Where is the "Modern Shaman's Guide to a Pregnant Universe" Tribe?

topic posted Thu, April 2, 2009 - 10:53 AM by  offlineJohnDillinge...
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For lack of the aforementioned forum, I am choosing to post this here.

Labor Laboratory Labour

~ LABOR id+ | WORK TOIL | sug> TOILET
id+ | PAIN or TOIL | see> TRAVAIL
id+ | TORTURE TORT CONTORT | sug> TRAVEL
~ LABORATORY id+ | site of LABOR or TOIL | sug> STRAIN
or abbr LAB sug> SLAVE
~ LABOUR or LABOR
ply> | LABOR can BEND COLLAPSE PROLAPSE |
note BELABOR ELABORATE COLLABORATE
LABILE LAPSE COLLAPSE ELAPSE PROLAPSE RELAPSE
skrt LAMBATE = WHO LEANS
lat LABI TO FALL
eng LABILE FRAGILE
lat LABILIS LABILE
LAPSUS SLIP
PROLABI SLIP FORWARD or
med> PROLAPSE PROTRUSION SINKING
lab LABORARE HEAVY TOIL THAT BENDS
implies FATIGUE EXAUSTION
see> cont> TOIL

www.consultsos.com/pandora/labor.htm

Lets see what gets stirred up
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JohnDillingerDiedForYou
New York
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  • Dude, you have either had too much time on your hands or not enough time to yoruself.
    • Amnesia Amnesty Engraved before 1811 from an original in the then Museum Pio Clemens in Rome (Click for details)
      Esculapius (Medicine) between Mercury (Merchants) and the Graces (Medicine, Hygiene and Panacea)
      Esculapius dealt with Patients - Merchants make deals with Clients

      ~ AMNESIA id+ | med> LOSS OF MEMORY |
      ~ AMNESTY id+ | TO FORGET thus FORGIVE |
      implies FORGETFULNESS
      gr MNEMOS = MEMORY
      myth> MNEMOSINE or MOTHER OF THE MUSES
      MNASTHAI TO REMEMBER
      sp MEMORIA MEMORY
      med> AMNESIA CAN BE
      ANTEGRADE or from a POINT FORWARD
      CIRCUMSCRIBED or limited to some EVENTS
      EMOTIONAL as in HYSTERICS
      LACUNAR as if having MEMORY VOIDS
      POST-TRAUMATIC or CONCUSSIONAL
      PARAMNESIA refers to an INABILITY TO
      RECALL CORRECT WORD MEANINGS thus
      A CONFUSION OF FACTS sug> ANOMIA
      myth> MNEMOSYNE was a daughter of
      URANUS & GAEA and became the
      SPOUSE OF ZEUS and MOTHER OF THE 9 MUSES
      cont> see> ANAMNENSIS
      for main roots see> MEMORIA

      www.consultsos.com/pandora/amnesia.htm

      Call it what you want to call it.
      • what the.. ?
        • someone get this guy outta here.. lol
          • Johnny Boy,

            Since this thread has nothing to do with the stated intent of this tirbe, I will be deleting it soon.
            • I understand.

              Having an outlet for my imagination was priceless,

              even if no-one understood what my poetry was trying to convey.
              • And I'm glad that I stirred up something, even if it was only confusion and contempt.
                • John,

                  Surely you jest. I don't see anything stirred up here by your post beyond your own self-indulgence which everyone deserves every now and then (unless we have made it a lifestyle). The confusion and contempt you perceive may indeed be your own.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Surely I do jest. And I jest for the god-damn sake of jesting.

                    To e-labor-ate, if you will

                    I posted this thread because I am sick and tired of working for something which is not worth working for. There comes a point when coincidence can only be called synchronicity.

                    I was intending to stir up a conversation about the power of grammar, the power to weave worlds with words.

                    Call it what you want to call it.

                    • on the power of words

                      Thu, April 2, 2009 - 1:43 PM
                      <<I was intending to stir up a conversation about the power of grammar, the power to weave worlds with words. >>

                      Ah, a worthy topic. And what can you share with us about the power of words and the magick of grammarye ?
                      • Read the Label

                        Thu, April 2, 2009 - 2:02 PM
                        "So sometimes people gotta
                        come out and speak up,
                        and let people understand, that you know you
                        gotta read the label you gotta read the label if you don't read the
                        label you might get poisoned..."

                        Whats a label? That's the question that got me going.

                        Interesting information sprung up and surprised me when I looked into the etymology of the word-root 'lab'.

                        Work is work. Undeniably unavoidable.

                        I am tired of confusing labels with realities.

                        I am tired of working for the wrong reasons.
                        • labels as fables

                          Thu, April 2, 2009 - 2:34 PM
                          <<I am tired of confusing labels with realities. I am tired of working for the wrong reasons.>>

                          (the encroaching roar of thunderous applause)
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    And Wolf-man, please don't call me shirley.
                    • mekka lekka hi
                      mekka lekkia hiney ho
                      • it is a bizarre day today isn't it ..

                        thats a direct quote from Gza - Labels from Liquid Swords, '96, great album great track... that album is all about the mystical martial art of word-play.. good one !

                        yes, quack.. yes


                        more to the point, i recently had a lovely ritual experience exploring the frequency of speech as the step-down transformer of potential energy into reality. I observed how I was creating realities for myself by a certain level of vibration in my mind when the thoughts themselves began to vibrate at the level of my throat. I noticed how when ideas reach a certain threshold of committment and manifestation they then proceed to substantiate into a courser form of reality (this last sentance inspired by the 8cb dvd which i have viewed today) by descending the central channel from my head to my throat.. perhaps. This helped me greatly to define for myself the integrate-communicate phase - those spacy times where i am seeing and feeling so much but have no words so it buzzes around my head and eyes.

                        I experienced areas of my body light up, by finding my own words i was integrating their reality into my heart and then effecting the circle of life around me with my words and speech

                        also, in the Kaballah the four worlds are aztiluth, briah, yetzirah and assiah. I had an experience in the last few days of finding my own definitions for these and came up with how they might relate to mundane thought processes in certain examples..

                        aztiluth - 'archetypal' - the flash of an insight
                        briah - 'creative' - the structuring of energy after direct engagement - fully being able to really see it and know it
                        yetzirah - 'formative' - have the words, the style and experience to be able to talk about it at length, being able to explain it all perfectly, all talk, no action. at this point you are actually making it your own - what we experience in aztiluth and briah may be energies of higher forces and so forth, but by the time the energy has reached yetzirah, its pretty much yours now, as you are the human magician finding the words and bringing it into formation. magick with words, grammarye
                        assiah - 'manifested' - taking action - actually effecting the physical universe by arranging physical matter by will (building a boat, etc) according to the formed ideas and opinion (yetzirah) concerning the engagement and knowledge (briah) of direct experience (aztiluth)
                        • "i recently had a lovely ritual experience exploring the frequency of speech as the step-down transformer of potential energy into reality. I observed how I was creating realities for myself by a certain level of vibration in my mind when the thoughts themselves began to vibrate at the level of my throat. I noticed how when ideas reach a certain threshold of committment and manifestation they then proceed to substantiate into a courser form of reality (this last sentance inspired by the 8cb dvd which i have viewed today) by descending the central channel from my head to my throat.. perhaps."

                          i found this paragraph intruiging but incomprehensible. what do you mean by ideas substantiating into a courser form of reality? do you mean you observed your thoughts appearing and you acting on them or????
                          id be most grateful if you'd elaborate in more laymans terms (what do you mean by thoughts vibrating at the level of your throat? self chatter?)
                          • <<i found this paragraph intruiging but incomprehensible. what do you mean by ideas substantiating into a courser form of reality? >>

                            "do you mean you observed your thoughts appearing and you acting on them or???? id be most grateful if you'd elaborate in more laymans terms (what do you mean by thoughts vibrating at the level of your throat? self chatter?)"

                            who is this question directed to ? moi ?


                            • sorry. i just noticed that you excerpted the text from rob's earlier post
                              • what i mean is exactly what i said - very vague and esoteric and thus potentially incomprehensible

                                I often ponder over the nature of speech - speech as an energy transmitter of certain levels of thought-intention, which exist as subtle vibrations in the head centre and then, when reaching the level of being able to be spoken about (finding the words) - are then transmuted into denser vibrations as they are transmitted out into the phenomenal world - the power of the spoken word.

                                The throat centre as a transformer of inner world into outer world. It can be observed that communication is a vital and neccessary function of the human organism. In the trinary cycle of the 8cb - any experience had by the human organism, must be integrated into the personality, and then communicated into the horizontal sphere of human interactions. This is what we are - this is what happens - this is what we are here to do - to be the conduits of information from of the vertical plane (the earth consciousness or interstellar energies, or both, perhaps - the realm of Self) into the Earth plane, the horizontal world of Self and Other.

                                So.. my experience in this particular ritual meditation in question was something like - using my Intent to select what reality I care enough about to commit to and then speaking about it, out loud. 6th Circuit opens up such a multi-dimensional sphere of possibility, and choosing what reality is in alignment with my Whole being - my conscience, my values, my beliefs - is how one chooses. Once the commitment to this choice is made, then mind chatter is cleared and the energy of the throat flows. When words are found, this is grammarye - how the power of intention is brought down into the phenomenal plane to effect the energy dynamics of the manifested world.

                                The throat connects the Head and Heart - Da'ath in the Tree of Life is the integration point of mind and emotion - what is your theory, what is your belief, what is in your Will, what is your Heart's Truth. When you find the meeting point, the assemblage point, the point where it all connects up into one zone of integration. Say it. Say it loud. Scream it from the rooftops !

                                Something like that.. uranus has transitted my jupiter (shocking my belief systems in a creative catharsis), pluto is on my Neptune (disintegrating and reforming my relationship to the spirit of life) and saturn transitted my Mercury, then went back through retrograde, and now is about to come back and transit it again in the hope that i may finally find a way for it to all work - so its a confusing thing for me now at this time, this whole ideas and communication thing, but i hope to get in the groove at some point about how much i am pissing my power away when i am talking my mouth off - and how much i am standing in my truth when silence, presence, and quiet and calm yet powerful words are enough

                                bla bla
                                • ah scrap it all, and i'm probably talking to myself here, again, but to continue with this thought tangent and on the kundalini thread.. so be it..this is all based upon my own bias and my own direct experience of these flows.

                                  mind is astrological mercury - the electrical energy transmitted from the Self that animates the body from the centre. The Freudian Super-ego and the tyranny of stereotyping is the electrical static around the head centre that comes from horizontal interactions and which is depended upon if the electrical energy of mind is not sourced at the centre (thinking for yourself and questioning authority, in other words) - mind reclaimation and thinking for yourself is achieved by sourcing the electrical current from the centre (the sun, the Self) - articulating and solving problems via the centre, from information from the stars, and into the earth. Experiencing something from the stars, integrating it into the body (hermetic vessel) then transmitting it's electric current down into the core of the earth - this is how the stars communicate with the earth through us (substantiation). Fellow human beings who we project our soul onto and mistake for the 'other' are all too often our substitute for our own direct communication with the earth as a living being, which is, as it says in angel tech somewhere, 'about as grounded as we are ever going to get'. Raw energy starting on the mundane level, grows from raw chaos, and by receiving this electrical energy from the top down, grows and evolves from the bottom up, through the progressive life centres of the human body - intellectual, emotional, social etc, until it too eventually finds its way to the sky via its reconciliation and reuniting with its origins and source of pure light and infinity (kundalini - trans-substantiation). This is how the Earth communicates with the stars through us. Both directions happen simultaneously, and both spiral together like a dynamo through the circuit of the human nervous system, together making the sum total of our inner processes. Words just flow when this energy current is allowed its own natural autonomy and we allow the forces of instinct to run their course, and the mind's truly harmonious function of Paying Attention is integrated with the body. Healing happens when we stop blocking these two forces and let them run their course through us, eternally streaming life energy into our virtually indestructable form. Self-reclamation and individuation transmits presence which answers all things, but words are the code by which we give form to the most formless of energy. perhaps a true reuniting of mind and body, when sexual and psychic faculties are truly freed and the most highest of energy is naturally linked to the most densest of patterning, is when words and language will no longer be needed, and pure intention and resonance with higher forces will be the rule of the day.

                                  who knows.. who cares..
                                  • headies

                                    Tue, April 14, 2009 - 7:12 AM
                                    <words are the code by which we give form to the most formless of energy>

                                    I like where your head is Rob. Heady-stuff but good visuals.

                                    <The Freudian Super-ego and the tyranny of stereotyping is the electrical static around the head centre that comes from horizontal interactions and which is depended upon if the electrical energy of mind is not sourced at the centre (thinking for yourself and questioning authority, in other words)>

                                    If all the world's a stage, and all men and women merely players, the one who holds the power is the one authors the script. As RAW said, "Whosoever Controls the Metaphor Controls the Mind", right?

                                    Question authority, think for yourself, these are potent suggestions, cliche as they may be. More important than questioning the content of authoritative decree or power is, I think, the inquiry into the source of one's authority. Who endowed them with it? Who do they answer to? What's the difference between 'spiritual' authority and material authority? Is there a difference?

                                    I like the references to sourcing mind-energy at the center rather than a stored cultural database of stereotypes and preconceptions, although I'm not sure if I could easily replicate your methodology. Basically, what I see here is that there is always a value-choice to make between the value and relative merit of cultural definitions, rooted in the authority of the societal architects, and the value of one's own experience and self-generated definitions. If my experience and self-generated definitions are lacking then I don't seem to have much of a choice!

                                    Interestingly, to me at least, the breakdown of the word au-thor-ity seems to reflect the relationship you speak of between astrological mercury, the sun, and mind reclaimation.

                                    The Challenge of Thor
                                    by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

                                    I am the God Thor,
                                    I am the War God,
                                    I am the Thunderer!
                                    Here in my Northland,
                                    My fastness and fortress,
                                    Reign I forever!
                                    Here amid icebergs
                                    Rule I the nations;
                                    This is my hammer,
                                    Miƶlner the mighty;
                                    Giants and sorcerers
                                    Cannot withstand it!

                                    These are the gauntlets
                                    Wherewith I wield it,
                                    And hurl it afar off;
                                    This is my girdle;
                                    Whenever I brace it,
                                    Strength is redoubled!

                                    The light thou beholdest
                                    Stream through the heavens,
                                    In flashes of crimson,
                                    Is but my red beard
                                    Blown by the night-wind,
                                    Affrighting the nations!
                                    Jove is my brother;
                                    Mine eyes are the lightning;
                                    The wheels of my chariot
                                    Roll in the thunder,
                                    The blows of my hammer
                                    Ring in the earthquake!

                                    Force rules the world still,
                                    Has ruled it, shall rule it;
                                    Meekness is weakness,
                                    Strength is triumphant,
                                    Over the whole earth
                                    Still is it Thor's Day!

                                    Thou art a God too,
                                    O Galilean!
                                    And thus singled-handed
                                    Unto the combat,
                                    Gauntlet or Gospel,
                                    Here I defy thee!


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