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This NYTimes feature captures the intensity of that year. I was 10 and still kind of larval intellectually, but I was well aware of the importance of all those events. It was one of many years where there were heated discussions at the dinner table (six of us kids, mom and dad) that often ended up with someone throwing down their napkin and storming out of the room.
I looked on in wonder. This is a big deal. But what does it all mean? Can I go to the pool tomorrow?
I remember my brother telling the story of sitting in his living room at Alfred University with all his friends while the lottery was announced on TV. The first number was one of the friends. They were shocked. Imagine for a minute -- some guy pulls up a ball with a date on it. If it's your birthday, you MUST GO TO VIETNAM. Someone else making choices for you in this land of freedom. Life and death choices.
By pure luck, my brother was one of the last chosen and was never drafted.
What do you all remember from this time, if anything?
What do you think of it in terms of the history of the US?
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This NYTimes feature captures the intensity of that year. I was 10 and still kind of larval intellectually, but I was well aware of the importance of all those events. It was one of many years where there were heated discussions at the dinner table (six of us kids, mom and dad) that often ended up with someone throwing down their napkin and storming out of the room.
I looked on in wonder. This is a big deal. But what does it all mean? Can I go to the pool tomorrow?
I remember my brother telling the story of sitting in his living room at Alfred University with all his friends while the lottery was announced on TV. The first number was one of the friends. They were shocked. Imagine for a minute -- some guy pulls up a ball with a date on it. If it's your birthday, you MUST GO TO VIETNAM. Someone else making choices for you in this land of freedom. Life and death choices.
By pure luck, my brother was one of the last chosen and was never drafted.
What do you all remember from this time, if anything?
What do you think of it in terms of the history of the US?
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Re: 1969 - a crazy, crazy year
Mon, July 20, 2009 - 3:57 PMIt was mostly just something I saw on TV, the hippies, the riots, the ....
Wait a minute, how did I get here?? Wasn't I on the ... what?
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Mon, July 20, 2009 - 4:02 PMbwahHaHAhhhaHaaaaah! My evil plan is working. We shall overcome.
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Mon, July 20, 2009 - 4:10 PMI was just thinking about pooping and drinking from boobs. -
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Mon, July 20, 2009 - 4:31 PMI was still nursing and in diapers (born Dec 68)
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Mon, July 20, 2009 - 7:50 PMMy uncle was drafted & wound up being stationed in Korea. He met his wife there. Still married.
My cousin was of fighting age but never got called.
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Mon, July 20, 2009 - 7:52 PMI was born after my dads first tour. He was around for almost a year, before he got sent back to Nam on his second tour. -
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Mon, July 20, 2009 - 8:37 PMI turned two that year :) The only memory I have from when I was two was getting my tonsils out, but I'm not sure at what point in the twos that happened...
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Re: 1969 - a crazy, crazy year
Mon, July 20, 2009 - 11:29 PMI was five. I had a crush on my dad's best friend's son. I also had a crush on Mr. Rogers. But I could hold Roland's hand. My sister had been born a couple of years before and in the mornings before my parents woke up I would haul her out of her crib and down the stairs so we could play with waking them up. I don't think my parents liked this much, but they were usually sleeping when it happened. We lived in Daly City, south of San Francisco. Mom locked the car doors when we drove down the Haight. Businesses were empty, windows boarded up. This is what mom tells me. I remember Montessori school. Trying to slide down a wood board and getting splinters in my butt. I remember being hurt because I wasn't invited to a friend's bday party. And I must have made a bit of a fuss, cuz I got invited and was the only poor white kid there. And I remember having my own bday party with Montessori friends and Sarah Pratt (but we all called her Sarah Brat) gave me my gift to open, and then took it back because she liked it and didn't want to give it to me after all. It was a box of little toy rings. I really liked it. Later that night, we went over to Sarah's and her parents thought they had talked her into giving me my gift, but she never did. And I also think that's the year mom left dad and drove up to WA state to stay with my grandparents. By the next year she and dad were getting a divorce. That's what I remember.
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 8:06 AMI was 7 and my dad tool me to the Harvard protest. I remember tons of people laying on the ground, bloody, with bullet holes in their heads, I thought it was all real. I didn't know they were protesting until years later. Fucking war. Fucking drunk father. -
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 8:24 AMWHoa. Yeah. That's fucked. -
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 2:38 PMI graduated HS in the Class of 69 and drew #326 in the draft lottery. Tumultuous times as I recall and I ended up moving to Canada the next year without any particular reason (draft wise). Could have just as easily enlisted for an adventure in Nam, such was my impulsive disposition at the time.
The overall historical impact of the 60's is no greater or less than the 40's or 20's or 1860's for that matter but to Boomers it's a first person experience, so that's what makes it "special".
The unoffical slogan of the Class of '71 comes to mind. "71 gets the job done, but '69 has a better time".
Time marches on. For me, looking forward into the abyss tends to take precedence.
Where the hell did the last 40 years go?
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 3:14 PMI wan't born yet! My birthday is 1/1/70. My half-sister and my unhappily married parents were living in Pleasent Hill in a shitty starter house on Viking Dr. My sister was already all CA uber-alles at like 11-12. I am pretty she had already smoked pot then. So - I have no memories of 1969, but somewhat of the fallout a few years later? At 3 months of age, which would put us about April of 1970, my dad took a job transfer from the steel plant he was working at in Oakland to Seattle. My family moved to the (then) somewhat remote end of an island. My sister crapped a brick going from the CA high life to the spidery/forested PNW outback and thus started a pretty heavy crime/drug spree which lasted well into her adult life. 17 years later when I graduated high school, the reminaing folks in the house (my mom, my dad, and I) all split for points unknown and far apart from each other. It was your typical 1970's American dysfunctional gothic. On all vacations growing up, we had to go see relatives in CA. My parents took me through places like Oakland, Watts, Venice Beach (where my dad had lived as a really little kid in the depression), etc. My mother grew up on a farm, in all places, in Compton (yeah, the Compton of "Straight Outta..." fame).
One of my good friends grew up in a tiny Finnish farming town in the Upper Penninsula of MI. He was 21 during the draft but they never drew his number. His mother had just died after a lingering illness and he told his dad he wanted to go out west. Both his parents had had him when they were pretty old (I want to say like 40??) so his dad was kind of an old farmer duffer. He left with his dad in 1969 for San Francisco from Crystal Falls, MI. My friend was ready to come jubilantly out of the closet as soon as he hit SF, and he says he remembers walking around with his Dad somewhere and there was some leather dudes hanging around a bar and his dad goes, "Well, you can see some real cowboys in this town!" It was such a great story when he told it, like a monologue from Hair or something. -
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 4:36 PM<<The unoffical slogan of the Class of '71 comes to mind. "71 gets the job done, but '69 has a better time". >>
I remember a horrible one for my year
We Like To Rock
We Like To Roll
Drink a Fifth
Smoke a Bowl
We Like To Party
It Feels Like Heaven
We're the Class of 87
going to buried my head inthe sand now
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 5:03 PMWe didn't have cheer, other than the usual football ones. -
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 5:17 PMDo you remember your school song? That was real bad too
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Tue, July 21, 2009 - 9:11 PM>The overall historical impact of the 60's is no greater or less than the 40's or 20's or 1860's for that matter but to Boomers it's a first person experience, so that's what makes it "special". <
That's why I was curious about the range of memories not only of the war, but the general Unrest of that time. VietNam was the first televised war. Nightly footage of combat, then the dead, wounded and MIA count like it was a baseball game. Being only 10, it seemed to me that that's just how war was. And then I grew up. I woke up. Our own National Guard Shot and Killed Four Students who were protesting on a college campus. Can you imagine that today? By 1975 I was 16 and clearly remember the indelible image of the last Americans scrambling into the hovering helicopter from the roof of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon.
And when they came home, the soldiers were not heroes like in other wars. They were vilified for fighting an unjust war, even if drafted. Imagine THAT. Welcome home you warmongering muttherfrukkers.
Maybe it's because I lived through it, but I believe the '60s blew open a part of our national psyche. It completely freaked out many parents who expected a continuation of the 50s lifestyle. I can't be sure, but I believe the 40s and 20s didn't have quite the impact of the late 60s. And just think of the accompanying music/soundtrack to these days and years.
Remembering those heady days reminds me of the late Walter Cronkite. That's another story altogether. He was inimitable. He was the nation's Dad. He was connected. Had mind, heart and soul and wasn't afraid to show it. Sad how that kind of humanity has been stripped from our newscasters who are all about image and ratings.
For those who were so young during the Viet Nam years, rent "The Deer Hunter." IMO it's far and away the tops of the Viet Nam movies, although "Platoon" and "Apocalypse Now" are close runners up.
Good lord. This is just the beginning. I remember the hot summer of riots and ultra-violence. The Black Panthers, Angela Davis, the Weather Underground or just The Weathermen*, Yippies, The Chicago Seven and the '68 DNC, MLK assassinated in April, Bobby assassinated just two months later, "The Days of Rage," Timothy Leary ... What the hell was going on? Everything we knew was wrong. It's been a whole new world since then.
* took its name from the lyric "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows", from the Dylan song Subterranean Homesick Blues.
And this year is the 20th anniversary of "Do the Right Thing" ... hot town, summer in the city ... rent that one, too.
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Wed, July 22, 2009 - 6:35 AM
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Wed, July 22, 2009 - 6:37 AM
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Re: 1969 - a crazy, crazy year
Fri, August 7, 2009 - 10:54 PMI just remember being p!ssed off that they held Woodstock without inviting me (I wuz 8 at the time...)