This question is of incredible importance right now.
It would be best if we started communally figuring it out.
As we are a reflection of God, both his wrathful and loving sides,
we must examine what side is predominantly at play here on this
earth. Unfortunately, it appears that through en masse ignorance
of the absolute importance of these choices we have fallen prey
to our worse natures. I am doing the best I can to return us through
the use of my own mind to some approximation of balance.
Look at the world. The few prosper, while a growing caste of people
are thrust into abject poverty. We easily fall into a hate and fear of our
neighbor. It is beyond just not offering hospitality. We now invade
unilaterally in order to slake our outgrown desires. At the top of it
is some shadowy cloaked organization that could be called the
Illuminati or some such other, but what it really represents is our
ignorant supplication to the wrong side. All about us we see division,
greed, hypocrisy, and many of the other vices. And also we see the
increase in large scale depression, which to my mind is equatable
to Keter's sense of futility. By forsaking God we have destroyed his
faith in us, to a degree his faith in his Great Work. This appears to
be too easily pronounced a predilection.
In the greatest sense, yes, the dark side of God is never going to be
absolutely extinguished, unless we as a race were able somehow
to keep that side reduced over a extremely long period of time.
Perhaps this is a localized problem... thoughts?
It would be best if we started communally figuring it out.
As we are a reflection of God, both his wrathful and loving sides,
we must examine what side is predominantly at play here on this
earth. Unfortunately, it appears that through en masse ignorance
of the absolute importance of these choices we have fallen prey
to our worse natures. I am doing the best I can to return us through
the use of my own mind to some approximation of balance.
Look at the world. The few prosper, while a growing caste of people
are thrust into abject poverty. We easily fall into a hate and fear of our
neighbor. It is beyond just not offering hospitality. We now invade
unilaterally in order to slake our outgrown desires. At the top of it
is some shadowy cloaked organization that could be called the
Illuminati or some such other, but what it really represents is our
ignorant supplication to the wrong side. All about us we see division,
greed, hypocrisy, and many of the other vices. And also we see the
increase in large scale depression, which to my mind is equatable
to Keter's sense of futility. By forsaking God we have destroyed his
faith in us, to a degree his faith in his Great Work. This appears to
be too easily pronounced a predilection.
In the greatest sense, yes, the dark side of God is never going to be
absolutely extinguished, unless we as a race were able somehow
to keep that side reduced over a extremely long period of time.
Perhaps this is a localized problem... thoughts?
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:50 PMI'm remembering PrometheusPan's estimation of my wrongful interest in
figuring out the influence of the Qliphoth. He felt I was doing wrong.
Unfortunately, by ignoring a problem, one cannot expect it to go away.
Also, GreenMan23's fear of high technology. Sorry, but we must master fear
completely. Someone must. Perhaps the fear visualized to GR23 was not one
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:00 PMI am thinking of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise after the
taking from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It is the Seraphim
which guard against their re-entry, correct? Geburah? Now, were there
two Trees? Why did Man have to perform that?
Now, I have seen of late much discussion here (in another tribe) trying
to figure out just what *had* occured, and for what reason. As to the nature
of Free Will and the Fall, or the Abyss between God and man.
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:09 PMSo, judgment or non-judgment?
Judgment (the wrathful side) or
Non-judgment (the loving side).
Know the difference? What are
we to love? When we love another,
are we not loving God, praising his
creation? Sorry to have made this
seem so black and white, but now
I can but blankly say that the times
appear to dictate that we have
slid to far towards personal separation,
an uncaring attitude toward all our
brothers, and a host of other social
illnesses. The true importance here
is not in declaring some reductive or
schismatic nature to the Godhead,
but in allowing a renewal of fellowship
among all the races of man to develop
so as to forstall our own destruction,
by our very own hands.
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:18 PMHi, WC.
Of course, the traditional response is not to focus on the Qlipoth as it gives them energy.
However, let me take a bit of a different take on this. It seems like you are saying there is a good side to God, represented by the Sephiroth, and a dark side represented by the Qlipoth, and that we, as a civilization, are veering to the side of the Qlipoth.
I would begin by saying that as soon as you give God qualities--a dark side and a light side--you are falling into a Christian (or at least a Gnostic) attitude and not a Kabalistic one. I see nothing in any Kabalistic teaching that removes us from the basic concept that God is One. God doesn't have a dark side or light side--God transcends "sides" completely. The Sephiroth and Qlipoth, then, are manifestations of God in HIs fullness. Shadows can't exist without light. Light comes from the darkness (although the darkness can't comprehend it).
Still from our limited, human perspective, it does seem as if God has these sides. However, IMO this concept is simply a gift from God so that we can eventually come to know He who is beyond all sides.
Yes, the world is a manifestation of Divine Will. Therefore, life and death, kindness and cruelty, are all aspects of God's well. To everything there is a season.
So why do we hate and fear? Are we truly forsaking God? Let us assume, for a moment, that this is all part of God's plan. Although we have as much chance of fully understanding God's plan as an amoeba does of understanding human love, we can still assume that there is a reason for these things. After all, if there is no reason for them then God must be a babbling insane idiot.
I would contend that there is a reason. To understand the reason, however, requires some background.
After the destruction of the second temple and the dispersion of the carriers of Kabalah, different traditions or "schools" of Kabbalah evolved, usually centered in different areas and around a few major teachers. Sometimes, the different schools focused on different areas of life.
One such school was that of Isaac Luria. One of the things Luria focused on was the greatest mystery of life: what happens after death. He came to the conclusion that our souls continue and reincarnate. Why? Because in each lifetime there are things for us to learn until we become closer and closer to being able to do what even Moses could not, gaze upon the very face of God. At that time we would no longer have to incarnate and would live in paradise forever.
So how do we learn? By experience. Thus, the experience of poverty, horrors of war, death of loved ones, ignorance, fear, hate, depression are there for a reason. We experience them to learn so that in this life, or in future ones, we can take what we learned to heart and no longer need to experience the lessons found in poverty, death, ignorance, fear, etc.
This is an approach that does not abandon life to monastic solitude. Rather, it embraces life to its fullest. It allows us to experience the vicissitudes of hate and how understanding can keep us from the deleterious effects of hate. It allows us to learn how living according to God's plan allows us to be healthy. It lets us learn to feel pity for ourselves, so we can find pity for others.
Without what you called God's dark side, we would never have the opportunity to discover the good that is within us all.
Culturally, we have not forsaken God. We are each doing the best we can with the knowledge we have and the skills we have developed with which to use that knowledge. Everything we do is God's will made manifest.
The fact that you see what the dark that manifests in some people implies to me that, for yourself, you have already learned so many lessons. I hope you can be a shining beacon to those who are still seeking.
Thank God! for what you call His dark side. Without it there would have been no way for you to find the light in yourself. -
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:48 PMI agree with what you've said. I do not have the more learned background you have.
I have been the recipient of a warning. And I see it playing out. Greed rules this world.
There have been past cycles where man may have wiped himself out by playing too
much to the greedy side of God. I am most glad you have responded. I am not saying
that God is dualistic. We are. And we, as a species, have fallen too much on the dark
side rather than the light. By what means is it estimated that the Promised Kingdom,
or Heaven, has not already been accomplished? God exists outside of space, outside
of time. I would contend that once one personalizes the experience of Kether and Daath
one can see more clearly what is occuring here.
Of course limitation has its place. But in my mind this occurs at the transition between
Chockmah and Binah. Certain connections between the Sephiroth have arose in my
consciousness. The warning I speak of is potentially nuclear destruction. We are on the
precipice. Even now there is so much division between even the major Judeo-Christian
schismatic elements to the effect that perhaps Iran will be a possible center of this
activity. Neighborliness, remember? We have chosen for some time now to be divided
from other branches of that lineage, to the effect that we are nearly at the brink.
If I am remembering correctly, Zormiel is the qliphah of Tiphareth. In fact I just recently
stumbled over the term while rereading. Contesting Giants. This is the condition of our
major western religions. Now we have weaponry which could both destroy the human
race and every other species, and leave our planet uninhabitable for thousands of years.
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:53 PMAnd I believe our leaders on the large part are the Permitters of Destruction,
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:01 PMIt is most likely God chose his people because he wanted this system to emerge.
Perhaps it had been in place before, to some degree. I am thinking of the Assyrian
King Ashurbanipal who said that he had been taught to read the languages, histories,
or teachings from before the Flood.
"Ashurbanipal was proud of his scribal education. He was one of the few kings who could read cuneiform script in Akkadian and Sumerian and claimed that he even understood texts from before the great flood."
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:07 PMWhat is this 'New World Order' contrived to do?
I am concerned somewhat. I am only one man.
I can only use my voice, I can only try to remake
myself. I am experiencing strange effects. No
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:14 PMIt is also brought to mind the nature even of the rituals
used to explore the Paths, in lodges and such. I have
never been party to any of these, therefore I cannot say
much about them. But in some way I feel such rituals
may have degraded to a state where they have been
employed too much to improve one's own state, while
neglecting the state of the world. In some sense then
they strike me (though I have no knowledge of them)
as being now tantamount to superstition. Of course
I could be wrong. But what lead practitioners to assume
that these studies were to be hoarded away from the
general benefit of mankind? This, most especially now,
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:17 PMBelieve me, I personally had no
particular desire to follow this path.
It really is not my choice, it has been
somewhat of a hardship, a challenge.
Little time, much to accomplish. -
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:19 PMNo one really wants to 'cry wolf'.
Especially not me. I'd rather be
in the bank vault, keeping my
eyeglasses from breaking.
I just want to read.
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 3:26 AMAfter all, if there is no reason for them then God must be a babbling insane idiot...
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:12 AMI have been working myself on what that
last measure to remove the chance of any
energy flowing from me to them might be.
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Re: Enslaved to the Qliphoth, or Liberated by the Sephiroth?
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 4:50 PMDifferenciate the Dogma & the Knowledge;
With Love & Wisdom one obtains Truth.
ML.