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im tired of hearing "the hebrew word meaning ______" when that isn't what you are reading at all in the english version.
if people can sit around and say "well if you look at the hebrew you would see that they use the word for ______ and so when it was translated to ______ the meaning got misconstrued." why is it that no one has sat down and just translated the hebrew texts quite literally?
i find myself thinking i should learn hebrew and just do the world a favor and do it right for once.
if people can sit around and say "well if you look at the hebrew you would see that they use the word for ______ and so when it was translated to ______ the meaning got misconstrued." why is it that no one has sat down and just translated the hebrew texts quite literally?
i find myself thinking i should learn hebrew and just do the world a favor and do it right for once.
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 1:46 AMHi, Jason.
It's not just Hebrew. Virtually every language is difficult to translate into another language.
Linguists recognize at least two types of translations, literal and accurate. Literal translations are simple, word-for-word translations. Accurate translations are when the translator takes such things as context, politics, popular expressions, slang, etc. into account. Therefore, "accurate" translations may more closely reveal the intent and meaning of the original language, but they are limited by the training and knowledge of the translator.
Let me give you an example of trying to translate a simple English sentence:
John said, "She looks bad."
As you probably know, the word "bad" can mean "not good," or depending upon the context, it could actually mean "very good" or "dangerous" or "sexual."
A literal translation into a foreign language would mean, "John said, 'She doesn't look good." An accurate translation would give something different.
In the book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross," John Allegro tells of where Jesus' disciples ask him what to do because the tax collectors are coming for money. He tells them to cast their money into the sea. But this is actually a play on words, indicating that what he meant was they should tell the tax collectors to stick it up their a$$es! If you're going to present Jesus as a revolutionary, that makes far more sense to me. -
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 2:14 AMso what you're saying is that, more or less, if i wanted to fully understand the bible i would need to not only learn to read hebrew and greek but also i would need to focus on the social and cultural aspects of the languages and their native people... and then read the origional texts which you can read... i have no idea where?
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 10:50 AMIf you want the Bible why learn Greek?
Hebrew is enough for the whole thing. If you want Talmud you'll also need Aramaic. -
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 11:14 AMhmmm... i thought i remembered being told some of the books were in greek.
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 8:57 AMto make things a bit more complex.......the torah scroll (5 books of moses), for example, only contains the hebrew letters, but not the vowels. in hebrew, the vowels are written under the letters. therefore, the same word or group of letters with different vowels could have a different meaning. why did the ancient scholars leave out the vowels? to be ambigous? to save time in writing? to give us all something to discuss or argue about? its anyone's guess......
also, some the ancient texts are written in Aramaic and not in hebrew.............
suggest getting multiple translations when ever possible
I do this with the Tao de Ching as well.........I have 4 different translations.......
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 9:50 AMActually you can make some serious headway if you just focus on getting the Hebrew God name behind the generic word for God in most of the English translations. There are various Hebrew God names such as YHVH, Elohim, Shekinah, El-Shaddai, etc. that are making reference to a particular God aspect which may help bring out more meaning to a particular phrase or section of content.
If you want to get anywhere close to an esoteric understanding of the text you will need to do this since not only are words important but the letters themselves are intricate clues into the hidden meaning of what is being presented. A good site to get at the hidden meaning of the Hebrew letters is www.inner.org/hebleter/default.htm
The best bible to use to get to the Hebrew IMO is the The Stone Edition's Tanach www.amazon.com/Tanach-Twe...gy_b_text_b where you can see both the Hebrew and English and the various God names are disinguished e.g. YHVH is called Hashem (meaning the name).
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 10:49 AMthank you!
i appreciate that information very much!! -
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 12:16 PMYou will need Greek as well. Your first inclination was correct.
S and Sham's suggestions are good; the secrets are all in The Name.
Quantum suggestion: FEEL! Embrace your senses and let them glean the treasures. The sound vibrations of The Name by Jonathan Goldman are amazing and deserve lots of time and consideration. He recently teamed with Gregg Braden and with James Twyman with fascinating results.
We all need to breathe and surrender frustration at this point...
Remember, God is science. There's no shortage for inspiration, understanding and direction these days.
Something new for me: DON'T BE BULLIED BY THE HARD LINE!
Something old for me: TRUST AND YOU WILL BE DIRECTED! -
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 1:53 PMIf you want to study New Testament material then Greek might be needed but there is no Greek in the Tanach (perhaps some English translations of the Bible came from the Greek which came from the Hebrew).
Aramaic is also tied to the New Testament although The Zohar is written in a flavor of it. Aramaic though has much commonality with Hebrew (Caananite). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language -
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Re: can someone explain why hebrew is apparently so difficult to translate?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 8:15 PMGreek is important for many reasons, without ties to Pauline "Christianity ": unbeatable for historical commentary of the times, ties to Egypt, Gnostic texts, etc. All connected, all the time...
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