Ethics?

topic posted Wed, March 14, 2007 - 9:28 PM by  Zenbeatle
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I was reading through the posts on the "Why I created this tribe.." thread and noticed something. Many people speak of meditation, magical and shamanic practice but few of us are talking about ethics. This is not a criticism; it is just something I noticed. My feeling is that part of that comes from being on the "wrong" end of morality as gay people. Also, I think that generally, in this day and age, we do not like to feel restricted. However, so many of the worlds great wisdom traditions have a code of ethics that is viewed as central to the practice (Yama & Niyama in Yoga, the Bodhisattva Precepts in Zen, the Commandments (10 of Moses or the 2 Great Commandments of Jesus), etc.) and central to enlightenment. My question is:

What role do ethics play in your practice and your spirituality?

For me, taking and keeping the Boddhisattva Precepts has been an astounding practice. I feel that it has lead to a growth in wisdom and in freedom. Life is just so much easier for me now that I am mindful of practicing non kiling, non-stealing, not misusing sexuality, not lying, not being intoxicated, not speaking ill of others, not elevating myself and blaming others, not being greedy, not harboring anger, and not speaking ill of the Three Treasures. I initially saw these as restrictions. Over time, however, I am coming to appreciate all that these precepts add to my practice and to the freedom in my life.

However, I notice that in my day to day life, people (especially my fellow queers) react strangely to me when I say "Oh, I don't do that." or even just "No, thank you." Sometimes they pursue and react even more negatively when I tell them that I have taken vows and am trying to keep them. I try to do this in as non-judgemental a way as possible. I make clear that this is simply my practice and not something I expect them to follow. However, I sense a general aversion in the queer community to having any kind of code of ethics and sticking to it.

What is your experience?
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Zenbeatle
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    Re: Ethics?

    Wed, March 14, 2007 - 9:56 PM
    you go off about buddha stuff, I guess your a buddhist huh? Strange that your Dali Lama has no ethics, he left his original followers in the dust as he flew to stardumb. But if you want to talk about my own ethics, I believe in honesty, even if its ugly or unwanted. I respect others as long as they respect me, they get what they give. Just as I like to get what I give. i treat everyone with as much love and honesty as I can. I give to the Earth by way of actual hands on activities. How many buddhists do that? Most go to temples and get lost in the babble. I believe in action more than ways of being. i think it is easy to judge others just as it is easy to judge yourself. when I look at all of the land these temples take from nature I also wonder about ethics, how is it we need such things? The animals need only Earth to be their temple, we could learn such things..

    I use magic only in the form of white, only on myself. I share what comes through me freely (which some buddhist gurus could learn how to do, oh I know, by donation only..another way of saying give me money!). Just check my website ( www.souls4totalfredom.org ) and you shall see YEARS worth of work just given away. Why? Becuase I love life, humanity, Earth. There is NO price for truth as far as I am concerned, not real truth anyway.

    I have learned to speak the languages that are spoken to me, this means that if you are acting like a bitch perhaps you only understand the language of a bitch. This I know and understand because I grew up on the streets, I know by experience that some people only hear you if you speak their language. I try first other ways, but if that doesn't work then I speak as is spoken to me. I love my inner bitch and know that it is there. We all have one and need to embrace it with love..which is honesty..trust and compassion of course. I dont pretend to always be right, but when I know I am I stand by it like glue. i dont do something because its in vogue or trendy, I do only what I feel. This is my most important ethic as fakeness and falseness suck. I dont steal, I dont gamble, I honor my friends and family, I dont trash myself on booze or drugs ( alhough I do believe in pot and use it regularly, T.H.C.= Trust..Honesty..Compassion! See why? I love hidden clues to cosmic truth. It is also in my ethics to never follow someone elses truth, for that is the path of illusion that leads one away from their true self.

    i test EVERYTHING that comes through me, if I have painted it and written about it, then it is because I have tested the knowledge enough times to know it is real. I never say something unless I honestly believe it is true. I also believe that being true to yourself is the biggest ethic one could have in this life and world. So many of us are lost in some kind of illusion, this is why Earth suffers at our hands. It is like this because people dont know how to be true to themselves or they give up, believing they dont matter. I know I do just by being alive. It is like the buddhist saying we are nothing but a speck of sand, I believe that is a mis-guided truth since each one of us holds the universe in our hands.

    Know yourself, another ethic I live by. Who are you without your religion, without anything you are today, do you know? I do, know myself that is. I also believe that politeness often replaces honesty which is so wrong, therefore I would rather be always honest than always polite, since it is not always possible to do both! When I have sex intimacy must be a part of it, along with a good sence of humanism and love. i dont need to know you to love you though, I just need to be real and create love in the moment.

    I never say yes to something unless my heart is into it, this includes employment and the work space. I give of myself where my heart tells me to, which is in lots of places! thats my responce for now, if I can pin point more I will let you know, right now I'm a little tired. :)
    • Re: Ethics?

      Thu, March 15, 2007 - 9:19 AM
      I love this little expression I head once.

      "Trust only those who seek the truth. Run from those who claim to know it."
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        Thu, March 15, 2007 - 5:07 PM
        <"Trust only those who seek the truth. Run from those who claim to know it.">

        Sometimes I think I live from one good bumper sticker to another. That will be this week's. Thanks for that.
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      Thu, March 15, 2007 - 7:35 PM
      It may surprise you that I agree with the substance of what you have to say about ethics. However, there are some points I would like to clarify.

      <you go off about buddha stuff, I guess your a buddhist huh?>

      Yes, I seem to have overlooked mentioning that.

      <Strange that your Dali Lama has no ethics, he left his original followers in the dust as he flew to stardumb.>

      Not all Buddhists "follow" the Dalai Lama. He is the leader of a particular school of Tibetan Buddhism. My tradition comes to the US through Japan. No connection to the Dalai Lama here.

      <I give to the Earth by way of actual hands on activities. How many buddhists do that?>

      Quite a few. It is actually a major part of the teaching in our tradition, the Zen Peacemaker Order.

      Other than that, I thank you for sharing with us on this topic. You make some excellent and enlightening points.
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        Thu, March 15, 2007 - 8:33 PM
        so do you, you just taught me something, thanks! And I'm glad to hear that connecting and nurturing the Earth is a part of your practice. It should be since we ARE the Earth. Be well little buddha boy!
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    Sun, March 18, 2007 - 9:19 PM
    Yeah, Ethics with a really really big question mark!

    Queer ethics would actually require queer prersonal responsibilty. Which I don't see to many people clamoring for. Seems just about everyone wants their "rights", though. Well, um, boys and girls? With rights COME responsibilities. So here's my little rant.

    A brilliant young (queer) friend of mine had some very wise things to say regarding ethics, both on a personal and political level. He talked about the "rights" that we endlessly obsess about, especially as gay grrlzz and boiz, are'nt really that darn relevant. For instance, yes, we should have the freedom to marry whom we choose.

    It seems a bit self-serving, and really quite myopic to fixate on that, when we do not have the "right" to affordable housing, or heat, or electricity, or food. How about demanding an upgrade in the national quality of food? Why not demand a ban on high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils and the artificial colours, flavors and preservatives? Cuz noone died from not being able to get married. Not that I'm aware of, anyway.

    But people are ill and dying every day in this, our most "enllightened" of times, and in this most "1st Wold" of nations. From lack of heat, inadequate clothing, poisoned food and air and water. So while we are right to demand an equal treatment, we must demand it just as loudly for the people who are NOT in our SIG.Special Interest Group. Special (Cuz we are so very special) Interest (Cuz we are nothing if not interesting, but we're more often truly fabulous) Group (Cuz I, for one, love to play with a group.) And my personal ethic on that one is Point 1: I intend harm to none. If harm is perceived, refer to Point .

    So I see a curious, mixed-up muddled-up shook-up world of dodgy ethics and morals, rights and reponsibilities. Wherein, we can easliy get ourelves off- track by aligning with idealogies that are not as holistic as need be for benefit of all.

    I hope that as we look to each other as a community and political force, we can be in integrity and do justice not just to our own Cause, but the Causes of others. Who are every bit as valid in their humanity, whether we agree with them, or not, as we are. Cuz there really is no We, no Them. There is only US. And that's my strongest ethic.

    I am not perfect in my enactment of it. But I continue to get my personal bullshit out of the way of my higher aspiration. I continue to look, listen and learn. 'Bout me, my fellow humans, and all the creatures not shaped like me. So I hope that my ethic wins in the end. And not my disdain for the assholes. I'd rather fuck them...
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    Ethics defined

    Mon, June 4, 2007 - 9:16 PM
    I wonder how ethics becomes twined with morals with it comes to ethical practices within our tribe. Ethics and morals are two different critters. From what I've played with, ethics shows up strongly when one's word aligns with one's deed (result - integrity). Often, words aligned with similar deeds of various groups eventually create an ethical roux.

    Morals invite a social or cultural norming component. As we all know, cultural norms evolve ever so quickly. What was once absolutely forbidden may now be completely acceptable - until one day - it becomes forbidden again . . .

    Combine ethics with morals and we invite complexity beyond understanding . . . .

    From a personal practice, ethics play a central role in helping me align my word with my deed. When I don't do what I say, I've come to know I invite a lesson that teaches me to get myself back in alignment - quickly.
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    Tue, June 5, 2007 - 2:57 AM
    Great question!
    Ethics however in my opinion are a personal choice.
    Do you stand by the universal truths of love and harmony with all things or do we need restrictions that give us artificial bounderies so we don't 'slip' and disobey the ethics of the time-place you are in.
    I am a person dedicated to the love and healing of this world and it's people. I need no 'code of ethics' to know right from wrong.

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