream my son Jared was there and he was about 4-5 years old (he’s 8 now but was depicted in the dream as much younger.)

I remember two scenes in the dream where the younger woman in the dream was angry and in the dream I exercised restraint and did not allow “the hook” her anger, to drag me into her angry space. (So I thought in the dream.)

There was a scene where the young woman and I were sitting at a round table discussion and an older woman, heavy set, unattractive and somewhat crude was leading the group “group leader”. The group leader was recounting an experience of another female group participant who, in her life experience, had a husband that was alcoholic and would sometimes come home angry and drunk and would be verbally abusive. She referred to him as “A bag of shit”.

I was taken back by her crude, albeit, accurate portrayal of him and at the same time squirmed a bit inside as she was describing me.

Then there was a scene where I quietly confronted the younger woman about her aforementioned angry outbursts and I reminded her of how I didn’t lash back with anger, in response to her anger. Her response was, “Yes, but I could feel how very angry you got inside and you got very tense.” (The anger was there but not outwardly expressed.)

Lastly, there was a scene where my son Jared was having both a verbal and physical exchange with one of two little twin boys his age, 4 or 5, and Jared began to cry. As I approached one of the little twin boys who was getting the best of Jared in the physical exchange and I pulled them apart and said, “That’s enough of that”. I wanted to pick both of the twin boys up in my left arm to comfort them and Jared, my son, in the right arm and found the twin boys to be too heavy. The little twin boys then started to walk away and I looked at them and it was only one boy. I then thought, are they Siamese twins and I had never noticed?

End of dream:

My interpretation – This is both a subjective and objective dream. The first part being subjective, the young woman and me in counseling and the second part, Jared and his school yard battle being an objective aspect of the dream

There were two messages for me from the two anima figures. First, the unattractive group leader hit a sore spot with me. (I am recently sober and feeling really good about my new sobriety.) Her message to me as I see it, “Don’t get too complacent in your new sobriety. This is who you were when you were drinking. You have a lot of work to do and never forget that real life shadow figure, “the angry drunk”.

Secondly, the young pretty anima figure confronted me about my anger being bottled up “for show”. Interpretation: “You are not detached from anger yet and you still have lots of work still to do. Work on detachment.”

Lastly, Jared and the twins; the twins represented various aspects of Jared’s personality. My fear of Jared being afraid is a projection of my own feeling about myself and my shortcomings on the school yard playground. Jared has the ability to find his way in the world I shouldn’t project myself on to him. He is very much his own person.

(As an interesting aside, Jared picked out his school clothes this year with his mom. He chose to wear rather conservative slacks, button down shirt and tie to his first day of school. He tried on this outfit for me and showed it to me a few days ago. He looked very handsome and I was proud of him that he has this sense of self confidence to wear what he feels he likes instead of following the crowd. I have to remember that.)

I believe my dream had three great messages for me.

Does anyone have any thoughts or comments? Does anyone feel that I am incorrect in my analysis?

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animus

barnaby — Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:28:12 GMT

I have a question particularly for women (or for anyone who doesn't identify themselves as male).

In Jung's model of the anima/animus, he states that for men, unintegrated aspects of Self often appear as a shining, fascinating image of a woman, like Beatrice in the Divine Comedy, the Dark Lady of the Sonnets, et cetera. In his view, we impute aspects of our psyches that we don't take ownership of to this 'other' figure, and one of the ways we depict its otherness is by creating an image of a figure of the opposite gender.

Jung claims that the same process occurs for women, who may see comparable figures in dreams, only male - the animus.

I can say for myself that the anima has been an important figure in my psyche and dreams long before I started reading Jung, and I see the anima all over the place in art and literature. I have no idea if the animus is a genuine phenomenon. I certainly don't see nearly as many animus figures in literature, though it could be that I simply don't notice them in the same way, or that this is a factor of women authors being marginalized in the West for so long.

How about it, women? Had any dreams about a fascinating, beautiful, mysterious man? Possibly a luminous figure, who suggested possibility and explosive growth? Possibly some kind of guide?

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God Is a Woman: Now Available!!!

soulbeauty25 — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:35:13 GMT

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Transpersonal Psychology Conference

trancedan — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:17:23 GMT

YOU ARE INVITED TO ATTEND
THE 2006 ATP-ITP

ATP-ITP TRANSPERSONAL PSYCHOLOGY CONFERENCE
September 7-9, 2006, Palo Alto, California

<www.atpweb.org/> & <www.atpweb.org/Conference...ration.asp>

The Association for Transpersonal Psychology
is teaming up with The Institute for Transpersonal Psychology
to put on an annual Transpersonal Psychology Conference on
"100 Years of Transpersonal Psychology"
to be held in Palo Alto, CA
on September 7 through September 9, 2006

One-hundred years ago, William James used the word "transpersonal" for the first time, in reference to that which is shared amongst people. A century later, the Association for Transpersonal Psychology and the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology invite you to our annual professional conference, to teach, learn, and share the innovations and discoveries that have shaped the field since that auspicious day, and to chart the future for the next 100 years.

* Keynote Speakers: Stanislav Grof, Jeanne Achterberg, Marilyn Schlitz, James Fadiman.

* Special Thursday evening opening event: Honoring Women in Transpersonal Psychology with Louisa Teisch, Christina Grof, Leslie Gray, Olga Louchakova, Rosemarie Anderson, Judy Schavrien, Kate Wolf-Pizor and others.

* Special Friday evening media Premiere of two documentary films, including Kevin Page’s, "The Science of Soul," a documentary of transpersonal psychology,

* Other outstanding presenters include Stanley Krippner, Estelle Frankel, Daniel Benor, Ronald Jue, Frances Vaughan, Brian Wittine, Ruth Cox, Charles Tart, Neil Fiore, Kirk Schneider, David and Cristel Lukoff, Stuart Sovatsky and Sylvia Nakkach.

Topics: transpersonal psychotherapy, therapy, transpersonal approaches to trauma, healing, transpersonal education, entheogens, Kaballah, dreams, expressive arts, women in transpersonal psychology, the contributions of William James, Otto Rank, C. G. Jung, & Baruch Spinoza, experiential workshops at no extra cost, and poster sessions.

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God Is A Woman

soulbeauty25 — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:54:26 GMT

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projection and the transference phenomena

sherpa — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:09:31 GMT

Carl Gustav Jung wrote prolifically on the phenomena of psychological transference in the context of the patient and therapist relationship. His book, "The Psychology of the Transference", outlines the various stages of this process as it reflects the spiritual alchemy of the Rennaisance through a series of eleven 14th Century northern European alchemical woodblock prints.

I am curious if any one here is a practicing psychotherapist with firsthand experience of this transference phenomena and how they use that process to further the diagnosis and treatment of their patients.

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Shadow Work and archetypes

ALisa — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:51:39 GMT

I am new on Tribe and I was thrilled to be able to join this tribe. I looked under key words for a shadow tribe but found none and I am wondering if there are conversations about this here.

Since this is my first post please let me introduce myself. In regards to our tribe I am a Shadow Work facilitator and work in ritual and archetypal ways since 1986. I trained in 1993 with Cliff Barry in amazing healing work that he created around Carl Jung's concept of shadow. This is the trademarked Shadow Work and you can find it at shadowwork.com Unfortunately he is a brilliant facilitator, thinker of such models but he never published a book so one rather happens upon this model.

I know that there are many forms and models about the shadow but since you love Jung I wanted to introduce you this kind because it is really extensive and very deep work. The work deals with healing through archetypal energies.

Shadow Work mostly involves four archetypes; magician, warrior, lover and the sovereign. I also work with some other Shadow Work facilitators in an initiation around the predator/prey archetypes. Lastly I founded a women's mystery school, Priestess Path that is about women resourcing inside herself, the archetype of the priestess.

A few years ago I wondered if I needed Archetypes Anonymous. A woman who is in Priestess Path called me today and revealed to me that I was such a mythical being to her that if she saw me some place normal like shopping for food she would find it unfathomable. lol. I more frequent in the caves, woods and fields actually. I have found that being able to be at peace with so many parts of myself and accessing other archetypes that I might not always live from, has given me a lot of personal power to choose. I get to live out life in a way that satisfies my hunger for the soul. And certainly I am inspired by Joseph Campbell especially in the predator work where he says "The one life eats itself." I actually do some of my work at the Center of Symbolic Studies that Steven and Robin Larson run.

Anyhow, perhaps if there is interest we can discuss more about the shadow in future posts and what we think about how it operates in our life. I have learned so much in ritual space about not transforming it (as so many people think healing is getting rid of things) but of getting it out in front of us so that we can own what we may not believe is lovable or acceptable about us.

I think for me that is the power of the work. To finally get to have a place to act on energies that are down inside without hurting anyone but finding a way where we ourselves come back to love and compassion for us. Rather like yin/yang energies. One is always present when the other is there and so learn to honor our entire human psyche and the greater expanse of the mystery in our subconscious becomes our work. I hope to explore more with you as we may share a common love of looking at such things within us.

Only the shadow knows. ALisa

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Explaining my unexplainable women's work, Women in Power

ALisa — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:38:16 GMT

This marks six years now since I began this international women's initiation and from my woman spirit to yours (male or female since I know we're all here together)I want to share about this work but it takes me time usually to get into the heart of it. This predator/ prey/ victim/ perpetrator/ power/ disempowered/empowerment work is a language of its own at first so bear with me. In the end we recognize our present work around this. Whether you are drawn here as a path or simply want to know what is happening in the women's world of empowerment work, here is my message.

What is Women in Power? This is a fierce women's container that is both safe and challenging. Most of us have internal voices that can be critical, judgmental and even annihilating that we battle with on the inside. And in the hardest situations occur when this energy can sometimes by accident leak to the outside of us hurting our loved ones and ourselves. Or we are on the look out for where these dark energies may want to hurt us from our past experiences and waste our valuable energy in a kind of vigilance to keep ourselves externally safe not realizing that it comes from an internal predator scaring us inside as we look for it mirrored on the outside. Many of us are just plain scared in a world that is filled with war and violence of our anger and anyone else's. And yet, it is all around us and within us. What are we going to do in the place where we can have more of our power as women in the world and find some gold in our dark places? This is has been one of my life contributions to face our dilemma straight on. It is true descension work but when we come out of it, we are more whole than ever. Whoever thought to look for our goodness in the darkest of all places?

Women in Power is a safe a ritual container where we as women are able to explore and heal some of our darkest shadows. It is where women work on that strange shaming place we sometimes have going even in our best selves where we feel shamed because we judge ourselves as bad, so we act really good and believe still that we are bad. ? How do we rewire here? Sometimes it comes by grace and sometimes we need a place to work with it among the amazing company of other women. But not in the way we've been doing it. It's okay to be the bitch here you always thought you were, on purpose now during the initiation. But imagine too that it is also a place where you are safe. Curious huh? And it is a place where the darkest shadows, the most violent rage, the deepest grief and the most brilliant and authentic joy surfaces. ??? I am not kidding. I've got to be one of the luckiest women in the world to see the miracles that happen here for women. It is brave and courageous work ~ it is gut work, it is real. It is a place that we don't need to apologize for our power and is held with the integrity that in your core you are good once you don't need to fight so hard the knowing of just how bad you could be if you finally revealed the worst of it. If this is confusing to you, it is no wonder because shadow is the place where we have disowned something that we do not want or choose to recognize in ourselves. Then it becomes projected onto others because we fear it in ourselves. Women in Power is about coming home to it all and owning the worst of ourselves to finally get to the best of ourselves.

The work is facilitated by six skilled Shadow Work facilitators and as many as twenty women on staff for 27 participants. It happens only three times a year but women from all over the world have participated. I am an original co-founder of Women in Power so you can look at my website and my profile as I am over twenty years in now with women's empowerment, ritual and community based work.

The work is true liberation work in the most glorious ways. It comes from the premise that at some time in our life we make a vow never to be like the one that hurt you. Smart thinking. But in doing so, we are sometimes left with some interesting backlash that resembles with our power throwing the baby out with the bath water. We can be left with the only archetypal energy that we see as good, kind, giving, and that is what we name here is as prey energy because it often lacks an energy that can confront, stand up to, and be powerful in the face of large energies. Instead it can be sacrificial of one's gift for the benefit of all. Or sometimes we make a vow not to be like the one we judge is weaker (prey) and then we end up in a place where we are missing our more vulnerable aspects of self too although we are able to be strong and guarded warrioresses.
In Women in Power, we tease apart what we judge as healthy and unhealthy aspects of archetypal predator/prey circuitry that interrupts our fuller choices of what is possible at any given moment when we face life situations in order to give you your innate power to be both powerful and vulnerable again. This includes what we are doing with our sexual energies as well. Any place actually that you are not freely able to express or be the powerful woman that you were born to be are given the opportunity of 360 degree choice again about what you want to do and who you are.
But first we need to revisit sometimes our past to find out about that original vow that we made when we lost something of our power. We’ve done the inner child work and maybe laid some boundaries down as warrior to our perpetrator(s) but hardly ever have we journeyed to the place where we OWN the inner perpetrator, inner predator that stalks us on the inside even with our vow not to be like that. Here is where we see women re-establish safety from internally and come to a place where she can revel in her power in all ways as she chooses allowing her innate goodness and not her fear that she is really “bad” to the bone be what leads her life. This lurking fear often is the driving force for us to be good. Let's redefine good and be "good" at being our authentic selves where we are also powerful, giving, courageous, strong, brilliant and bold. Huh? Are we ready for that?
The work is a rare container to do the kind of deep work that we’ve been waiting for but maybe we either haven’t seen it or we haven’t been ready. If you want to more womeninpowerprogram.com or my listing under events. It is almost full and it has a waitlist most of the time.

If this is not where you are at because you already freed your self up inside this way, check out Daughters of the Earth Gathering; a Women's Tribal Event too in Massachusetts that happens the following weekend. Here is where we celebrate our power and enact with support our deepest visions and dreams among the good company of wildwomen. Blessings my sisters (and brothers too who are reading this ~ if you are interested, Mankind Project (MKP) holds a men's initiation that is similar but on the warrior archetype)! ALisa

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New art stuff from David Aronson/The Alchemical Wedding

artistalchemist — Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:33:52 GMT

Visionary artist David Aronson of the Alchemical Wedding, http://www.alchemicalwedding.com, has begun three new ventures. The first is an online shop where t-shirts, cards, posters and calendars featuring David's art can be purchased. The Alchemical Wedding Shop is located at http://www.cafepress.com/alchemicalart The other two are blogs; a sketch blog, updated daily, entitled The Snake That Ate The Moon, http://www.alchemicalwedding.com/drawings/sketchblog.htm and a blog documenting the best dark, surreal, visionary and lowbrow art on the web entitled The Crucible:Art and Magick, http://cruciblemagick.blogspot.com/

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black obsidian egg in dreams

SunnyStras — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:54:10 GMT

Greetings!

I'm new to this tribe and a new grad student of psychology at Pacifica Graduate Institute in S. Barbara (if you don't know them...the focus is on Jungian Depth Psychology)

I had a "Big Dream" a few weeks ago, in which after being torn apart by half raptor women, my quintessential essence was stripped down to a black obsidian egg. At this point, I was completely protected from these shadow creatures.

Any input about the alchemical and symbolic interpretation of black obsidian eggs would by greatly appreciated.

So...now you don't even need to see my Tribe bio, since you got instant insight into my psyche :)!

Thanks, I'm looking forward to it :).

Sunny

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Mythic Journeys Conference

MickD — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:50:16 GMT

Check out info on the upcoming conference. Perhaps I'll make a little listing...

http://www.mythicjourneys.org/

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Jung - 1961

JohnWilly — Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:17:41 GMT

The death of Dana Reeve Monday, March 6th may seem inconsequential, but to me Reeve was the star I'd been hoping to see. From her privileged yet tragic life she shows how one woman can change the world. In my work to define synchronicity(grace) I've often gone back to the day of my birth. I was born here(Massachusetts) March 10th, the date and state Alexander Bell made his telephone. And on the day after my birth in 1971 television inventor Philo Farnsworth died. So I've been curious, why had I been born near milestone dates in the lives of these two men of mass communication? (Bell made his phone seven days after his 29th birthday. Intriguing considering the shape of Massachusetts' coast and the 29-boned skull, 29,000-foot Everest and 290 million American population at millenium's cusp(Jesus's 2000th birthday)).

Christopher and Dana Reeve met near the western Massachusetts town my parents met. After seeing Dana Reeve's birthyear on tv I googled her birthday because my mentor Carl Jung died the year Reeve had been born. Jung, aside from being my inspiration for seeking synchronicity, is significant in that I had my first precognitive dream on his July birthday. Stranger still, the only internet source with Reeve's son's birthdate says it happened on my Dad's birthday, June 7, in the same town my sister Tara had been born. Obviously one source does not make the information correct, but the parallels are hard to ignore. The allure of synchronicity lives in it's message. We're more alike than we reckon with, we're nearer each other than our knowledge of miles and borders suggests. The fact that Dana Reeve died days before my birthday, it's another clue.

What makes people seek the bright light of performing? Whether it be a local playhouse, a radio show or Hollywood, people are driven to perform for large audiences under a bright light. I was taught God sees us all and is equal to our Sun if not stronger. Seems performers are moving in God's direction, going into light... needs some work.

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Jungian Archetypes/The Female Warrior Archetype

Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:26:48 GMT

I wrote this to the women warrior tribe, however it sort of crosses over to this subject. I was wondering what the archetype of the female warrior means to any of you...if you have any feedback. I am a Psych major, and I find the whole thing rather fascinating. I find myself in this role. This is what I wrote:

I don't know how many of you study Psychology(hello I am new on the list by the way), but I find it fascinating to look at the Jungian archetype of the Warrior for this list from a Jungian standpoint. There are four quarters that Jung talks about...the first the King/Queen, the Warrior, the Magician and the Lovers. I think that the point that he got at, was to try and balance all of these things within the psyche. According to this website, the Warrior is a defense mechanism,(from what I can gather) that protects the "I AM', sets boundaries in relationships and boundaries in the self. Pretty much guards the Ego.
I am wondering at all the personalities that are on this list. Warrior is heavily in my subconscious...drawn to tough female energy, although I am one in real life as well. Was an athlete when I was younger, was a crash and rescue firefighter in the Navy, worked in a mental hospital where there were physical altercations and I had to take people down. Always been that way. HOWEVER I was also an abused woman(physical and sexual) a survivor though, not someone that succumbed to the depression and self-destructive tendencies. I wonder how many of us are. It would seem the Warrior archetype is all about boundaries and all about causes. Abuse victims definitely are people who set boundaries or have problems with them at all. Boundaries in general, because they are confused.

This website is cool.
www.robertmoore-phd.com/Ov_Arc...pe_Defined.cfm

Nice to meet you all,

Tammy

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shadows

birgitte — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:23:06 GMT

Does anyone know good Jungian literature about shadows???

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2 new psychology tribes

barnaby — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:44:14 GMT

Hi there

You are coridally invited to join the new Developmental Psychology tribe, or Social Psychology tribe, if you are interested.

Thanks!

http://tribes.tribe.net/devpsych
http://tribes.tribe.net/socialpsych

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Twenty-nine synchronicity

JohnWilly — Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:47:35 GMT

human skull - 29 bones (nasaexplores.com)
Mount Everest - 29,000 feet
American population - 290 million at cusp of millenium
lunar cycle - 29.5 days

Massachusetts' coast, my home, looks unmistakably like a human head facing Massachusetts. Plymouth, where English pilgrims landed in 1620, is The Lip. American President John Kennedy of Massachusetts shared his birthday with Mt Everest's first ascent, May 29th. Graceful clues of little known intelligence? I think so.

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a modern interpetation w/a twist

Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:07:19 GMT

http://orsay.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/862/30c/86230c9d-716f-4881-8e39-fe71e8caaf4a

town crier?
loudmouth?
meta-liminal messenger/avatar?

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Synchronicity

MickD — Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:35:15 GMT

I know there's a Synchronicity tribe, but definitively speaking, just what IS synchronicity? How is it different from coincidence?

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Anybody Happen to Know This Book..?

robster — Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:37:06 GMT

I had come accross a book at a Barnes and Noble many years ago, and I haven't been able to find it since! It was a compilation of Jung's works, it seemed to include various books and other texts.

The part I remember, is that he was speaking of how much he regretted ever using the term "Collective Unconscious", worried that it could lead to much exaggeration and misinterpretation of his work. He went on saying that he was mainly speaking of similar base-brain-structure in humans, and not necessarily an all-encompassing field.

I know it isn't much to go off of, but unfortunately that's all I have. Does anybody happen to know which compilation it was in, or the original paper it came from?

Thanks to any tips you may have!!

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new tribe

JohnWilly — Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:02:14 GMT

If you're interested in topics such as synchronicity, dreamwork, precognition, Maya, Terence McKenna...

tribes.tribe.net/gracefulgod

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New psycho-spiritual growth tribe

trancemaiden — Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:17:59 GMT

I've just started a new tribe to discuss the synthesis of psychological type with spiritual/metaphysical concepts and how to apply this to your personal development. I hope to have some good discussions on personality type/Myers-Briggs, Jungian Psychology, archetypes as models in personal growth, etc. Check it out here if interested: http://tribes.tribe.net/personaltranscendence

Thanks,
Vicki : )

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Marion Woodman (Jungian Analyst)

Emmazon — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:54:28 GMT

Hello Everybody--

I was wondering if any of you had had any experiences with Marion Woodman's work, The Pregnant Virgin: A Process of Psychological Transformation.

I've been reading bits and pieces-- slowly, I think, because the truth of it rings loudly for me. Good experience, for sure.

For myself, this book has made me finally understand myself as woman, daughter, child. And it's really shed light on my move from feminist to feminine consciousness.

Any women out there experience something similar?

-Emma

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Jung Books

painter_steve — Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:04:15 GMT

What I'm specifically interested in would be like a primer on Jung's main ideas written in modern language (say, post 1990).

I have a couple books written in the 60's but I'm hoping you people can direct me to someone with a written voice I can follow a little easier.

Thanks!

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science and spirituality tribe

barnaby — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:56:33 GMT

Hi there

Here:
http://tribes.tribe.net/scispirit

is a new tribe for discussing the interaction of science and the spirit. Topics for discussion may include things like the scientific study of meditation, the relationship between self-organization and spiritual discourse, similarilities between implications of quantum mechanics and Buddhist philosophy, et cetera.

Love to see you there if you're interested....

B

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Would you help me name my book?

sylviabrallier — Mon, 02 May 2005 15:00:13 GMT

I have been busy finishing up my book. I am really excited about how it has turned out. Last weekend, I went to a book marketing conference, and learned all kinds of cool stuff about how to self publish a book.

My biggest problem right now is coming up with a title that is both descriptive and catchy. Will you help me come up with a title? The title is supposed to have two parts, the heart, and the head.
The heart is something juicy that grabs you.
The head is some thing descriptive that explains what the book is about.
Great titles are both tricky to come up with, and very, very important.
I would really appreciate your help.
Below is a description of the book as a whole. At the URL listed, you will find the outline, and the first page of the book. Please give it a look over, and tell me what title you would make you want
To look inside the cover if you saw it in a bookstore.
I'll give you a free copy of the book when it comes out if you can come up with a great title. Heck, if you are the first to come up with a word that is used in the final title, I'll give you a book.

Here are some tips:
How can you describe it without sounding too intellectual.. but intelligent?
What is a title that is catchy, but not kitschy?
The title should imply some kind of coming together,
a synthesis, a merging of some sort.
Fewer words are better.

Here is the way I describe the book as a whole:

This book is an integrative approach to psycho-spiritual transformation. It weaves together philosophies and techniques from a variety of schools of thought in a new way, creating
an overview that touches on many aspects of the human experience. Some of he prevalent resources for information that I have drawn from are Tantric and Buddhist philosophy, Jungian and transpersonal psychology, core shamanism, western mystery school traditions, as well as the new physics, a la 'What the Bleep." It is a holographic approach to personal growth.
The book presents ten basic metaphysical principles, separated into ten chapters. The chapters are organized by principles of numerological correspondences. For example, the first chapter deals with the basic unity of all creation, the second relates to duality and polarity, and so on and so forth.

To find out more or to participate, please go to this URL
http://www.tantricshamanism.com/name.htm

Thanks so much.

Warm regards,
Sylvia Brallier

The Tantric Shamanism Institute
http://www.tantricshamanism.com

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myth tribe

barnaby — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:49:08 GMT

Hi there

I don't know what happened to the old Mythology tribe, but I liked it and I was sad to see it vanish. I've been on a Joseph Campbell kick lately so I'm reinspired to create a new one.

http://tribes.tribe.net/myth-tribe

Come one, come all....

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book suggestions

Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:46:11 GMT

i find this subject very fascinating but where would a beginner find some information. can anybody suggest some books?

moonsnake

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Psychological projection.

Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:11:24 GMT

I'm curious, how does this work?I 've noticed in the past I tend to attract the same patterns of men and relationships and lately I've been questioning why.They have all seemed to be very jealous, controlling,paraniod and manipulative types.There seems to be this strong pull on my part, while I don't mind alittle possesiveness, it always ends up getting over my head and being forced to leave them or feel like a victum.What always bothered me was when I sat down to think about it,I realised that I had been acting that way towards them.I'd recall feeling obsessed or jealous over their attention over another woman,and all too often tend to want the upper hand.If I am right, how can I deal with this without ending up being hurt again or unintentionally hurting someone else?Thanks.

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holographic approach?

MickD — Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:11:37 GMT

What is a holographic approach? I see the term in a recent thread, and my first instinct was to ask, "Don't you mean holistic approach?"

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gold mine

barnaby — Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:09:05 GMT

Make a journey from self to Self, oh friends, for by such a journey the earth becomes a mine of gold! - Rumi

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schools?

MickD — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:18:34 GMT

Why don't more schools have graduate Jungian programs, or cover more Jungian thought in contemporary clinical and counseling programs?

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looking for studies of the effectiveness of Jungian therapy

barnaby — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:41:52 GMT

Hi there

I'm looking for professional or academic studies of the effectiveness of Jungian analysis in resolving clinical problems. I'm trying to determine if there is third-party evidence to suggest that it actually helps people.

For my purposes, it's important to find evaluations carried out by independent, objective researchers. I'm not looking for anecdotal reports of patients; they skew toward positive assessments of any form of therapy. I'm also not looking for assessments made by Jungian professional societies (for obvious reasons).

Any references, particularly online references, would be greatly appreciated.