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I'd see myself as a person with access to the moderator account, like a 'puppet' figure so to speak,
not to direct or guide anyone/the group
not to personally appoint appoint myself to sort out anyone's problems
etc
only to act for the group when the group asks it (me being part of the group).
Daisy, you said in one post that if there's one moderator they have to cop all the heat ... well it remains to be seen if something would challenge what I have to say here, but I feel at this point that I wouldn't be alone in moderating, I'd be one of the group as I am now, whose only real responsibility is to act on behalf of the group when asked to, and voted on.
I don't see this as the ultimate ideal, acting on the majority rather than reaching a concensus, but it seems to me that this is where we are at for now, and that we just used that system to re-empower the majority here in this tribe.
I feel like I have enough of a feel or connection with most of the speaking members here for now to feel I can handle what I'm proposing.
If I can't stand the heat, I'll get out of the kitchen,
and if people want me to leave and vote on it, I'll hand over the controls ....
(I might go through some rejection stuff and cry about it though!!)
I do want to say that I have a caring for this tribe, that hasn't gone away yet no matter how much I've felt challenged. I hear this from Daisy and others too, and see how tenaciously some of us stay ... that feels special.
Love, Semele
not to direct or guide anyone/the group
not to personally appoint appoint myself to sort out anyone's problems
etc
only to act for the group when the group asks it (me being part of the group).
Daisy, you said in one post that if there's one moderator they have to cop all the heat ... well it remains to be seen if something would challenge what I have to say here, but I feel at this point that I wouldn't be alone in moderating, I'd be one of the group as I am now, whose only real responsibility is to act on behalf of the group when asked to, and voted on.
I don't see this as the ultimate ideal, acting on the majority rather than reaching a concensus, but it seems to me that this is where we are at for now, and that we just used that system to re-empower the majority here in this tribe.
I feel like I have enough of a feel or connection with most of the speaking members here for now to feel I can handle what I'm proposing.
If I can't stand the heat, I'll get out of the kitchen,
and if people want me to leave and vote on it, I'll hand over the controls ....
(I might go through some rejection stuff and cry about it though!!)
I do want to say that I have a caring for this tribe, that hasn't gone away yet no matter how much I've felt challenged. I hear this from Daisy and others too, and see how tenaciously some of us stay ... that feels special.
Love, Semele
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:34 PMIf you are willing, you have my vote.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:07 PMI think any and all moderator decisions should require unanimous approval at least of those who've acdtively participated here over the past few years. Otherwise people who don't share the pov of "the group" will be marginalized and will have no voice, and those people also may include some who also care about this place just as much as you do. they just don't happen to share your point of view or the point of view of "the majority", but care about it all the same, and so should rightly have a voice.
Also I feel this will encourage participation of more differing points of view and a better representation of how more people actually feel about things because they won't be intimidated and discouraged from participation by fear of going against the "majority".
I personally suspect that the TRUE majority, does not participate for just such reasons. They simply fear not being received or listened to and so don't bother speaking up.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:35 PMWhat is meant by 'unaminous approval' if half the members aren't even here?
I agree with Semele being Moderator on a temporary basis, up to six months.
Karolina voices she doesn't like it yet can go along with it
and I want to hear her out, as well as all others here
let's move along too
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 10:01 PMSorry if it was unclear.
Unanimous approval means that no one is overridden who cares enough to speak their feelings on a given issue. In otherwords if anyone who's an active member says, "I'm opposed to this", then it doesn't fly...
Basically this is like Daisy's idea of the council only more inclusive as anyone who wants to be gets to be on the council.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:23 AMI am not saying Semele has intent to Decieve. I am saying that I feel that basically everyone who now feels like part of the majority has intent to shut out any who don't agree with their point of view, to not listen to them or give them any part of shaping the Tribe, but to cut them out of the process instead. That's not fair to person's who care about this place and have invested themselves in it to be excluded from the process of shaping it. Even if they in the majority think they have good intent, people still have gaps including Semele.
If it had to be unanimous people would have to work thorugh differences on things. If someone disagreed then they'd have to be given a hearing and included in the decision making process, and whatever the idea was would have to go back to the drawing board and be in process until things were worked out to everyone's satisfaction.
Semele expressed the opinon that a couple people expressing here a little while back were "trolls". I don't know if I trust or can go along with that they were. I'm not sure even what the designation really means, and I think its mainly just a judgment. I didn't read all of it, so I don't know what caused people to form this conclusion, but the one person didn't seem to feel they were a troll and strongly objected to the label being applied to them. aD, you feel pretty "troll=like" to me for the most part and always have, but apparently other people like having you around because they agree with the opinions you express here. Personally, I find your demeanor to be extremely caustic. -
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:40 AMWhen I was moderator of this place I was willing to be completely transparent and discuss openly my reasons for doing everything I did with anyone who had issues or concerns about it, but no one ever even asked or cared to try and understand why I did things. Instead they just labeled me a "tyrant". That's just how gapped people are here. I don't trust Semele. Not one bit. I have serious misgivings about her in fact.
Sure you are the majority and you can shove me out and ignore me if you want to, but that doesn't make it right or loving what you're doing.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:48 AMAnd really all these ideas about council's and taking turns don't amount to a hill of beans because no matter how you do it, its really all about the people who share the dominant pov taking and keeping control, so it doesn't really matter the details of what you all come up with in the end or even who you put in charge of carrying out "the will of the people".
My idea is a way of keeping that tendency towards control by the dominant pov in check and necessitating real communication, bridging, and understanding of one another in order to be able to move forward. I don't expect that anyone will go along with what I am saying or even give serious consideration to my objection. Though I am open to being pleasantly surprised, I expect I will be simply brushed aside... however, I feel its my duty to the principles of Love that I serve to give everyone the opportunity to do their part in healing the gap here.
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Intent is the KEY
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 11:31 PM
really all the rules in the world wont stop
an individual who has intent to deceive,
I feel semele has good intent and I am comfortable
with her being the temporary moderator,
a role that can be passed around
to any interested folks.
aD
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 9:45 AMThanks Semele for offering yourself, I agree with what you propose.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 9:48 AMSame here, and thanks, Semele.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 10:39 AMso i guess no one's going to give what i am saying even the slightest consideration....
Well fuck you too then ya bunch of assholes can go fuck yourselves.
And fuck you especially, Semele. You are one gapped bitch.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 12:25 PMAnother 'bad' post-thread up and gone by N
Runt-speak, out-the-door heartless doorjam-speak
So it seemed unsure what was troll, what's spam, what's sock-puppet
Troll is posting very inanely, stupidly and the poster prob. not belonging there at all. Often like young teens making prank phone calls. The piurest redneck.
In the case of Roger, it's borderline and mature people might be tolerant and understanding of either his mistake or his search for a right place.
Spamming is repeating the same messages and of course, the ads.
Sock-puppet is when a person takes on an additional account, avatar and uses it to raid places.
Nathan has aced all these while STILL thinking with self-importance way out here and long after the moderation position changed,
projecting like a banshee.
Besides, what's he talking about, about Semele anyway? If no one understands..just rage expression, unfounded, ungrounded, and feeding SOMEthing of that nasty world. A get-off. Well, what do you think we need overt permissions for? Until then, I don't allow such get-offs. You leave or I leave or it stops, whatever.
How we know when a rocket blasts off to Space, it tends to hurt quite the whole planet. Bear with
(and know it'd be hard to trust N when the going gets rough); this he wonders aloud about 'forever'. His fear.
Hey, it's a long haul with it, likely, so save the power, ya think?
Karolina could train you a bit, only it's hard to tell which is more powerful-rage or fears. Now rage we can knock out before it aligns b/c it hardly cares what Planet it's on, but fear is more a coexisting state.
Pls allow some surmisings above,
thank you
Tcare
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 12:30 PMPS-Drinking is more the state of trolling more than some wisdoms that slip through, so I'd appreciate people saying they're drinking while posting, so I'm uh, warned. -
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:48 AMNathan said;
'I think any and all moderator decisions should require unanimous approval at least of those who've acdtively participated here over the past few years'
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:15 AMWhat? Nathan, the moment you stopped listening to the members here is the moment we stopped listening to you. You are full of shit. Don't you remember making ultimatums and deleting people and posts? Every time I tried to post something at one point, you would delete it before anyone could even read it. You have sent me bullying emails privately telling me to shut the fuck up and asking me to leave the tribe. I am not the only person that you did this to, Nathan. As soon as someone disagreed with what you were doing, they and their posts were gone. We don't have to listen to you at all anymore if we don't want to. And why should I listen anyway? You just keep saying the same thing over and over again; "I didn't do anything, it was all of you!" -
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 10:40 AMDaisy,
If we go back to the beginning of this latest conflict. what actually happened was that I gave you some feedback you didn't like after you came into my "reflections of a dead man" thread and took a potshot at me to try and trigger the rage you sensed I had and when i didn't take the bait you started hijacking it (conducting your own seperate coversation in the middle of it) with auxdieu). when I complained about this and requested that you stop, you immediately started accusing me of being a tyrant and calling for my overthrowal as moderator.
that doesn't sound to me like someone who is willing to listen.
Nathan
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Tue, July 14, 2009 - 9:21 AMAnd that's right by the way, I DIDN'T do anything other than express my truth of the moment, which I have every right to do. Apparently a lot people seem to have a big problem with that, you in particular.
Just because I happened to be the moderator at the time does not mean I don't have the right to express my truth here.... and just because I am NOT moderator any longer now doesn't mean I don't have the right to express my truth here either.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Tue, July 14, 2009 - 9:55 PMi mean recover as in recover vibratory power i lost as a result of giving myself to this.... which is what i intend to do. i don't blame you for that loss. it was my own choice, and i'm sure there is something for me to learn from it. mostly i am just sad about it now.... I don't think its your fault. Its just really difficult gap and i'm sorry it happened this way and i wish you no ill either. i hope that you can come to peace with it in yourself too if you haven't yet.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Wed, July 15, 2009 - 2:33 PMrage expression works
when it comes from love. it's utterly healing.
without that love we get, child abuse, rape, atrocity
all the scary evils of this world.
with that love, which RUoW readers might remember Source suggests applying to all attempts to move Rage, what do we get?
i do my best to understand...
all the emotional expressions are NEEDED, they HAVE to come up!
if they don't come up in love,
in some lifetime we've ALL witnessed -- and suffered -- from rage
that DOESN'T love or view love or heart expression as 0-- oh, yah heard?
awesome
i'm gonna stick up for Nathan cause I KNOW HE'S FUCKIN TRYING as hard as others.
as far as people getting online to dump on others and fling geekspeak around, well,
i know about that. it's generally impotent and annoying, like geekspeak in general.
i'm gonna go flog my blog now.
don't forget to oscul8 for MAXXIMAL SEXXORZ
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 5:51 PMSay Nathan
Do you ever notice how Semele words things? Gee she really must be moving her emotional charges off-line, I could be wrong?
Fly at'er Semele be the new moderator.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 5:58 PMOh well
it seems that Ruow Group is more of a distraction from reading the books and not moving what needs to be moved than anything else. I won't speak for anyone else but those are my thoughts with this on-line form.
Robert-W.L.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Wed, July 15, 2009 - 8:30 AMsemele:
why don't you 'just do it' an for that matter -- modertors, leaders of all kinds are obsolescing themselves in this new age...i KNOW that.
all leaders have almost ever done is "help people stop thinking for themselves..."
but this MATER-ial
is here to help us find harmony, feel together and grow...
after a while it won't be necessary.
i would say that for the RUoW groups
someone who wanted to be a moderator
would HAVE TO UNDERSTAND the concept of Judgment Release (first book, pg. 16)
otherwise people who are working out their own patterns of judgment, denial and "fear presenting as avoidance patterns"
will subtly bully the chosen moderator into constantly being a judge,
negotiating petty disputes and
getting farther and farther away from fresh, vital and new emotional movement.
you should just do it & accept the loving help of others.
\cooperation and partnership rather than leadership and subjugation.
and damn it fucking ALL
if people don't start showing nathan some love and healing vibes it's all a big fucking sham
and they just crucified him. glad i wasn't here for that.
people are acting like he had No Caring. Now his heart's a blazed out, scorched-Earth Heart.
RUoW uses people if they don't use it, just like astrology.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Wed, July 15, 2009 - 1:00 PMif people don't start showing nathan some love and healing vibes it's all a big fucking sham
and they just crucified him.
"glad i wasn't here for that."
absences count Mikal, and says as much about your character as your now scolding attendance does. So don't give me that 'glad I wasn't here, so I claim no personal responsibility for what went on here. That was God's excuse, His gap and His 'fucking sham.' Get real. -
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Wed, July 15, 2009 - 2:29 PMi am real.
the gap is the gap. it's one, just like God is one.
as for my "absence"
everything is happening at the same time. some things OFF LINE.
i watched you crucify him,
as simple as that.
i will argue my feelings
with people who love me,
judging voices online sometimes LEARN
to let that judgment GO.
for me it is second nature.
nathan may have been wrong about a LOT of stuff.
a lack of compassion is what it is,
it's the SAME GAP, the ONLY gap,
not yours, not mine, not Seth's,
just THE GAP,
the place where atrocities of lovelessness emanate
and for this place,
the place where EVERY DAMNING THING said about Luana and Nathan
came out of.
i remember Nathan from his HARD HARD WORK ON HIMSELF
elsewhere on line.
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Re: My proposition of me as moderator
Wed, July 15, 2009 - 6:20 PMI could care less what you were doing off-line; I care about your hypocrisy about what went on here when you claim to not have been here.
And Now you claim to “have watched you crucify him (Nathan)”.
Make up your mind Mikal either you were “off-line” and ignorant of what was going on with Nathan. OR you watching ‘us’ crucify him. Which lie you going with Mikal?
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Re: My proposition of semele as moderator
Wed, July 15, 2009 - 2:23 PMcool name...
so...
uh...
now what?
just more
typing,
typing....
people are gonna
achieve great things becos (i'm free) of RUoW
like
extended physical health
--
there
is a term
i won't use for myself
"light worker"
another term
"targetted individual"
(or "TI")
if you are familiar with those terms
you can see that
mental health rights activists
and
WATER BEARERS
are gonna have
GROWING SIGNIFICANCE
IN the next 100 years.
if you were paying real attention
in the Books
you know that
raising vibration levels to lightspeed
is something Source gave us keys to in those words...
....i suggest
colonic irrigation
fasting
GUT BLOW OUT
for everyone. all of us
need to literally
stop being full of shit
and enjoy the glowing pink colonic HEALTH BENEFITS...
some of you remember me as JupiterinVirgo back at RUOW anarchy.
it represents
a generational blend.
i'm pleased to LET YOU KNOW
that we are all water bearers.
our bodies
more water than other stuff
this lovely planet
the "water glutton" of this solar system.
anyway semele
you seem really wise
even though i am now familiar with your writing only this little bit.
why don't you share more of your personal experience and feeling?
it is about healing our emotional body
and the more you feel comfy and safe
sharing personally about your 'trip'
the less i think you will get bogged down as Nathan seems to have done
being suckered by newbie people into situations where you are ASKED TO BE THE JUDGE IN DISPUTES.
that happened to seth at RUoW anarchy so much
that i was led to pity the aged father fragment that he is...
don't go out like that,
is what i am advising
cf: judgment release...
the more you divorce yourself -- any of us
divorce ourselves from judging mind
the closer we get towards vibrating the dense heart area that we are sharing currently...
...more heart vibration = more love and real feeling shared.
