pleasure vs. bliss

topic posted Mon, March 9, 2009 - 9:14 PM by  JohnDillinge...
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I have discerned a difference between pleasure and bliss. Plea-sure, a word composed of two semantic structures I equally recoil from, seems to involve a profit, which entails a loss, thus setting up a dynamic of exploitation. Bliss seems to bypass the winner-loser scenario and cut to the chase, discarding illusory perceptions of value and worth in favor of the real deal. Plea-sure seems like a mechanism of control rather than the liberating experience of bliss, a state of consciousness I would deem to be of great value and worth. Last time I checked, pleading meant entering evidence of one's 'winnerness' in an argument, and simultaneously claiming the 'loserness' of the other, in the dispute. And being sure of things has only taught me how little I really know. I see pleasure like a poison smeared on the neck of a starved super-model, while bliss has similarities to a cozy cuddle or a loving back massage. Pleasure = Profit with an attached loss (i.e. exploitation) ; Bliss = that old serpents hiss.
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JohnDillingerDiedForYou
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  • Re: pleasure vs. bliss

    Mon, March 9, 2009 - 10:01 PM
    There is a great book by Alexander Lowen entitled "Pleasure" that goes into depth on how many people have difficulty experiencing/allowing themselves pleasure. He takes a different view than the one you wrote but you might like it.

    I'm with you 100% that pleasure and bliss are two different experiences. To me, pleasure is more "organic" and bliss seems more "trancendental".
    • Re: pleasure vs. bliss

      Mon, March 9, 2009 - 10:25 PM
      I agree with your differentiation of 'organic' and 'transcendental' in that 'organic' has both opposite charged polarities involved, while 'transcendental' transcends duality.

      Having been raised immersed in the Catholic Dogma, I know very well the myth of original sin and sexual guilt. Circumcision about sums it up for me! Having the tip of your penis, the most sensitive part of your body, sliced off from you before your will has developed to a point where it is able to be expressed, seems to be a splendid metaphor for the culture of exploitation which so readily thrives off of the guilty pleasures sold to us as worthy obsessions. I will investigate Mr. Lowen's book when I have the opportunity to see if he sheds light on my current interpretation of the relationship between pleasure and bliss. Thanks for sharing the information.

      • Re: pleasure vs. bliss

        Tue, March 10, 2009 - 12:48 AM
        given that this is an angel tech tribe, i feel compelled to include it in this thread.

        I guess pleasure is more of a circuit 2 experience, although there is of course pleasure on all 4 circuits but i would regard the fixation and meeting of emotional territorial needs, via any of the other 3, as 'pleasure' as you speak - a dualised experience that works within the 'ego' and not beyond it, as is subject to animalistic. wheareas bliss is well and truly a circuit 5 experience - the union of mind heart and body that is the launchpad and requirement for further development ('life after bliss')

        both, of course, are subject to excess
        • Rob-girl, you hit it right- on in your description below of pleasure vs bliss. Pleasure is closely related to lust gratification and pleasure in American culture has been infiltrated by slick advertisers who know how to manipulate and whet our appetites with sensually tantalizing stimulants gorging on circuit 2. We are constantly bombarded with images and symbols as pleasure opportunities that appear all over the place. Bliss includes yet transcends the circuit 2 body indulgences and enlivens by stimulating circuit 5 sensations and reactions in a more whole-sum way, in whichathe mind-body connection is one of synthesis and renews rather than depletes inherent .resources .
          • exactly. you however hit wrong by calling me 'rob_girl' ha. 'giri' was the type of sadhu priest that i was initiated as in india. i am not a girl (well..)
            • Hi rob-giri,
              I humbly apologize for mistaking the giri in your name for girl. It is my" pleasure" to know that you are rob-giri ! By the way, I intentionally used the word pleasure here do demonstrate that pleasure can be accessed and experienced as a purely mental state or by thinking certain thoughts, as in I find pleasure in reariding lots of the posts here. So I see that pleasure doesn't have to be a body sensation, nor does it have to derive from stimulating the mind for a body sensation, so would you still consider this to be 2 circuit or other? What do you think

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