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Bring your body with you.
That's what I forgot!
That's what I forgot!
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Re: 'luggage'
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 4:15 PMThe Body never lies and the Body is the only part of ourselves always in present time. No matter where you go, there you are! -
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Thu, April 16, 2009 - 4:58 PMThe body cannot lie, but it sure can be lied to. And although it cannot lie, it can sure believe a lie and speak it as if it were truth, not knowing the outcome due to the fact that its Always in present time.
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Re: 'luggage'
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 5:27 PMAnd why it's a good idea to buddy up with the Body. -
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Fri, April 17, 2009 - 5:44 AMthe ego so quickly becomes bio-pathic... the grudge... enviro-pathic societies grow... -
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Fri, April 17, 2009 - 8:18 AMfrom baggage to luggage...
a love story
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Sun, April 19, 2009 - 6:20 AMits funny how we conceptualise 'the body'...
how do we know we have a body? sometimes by peripheral glimpses or mirror images, but mostly through touch and feeling.
whats the difference between feeling the body as you imagine and conceive it (as having limbs, organs, a certain form etc), and direct feeling?
how we feel seems to affect the feeling itself... whats the difference between 'i feel my chest rising' and 'there is the feeling of the chest rising' and 'feeling there'?
touch is related to skin etc - a fairly consistent and definite medium of sensation that we tend to dub as physical.
feeling is often inside the parameters, but can definitely extend beyond the parameters of the skin
its interesting how having certain ideas about certain foods can significantly affect the digestive process (ie the belief 'sugar is bad' seems to magnify the consciously registered side-effects of eating sugar...), certain allergies may be related to this, and (in my non-expert guestimate) perhaps food-energy body systems like chinese medicine and ayurveda (at least to a certain extent).
to me 'bring your body with you' means investing energy and attention in sensory channels of feeling & touch (which naturally adjusts certain physiological functions such as breathing, posture etc)... with minimal and useful conceptualisation concerning the body. -
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Sun, April 19, 2009 - 10:16 AM<<its funny how we conceptualise 'the body'... >>
what do you mean by "we" ? i don't know my body through any conceptual apparatus. i know my body through action, motion, convulsion, impulse, pain, pleasure, the five senses, the muscular system (lifting weights), the skeletal system (walking), heat, power surges, exhaustion, and on and on...none of these events are known through any conceptual apparatus...the mind is a liar and a whore! -
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putting out
Sun, April 19, 2009 - 12:09 PMWhy is the mind such a slut?
My narcissism astounds me continuously, yet I never seem to get enough.
I finally understand what you meant, at least I think I do, by "the mind is a liar and a whore".
Anybody who sells their body for income is a whore; so is anyone who is willing to trade their valuable time for an idea symbolic of value. The body is always in present time, but the lying mind cons it into working like a slave and putting out like a prostitute to fulfill its perverted and narcissistic fantasies.
Why is the body so generous?
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Sun, April 19, 2009 - 1:16 PM<<Why is the body so generous? >>
as a finite conduit for the expression of the infinite cosmos, it cannot help but be generous -
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what is the mind that is a liar and a whore ?
Sun, April 19, 2009 - 1:40 PMWhat I mean by the catchy phrase, "the mind is a liar and a whore!", refers to the 8CB model where C-3 fails to find its vertical linkage with C-7 and becomes convinced that it's the ONLY intelligence in the house and, with increasing arrogance and narcissism (lies! lies! lies!), believes it's also the highest intelligence in the house. Vanity, vanity, all is vanity! When the naive ego gets hoodwinked into obeying its commands, that's when the self-enclosed tyrannical C-3 becomes the mind that is a liar and a whore! -
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Re: what is the mind that is a liar and a whore ?
Mon, April 20, 2009 - 12:06 AMhoodwinked ? haha ;)
may the wings of the mercurial mind be clipped so as to render the Volatile intellect Fixed to it's terrestrial origins, so that it may become a firmer and holistically-integrated conduit and servant for the energy of it's higher interstellar octave, and the conjoined holy trinity of sense-feel-focusing be made the gateway to the remembrance of self
Amen
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Mon, April 20, 2009 - 7:32 AMRe: "how do we know we have a body?"
This question assumes, a priori, that there is a "I" who is in ownership of a "body". This dualist assumption neglects other frameworks.
IMO, this dualist approach is fraught with danger. Remember, at one time there was a "spirit" or "soul" who lived inside the body. There were all sorts of cruel and sadistic techniques to cure those who had "sick" (or worse, possessed) souls. Nowdays, most people in the West speak about a "mind" living inside the body. Same idea, only the terms were changed, and people feel quite scientific talking about a mind living inside a body. There are all sorts of cruel ways to cure the "mentally" ill, as well.
Another alternative that takes much less religious faith than "soul" or "mind" is to view subjective experience as a function of the body rather than as a ghost that lives independent, yet somehow within, the body.
Since it seems that much the body's subjective experience (what some call "consciousness", a term that fits well with the framework I use a lot of the time) is biochemical (sugar level, drugs, etc..), the dualist ghost idea seems silly. -
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Mon, April 20, 2009 - 11:01 PM>>the dualist ghost idea seems silly.
Yes, but isn't the fear of death a major factor in this view? if there is no 'soul' living in the body, how will man live on after death? -
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Mon, April 20, 2009 - 11:36 PMThe physical body is the only part of our totality that KNOWS it will die. The mind is a liar and a whore. -
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Tue, April 21, 2009 - 10:28 AMRe: "The physical body is the only part of our totality that KNOWS it will die."
Depends on the minds definition of "die". This body hasn't died yet, so the jury is out on the matter. -
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Tue, April 21, 2009 - 11:34 AM<Depends on the minds definition of "die". This body hasn't died yet, so the jury is out on the matter>
Moreover, what is the "mind" that dies? The process of thought itself? Surely that isn't excluded solely to the individual person's mind that ceases at death. That is mere ego. And consciousness survives, at least in the poetic sense of being carried forward in the works achieved during the life, the lives touched, in the hearts of those its loved, etc....
Who/What dies? -
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Tue, April 21, 2009 - 11:45 AMCells and tissues die in that they cease to be metabolically active and express emergent properties and functions.
The body knows the experience of cell-death because it experiences it in every single moment. Actually, in many cases it orders Apoptosis.
According to Wiki, "Between 50 billion and 70 billion cells die each day due to apoptosis in the average human adult."
The body knows death and is present in every moment because it has to be! Somebodies got to handle the Work while the ego-mind is off whoring around and whispering sweet little lies all over the place. -
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Tue, April 21, 2009 - 8:21 PMDan, i would think that in this case, the one that sherpa is asserting, the mind is a sort of electrical manifestation of the ego and thus prone to deluded attempts to live forever in its current form
John, this is a great image here.. i had thought that in light of his comment, not only does the body know that it will die, which i guess because as you say it is made up of cells that constantly regenerate and so forth, but that it is the only part of our being that is naturally comfortable with the inevitable act of death itself - at least once it has lived out it's potential - a long life of activity and eventual dispersion back into its vast cellular matrix (death and decay) -
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Re: 'luggage'
Wed, April 22, 2009 - 3:16 AMso the body is the source or the fountain head of the mind? Then the Earth makes minds? ....is that why it is called Mother Earth? Why does the Earth make minds? Or have I fucked this thread up again? -
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Wed, April 22, 2009 - 4:40 AMmaybe, humans, like all animals, are the result of the dense energy of raw chaos (nature) swirling in the centre of the earth, growing and evolving upward towards the light of the sun, like a tree. the earth grows a body, the body grows emotions, the emotions grow a mnd, and so on up the octave of human consciousness. the human soul is the result of the meeting and conjunction of great nature and pure awareness
or something like that ;p -
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Wed, April 22, 2009 - 8:13 AMI think mind is an emergent property of complex nervous system structures. Mindfullness, however, has yet to fully emerge on a large scale. It seems as intelligence begins to become increasingly more recognizing of itself, it grows in complexity and more emergent properties....emerge.
I'm writing this paper refuting the premises of Intelligent Design Theory, and it has me thinking a lot about intelligence and its role in evolution. Why does there need to be a creator concept to explain everything? I prefer the notion that intelligence is getting to know itself, but where it came from, I don't care to speculate. -
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Wed, April 22, 2009 - 10:00 AMThe body personifies the subconscious
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