>>What is the Antero Alli perspective?<<

Isn't that a rock group that used to tour with the Alan Parson's Project

>> first, what is Tim's 8Cb/Kundalini perspective...

As far as I know the kundalini is a kind of energy stored in your base energy center. When you engage it til it passes through a threshold, it drills up your spine out the top of your crown.

I haven't had the experience yet, but it may bring an enhanced awareness, and new and different mental and psychic abilities.

see the 1988 afterword at the back of the book for a beautiful explanation of this question and an exploration of the falsity of New Age spiritual practices.

in the 8cb dvd mr alli also explains eloquently the relationship between trans-substantiation (moving energy up and out of the body) and substantiation (moving energy into the body) in the hindu and western traditions - that being that while hindu traditions posit the goal of their yogic practices to be the transformation of energy up and out of the body, the angel tech system posits an emphasis on the real role of living being the conscious participation of both directions happening simultaneously.

this reflects what i came to know as the falsity and illusion of the one way journey - that no matter how high we get, we must nonetheless commit to and take responsibility for the totality of our manifestations and that means all of who we are on the most dense and subtle levels. In India there is a certain precedence on making harmonic the mess of collective horizontal interractions and dissolving into it as a means of nullifying the individual, whilst in the West there is always more of a focus on the individual.

Israel Regardie had this to say about this issue in a commentary on his Middle Pillar ritual, a ritual which by visualisation and hebrew mantras works from the crown down to the feet:

"The yoga technique commences its meditations from the lowest chakra and works upwards to the Sahasrara above the head. On the other hand, in the western system, the Middle Pillar starts from the highest and works downwards. In a word, the Western ideal is not to escape from the body but to become involved more and more in life, in order to experience it more adequately, and in order to obtain a mastery over it. The ideal is to bring down godhead so that one's manhood being enriched may thereby be assumed into godhead. Always does this system begin from the real center of working - the higher genius which, by definition, is in contact eternally with whatever infinite deity there may be"

While I agree with Alli's assertion of such practices in India portraying a false heirarchy, one must always be aware that, despite what people say, there is no such thing as the 'Hindu Tradition'. The subcontinental region of asia is home to an inneffably complex variety of models and paths towards the sensitising of the human instrument - and all more or less oral by nature - it is only the bastardised intellectualised system that we have to study in the West that gives us the impression that it is all black and white. The Tamil Siddha tradition, for instance, gives as much precedence towards developing the physical body not for transcendentory means but for the enlivening of the human system and reconciling the schism between body, heart and mind. Certain forms of Aghora Tantra, explained vividly through by the words of the Aghori Vimalananda in Robert Svoboda's Aghora series, embody this just as much. The difference is between what is known as the Right Hand Path and the Left Hand Path - the Right refers to orthodox meditation on abstraction and metaphysics and a devotion to higher realities and purity as a means of ascending the kundalini, whilst the Left hand path focuses on embracing Taboos and a devotion to Chaos and the body's intelligence as a means of descending so much into the human condition that one learns the kind of devotion and kindness (real work on the bottom 4 circuits of the 8CB) to really embrace life in its fullness. Vimalananda said 'Always live in reality - or else reality will surely come to live with you'

Also most forms of Far Eastern Taoist practices, expressed in such body's of work such as Mantak Chia's Healing Tao system - stress that whilst Indian practices express a one-way journey of getting up and out of the body, the Taoists were very much a body-orientated tradition, stressing the importance of circulating what they call the 'Microcosmic Orbit' - the movement of energy not just up the back of the spine, but also round the head and down the body also - connecting and making resonant Yang and Yin channels that run the orbit of the body which if cleared and cultivated via the three Tan Tien centres (gut, heart and head) create a dynamo of consciousness that propels one through life. In Qi Gong, the Taoist's feet never leave the ground.

Whilst in India I studied with 3 different teachers/dudes who were all more or less radicals to the surrounding tradition where they lived (in the south, east and north) because they were embracing this body-orientated approach. The first, a Tamil healer who was the son of orthodox Yoga Teachers but who rebelled against his parents for many years until finally coming into this own system, and who visited and met with Krishnamurti every few months for the first 7 years of his life until Krishnamurti's death in the 80s, explained to me one day about the confusion of modern practice of hinduism.

He explained that the Shiva-Lingam, a symbol worshipped all over India and embodying an image of a stone egg-shaped Lingam sitting inside a Yoni bowl. The symbol represents the penis of Shiva and the vagina of Shakti. What it really means is the harmonic interaction of Consciousness (shiva) and the Earth (shakti). In reality, Shiva is not one without Shakti and Shakti is not one without Shiva, but rather it is the confusion of centuries of dogmatism that has caused such mass disembodied psychosis. In this way, he explained, the correct mantra is not Auuuum/Ooommm, but rather the sound of 'AaauuuuummmuuuuuuA', or 'OOOmmmmmOOOO' - effectively resonating to the sound of two different flows of energy moving in the same direction simultaneously, ad infinitum. If one can imagine, embody and experience this, then you got it - and can now proceed to live your life.

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