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Anybody know anything about this guy? Info on the web about him seems consistent (a bit agrandizing maybe) and by what I've read of his writings ( www.gnosis-usa.com ) he seems pretty knowledgable. Any thoughts on him and his work?
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Sun, September 26, 2004 - 10:12 AMOne perspective out of many --
He wrote his books in Spanish. A lot of translations are really, really bad. Keep this in mind if you come across something that sounds off.
Master Samael started a movement to spread the gnostic teachings and it subsequently branched out into many smaller movements.
He emphasized a few things: alert perception (awareness), death of the ego from moment to moment (a work with the Divine Mother), white tantrism (alchemy w/ spouse and w/o ejaculation), spiritual progress through merits of the heart, and direct experience of the internal worlds.
The story is that most of the gnostics at the time had become fanatics who idolized the personality of Samael Aun Weor and all of his words, but never actually did the work for themselves. It was becoming something like a new religion.
Master Samael announced later in his life that one of his students had reached mastery and was to carry the teachings forward in the public eye. This was Master Rabolu, who went on to form the Colombian branch of the Universal Christian Gnostic Movement.
However, most of the gnostics at the time rejected Rabolu's movement. They called him demon this and devil that, etc.
If you were to read Rabolu's books, you would see that they are just simplified versions of Samael's works. He was trying to pull people out of their intellectual fascination and fanatical tendencies, but it didn't pan out so well.
Mark Pritchard was able to incarnate his Master while following the teachings of both men. His name is Master Belzebuub. He developed the courses over at mysticweb.org with the same goal as Rabolu -- to bring some practical gnostics into the world.
The courses are given on the website and at various locations around the globe. All are free.
Finally, there are a lot of gnostic branches that speak against Rabolu and Belzebuub. Some even condemn astral travel and the death in motion (or the death from moment to moment). I won't tell you to steer clear of these schools, but simply try to remain objective when coming to your own conclusions.
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, November 16, 2004 - 5:48 PMIn my opinion there is a very shallow understanding of Gnosis being spoken of here.
It is stated in not only The Three Mountains but also in The Mystery of the Golden Blossom that Master Rabolu's son (the personality who called himself the Master) was off track and mistaken.
It is cearly known by those who take time to understand the science of meditation that the axioms upon which mysticweb ensares its students is a self feeding logic that goes no where.
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, December 7, 2004 - 11:50 AMHey Joseph,
How can you say that they're not profound if you haven't lived them out? :)
Could you give me the specific page number(s) where VM Samael spoke of Master Rabolu in this way?
What do the mysticweb courses teach? Awareness, self-observation, death of the ego from moment-to-moment, meditation with koans and the duality, the same conjurations and mantras given by Master Samael in his books, and the works of death and birth in the alchemy. All three factors are included. There's nothing left out.
Peace,
Denny
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Mon, October 11, 2004 - 5:37 PMAll about the Master Rabolu and some of his publications...
www.rebel-eagle.net/
orbita.starmedia.com/rabolu/index.html
Poorly translated in some spots, but still highly valuable information.
Peace,
Denny
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, November 16, 2004 - 6:18 PMI would say that his book The Initiatic Path in the Arcana of Tarot and Kabbalah is the most in depth explanation of the esoteric science contained in any one single book. For this reason, also, it is difficult and even impossible for many people to understand it. -
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BEWARE!
Sun, January 30, 2005 - 6:36 AMSameil Aum Weor is very popular in South America (which is the place where I live). Some people has recently been trying to spread his movement to North America and English-speaking countries.
Let me say that the movement he started is a VERY DANGEROUS CULT. the main teaching of his groups is that his lunacy (i.e, his texts) should be taken as a sacred word... people who joins his groups are forced accept each single word by him as a divine revelation.
One of his main teachings are that males should NEVER ejaculate... the result is that most males become CELIBATE after joining his groups (because it's simply not possible not to EVER release sperm!) What about reproduction? He had a marvelous theory... which mainly said that sperm has nothing to do with reproduction!!!!
I personally know SEVERAL people who got involved in his groups and ALL of them end up getting seriously damaged (one of them was convinced that his teacher was Jesus Christ, who came to Earth in a UFO... before creating the planet Mars... yes, those were his perceptions about the moron that was "teaching" him in a Samaelian "gnostic" group). Another guy had to spend a whole season at a mental hospital after spending 3 or 4 years involved with one of his groups.
Take it for granted that the version of Gnosticism that Samael shows both in his books and groups have NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL GNOSTICISM.
His teachings are simply fanatic lunacies for the simple minded who need a moron who acted as a messiah... Stay away from him. Even Ron Hubbard was cooler than him... and it ain't easy to get more cultist than scientology. -
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Re: BEWARE!
Mon, January 31, 2005 - 6:45 AMHi Kzwleh,
What do you think of this saying from the Gospel of Thomas? --
Jesus said, "You see the mote in your brother's eye, but you do not see the beam in your own eye. When you cast the beam out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to cast the mote from your brother's eye."
Master Samael Aun Weor taught that being celibate was not the way. His whole entire doctrine essentially rests on sexual magic between man and woman. Well, that and the doctrine of the many I's.
Furthermore, Master Samael doesn't say that sperm has nothing to do with reproduction. He says that it only takes one little guy to fertilize an egg. That's all. Isn't it true? Any modern day scientist would tell you the same.
Samael said, first and foremost, we must learn to be true gnostics (i.e., we must learn how to verify things for ourselves in the superior dimensions). It is not enough to lead a "good life." We must examine ourselves from moment to moment.
Moreover, we must learn how to live DANGEROUSLY. We can't run off to a cave, lock ourselves up in the attic, avoid the great challenges of daily life, become celibate, etc. By doing this, we will eliminate the very thing that brings our psychological defects out for an objective examination. This is what the Master taught.
Surely it's difficult to conserve and transmute the sexual energy one's entire life, but does that mean it's impossible? According to various schools of thought in the east, it's not only possible, but also necessary.
Obviously, Master Samael was not the first to present the idea of sexual magic with no ejaculation. We should take this into consideration when evaluating the idea.
There are many crazy fundamentalist Christians, but does that mean Jesus was some sort of lunatic?
It's not fair to label Master Samael and his teachings this or that simply because a movement has degenerated. Isn't it true that the master always comes out of the wilderness with gold, but it turns to dust when placed in the hands of his followers?
Actually, a student from one of those South American organizations recently stated that astral travel was forbidden by the leaders over there. Gnosis without astral travel? That's like getting out of bed without pulling the covers down first.
In many cases, people proclaim that they're practicing gnosis, when, in truth, they're simply adopting a new religion. They have mistaken gnosis for something it is not -- a book of moral conduct, a handy set of beliefs, etc.
Gnosis is what? It is the discipline of knowing oneself. Gnosis is essentially experimental psychology.
If you haven't tried to conserve and transmute the sexual energy, perhaps you should consider testing it thoroughly in the laboratory. Try it for a year, coupled with awareness and self-observation, and measure the psychological change.
You mentioned fanaticism as if it can only be found in one place. However, all we have to do is look around and see that it's just about everywhere. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, right?
There is a good explanation for so much spiritual delusion, though, and Master Samael discussed this quite a bit.
He said the astral dimension is divided into two parts -- positive and negative. Sadly, most of us only go to the negative half, which is full of deceit (evil spirits), and this is why so many are deceived.
However, if we embody both sides, we will be able to see the objective reality clearly. By the way, the physical plane is not the objective reality. :)
Master Samael taught that we can accomplish this great feat through sexual magic. He called it "working in the flaming forge of Vulcan" and "descending to the Ninth Sphere."
In essence, we work to raise the seven serpents -- the physical, vital, astral, mental, causal, buddhic, and atmic -- in order to create the Solar Man.
The Solar Man is then considered an Initiate of the Universal White Lodge. He then begins the laborious task of elevating consciousness in the world. This is when the drama of Christ's Passion begins to unfold within the depths of our Being.
Lastly, I know a lot of people who follow the teachings that are quite normal. That's something to consider.
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Re: BEWARE!
Mon, January 31, 2005 - 7:52 AMThe teachings of Samael Aum Weor... or Victor Manuel Gomez Rodriguez, which was his real name, were based on "revelations" that he had.
The organization he created is based on brainwashing people in order to make them believe that each single word said by Samel Aum Weor is sacred.
Live dangerously??? haha... Don't give him the disguise of a rebel man! He was not, he was VERY conservative and moralistic.
To follow the "revelations" of a loon has nothing to do with Gnosticism! It has a lot to do with lunacy.
People who join his CULT are lead to stop deciding what to do with their lives, they loose the power of choosing what they want to do. I've seen the RESULTS: so you won't fool me. As I've said, I've seen a person going directly to a mental hospital, another person who could only speak as a madman (and it is SAD to see a 30 years old man telling you that his "teacher", the guy who was his instructor, is actually Jesus Christ, who came to Earth in a UFO and that he created Mars in his way to planet earth).
Samael does not say that the "way to do it" is becoming celibate... but most male practicioners of his idiocy BECOME CELIBATE after experiencing that it is simply not possible for them to have sex and NEVER EJACULATE.
I don't know why should someone call him "master", when PSYCHOPATH is the best word to describe him.
"You see the mote in your brother's eye"? Don't make me laugh... I've seen people destroying their lives, going to mental hospitals, loosing the power to decide... because of Samael Weor.
Criminal is a better way to call him. That's what I've seen... people who had to make a big effort in order to stay alive after 3 or 4 years of having joined the cult of Samael... that' by far bigger than a mote. I'm hardly a saint, but I am sure that I never lead anyone to get close to mental suicide.
A cult of fanatis following the "revelations" of a conservative psychopath is not what I call "Gnosis"...
I have NOTHING AGAINST OCCULT ORGANIZATIONS... I like a few of them, I dislike a few of them... BUT BRAINWASHING CULTS is something that I really hate: because I've seen people destroying their lives because of them.
As I've said, even Scientology is less destructive than the "Gnosis" of Samael Weor (or Victor Manuel Gomez Rodriguez)... and it ain't easy to get more brainwashing than Scientology. -
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Re: BEWARE!
Mon, January 31, 2005 - 12:46 PMMaster Samael is a rebel in the true sense of the word. He went to war with himself and came out victorious. There are few men like that in this world.
A general can provide soldiers with a lot of training and equipment, but he can't guarantee their safety on the battlefield. A soldier understands the risk. This much is obvious in this physical world.
However, it's not so obvious in the inner worlds, where things actually get a lot more dangerous. Over there, millions of black magicians are waiting to throw somebody into a state of delusion. It happens all the time, because it is a battlefield, and battlefields are dangerous places.
Master Samael came as a general and gave people techniques and tools to start their own psychological rebellion. Of course, where they went with that was entirely up to them.
Somebody may believe that JC is their personal teacher, and it might even be true, but I'm pretty sure the Master didn't shove this information down their throat in order to "brainwash" them.
It's much more likely that the individual got caught up in a spiritual fantasy of their own design. People give into illusions of grandeur all the time. It can happen to anybody at anytime.
Master Samael stressed that being celibate was not the way. He consistently said that the kundalini could not truly awaken without sexual magic. It was the root of his entire doctrine.
So, these individuals you speak of were obviously following some other doctrine, because the Master never once said the celibate lifestyle would lead to the awakening of consciousness.
Of course, he never said celibacy was a bad thing, but he certainly didn't encourage his disciples to live in such a way.
Samael Aun Weor is the name of Victor Manuel Gomez Rodriguez's Master. It is the eternal name of that particular personality's Being.
We each have a Master within us. According to Master Samael's teaching, we must raise the solar serpents in order to incarnate the Master. When the seventh serpent is raised, Atman, the Spirit, the Master, will be incarnated.
Victor Manuel Gomez Rodriguez carried out this highly challenging work and incarnated his Master. We can all do the same. That is the promise anyhow.
I'm not sure what "Real Gnosis" is if it isn't pure, no holds barred, experimental psychology. Gnosis isn't supposed to be a comfortable new age religion, but a way to live each life we are given to the fullest of our potential.
Truly, I think you are judging the Master unfairly. Your view is obviously biased by personal experience, and that much is understandable.
Master Rabolu actually said he started a new movement precisely because the old one was full of fanatics. Then Master Rabolu eventually had to shut his own movement down for the same reason. Obviously, fanaticism is a very powerful thing!
Master Belzebuub's movement consists of dry technical material on astral travel, self discovery, and the esoteric path. It is all completely practical information. Practice is stressed above all else.
Nobody is asked for money, nobody is asked to leave their homes or their families, etc. You might even be surprised at how "normal" everybody is.
Then again, if you're locked into your own viewpoint and unwilling to explore the other side of the equation, you're free to do so. However, if this is the case, I can only wonder who's trying to do the brainwashing around here.
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Re: BEWARE!
Mon, January 31, 2005 - 11:15 PMSoldiers? Generals? Battlefields? Generals that send their soldiers to die?
I am so glad that my spirituality has nothing to do with the "general" and master Samael (and, hey, by the way, a master NEEDS SLAVES & servants... am I wrong? Oh no...).
Fanaticism is what Samael Aum Weor breeds... yes, "soldiers"... blindly following a "general".
Is that what Gnosis means to Samael?
When you say: "Nobody is asked for money, nobody is asked to leave their homes or their families, etc. You might even be surprised at how normal everybody is"... I can only reply to you that I've seen that shit happening; It's not something that a third person told me as a rumour... it happened to close friends of mine. You can also see similar stories of former "Samaelian Gnostics" in several websites. I've sent the links to a couple of them. So your point is that all these people who have had similar stories are a big conspiracy of liars? I don't think so.
Should I "explore the other side of the equation"???
Yes, I maybe I should be really enthusiast about the CULT that lead a friend of mine to a mental hospital and transformed another friend of mine in a perfect schizo who can only babble about UFOs and his teacher as the incarnation of Christ!
I do not want your life of Battlefields, soldiers and generals (I certainly dislike the "general" who would gladly send their "soldiers" to death... I think that your "general" is a megalomaniac psychopath... and that's what Samael Aum Weor was... a conservative psychopath).
Should I follow the revelations of a swindler? I don't think so.
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Re: BEWARE!
Tue, February 1, 2005 - 9:47 AMMaster Samael called Gnosis "pure experimental psychology." That's all.
<< I can only reply to you that I've seen that shit happening; >>
You're speaking of a different movement. Your probably right in not following that path. However, I'm speaking of Master Belzebuub's movement. It is something quite different. If you're willing to explore with an open mind, you will see that this is true.
<< As for the black magicians of the inner words... boo! "I see dead people". >>
Dr. Faustus: Come, I think hell's a fable.
Mephistopheles: Ay, think so still, till experience change thy mind.
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Mon, January 31, 2005 - 8:20 AMwww.sos-gnosis.org/index.en.html
This is the webpage of an Association that helps people affected by gnosis (not exactly by "Gnosis" as they clarify, but by the "Gnosis" of Samael, for they have respect for the true Gnosis). This organization was created by former members of the group of Samael. Too bad that the contents in English are not enought yet, but there's a lot in Spanish if you can read Spanish.
By the way, I have not seen former members of many groups creating groups in order to help people affected by that group... unless that the group is a cult.
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A few facts about Samaelian "gnostic" groups:
Persons who are married to a person who does not want to get involved in the group are asked to leave their partner or the group (not in the moment of joining, of course, but a few years after having joined). they are also asked not to have ANY contact with family members (parents, sons, etc) who are not involved in the group.
If they have a house, they are often convinced of making a donation to the group and give their house to the group in order to let people from the group live there. They receive the promise that they will receive knowledge faster if they do such thing.
If you read Spanish, here's another webpage with a few interesting facts about the cultist manipulation of Samaelian "gnostic" groups:
www.geocities.com/elause/gnosis1.htm
It seems that there are no simlar webages in English yet. I am sure that there will be thousands of them if the doctrine of Samel is spread in English speaking countries.
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Mon, January 31, 2005 - 12:46 PMMaster Samael never taught those things to anybody. He encouraged people to live in the world and to do their duty, to develop a strong family and a loving household, etc.
The problem isn't with the teaching, but the interpretation of the teaching. This is true in all cases. It's not a new thing to see something truly esoteric get polluted by the massive spiritual egos of certain disciples.
Master Samael also emphasized the need for one's own inner development. He didn't want followers. He simply wanted to get people into the higher dimensions in a conscious state, so that they could explore the mystery of their Being in a direct, personal fashion.
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Fri, December 14, 2007 - 10:42 AMThe person who keeps posting the stuff about brainwashing is clearly someone who clearly is quick to emotional judgements, the whole tone of those emails is so emotionally unstable.. For a start they can't even spell the Master's name correctly - Samael Aun Weor -which shows how suspect their information is.
His friend:
"one of them was convinced that his teacher was Jesus Christ, who came to Earth in a UFO... before creating the planet Mars... " Nobody I have met in the Gnostic Movement or anyway in the 30-40 books I have read would say this.. the person in question obviously has a shallow understanding of Gnosis.
He does indeed have a third person perspective, as he has not been involved in the organisation in any way, and just has his own opinions about certain friends.
There are differing opinions of Rabolu but Samael does not speak openly against Rabolu in either of those books (3 Mountains, Golden Blossom), unless it is said in some covert manner). -
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Sat, December 15, 2007 - 6:47 PMI have to say that I am somewhat new to any "organized" Gnostic ideas. But, with that said I so far feel like many of the teachings of Samael Aun Weor are nothing less than a revelation (but, since it is new to me, will confess this to be a mental or philosophical revelation). I have never seen so many esoteric ideas, from the entire world of religious doctrines, tied together in such a coherent and concise manor... ever! If you have ever studied the esoteric (hidden) traditions of religion, from the Orient to the Occident, I believe you will find that Samael's tradition almost seamlessly bridges any philosophical gaps between them. In other words, the doctrines from the individual spiritual cultures are not tampered with; they are essentially unified through a VERY thorough comparative study.
And now, with that said, remember that Jesus stated that "for we know in part and we prophecy in part" - 1 Corinthians 13:9. Why would any one person ever take what any other one person says as the WHOLE truth? That man that wound up going crazy, believing his god to be a Martian, might one day tweak his Karma enough to stand on his own two feet! Here are some words from Samael Aun Weor: "I do not follow anyone, nor do I want anyone to follow me. What I want is for each one of you to follow his own Self. I am only a lighthouse in the sea of existence, and I do not need clientele in order to subsist... Masters exists in abundance, and I am only one of many; thus, those who want to find the Masters will find them inside [of themselves], within the profundities of their own inner consciousness." - Inside the Vestibule of Wisdom. Now I'm sorry, but this sounds like the man, was in fact, asking people to run all information through their own processors (mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, etc). Please use the tools that God gave you; He is not found without, but within!
Lastly, I have to say that my "jury is out" on the idea of "spilling the seed"(orgasm) as being the "original sin". I have never practiced sexual tantrism. But in view of the global pain I seem to witness on a daily basis, regarding the misuses and abuses of sex (with extreme suffering being the consistent outcome), I am willing to see where the practice might lead before I throw stones at it. Humanity is so out-of-bounds (screwed up) with its lust, and subsequent degenerative effects, that extreme measure might, in fact, be in order.
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The Antichrist
Sat, December 22, 2007 - 12:43 PMWritten by Samael Aun Weor
Dazzling intellectualism, as the manifested functionalism of the psychological "I," is without a doubt the Antichrist.
Those who suppose that the Antichrist is a strange personage born somewhere on the Earth or coming from this or that country are certainly completely mistaken.
We have emphatically stated that the Antichrist is definitely not a particular person, but all people.
Obviously, the Antichrist itself exists deep within each person and expresses itself in many ways.
Intellect which is placed in the service of the Spirit is useful; intellect which is divorced from the Spirit becomes useless.
Villains arise from intellectualism without spirituality: a vivid manifestation of the Antichrist. Obviously, the villain, in and for itself, is the Antichrist.
Unfortunately, the world today with all its tragedies and miseries is governed by the Antichrist. The state of chaos in which modern humanity finds itself is undoubtedly due to the Antichrist.
The iniquitous one, of which Paul of Tarsus spoke in his Epistles, is certainly the harsh reality of our times. The iniquitous one is already here. It manifests itself everywhere; it certainly has the gift of ubiquity.
It argues in cafes, negotiates at the United Nations, sits comfortably in Geneva, conducts experiments in laboratories, invents atomic bombs, remote-controlled missiles, asphyxiating gases, bacteriological bombs, etc., etc., etc.
The Antichrist, fascinated by its own intellectualism, which is absolutely exclusive to know-it-alls, believes that it knows all of the phenomena of Nature.
The Antichrist, believing itself to be omniscient, is trapped in the decay of its own theories. It directly rejects anything resembling God, or that which is worshipped. The self-sufficiency, pride and arrogance of the Antichrist are unbearable. The Antichrist mortally hates the Christian virtues of faith, patience and humility.
Everyone bows before the Antichrist. Obviously, it has invented ultrasonic aircraft, wonderful ships, splendid cars, amazing medicines, etc. Under such conditions, who can doubt the Antichrist?
In this day and age, anyone who dares to speak against all the miracles and wonders of the Son of Perdition condemns himself to everyone's ridicule, sarcasm and irony; he condemns himself to be classified as stupid and ignorant.
It is hard to make serious and studious people understand the former statements. They in and on themselves react and offer resistance.
Clearly, the intellectual animal mistakenly called human being is a robot, programmed at kindergarten, primary and secondary school, college and the university, etc. No one can deny that a programmed robot functions according to its programming. In no way could it function if the program were removed. The Antichrist has produced the program with which the humanoid robots of these decadent times are programmed.
Making these clarifications, emphasizing what I am saying, is frightfully difficult, as this is not in the program. No humanoid robot would admit things that are not in the program. The absorption of the mind is so tremendous and serious a matter that a humanoid robot will never even remotely suspect that the program is useless; he has been organized according to that program and to doubt it seems like heresy, something incongruous and absurd. For a robot to doubt its own program is absurd, an absolute impossibility, because its very existence depends upon that program.
Unfortunately, things are not as humanoid robots think they are. There is another science, another wisdom, which they find unacceptable. The humanoid robot reacts, and rightly so, as it is not programmed to deal with another science or another culture, or anything else that differs from its well-known program.
The Antichrist has prepared the programs of the humanoid robot and the robot humbly prostrates itself before its master. How could a robot possibly doubt the wisdom of its master?
A child is born innocent and pure. The Essence expressing itself through each child is exceedingly precious. Without a doubt, Nature deposits in the brain of newborns all the wild, natural, sylvan, cosmic and spontaneous information indispensable for the capture or comprehension of truths. These are contained in any natural phenomena perceivable by the senses. This means that a new born baby can discover by itself the reality of each natural phenomenon. Regrettably, the Antichrist's program interferes with it, and the marvelous qualities placed by Nature in the brains of the newborns are soon destroyed. The Antichrist prohibits different ways of thinking; all babies that are born must be programmed by order of the Antichrist.
There is no doubt that the Antichrist mortally hates that precious sense of the Being known as the 'faculty of instinctive perception of cosmic truths.'
Pure science, different from the decaying university theories which exist here, there and everywhere, is something inadmissible for the Antichrist's robots.
Many wars, famines and diseases have been propagated by the Antichrist throughout the world, and no doubt they will continue to be propagated before the arrival of the final catastrophe. Unfortunately, the hour of the great apostasy has arrived (that time announced by all the prophets), and no human being will dare to rise up against the Antichrist. -
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Re: The Antichrist
Sat, December 22, 2007 - 8:16 PMThe concept of the antichrist is a Christian philosophy and not related to the Kabbalah.
So oncewas, how about sharing how you think it is related to the Kabbalah instead of just copying something?
And speaking of copying, the material you posted here is under copyright. That means that unless you have written authorization to post it, you have broken the law and are a thief.
What does Víctor Manuel Gómez Rodríguez say about thieves who break the law by stealing from people? -
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Re: The Antichrist
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 11:55 AMI Posted who wrote it, man..
It was related to the topic of Samael Aun Weor who wrote it..
I was posting it because of what Samael says about intellectual thought patterns in society..It seemed like a good quote at the time...
If you think I have erred in some way then I beg your pardon..Please forgive me...
I come in peace..
blessings..
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Re: The Antichrist
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 12:15 PMIf it is illegal to quote someone then things are even worse than I thought..
As for Víctor Manuel Gómez Rodríguez.. He was a great writer that comes across a little intensely sometimes. I prefer Amma or Yoganandas way to enlightenment over his although if someone is on a path of knowledge then this may or may not help you..It might be best to still the mind and get the information on your own, intuitively. I have to admit that i enjoy listening to some of the lectures and I'll have to second what Craigers said.
I will say that a philosopher I am not..
I am blessed with something else..
I think that quote up there is important for everyone to remember..We have to get out of our heads and into our hearts..
Sometimes i wonder how into the heart Samael was even though he talks a good amount about it.. hmmm..
it doesn't matter as long as I am...
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Re: The Antichrist
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 1:30 PMNo, it is not illegal to quote someone.
It IS illegal to take large sections of someone else's writing and publish it without their consent.
I'm waiting to see what Mr. Rodriguez has to say about theft of other people's works. Or perhaps you think he would have been just fine with stealing. If you think that is so, please tell us.
And I'm still waiting to see why YOU think this is related to the Kabbalah.
If you don't have a reason other than being so ego-driven that you think what you believe is more important than what anybody else believes, I can certainly understand that.
So if you can't come up with permission to post Mr. Rodriguez' writings and have just stolen them because you egotistically think you have the right to do that, and if you can't come up with an explanation of why you think your post was related to the Kabbalah, but you egotistically thought you simply had to post your theft here, perhaps you could at least post something about what Mr. Rodriguez says about egotism? I'd certainly like to read that. Just a sentence or two should do. That's absolutely legal. -
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Re: The Antichrist
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 4:26 PMThis kind of hostility doesn't deserve a response..
May you come to terms with your demons sir, and may I, by divine grace see and transmute all of mine into light and unconditional love..
"The Antichrist (intellectualism), believing itself to be omniscient, is trapped in the decay of its own theories. It directly rejects anything resembling God, or that which is worshipped. The self-sufficiency, pride and arrogance of the Antichrist (intellectualism) are unbearable. The Antichrist (intellectualism) mortally hates the Christian virtues of faith, patience and humility."
Samael Aun Weor..
many blessings and much love your way...
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Re: The Antichrist
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 8:44 PMIn other words, you refuse to respond because you're too embarrassed by your own egotism.
Whatever.
It would seem that your intellectualism hates faith in honesty, patience with those who question you, and any degree of humility you might have had.
What does that make you?
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Re: The Antichrist
Tue, December 25, 2007 - 2:36 PM"At this time [the Messianic Era]...a spirit will go out and will not return - this is the spirit of Mashiach. Woe to those who cause him to depart and leave the world, never to return! These are those who make the Torah as a dry [barren] place and do not desire to involve themselves in the wisdom of the Kabbala. Woe to those, who bring about poverty and war and disgrace and murder and destruction in the world."
- Tikunei Zohar, Tikun 30
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Re: The Antichrist
Wed, December 26, 2007 - 4:56 AM"No, it is not illegal to quote someone.
It IS illegal to take large sections of someone else's writing and publish it without their consent."
Samael Aun Weor publicly renounced all his copyrites, so it is actually not illegal to post or repost his material, at whatever length:
"My dear friends, now and forever, I renounce, have renounced and will go on renouncing copyrights. My only wish is that these books be sold at a low price, affordable to the poor, affordable to all the children of God. I wish that even the poorest, most destitute citizen be able to obtain these books with the few pennies he carries in his pocket. In fact, I do not have any income; I do not demand anything in exchange for my works. Whosoever wants to publish them, let him publish for the benefit of diseased mankind." -
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Re: The Antichrist
Thu, December 27, 2007 - 1:02 AMPhil, others have web sites that have published his work and put a copyright on them. This is like a book that is in the public domain but people copyright design, font, etc. This was clearly taken directly from just such a site. -
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Thu, December 27, 2007 - 8:04 AM"Phil, others have web sites that have published his work and put a copyright on them. This is like a book that is in the public domain but people copyright design, font, etc. This was clearly taken directly from just such a site. "
Shambhalanth, don't you think you're being a little severe here? Obviously the poster did not pick up and paste a reformulation of the work which would have indeed been a copyright issue. If the content he posted is the content written and given to public domain, it doesn't matter where he got it as long as whatever value-add wasn't brought here without permission.
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Re: The Antichrist
Thu, December 27, 2007 - 8:39 AMSteven, a quick web search showed that he had copied this directly from a site under copyright based not simply on the text, but on the formatting and the way the byline was set up.
Note that your work has a copyright, including the formatting. So the entire work is under copyright. More importantly, when legal authorities look at copyright violations, they look at a variety of things, including: is the material in question simply being copied and republished, or, is it to support original comments? As you put it, in your book, "I wrapped my commentary around" the book. -
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Thu, December 27, 2007 - 10:48 AMTHIS IS AN IRONIC SEPARATE "COPYRIGHT THREAD", GENTLEMEN.... MAYBE WE SHOULD START TALKING PUBLISHERS, SHAM? -
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Thu, December 27, 2007 - 12:08 PM"THIS IS AN IRONIC SEPARATE "COPYRIGHT THREAD", GENTLEMEN"
Are you saying the Antichrist might be a Copyright lawyer Silverstar :-)?
Here's some copyrighted material I'm making available for free download that suggests another slant on the Antichrist and includes a significant amount of Kabbalah discussion.
mysite.verizon.net/ressgrst...ights.pdf
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Re: The Antichrist
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 9:36 AMYOU MIGHT BE ON TO SOMETHING, STEVEN. MY FATHER WAS ALWAYS SUSPECT OF SWISS BANKERS...
ON A DIFFERENT NOTE, I JUST WOULD LOVE IT IF PEOPLE WOULD STICK TO A TOPIC ONCE IN A WHILE. REALITY CHECK: WE ARE ALL QUOTING EACH OTHER CONSTANTLY; THERE ARE NO ORIGINAL THOUGHTS IN THE UNIVERSE. WE CAN ONLY HOPE SHEKINAH HAS SOME NEW IDEAS FOR US POOR MORTALS!!! -
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 11:06 AMSilverstar, there is a big difference between simply quoting someone and stealing large quantities from works on sites that clearly state the material on the site in under copyright.
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Re: The Antichrist
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 10:22 AMThe anti-Christ is Samuel fallen. would be a part of the Quipoloth (however it's spelled)... there to remind you of what you are not. The Kabbalah is beyond orthodoxy.
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, December 25, 2007 - 8:14 AM"tribes » religion & beliefs » kabbalah » topics »
Samael Aun Weor topic posted Sat, September 25, 2004 - 6:04 PM by Dan
Anybody know anything about this guy? Info on the web about him seems consistent (a bit agrandizing maybe) and by what I've read of his writings ( www.gnosis-usa.com ) he seems pretty knowledgable. Any thoughts on him and his work?
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Dan
224 friends"----
That is the topic ...Samael Aun Weor
The topic isn't Kabbalah although this man has written a lot of informative works on the subject, and yes this is a kabbalah tribe.
interestingly enough, Samael has been called the AntiChrist by some lost souls..
My my me o my o.... I've heard about things like this but it's still hard to believe when it happens..hmmm
The dark is getting darker and the light is getting lighter so things are getting interestingly apparent..
This page needs a good Violet dousing...
all there is is love..do do do do do..all there is is love, love..
love is all there is..love is all there is..
ahhhh the Beatles ...
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, December 25, 2007 - 9:19 AMLove is all there is except when you force it on people who don't want it.
That's called "rape."
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 5:48 AMRegarding his teachings, I'm new at Kaballah and indeed Sam Aun Weor.
Am I correct in saying that he claims that one should NOT orgasm in order to transmutate the sexual energy into another non-physical energy (ie. no sperm) but more astral or creative upon a higher arc?
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:06 AMThis is correct about the transmutation of energy. This is also the same in Tibetan esoteric Buddhist tradition such as New Kadampa, in which the candidate for enlightenment makes an oath to not spill their semen.
Samael said that homosexuality was degenerated heterosexuality rather than black magic, and qualified as a crime against nature.
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 2:51 PMI was once a member of a gnostic academy based on Samael Aun Weor's teachings. I can't speak for "Master" Samael himself, but my opinion of the group is not a positive one. It seemed rather cult-like in its teachings, and from what I've heard from other people who've read his books, they seem to have followed his teachings pretty closely. For a group that emphasizes killing the ego, they sure seemed pretty egotistical. They were not without their insights, but overall I cannot recommend this school of thought. -
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 5:19 AMThanks Jon
As it happens i know of other schools of thought which recommend (? is that right! I forget how to spell!!!) the destruction of the ego, the followers of which all seem incredibly self-involved and self-centred to me. But I could be wrong about this. They're nice people, but very self-involved and not at all without ego. A Course of Miracles would be one example.
Thanks for your replies though Jon, its good to get a third party perspective.
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 12:53 PMHeart, hand to mind,
With Grace'
blessed be'
Motumba'
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 9:07 AMIt should be noted that Samael Aun Weor claimed to be Kalki, Maitreya, and the "White Rider" of the Book of Revelation. There's actually a phenomenon among gurus known as "going Kalki." They start out humble, saying they and their followers are one. Then they put themselves above their followers, saying "I am the teacher, you are the student." Then eventually they claim to be Kalki, at which point it is not recommended that you drink any Kool-Aid they might serve you. It's a very special form of insanity. -
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 11:32 AMThank you for that information, Jon.
This also happens just to visitors to Jerusalem:
"There’s something in Jerusalem that makes some 150 tourists a year lose their minds. Some of them think they’re the Messiah or the devil, others feel they must destroy a mosque or a church, and yet others know where the Ark of the Covenant is hiding."
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 1:03 PM"Jerusalem Fever" is well documented and I have written quite a bit about over the years. Thank you for bringing up this important point for the general readership. Just an idea: why don't you start a separate thread on this topic? It could prove interesting, Sham. -
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 4:05 PMWell, SS, since you have written about it, might I suggest that you are more qualified to open up the topic?
Besides, MY duties as messiah take up too much time. LOL
I realize that YOUR messiah duties may get in the way, but I'm sure you could do it!
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 12:19 PMSRC PLEASE SHAM; "SS" GIVES ME THE CREEPS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS...
I COULD DO A QUICK COPY AND PASTE MANANA, FITTED INTO MY BUSY MESSIANIC SCHEDULE.. ~:>) -
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 4:21 PMJust a quick copy and paste as promised yesterday, Sham, concerning “Jerusalem Fever”. This quote is from an article entitled "Reincarnation Memory VS Historical Record" by SRC © 2007, under the sub-chapter: “Group Mind Memory”. It is not my intention to begin a new thread with this post, but to put a slightly different twist on this Messianic-phenomenon, pointing out this behavior pattern is displayed in many forms, in many different places. It is important for all readers unfamiliar with this particular form of mental illness to realize it is NOT confined to the holy and much contested city of Jerusalem.
"Imagine a complex, deeply spiritual person born to a fundamentalist Christian family in the heartland of the USA. Reincarnation is not accepted by many in this part of the world, though billions the world over do believe in this concept. This individual, complex and sensitive, remembers his past-life name, always whispering in his ear from early childhood. When asked his name by passer-bys, he wants to answer Jesus, not Billy or Joe. Perhaps Jesus slips out several times spontaneously, just enough times for his people to start withdrawing affection. This diminishes the individual’s identity from that point on. After the onslaught of the hormone rampage of adolescence, he feels mistrust from other’s judgments and disbelief, which causes rage to grow. The people caring and responsible for this individual, has surface contempt for his core identity which is sensed palpably, leading to the erosion of individual power. Once psychic isolation occurs, suicidal tendencies set-in. The road to suicide seems sudden to those outside the individual’s head, though in reality the process is a slow-burn over many years of psychological diminishment. Finally the individual surrenders to helplessness and mental illness. Which comes first, the memory or the imbalance or the diminishment; what happens to the human psyche when all three of these components come together at once? Answer: institutionalization."
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Thu, January 31, 2008 - 4:22 PMI WOULD PERSONALLY BE MORE COMFORTABLE OFF THE WEOR THREAD THOUGH, SINCE I FLY THE RAINBOW FLAG....;>)
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Re: Samael Aun Weor
Wed, January 28, 2009 - 4:42 AMCan I just say, that all this is exactly why the teachings were simplified by Rabolou and now Belzebuub.
People need to forget about intellectual understanding, slander, opinions, egos etc and simply try to improve their own behaviour with prayer, charity and change. Fanaticism is dangerous and people should always be aware of it. Forget about who said what - look within at our own villians.
I believe the Samaels old movement is dead and fantatical - even crazy. This forum thread confirms that.
The new one (www.gnosticmovement.com) lets people discover what Samael taught for themselves with some wise guidance. But its up to the individual to be diligent and just watch themselves, to not fall into mental traps and be criticising even of their own so-called experience.
We shouldn't blindly believe anyone, and we should also be wary of our own minds and opinions. That's the teaching of the current Gnostic Movement if you understand it.