Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

topic posted Wed, July 8, 2009 - 12:48 PM by  Timothy
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I am working on my ability to receive and internally represent information in the form of pictures and movies, and sounds. My clairvoyance and clairaudience.

I am just cracking open that section of Angel Tech again, and have been moving diligently through Panchadasi's "Clairvoyance".

I just ran through my first practice session with a partner and we worked on doing telepathic transmissions, according to the the instructions of Panchadasi in chapter 5.

Click here. www.scribd.com/doc/35097/...Powers-1916

My results are as follows: I went 1 for 5. She went 0 for 4.

At least once distinctly I received the correct information, and didn't go with it.

I am with this partner often and she is very willing to participate.

I'll get into the exercises in Angel Tech as I go naturalistically.

Where are my people that are clairvoyant and clairaudient? Antero I know that you are.

How can I learn to do this better? How do I be successful at developing my full abilities?

What's your success story?
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Timothy
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  • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

    Wed, July 8, 2009 - 3:30 PM
    Forget about success as you have known it. If it's clairvoyance and clairaudience you wish to cultivate, stop trying so hard in these experiments; relax the ego. A lack of self-investment accelerates perception.
    • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

      Wed, July 8, 2009 - 7:57 PM
      >> A lack of self-investment accelerates perception.

      Interesting. I must think about this.
      • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

        Wed, July 8, 2009 - 8:26 PM
        Antero, when you say, "A lack of self-investment accelerates perception" what do you mean?
        • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

          Wed, July 8, 2009 - 8:29 PM
          <<Antero, when you say, "A lack of self-investment accelerates perception" what do you mean?>>

          no use me defining it for you. find or create your own meaning and apply it to your experiments. do the work and see what happens. keep doing the work and keep seeing what happens.
          • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

            Thu, July 9, 2009 - 11:08 AM
            google "lust for result"

            magic works better if you dont give a shit

            birds grew wings, people build airplanes
            • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

              Sat, July 11, 2009 - 8:16 PM
              >> google "lust for result"

              OK, but I'm not lusting after any results.

              I am after a exact methodology and indicators of success.

              That's it.
              • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

                Sat, July 11, 2009 - 11:39 PM
                How are you defining success, Timothy ?
                • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

                  Mon, July 13, 2009 - 10:38 PM
                  >> How are you defining success, Timothy ?

                  Achieving the intended income (not outcome) in order to continue moving in the direction I am going in the best way.

                  For example. I want to be able to perceive a specific scenario that occurred in the past. I go into the psychic state, mentally represent that data in the form of a movie that plays the scenario. I have perceived what I wanted.

                  I have achieved the income. Success.
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                    Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

                    Mon, July 13, 2009 - 11:05 PM
                    Your definition of success seems to hinge on a preconception of what will happen. The great big motivation speaker, Tony Robbins teaches this model of success but I don't think it applies to psychic perception if, as sherpa suggests, a lack of self-investment is needed. I suppose this means letting go of preconceptions of outcome.

                    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins
                    • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

                      Tue, July 14, 2009 - 8:17 PM
                      Katrina And Psychics,

                      >> Your definition of success seems to hinge on a preconception of what will happen.

                      Yes, but only in the sense that I am directing the activity. I am not preconceiving what the actual represented content will be. That's the difference.

                      >> a lack of self-investment is needed.

                      I think I have attained that in how I am not presupposing anything about what the received information will be in its content. We have to make the distinction between the two processes of how the brain represents data mentally. It does so on two levels: process-level (how) and content-level (what). i.e. a big three-dimensional color picture (how) of a red wheel barrow (what). By deciding to engage the visual representational system of my brain, and I dictating the "how" while allowing the "what" to represent itself, hence gathering information "clairvoyantly" and "psychically".

                      It is in this way I believe I am permitting a lack of self-investment.

                      At this point I think it important to state that I assume the brain works on any number of five representational systems at any given moment:
                      visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, and gustatory. The other way of representing information is in feelings in the body, which is primarily generated by the representations inside the mind on any number of these listed channels. i.e. Mentally picture an old pleasant memory, feel pleasant feelings in the body as a result.

                      This is where I want to elicit information from experienced psychics. As a clairvoyant, how do you engage your mind in order to gather psychic information in a visual way (clairvoyantly)? How do you do it auditorily (clairaudiently)? etc.

                      >> I suppose this means letting go of preconceptions of outcome.

                      Perhaps if I do not dictate anything at all, i.e. do not determine with which representational system I am going to represent the psychic information, then I am letting go of all preconceptions of outcome. If this is the case, how do I gather information?

                      I know the Berkeley Psychic Institute has a methodology for training people to use their mind in a visual way in order to gather visual information psychically. This is what I am referring to. How do I do this?

                      The initial objective of my thread was to learn how the succession of the sequences of the brain work in the process of gathering information psychically. In fact, the mind works sequentially when picturing and showing movies inside the mind. But the unconscious mind works simultaneously. The reason I used the word "success" to describe what I am after is because by definition the word means a series of happenings leading to a desired result. Unfortunately the word has negative connotations attached to it evoking imagery of Tony Robbins and businessmen. But the word "succession" accurately expresses my meaning. Succession defined as the sequence of actions it takes to get the desired result.

                      There is entirely too much "mystery" and "superstition" around the term psychic, especially with psychics themselves. I firmly believe it is a mental process that can be codified and made into a working methodology able to be practiced and mastered by anyone with a brain and the desire to do it.

                      This is what I want.

  • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

    Fri, August 14, 2009 - 3:41 PM
    Does anybody have a set of mental or behavioral steps I can follow in order to see an aura?
    • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

      Mon, August 24, 2009 - 5:27 AM
      Hi Timothy, I never read any of Sherpa's books but more than a decade ago I managed to see the aura of my hand with my eyes open. It was a very brief moment. I had no idea what to expect but all of a sudden it was there. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I was so amazed that I forgot to continue to concentrate - and it disappeared.
      How did I get there? I had followed some simple instuctions from (if I remember it well) one of Barbara Brennan's books, a famous healer and aura reader. I had to look at my hand in a shaded room - or at least with dimmed lights. The trick was not to focus, but to look slightly past my hand. Also, actually I was supposed to give up looking. I had to sort of stare without focussing or expecting anything.
      I cannot remember how long I had done the excercise before i suddenly saw my aura. But I remember doing it for hours during days in a row. So it doesn't come in 5 minutes.
      • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

        Tue, August 25, 2009 - 6:28 PM
        "As a clairvoyant, how do you engage your mind in order to gather psychic information in a visual way (clairvoyantly)? How do you do it auditorily (clairaudiently)? etc."

        I don't. When I say that I am not being the least bit facetitious. Usually I see things when I'm not thinking about doing it at all. I'll just have a flash of a person or even a situation and have the strong urge to contact them about it. I may not know them well at all. When I contact them it is inevitable that the situation is happening just as I saw. With some people I seem very tuned in while with others there is absolutely nothing. However, considering I've seen more than my fair share of flashes that people are dead and then find out they are, it's not all that comfortable. Neither is seeing myself minute by minute in an accident for months before it happens. It inevitably happens anyway when I least expect it and all I can do is think this is what I saw. It's like watching it again.

        Then I have the constant "movies" running in my mind. It took some time when I was young to learn to turn some off and focus on one. It also took me a long time to be able to "pause" them and come back. I used to frenetically write it all down, trying to capture it before it stopped. I would freak out if anyone stopped me because I would "lose" it. Once I learned how to pause it and come back that got better. But the state I am when I write from those "movies" is very pleasurable, much like Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's "Flow Theory." In fact reading that theory for a class in college was the first time I'd ever seen anything written that was in anyway comparable. It's an optimal state. I can't say how to get there because it seems I was born with it, being able to always see things and beings and hear what seemed like a thousand conversations all the time. It was more a case of learning to tune it out so I could live in the world than learn to tune in. All I can tell you is that it is very much like "Flow."

        As for clairaudience, outside of the constant din I have to control, I'll suddenly hear someone I know saying something like "I'm gone" or "I need to talk to you" and I'll look at the clock. If they tell me they're gone then they really have died. If they tell me they need to talk to me, I'll pick up the phone and dial but it's already ringing because they call. It freaks people out when I do it at work.

        Again, there isn't much I can tell you about how to do it since I can't ever remember not doing it. I'm also not sure how you would go about learning it although I've seen classes and programs that teach you. One thing that might help is meditation where you are taught to leave behind yourself and the world.

        I will tell you this much, I do believe it's simply another level of the senses, whether visual, tactile or auditory. Just like some people can see 60/1200 and other 20/10, I believe that still others can see things even those with 20/10 can't. I also believe that if all light waves and sound waves go on forever that it makes perfect sense that if you find or have the right frequency you can hear it or the right filter you can see it. That's simple science. Just because we can't do it now and prove it works doesn't mean anything. There have been plenty of things that were "known" for years before they could figure out how to prove them. It didn't make them non-existant or wrong, it just meant we didn't know how to figure out all the pieces at that time. Perhaps an fMRI while someone has these experiences can help unlock the door.

        Oh and auras? I always unfocus my eyes to see them.
        • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

          Tue, August 25, 2009 - 6:29 PM
          facetious not facetitious

          forgive me
          • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

            Wed, August 26, 2009 - 12:30 AM
            I've heard that before: people who were getting previews of accidents that eventually happened to them. My questions is: WHY? What's the point in letting someone know these things, especially if they apparently are not to be avoided? It sounds do sadistic.

            So, what lies behind these "messages" from unknown sources? What is their point?
            • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

              Wed, August 26, 2009 - 4:55 PM
              Well, considering string theory it would be conceivable that it's all happening at once so you aren't seeing the future but all of it. It's like suddenly being able to see through the membrane so you get a flash. In a similar sense you could say that's the noise of the other conversations. From a physics perspective it has no point it simply is. Just because I can't make enough sense out of it to prevent it doesn't mean that the possibility doesn't exist if you can see enough. Then again, if you altered it what would that mean to everything else? But Hawking says you start out with all these possibilities that weed out over time. So I guess it would be fine.

              The more I know about physics, the more the psychic realm makes sense. I know most people separate the two but I think it all fits together. It's all coming to the same truth on different routes. Just because the drivers don't know they are converging, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
              • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

                Thu, August 27, 2009 - 1:51 AM
                Thanks Zanne, I understand that perfectly well; what we call time is in many ways an illusion.
                So because *time* isn't really there, or at least not in the part of reality where your mind is tuned in when you are in "clearvoyance mode" (if I may call it that way), you just observe whatever is happening. That actually means you are not predicting but merely observing. It also means there's no way to prevent it because it is happening and you observe it.











        • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

          Sat, August 29, 2009 - 10:43 AM
          Zanne,

          >> I don't.

          Right, but the thing is, what lets you unconsciously kick that mental activity into action without doing it deliberately? Perhaps an energetic trigger of a sort.

          >> Then I have the constant "movies" running in my mind.

          I have a task for you, for the benefit of all of us reading this.

          Notice where inside the mental space of your mind these movies play. For example, gesture to the location of the movie, and notice if the movies tend to play on a screen in the same place inside your mind.

          Are these movies black and white, or color? What happens when you try to run them backwards? What if you make the screen of the movie bigger or smaller? Do you hear the accompanying sounds from the movie?

          As humans, and as you've demonstrated, we have control over our visual channel in our mind in terms of the qualities of the how the data is represented: i.e. movie or picture, color or black and white, big screen or little screen, 3 dimensional or 2d, and on and on.

          I suspect that all your psychic movies play in the same location in your heard and have the same qualities about them.

          >> Oh and auras? I always unfocus my eyes to see them.

          :)

          When you see them, how big are they?
      • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

        Sat, August 29, 2009 - 10:30 AM
        >> I had to sort of stare without focussing or expecting anything.

        Actually I achieved this state too a couple years ago and I'm quit proficient at just seeing the basic outline of color around my hand, or over soembody's shoulder. My aim is really to open up that field of vision to the entire body and environment.
        • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

          Sun, August 30, 2009 - 12:15 PM
          >Right, but the thing is, what lets you unconsciously kick that mental activity into action without doing it deliberately? Perhaps an energetic trigger of a sort. <

          I never kick them off. (If it's unconscious then I wouldn't consciously know anyway.) They always play. I can tune out of them or focus in on one but they are always there. What I did learn was recall, the ability to play it back when I wanted. To pause it by tuning it out and going back to it later. The ability to focus enough to be able to remember it later. That took some time to develop. I used to get really frantic when I was young if I was interrupted because I couldn't capture it unless I wrote it down.

          But to tell someone how to kick them off is beyond me. If I want to remember it's like remembering anything that's happened in my life. I actually have a very good memory that is very visual. For instance if I take a test it's like I'm looking through the book or my notes and I can page through to what I want. I can see it on the page. I can see everything around it. I'm just a very visual person, I suppose.

          Maybe if I hadn't always had them playing in my head I'd be better able to tell you, but I remember that being with me from the time I was around two. And yes, I remember everything starting at around two.

          >I have a task for you, for the benefit of all of us reading this.

          Notice where inside the mental space of your mind these movies play. For example, gesture to the location of the movie, and notice if the movies tend to play on a screen in the same place inside your mind. <

          I'm not sure. It's like they play in front of my eyes. It's not even necessary for me to close my eyes to see them. They are just there. I have to block them out to see the "real" world. It's very easy for me to lose myself in them - meaning I can be walking or driving along and suddenly realize I've been lost in "watching" something I enjoy and time has passed. It's pretty eerie and I don't recommend it.

          If I'm sitting, I've been told I simply start staring and don't blink. I stay perfectly still. I can actually do that for hours if I'm not interrupted and it's very pleasant. It's not pleasant for the person who sees it. They actually find it disturbing.

          It isn't that I see something or say something, it's just that I relax and let my guard down for a second then it happens. I have to concentrate on not doing it, not the other way around.

          >Are these movies black and white, or color? What happens when you try to run them backwards? What if you make the screen of the movie bigger or smaller? Do you hear the accompanying sounds from the movie? <

          Color, sound, smell and touch. It depends on how deep I want to go. I can engage all my senses if I allow it. At the shallowest level it is always color and sound. Never black and white. I don't even dream in black and white.

          >As humans, and as you've demonstrated, we have control over our visual channel in our mind in terms of the qualities of the how the data is represented: i.e. movie or picture, color or black and white, big screen or little screen, 3 dimensional or 2d, and on and on.

          I suspect that all your psychic movies play in the same location in your heard and have the same qualities about them. <

          If they do, they project onto my eyes. They are just always there. I have no idea where they come from in my head. I would suspect a fMRI could figure that out with no problem at all. To me it's no different than seeing the world around me. It took me awhile to figure out it wasn't the world around me, but then I was very young at the time.



          >Auras - When you see them, how big are they? <

          They can surround a person or a group. Groups also have an energy they create.

          I know that's not much help to you. I never studied how to develop it since I had it.
          • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

            Sun, August 30, 2009 - 8:43 PM
            Firstly, you're doing great. This is different than other intuitive psychics I've worked with, they all get afraid that by answering my questions they'll magically "lose" their abilities. Which is utter nonsense. If anything, it only makes you sharper.

            >> I never kick them off.

            So what you're saying is you can never kick them off. Have you ever tried to initiate a new movie intentionally?

            >> They always play.

            There are multiple movies playing at once ALL the time- literally never not playing? As if multiple different television screens in your head?

            How do you distinguish between a psychic movie and another kind of movie?

            >> it's just that I relax and let my guard down for a second then it happens

            So you relax and let your guard down for a second and what exactly happens?

            >> they project onto my eyes.

            Have you ever considered just pushing them off into the distance a little bit to get a better perspective? Or even moving the ones you don't want the fuck out your way off to the side and shrinking it down to the size of a small stamp?

            • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

              Mon, August 31, 2009 - 8:12 PM
              Timothy,

              I don't think I have that much control of them. :o) I think I'm doing well just to come back to it later. If I couldn't do that, I'd go completely crazy trying to write it all down (which is where I used to be when I was young until I was about 8 yrs old).

              Anyway, I don't think I'm going to magically lose them if I talk about them but I probably could get locked in a rubber room if I talked about it too much to a Psychiatrist. I'm sure they'd wonder if I was schizophrenic, but I've never thought they were "real" or at least part of the "real" world (this physical world I'm in). And I never thought they were talking to me. (That always reminds me of Robert DiNero in Taxi Driver. "You talking to me?")

              As for never kicking them off, no I don't try that. They are always there. I just tune in and filter out what I'm not very interested in at the time. Yes, they are always all playing all the time so you can imagine how distracting it was when I was very young and didn't know how to filter anything out. (From a natal chart perspective you'd say this is because I have Mars conj Neptune, Scorpio on the Ascendant at 0 00 and Neptune in the first house conj my Ascendant. In other words, I'm not firmly grounded to this world so I'm way tuned in to everything else.) It is indeed like being in a room full of televisions running all at once. But now I can decide what I want to focus in on and tune out the rest. Or I can choose to block them all and focus on this world and everyone in it. This is much better, trust me.

              If I relax and let my guard down then the images and sound flood me. It's not exactly like a television. It's more like seeing it right in front of you. The way you would see the room in front of you. It isn't like I can shrink it, but I can shift my focus to one of them and concentrate on that. That's kind of like tuning out kids playing soccer outside the patio doors while your trying to pay attention to their mom and dad inside. You choose to focus on the mom and dad and deliberately block out the kids outside. They are still there, but you focus yourself in on what you want. It's like that. Does that make more sense?

              There really aren't any I don't want. I'm a writer so they are all very interesting to me. One very interesting thing that does happen is that when I'm in my writing groove where I'm recording it as I watch it - if something happens in the background like someone calls me or I smell food or the television goes on or the door closes - that becomes woven into what's happening in what I'm seeing. It's very seamless. I really like that aspect because it makes what would be a distraction a part of it instead.

              I really don't know that I think they are psychic events. My dreams tend to be more like that. My dreams often happen later especially if they are repetitive dreams. The only psychic things that happen to me when I'm awake is suddenly looking at people and seeing them dead (and then having them die). Or suddenly hearing them say they are gone and they are. Or having the feeling I need to call them but they are already calling me. Or suddenly thinking, I wonder if my employee heard from that rodeo guy then finding out she did at the same time I thought that. Those I would say are psychic events. And when I hear something and it's psychic, that I would say is Clairaudience. But, with those I'm not controlling them because I've never had any interest in developing it. Those haven't been very pleasant experiences for me so I've no desire to repeat them intentionally.

              The best psychic I've ever been to see was without any doubt Albert Bowes. He's in Casadaga, FL. I didn't even go to see him because I wanted to go. I went because my friend wanted to go and she liked "the look of this guy." I didn't do half the things I was supposed to do because I wasn't invested. I took some pictures but they were kind of random and mostly group pictures where one of my relatives might appear. I took some "things" along as well - a teddy bear, a ring, a shell and a scarf. You don't tell Albert anything. You are told not to before you go. You can't record, but you can write things down. He comes in, tells you a bit about himself then he tells you when he leaves the room you are to put your things on the table face down. He leaves the room for awhile then comes back when you've put everything face down. You say nothing. He procedes to turn them randomly over and tells you about your life. I have to tell you that it is extraordinarily creepy and I'm not easily creeped out. The things he knew about my life there is no way he could tell from those pictures. There is no association between those events and what's going on in the pictures. He knew things in general and in detail. Very specific things that are highly unusual and pertain only to me. The teddy bear is the perfect example. He picked it up and held it for a moment. I thought he would think a parent or grandparent gave it to me. I really thought that would throw him. It's not remarkable. It's not frilly. It looks like any child's teddy bear. But, he picked it up and held it for awhile then said, "The man who gave you this thinks you are adorable. He loved you as soon as he saw you. He'd do anything for you even now. He's very religious in a strict, conservative kind of way but he doesn't hold you to that." Then he kind of blinked in surprise. "He said he believes he's been with you before. He calls you his Lilith and sometimes Lily. But you won't have anything to do with him because of his children." Then he stares me in the eyes and says, "You really are his Lilith and you know it." I just kept staring at him. He shook his head and said, "He's never going to give up on you. I hope you know that." He went on to tell me things about that guy that only I know. Very private things about his career and his family. It was unreal. All that from a teddy bear. And that's not even getting into what he told me about my mother. A shudder went through him when he saw her picture and he turned it right back over. Then he started to talk about her. I'm telling you, it was creepy. Here's an article about him. I think this guy had a similar experience to me. www.observernews.net/artman/...97.shtml

              If you want to meet someone who is clairvoyant, I would say he's the one to see. I didn't ask him if he heard things as well. He did tell me at the end, "Why are you here?" He was almost angry. He said, "I dont mind talking to you. You're a pretty girl so I don't mind looking at you, but why are you here? You don't need anything from me. You know everything already." He also asked me why I didn't bother to develop that knowledge. I told him I wasn't interested. He didn't seem to get that at all. But, even that whole conversation weirded me out.

              I've been to some good readers and psychics but no one else on his level. I can believe the police would use him.
  • Re: Clairvoyance And Clairaudience.

    Fri, December 4, 2009 - 3:54 AM
    Hello Gang,

    I am continuing my clairvoyant work, and I want your help!

    I think it's very important to practice these skills in an experimental context, so I can check the accuracy of my results.

    Here is where you can help...

    I am designing small experiments involving anywhere from one person (me) to three participants. The objective is to build it so it requires me to gather information that is verifiable afterward.

    For example, I (person A) go into an isolated room. Person B goes into a separate room and draws a giant symbol on a huge poster board, or perhaps chooses a distinct object. After B signals that she is prepared, I then utilize my psychic ability in order to retrieve the target information.

    What else can you come up with? What other experiments can I do?

    For now, I am limiting it to clairvoyant data only. Thanks!

    Hope you are well,
    Timothy

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