when I meet someone who is buddhist or hindu I have to ask what tradition they are. Are you a vishnav? are you a shiva-shakti are you mahayana? are you niecherin???? hey throw me a line ! Or are a a hari krshna???

You automatically assume it has something to do with paganism, when it doesnt. Its an eastern thing.
It also assists with communication if you know these things.

because to me someone who follows traditional teachings of Hinduism is very diff from a pagan who likes shiva cause he is the lord of the dance and she is a stripper so that seems to be the logical corse.
it wasnt her time to understand Nataraj, though I wished she would have gone to see my vishnav freind ms devi.)

Im not pagan.
I pay attention to TRADITIONAL hindu teachings regarding hindu things like chakras and kundalini and yoga. Since they are from there. And people from india have been practicing these concepts from time immaterial.
I would not attend a yoga class with someone who did not study the TRADITIONAL teachings.

It would be just as ridiculous as learning Egyptian yoga from someone who doesn't know who Maat is or why Maat is important. (yes I like personifying the names)



If you want to adhear to that one set myth above all myths that is just fine, I have no problem with it. Though Im not sure Im going to appreciate the value of that one myth being the only one a person should pay attention to and for some reason erases the purpose and meaning of the rest of them.
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY blah !
I know there there is more than one myth regarding set. And I rather like them. You and I both know that there were at least four or so diff "learning centers" (yes temples, just in case that needed clarification) with their own set of myths that they centered on. Or should I say mystery teachings to make you feel better?

Thank you for pointing the divine eye since I forgot that part.

And no, heru didn't make set his bitch. Ra said "I shall take him as my son. He shall thunder in the skies and be feared."

Heru and Set battled, there was no conclusion Geb brought them to arbitration.

And actually Im glad you brought that up, because it reflects the different myths and teachings, for example that set was the only ONE ntr to be able to slay apep by himself (in the 11th hour.There are at least three diff versions of going through the duat, each one having its own set of ntr that slay apep. Im not going to believe one is more 'accurate' than another.) This could attribute to why Heru never actually defeated him in the myth. I guess you could say loosing your left nut is worse than loosing an eye... I dunno, Im not even going to go there.... "Oh Set, you who are the divine ladder..." also comes to mind, if all this guy was about was ickeyness why would he help Asar climb the ladder to 'heaven' why would he help anyone?
(that is somewhere in the book of coming forth by day).
No ntr is cut /dry and simple. They are not 2 dementional teachings. its like saying het-her is the goddess of love and beauty. only. end. blah

I have always liked the idea of the secret families who somehow escaped from the 'christians' then the 'muslums' Its very romantic. I imagined christian jaq would have studied with them. Like way back when the most learned scholars would go study in her temples. Plurtarch, Pathagorus. Kmt was open to the serious seeker who wanted to and had the discapline to learn.

Reconstruction
it is a word
not exclusive to any set of individuals
It is commonly used when restructuring and or redefining or putting something back together in a cohesive whole.


Did I mention Im not pagan?

yeah Im not pagan.

you keep bringing weird things into this, no idea why you are so fixated on pagans and 'western' people as if they have something to do with me asking if I left anything out, or if there was anything to add in my myth/text collecting for the heru-set figure. They dont. If you have some sources who have written about this symbol that I can cite and quote that would be great. Or if you have some text laying about that you translated that could add to it, that would be cool too.

One god/consciousness = Many names.
and since the divine made us we all have that spark of the divine, the divine experiences life through us. Hence we are all connected. We are all divine.

Namaste !
(I bow to the divine in you !)

I got the oportunity to learn from an Avatar aka Hindu Saint, the incarnation of sri lalita

Sri Karunamayi

This is how she greets everyone. The people that I have met in rt life and have learned from all say something very similar.

"Embodiment of divine souls, Amma's most beloved sweet children. I love you always, millions and millions of times."

Of course a monk is going to go about it slightly differant depending on his or her TRADITION
like a Mahayana will not say the same as a varayanah. (mostly because mahayan believes everyone has inherant buddha nature and varayanah believes it only attainable through blah blalh blah)

My point here, is that Someone who truly has awakened to their divine nature/connection with god/enlightenment. A true MASTER looks at people in the matter of the above. With love and compassion. Because you are a part of this organism called the universe. You, the creation of ntr, a piece of ntr is connected to those westerners you want to lump together as if they ALL ARE these horrid people. There is no separation. The separation is in your mind. Its all in your ego.

Some people are more lost and or ignorant than others yes, some people are filled with xin mo. Some people are fucking evil and the only way to preserve the safety of the comunity is to stabe them in tha face (slight exageration) But to say all western minded people, or all westerners are [insert negitive comment here] is a judgmental over generalization. Clueless pagans. Who are you that you are going to insult ALL of the PAGANS in the world. You cant do that unless you have this prejudiced, judgmental fixation. As if everyone has to believe in exactly everything the same way you do.

Not everyone is at the same stage of spiritual evolution.
Not everyone is going to be monotheistic
not everyone is going to be polytheistic


Any one who says that one spiritual belief is more correct than another is wrong.
Finding the origins is important and great. Finding the commonalities is wonderful. Saying hinduism is the root of buddhism is not accurate. It was a hindu guy, who formed a new philisophacal teaching. The teaching like the pali cannon and tibetan are a result of the language and culture of Shakyamuni. Yeah he used familiar words and symbols so that people would understand. It remains Sidheartha form this philisophacal way of life, Janism and Pali cannon --> tibetan buddhism Vajraya buddhism are considered to be the closest to the original teachings /orrigin.

then we have mahayanah which includes pure land and zen. there are many diff buddhist traditions that have the common origin of this guy who wanted to aliviate the worlds suffering.

from that angle its easy to understand why its not an accurate statement to say that buddhism was born of hinduism. Nor can you say all buddhists are from india.

Its not that I don't get some of what you are saying. It used to drive me crazy when someone says oh yeah Im so close to the goddess Isis.

And because I try to be polite I atempt to explain, thats the greek name, her kemetic name was Auset.

Im not even going to go into the debates that ensued from just that statement.
Yeah, sure not everyone is ready to delve into the deeper 'mysteries' aka consciousness. *shrug* its not thier time. .

However, your assertion that people, whether they are authors or some guy you see walking down the street has nothing to offer is born of ego and arrogance. That is not what ntr teach. It is the design of divine consciousness, every person, every situation is created, born from this, from you, from ntr.

Your divine consciousness, your connection is here, its now, its through everyone and everything you come in contact with. Seshat.

Also you offered absolutely nothing on the subject matter of what I was writing about. Except that I forgot about the eye. You didnt talk about the other myths or anything usefull. All you relly did was nitpick at my semantics. And act as if the theeban school mythmysteryteachingofwhat not is the only way. Its like watching a fundamental southern baptist and a Eucharistic Minister go at it.

satsetsara.blogspot.com/2009/0...an.html

there is my opinion on the 'heart of man'

So its not like I dont 'know' and that no one 'knows' what is and has been going on; though this post is not about that. It was about something else. I dont particularly feel that repeating it every single time I make a post is going to help matters in regards to all that. So your agenda would be to make sure that the past evils of man are formost in every bit of writing, instead of concentrating on heightening consciousness.

I have no idea why you are bringing this into this post, this post is not about that, its about the collection of myths regarding the composite symbol of set and heru

Im sorry you feel the need to judge the authors

And YES
there are differant levels to it
its like hinduism, some people are rather pagan about it. others are not, hinduism and buddhism are not just religions but a way of life and belife. Why you are assuming I dont get that is beyond me.


The reconstructionalists I was refering to would be people that who are reconstructing the kemetic TRADITIONAL teachings from mdu ntr instead of pulling shit out thier ass. Its a compliment.

And then you insult a very well learned person who dedicates thier life toward the goal of sacred kmt tradition. Im so utterly shocked that you would disrespect a person in such a way. Out of modern authors there are currently two that I 'trust' enough to read their books. Ashby and Rosemary Clark. I dont always agree with everything they say and or write, and occasionally ms clark and I have had our differences, however, most of their writings provide the same concept/teaching. And their bibliogrophies share many of the same sources.

Afflictions
this is found on page 41
of The heart of Prajnaparameta Sutra
with verses without a stand and prose commentary

venerable Tripitaka Master Hsuan Hua
English Translation by the buddhist Text Translations Society
copyrite 2002

"How do you give rise to afflictions? By being stupid. You misunderstand situations and so are afflicted."

Why do you become afflicted? Thoughts of contempt, of arogance and condescension generate afflictions."

"Why are you still afflicted right now? Because you have deviant views and see situations incorrectly. If no matter what is happening, you have proper knowledge, proper views, and genuine wisdom, you will see very, very clearly and will understand completely. When clarity and understanding appear in the midst of circumstances, then there is no affliction. It is the deviant views of greed, hatred, stupidity, arrogance and doubt that produce the affliction-obstacle."