involvement

topic posted Tue, September 13, 2005 - 11:57 AM by  partyradar
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i think it'd be a great idea to get local groups and various ppl who already throw parties, involved.

they might also have ideas re permits.

anyone have any ideas?
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partyradar
Portland
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  • Re: involvement

    Tue, September 13, 2005 - 12:40 PM
    Who knows how to get in touch with the moontribe people?

    Also there is an assload of firedancers in this town.

    Rico
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      Re: involvement

      Tue, September 13, 2005 - 12:45 PM
      Hi. One of the assload here. :P
      I'd LOVE to play with fire on Pacific, but I know you have to get permits to do it. I don't want to screw anything up for the main fire dancing troupe in town because they've put a lot of effort into keeping up a good rapport with the city. All it would take is one person to mess all that up.
      I'll ask them what it takes to get the permit, but I doubt the city would allow it on New Year's Eve with a ton of people around. It's just too dangerous. I honestly don'tthink it'd be worth the risk.
      • Re: involvement

        Tue, September 13, 2005 - 1:11 PM
        I've seen some people fire dancing down in the empty lot next
        to Lulu Carpenters, can't remember what the occasion was, or if
        it was legal.
        On First Night someone is setting candles in that spot.

        There must be a location somewhere downtown ...
        • Re: involvement

          Tue, September 13, 2005 - 1:25 PM
          well, what would we have to do to convince the city to give us permits?

          i bet it can be done.

          i know i can be persuasive.

          i'd be willing to write something up and/or get on the phone.
          • Re: permits

            Tue, September 13, 2005 - 4:51 PM
            Fuck permits. Its OUR city, not nine semi-elected folks who meet now and then to tell us what we can and can't do. I don't expect them to approve. But then we're not asking for their approval either.

            Fire folx can either choose or choose not to take the risk of lighting up downtown - that's up to them. And maybe the authorities will tell them to put it out. Or maybe they won't. A thousand people marching in an impromptu parade is a lot to try to control.

            Same with music. I'm sure it's against some law somewhere for a bunch of good folks to get together and make good music for the enjoyment of a gathered crowd. But fuck that shit. Music and dancing and joy are our right.

            But I can say that trying will certainly be fun. Instead of seeking permits from capricious and cautious city managers, how about instead we focus on seeing who's willing to take the risk of truly living without limits?

            Again, it is our city. And we make our choices accordingly.
            • Re: permits

              Tue, September 13, 2005 - 6:50 PM
              Look up the Raindance tribe. I've seen Little John spinning off the back of a flat bed truck on 4th of July. The cops tried to stop him, and they just moved the truck somewhere else and started again.
            • Re: permits

              Wed, September 14, 2005 - 2:19 PM
              Whoa there tiger! I think you've got a good idea here but you're making some pretty big assumptions and whether you choose to recognize it or not, there are some tactics that you can employ that will actually increase the success of an event such as this, rather than damper it. I'm all for renegade art, music, dance and community cheer, but here are some things to keep in mind.

              No one can just go downtown and spin fire without it affecting both the fire spinning community in town or the public. Nocturnal Sunshine has been permitted for multiple spots downtown including "The Pit" next to Lulu's, Kianti's, the Vets Hall and the 418 Project. Permits require filling out some paperwork, paying $50 and working with city fire officials who can actually be quite nice and excited to bring such a thing to downtown. In the past we've made it the event planners or the establishment owner's responsibility to complete the permit paperwork with us and to pay the fee. This can be done at the fire admin building on Walnut St.

              Theoretically, anyone could just go spin, but it's not officially permitted and could affect things in the future for responsible spinners. There are a lot of folks out there who spin carelessly and irresponsibly. All we need is one fuck-head with no safety to lose a poi into the audience or spin inebriated for public fire spinning to come to an abrupt halt and for it to become a risk of arrest if done without permit. For the same reason people don't just go around pissing on the sidewalk because they feel like it, how you conduct yourself around others in public affects the entire community. More so when you are doing something potentially dangerous like fire dancing.

              A note about First Night in general. You're not as different as you may think. First Night was started on the east coast, Boston I think, as a community response to violence and vandalism that took place on New Years Eve. Community members gathered around the arts and enabled a grass roots movement to create a safe, festive and artful atmosphere to replace the negative and destructive elements. The movement has spread around the world since then and continues to be non-profit organizations in different cities.

              You say it's OUR city, which also makes us responsible as community members for what we create in it. If you want to disrespect and step on the toes of a loved community event, you're going to experience resistance. If you want to enhance, expand, blow open and rejuvenate a loved community event, folks will probably be excited about it. Just think about your tactics if you really want to have wide and positively dramatic impacts. You're more than welcome to take the risks you speak of and to ask others to join. Are you ready to deal with how those risks will affect those that follow in years to come?

              Have you had any conversations with the First Night folks about adding your creative idea to the festivities?
              • Re: permits

                Wed, September 14, 2005 - 5:52 PM
                "Have you had any conversations with the First Night folks about adding your creative idea to the festivities? "

                There are no festivities, First Night went belly up.
                • Re: permits

                  Wed, September 14, 2005 - 6:34 PM
                  Well that explains a lot!
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                    Re: permits

                    Wed, September 14, 2005 - 9:32 PM
                    Maybe I'll test the waters downtown with a few bonefire bursts and see if anyone gets all in a tussle... :-)
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                      Re: permits

                      Thu, September 15, 2005 - 9:34 AM
                      Ooh! Let me know when you do it. I want to see that!!! :P
                      • Re: permits

                        Thu, September 15, 2005 - 10:04 AM
                        I bet you do. ;-)

                        In a tinge of seriousness- Felix Kulpa gallery had been hosting Bonefire Bob and John in thier courtyard on Friday nights through most of July. Bob broke out the Pyrocussion set-up and John let loose with a couple of shows before the tanks froze up with great regularity. Felix Kulpa being private space, the police never ended up appearing. I wonder if that'd be the case in front of O'Neils. I might be able to work up a routine with Morgani and Robert. :-)

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