You say "limerent" like it's a bad thing!

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I want to throw out a topic that occurred to me as I was grocery shopping today.

As I said in a post last night, I realized just recently that I have been limerent since the age of thirteen. And realizing this truth about myself has made me think that, hey, I have a good life. My first marriage was a bust, but my second (and current) marriage is very successful. As I have said elsewhere, my marriage is an intense friendship rather than a romance, but that may actually contribute to its stability--and its durability. I have a job that requires me constantly to work closely and productively with a variety of people, and I am generally thought to be someone who can get people to work together enthusiastically. I also have a network of friends with whom I have actual non-limerent and two-sided relationships. I attribute my success in these arenas to my ability and willingness to form close relationships. I can't imagine how flat and dull my life would be if I had only superficial relationships with other people.

So I wonder if my limerence hasn't actually enriched my life. How would I--or we--be different if we were non-limerent? Is limerence a kind of neutral ability that can have a benign as well as destructive expression? One-sided bad? Two-sided good?

Whaddaya think?

Doug
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  • Re: You say "limerent" like it's a bad thing!

    Sun, November 8, 2009 - 2:45 AM
    Hi Doug, Hi Chrysalis (great name!)

    I think this is an interesting topic worthy of reflection. I would agree with Chrys that my non-limerent relationships have never been flat and grey or dull and that limerence need not be present for deep, enriching relationship. In fact, I find the opposite to be true. Limerence, for me, is a destroyer of intimacy and depth as it thrives on myopic fantasy and superficial imaginings of the person vs. the stickiness of the real person - the good, the bad, the ugly. :) I believe it is the feeling of aliveness that comes with limerence, not the limerence itself, that makes our world come alive and I can say from my own experience that this feeling has always been present in my largely non-limerent self (I have had one bout of limerence). I fall in love in technicolor. So there is GREAT HOPE here for those of us who have suffered or are suffering in limerence. Own those feelings of aliveness - you are capable of feeling them and now the work ahead is to unpin them from your LO and back onto yourself. I think the gift of limerence is the opening up of feeling - especially in those who hadn't been opened this way before (I had, but without the obsessive craziness). Life is about feelings and experience after all and enriching relationships with others. It warms my heart to read of your good friendships, Doug. A big part of climbing out of the limerent pit for me was the reaching out to others (one friend in my physical life knows) and the ability to do that is a beautiful thing - the ability to make yourself vulnerable. So, I'd see the limerence itself is not benign, but the feelings that arise within us can be rechanneled to life-affirming instead of life-destroying acts and stories we tell ourselves. Thanks for posting this - I appreciate being able to reflect on the positives that came from being limerent. For me it pointed to some deep needs in my marriage that were going unmet. My LO was a messenger of sorts, but the message wasn't about attaching myself to him, but listening more deeply to myself.

    Be well,
    Sofia
    • Re: You say "limerent" like it's a bad thing!

      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 2:53 AM
      Oh, and something I've always chuckled about (when my limerence was fading, that is) is the name limerent. It sounds like *deviant* or that it describes someone with *aberrant* behavior (true at times!) as if we should be marked like star-bellied sneetches on the beaches (Dr. Seuss)!!! I used to call an old limerent friend a Swooning Sweetie - somehow I liked that better - and he used to call his flashes of limerence - glimmerence - felt a bit more humane and less clinical. Anyway, not your question, but my thought... :)
      • Re: You say "limerent" like it's a bad thing!

        Sun, November 8, 2009 - 4:59 AM
        Yeah, I agee with you Sofia ... the word "limerent" doesn't sound like what it is. To me it conjures up images of some object, probably a creature that lives in a the land of Jabberwocky, giving off a soft, moon-quality light. It doesn't have any resonances of the intensity, the pain, the all-consuming obsessions that it brings. I'm sure someone will tell me where Tennov got the word from, but another word that encompasses pain, joy, complete preoccupation, inability to concentrate, extreme frustration and sleepless nights would be more suitable, methinks. A tall order? But maybe if we gave it some thought it would take our minds off our LOs for a second or two!
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          Re: You say "limerent" like it's a bad thing!

          Sun, November 8, 2009 - 6:03 AM
          Here's some speculative etymology about "limerent":

          The Latin word "limen" means "threshold," and is a word used in English to mean "the threshold of a physiological or psychological response." So perhaps a limerent is one who, as it were, remains on the threshold of a two-sided relationship: unable to consummate a genuine relationship with the other person, the limerent creates a fantasy relationship and turns the person into an LO.

          I have not read deeply enough to know where Tannov got the word, so the foregoing is pure linguistic speculation.

          Leaf
        • Re: You say "limerent" like it's a bad thing!

          Sun, November 8, 2009 - 6:10 AM
          Oh, bunny, thanks for the laugh!!! :) T'was brillig and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe all mimsy were the borogroves and the mome raths outgrave... (I had to recite that poem in Junior High and I was so fascinated by it that now it is permanently etched into my memory taking up the space where "where are those car keys?" should be! :) Actually, I take that back, I'd rather have Jabberwocky in my head! For some reason I also see our limerent beast as something rather snaggle-toothed, with teeth protruding from mouth even when said mouth is closed and then I also feel some compassion for the beast like Mary Shelley's hideous progeny after all we all birthed the beasts ourselves, didn't we and maybe he just needs some good loving?

          Be well,
          Sofia
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        Re: You say "limerent" like it's a bad thing!

        Sun, November 8, 2009 - 6:43 AM
        Well Sofia, it is a made-up word as you probably know, and if you decompose it as you might “deviant”, i.e. one who deviates, then it would be interesting to know what “limer” might mean. The result, per Wiktionary, is startlingly appropriate:

        From Anglo-Norman limer ( = Old French liemier, French limier), from Old French liem (“‘leash’”).

        limer (plural limers)

        1. (obsolete) A kind of dog kept on a lead; a bloodhound; a mongrel.

        So there you go.

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