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LIKE YESTERDAY.
I dont have the need to be insulted by luana any longer,
nor do I feel this group needs to ridiculed and bashed by this horrible person,
for me she is a demonic monster, spewing never-ending hatred at everybody,
perhaps except her daisy,
I personally have tried everyway I know to reach luana,
with no success whatsoever,
I am sick and tired of having every little thing I post turned into trash by
this nut,
and now I am done.
I am not sure how this works,
but I was wondering if the group took a vote,
ON REMOVING LUANA,
from this tribe,
is that possible?
and then stopping her from posting here,
I am sure she would try tricks, but since her hatred is so pervasive,
we would immediately know she was back,
and again could ban her.
really who needs this shit,
called luano!
auX
I dont have the need to be insulted by luana any longer,
nor do I feel this group needs to ridiculed and bashed by this horrible person,
for me she is a demonic monster, spewing never-ending hatred at everybody,
perhaps except her daisy,
I personally have tried everyway I know to reach luana,
with no success whatsoever,
I am sick and tired of having every little thing I post turned into trash by
this nut,
and now I am done.
I am not sure how this works,
but I was wondering if the group took a vote,
ON REMOVING LUANA,
from this tribe,
is that possible?
and then stopping her from posting here,
I am sure she would try tricks, but since her hatred is so pervasive,
we would immediately know she was back,
and again could ban her.
really who needs this shit,
called luano!
auX
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Re: REMOVAL OF LUANA
Tue, October 27, 2009 - 10:54 PMI'm fed up with her bullshit too.
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Re: Let Thee Who Is All-Perfect Cast the First Stone
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:01 AMI am grateful for the triggers Luana provides. I then go move my stuff rather than try to hash it out in any way here.
I mean, this is RUoW. If a person doesn't want their stuff shaken or stirred they should probably try a different system of healing.
And besides that, we've hung onto other members people have found irritating/gotten fed up with and I feel that's a good thing in the long run.
So, lovesweetlove to both of you but I do not concur. And when this Tribe was tossed up in the air and re-formed it was agreed that we wouldn't boot a member unless it was agreed that member was a true and huge menace, which Luana is not. There's love and lots of it in her every rant. Some times fear or only receiving her mentally blocks perception of that love.
So please, should it apply, when she jiggles your reptilian brain stem into fighting mode, go move stuff, give the computer a break, quit reading her stuff for a bit, go scream and or pound on some sofa or something
but please
don't try to punish Luana for your reaction to her nor for what she stirs within you.
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Re: Let Thee Who Is All-Perfect Cast the First Stone
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"Some times fear or only receiving her mentally blocks perception of that love. "
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:22 AMright Nu
i guess you have your own experience with luana, but, to impose that experience upon those of us who are being hounded heartlessly in the name of right use of Will, as you are clearly not, is not loving to those of us who are receiving un-loving light from her - it seems more like guilt dressed up as a mockery of self-love
now, I have been the biggest advocate of not booting people out of the forum as i was booted twice in the past, and once Seth accused me of being luana and kicked me off...so, i know about casting stones and getting unfairly hurt by such confusion and ill directed power!
and, i will witness Luana here from my own experience of her. now, if you would like to suggest she is love and i simply can't feel such because i am gapped, i will send you on your way with your ungrounded denial of what has been happening to me every day here. and what? you want US to leave because she has no desire to respect other people? that is patently unfair to those of us who do respect the other people that come to share here.
in regard to me and others here like auX, luana is not love, this she has brutally demonstrated = maybe you find this entertaining?.
...no,
i don't think that she should be kicked off the forum, but i do believe the moderator should not allow her to harrass people. otherwise the ethics and rules stated on this ruow's home page should be changed to warn newcomers that there is a person present that hates indiscriminately and she will be given every opportunity to attack. kind of like letting the gang members run the street!
your denial that is suggesting we are in too much denial to feel her love is way off course Nu, and this type of denial is not in me, it is Nu
i don't know, let me count the ways she frightens me - she is holding herself up as a representative of the right use of Will yet won't move emotion at home because the boyfriend doesn't understand right use of Will -- then yu come here and have the audacity to tell us to move emotion in response to her?
and all of the hating harrassment is done by her in the name of the right use of Will....pretty sick and twisted - got paradox?
....i am going to go into all the gorrey details so that other's here can know that what she is actually saying about them is directed at herself, then she can be seen for the self-hatred that motivates her to come and be such an ugly and foolish grandmother in the name of right use of Will. maybe you just got confused Nu about the difference between pity and love? maybe you also love self-destructiveness? - going past these things in the name of love is not what i learned from reading the right use of Will.
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Re: "Some times fear or only receiving her mentally blocks perception of that love. "
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:42 AMI agree with Nu, even though I see that is not the popular stance. From my perspective it seems like everyone takes themselves WAY too seriously, and puts too much stake in what Luana says. She is just being spontaneous even in her fucked-up-ness.
aD/AuX - I am not sure if you are more than one individual with your name changes or if maybe your voice changed due to your own evolution, but I have really enjoyed your words here. Often I have noticed you speaking "Luana" like using humor and being honest. Your much less personal in your responses but still I enjoy your voice and I think you are maybe stuck with something Luana said that is a touchy spot for you?
Andora I have read a post or two of yours where you claim this is what you are doing, being who you are even as your un-evolved self and you have thrown out insults right back to Luana, even in your post below you took a shot at her about not moving around her boyfriend, do you feel that was wrong of you? Also I believe your gap with Luana has caused a lot of the disturbance. Not to mention everyone else’s gapped feelings that seem to be reflected by Luana. I don't agree with your assessment of Luana. I think you are hurt and angry that your friendship with her hit such a painful gap. I know it’s been painful to witness but is there something in all of this mess for us to learn?
So I guess I am suggesting rather than throw out a member we instead try to be honest in our expressions here and encourage each other to find humor and love in all of our fucked-up-ness. I mean we all know Luana is a part of our community, and a part of us. She is obviously NOT a denial spirit, and as scary as that might be for some of us to face she is a part of Mother and even representative of a piece of each of us.
Like Nu said moving back from the computer and moving emotion around this whole thing would do us all some good. I swear looking at all of these lengthy posts spanning over days and days makes me wonder how one could have a real life outside of the web? When do ya'll have time to move the emotions? Or even just get out to experience things?
Alright, flame away.
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Re: Langoliers among us
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:54 AMI'm going to repost what I was adding in my Twisted Sister thread. I see Rae has joined in-Hi- I got something from Andora's mentioning the boyfriend; it's like an offset that plays into all this here. And the tumbleweeds (below) have LONG been 'spontaneous', btw. There's a difference.
The black horse is the Night Mare; we can still use It in Ceremony as the sacred Animal it is. Castaneda had such Nightmare: he described universal or of totality: THINGS that were like large dustballs or tumbleweeds that kept hitting the 'fragile' awesome human Egg shell....outer layer...ALL ONE'S LIFE practically until finally they break the Shell at the lower-mid area and the person begins dying.
Was Seeing it meaning he was already 'dead'? Was he murdered or, is it ALL about fear-of-the-world all over again? (What if that fear is illegally, evilly attacking YOU-even in 'early sign' and it 'just goes on'???)
Langoliers in other words. (Yes, the movie)
Suppose members here succumb to BEING such tumbleweeds, langoliers, hmm? It is anti-RUoW...
O yes it's all 'bullshit' (handling a Langolier)
or it's all fear-of-the-world...Either way, some members here are that. They needed to go back and find Movement long ago and in a big way
This means Nu is projecting when supporting that Luana is love; how else would he deny this tremendous reality? I reserve a bit here due to his age. This is for people older than ~32 and younger than `59. This age-group having its say.
Langoliers be guilt, maybe Lost Will in a sense (of course heartless, 'evil' and out of control-as in mixed with Earth-imprinting itSELF). Well, they're EVERYTHING fucked up and dark-THAT totality. They're like the Balls thrown to Earth long ago, yes?
and only riding the Night Mare home might you survive.
Whatever deftness it takes to close them out of here while remaining in harmony, remains to be seen. Put it this way: they did not read the books/do not understand them deeply enough.
'If this goes on there'll be nothing left'...
So in that I support Aux's stance to remove Luana and later work out her 'love' for us/the place. Nu was a bit too strong saying that she is not a true and huge menace. (the other end of the projection that she's all love HERE? : imbalance spoken-?-)
Other than that, YEA MOVE
'sorry I was in the way of a Langolier here myself'...the timing: her coming on as the other one was 'in trouble'...but to do with me (by, via that death threat stuff. THAT was what she wanted). 'Langolier has spoken' in other words.
You want that to rule/coexist????!.
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response from rae
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:03 PMhi rae,
i was hoping you would come back and interact....do you feel safe here to post?
you asked me this:
" I think you are hurt and angry that your friendship with her hit such a painful gap. I know it’s been painful to witness but is there something in all of this mess for us to learn?"
i am guessing you did not read the posts of mine expressing my feelings about the gap her and i are in....i have a wide range of emotion in regard to her....some of those who have been following this are very confused about issues of integrity, loyalty and openess/honesty, etc...
i am not confused about these issues
i am not loyal to dishonest attacks against me!
why? for getting to know luana as she was speaking a different truth to each person in her life. I recently wrote a book called "panGasm" and in this book i illustrate a new sexual ethic that is helping me to sort these issues out. When luana went into rejection of my sexual ethic i withdrew from my plans to move to a location to be with her = yeah, i was head over heels in love with the intimacy that automatically arose between us - after all, we are very much alike....except in this very vital regard. this is not something i can go past in the name of friendship or love. When i lost faith in her, it wasn't good enough for her to simply move back from our love and get on with her life, she has made a point of stalking me here. Nathan wanted me to leave as a way of manipulating the bully, but guess what rae? I've been pushed around by liars cheats and hypocrites long enough! i won't be going away to lick my wounds....as soon as i found out that luana is my definition of scum i did not lose another night sleep over the loss of my illusion about her or the illusion of love she could not conceal for very long.
if you feel love for luana, that is your choice, one i will not argue with. but, when Nu comes here and tells me that the stalking and bullying on luana's part is actually love I gotta wonder about him.
i have not shared the stuff about luana that disturbs me because i simply wish to disengage from her...not pull a power trip over her
what did i learn? to not forget to tell my new friends not to tell me their secrets
she talks about snitching and loyalty...which is such a fucking joke now that i know what she has said about her intimate friends in Australia and France. after getting close enough to know her, i will say she has no understanding of loyalty or friendship
AND WHEN IT COMES TO RUOW, SHE DOESN'T EVEN BELIEVE IN IT ANYMORE....THIS IS WHAT SHE HAS SAID TO ME AS SHE COMES HERE AND STALKS ME IN THE NAME OF RUOW. SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR HERSELF, WHY WOULD YOU RESPECT SOMEONE WHO HAS NO SELF-RESPECT....DID U CONFUSE PITY WITH LOVE AS WELL RAE? -
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Re: response from rae
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:26 PMHi Rae and Nu....Thanks
If not for me to hate these people would soon fall into infighting amongst themselfs, im just the one they all love to hate.....like Goldburg in the book 1984....i give them someone to jeer at so they dont go crazy and start eating each other.
And Andora is kinda right when she says i have moved on from ruow, even if i can quote about everything those books have to say....
RUOW is not the end of the line, in fact it is only the beginning....
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racial hatred is Luana's special kind of hate
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:44 PMwell Obama is signing the Hate Crimes Law into force right now
I guess this puts White Supremicists on notice! They have been swelling in their ranks thanks in part to people like you luana
I know how much hatred you put into the white supremicist you live with because i heard it first hand....
your blaming rage is far from love
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Re: racial hatred is Luana's special kind of hate
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:57 PMOMG !!!!!
OMG !!!!
So you are down with the devil's agenda to end free speech and the first amendment ???....You are down with the hate crime bill????? you dont even know anything about it and just how hiddiously evil it is....YOU ARE ONE OF THEM, those who want to further the orwellian 1984 agenda AND STRIP PEOPLE OF THEIR RIGHTS TO FREE SPEECH....
RACIAL HATRED ???? Leave it to you to sick the devil on Mother in this way.....
YOU ARE EVIL EVIL EVIL AND YOU ARE A ENEMY TO EVERYTHING MOTHER EVER STOOD FOR
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Re: response from rae
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 2:21 PMLuana
what did Kuria, from Kenya ever do to you?
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Re: response from rae
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:32 PMLuana,
As if you didn't deliberately put yourself into this role to be hated or attacked back? In your next incarnation general George Patton would make a great husband, lover, business partner for you.
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Re: response from rae
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:42 PMYes, Andora, it would be good of you to warn the people that you are a nit picking, snitch, who also has a blackmail imprint, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, that you are a 10 year reader, stuck in a very annoying and clueless stage.....BEFORE you call them up and gather info on them , so you can come here and threaten to bust them out with it publicly when they deceide not to come to maui and plant a garden for you........
lots of OLD timers have more goodies on me than you do, but you dont see them here threatening to fuck me up if i dont throw all my shit in a dumpster, and dump my boyfriend so i can come out to their place and plant a a garden for them, save them from alcoholism, and run interfearance with all the people who want to kill them.....like you did
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Re: response from rae
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 2:11 PMAndora,
You said something in another thread a while back about people projecting their own way of relating to their Wills onto others being a problem or snag people often hit in interacting here.
Could it conceivably be that you are doing this to Luana and this is really the cause of your gap--the thorn in the tiger's paw so to speak?
After getting directly and intimately involved and processing EXTENSIVELY about this, this is the conclusion I have come to, and I now feel like I may understand--or i may be projecting my own feelings in to it--Luana's response to this and although I don't always agree with the way she expresses herself, and sometimes wish to take issue with her, I am here to witness her as an awesomely loivng person for perservering on her own behalf when no one else could or would understand her heart's intent... just as she has always done. (I may regret saying this tomorrow, but so be it.)
", it wasn't good enough for her to simply move back from our love and get on with her life, she has made a point of stalking me here. "
I don't think she is "stalking" you. I htink she is standing her own ground. you went into judgment of her Andora and then were proceeding to allude to what you were judging against whilst setting yourself up as a strong, somewhat dominating presence on this tribe. by doing so, you set it up for a battle for supremacy where one must slink away in disgrace. neither of you is willing to be the one... i do not blame luana in the least for not wanting to any more than i blame you. however i think you simply need to let go of the notion that you understand luana's process.
"Nathan wanted me to leave as a way of manipulating the bully"
no, i didn't not want you to leave to manipulate, nor to "slink away in shame" as you put it in another thread.... nor to be "better somehow" this is a complete misunderstanding and misinterpretation of my meaning on your part, and its completely and totally dishonoring of me every time you speak this way... i advised you to turn the other cheek, and i still think you would still do well to learn the true meaning of that.... i feel you judged against my understanding and took shots at me too when i came out with it publically. i knew or sensed this would happen which is why i hoped or prefrerred to work through it private, but you slammed me out quite abruptly here... this was my first clue to what you are really doing... you have not been willing to listen to my input or anyone's outside of your own.. what you have done instead is to try to destroy what is being refelcted to you through luana and anyone else who disagrees with you. i agree with rae that you are seeing your own participation through rose-colored glasses..., you appear to me quite ruthless... i think that's very accurate and also you seem like a very obtuse person to me now.
I understand now why you could not recieve my input of turning the other cheek, not allowing yourself to get mixed up with the bad light in luana's "bullying' of you...and the understanding that witnessing one another's truth has the power to protect against "bullying" by this light, and, why you did not feel protected by my love....i think it is becuase you do know at some level what you are doing here and realize your responsibility and you are not protected by honoring of Truth, becauseyou are not completely truthful... If you were, this would balance on its own, but as i see it, it will only continue on and on this way.
I am in accord with the things that both Rae and Nu have said here. I think you both appear to be fairly clear-headed about this... perhaps cause you are not as involved. I appreciate your comment Rae especially "That does not mean I think we should be attacked and take abuse but I do wish we could find a way to move what needs to move so that this whole situation can evolve."
My sentiments exactly....
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Re: Langoliers among us
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:19 PMtwo things:
Love, real love, contains many things in it that the traditional definition excludes. Blame. Rage. Cruelty. Many have imposed that type of stuff on loved ones/out of love - parts of love that need healing. I remember when I became aware that even LOVE, magical splendid LOVE also needs healing and evolution I was chagrined. That was some time ago and I now see love with straight eyes.
Thus, I feel a rigid definition of what is love can hurt anybody in the lonjg run, but especially those who do the RUoW dance.
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Re: Langoliers among us
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:49 PMDear, another underprocessed Xyloid
You hardly say anything of any real value here. just little, short, cryptic, blurbs....most of us dont even know if you are a man or woman, or how much you have read those books....who do you think you are to have the power to kick anybody off this site? -
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Re: Langoliers among us
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 12:57 PM"...who do you think you are to have the power to kick anybody off this site?..". A mere Member, a mere Voice, that's 'who'
"..I am just starting to become involved with some info that makes ruow look like kid stuff....which it is. "
She has to keep mounting denial statements to keep up with the Righteousness leaving this Plane. Not ready to let her go, be free?
Kid stuff: the most difficult yet necessary (stuff that humans) have ever faced...And she can't tread harmoniously here.
It's about 3 and 3 as it stands.
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Re: Langoliers among us
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 1:03 PMSo here is the dupe of the isrealie agenda here to finger Mother as a racist.....
Oh yeah, you got obonga the socialist devil on your side now.
Go help your bosses and your president nuke the palistinian people with some depleeted uranium and fuck one of those evil torra heads on your way off Earth.
See ya, wouldnt wanna be ya.
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Re: Langoliers among us
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 1:06 PMYes Scott.....ruow relitive kid stuff compared to the new stuff God has dropped on some of Our heads
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Re: Langoliers among us
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 2:24 PMNu
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:28 PMYes, I do - all of it that will move. I'd say the first five years were awkward, but nowadays it generally flows quicker and moves more thoroughly - less residual, I mean. The stuff that won't move spontaneously or as soon as I can return to it requires more technique and can even take months to really get going if it's old and deep or stratified. -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 6:57 PMThat's good to hear, you have earnest intent to heal with this Ruow pathway. I didn't get that impression from our past communique. Sorry Nu, I should have messaged you privately on this note.
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Re: Langoliers among us
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 2:10 PMdarling Nu,
would you like a video of my emotional movements?
why would i come here and need to qualify whether or not i am moving emotion? I came to share my life, not defend myself from unfounded attacks by hypocrisy. I do not love hypocrisy, I do not love liars....i don't lie in the name of love...i have not become that twisted in the name of ruow. yess, my dear i definitely remember the little bookies and i especially remember the confusing aspect of FALSE WILL.
false will is willing to compromise anything in the name of love, which is really righteous indignation calling itself love....this is why we are full of hypocrites pushing ruow down the throats of Rainbow Spirits here. As a Rainbow Spirit, I will tell you that I can FEEL love and what luana is doing here is defending her low-down ways behind ruow propaganda. she is a lost soul. when she tells the truth to the people she claims to love, then she may get some relief and stop swatting at love.
anyway Nu, I can appreciate your sincere desire to love all
I'm not that evolved i guess :]
even so, I will not, and cannot say i hate luana, but i can definitely tell you i hate what she is doing and i naturally do not intend to love that which hates itself, if she does not hate herself, why would she put her Will in such a dire predicament day after day?
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 2:52 PMyour assessment of me is made from witnessing me under attack by self-abased hypocrisy that believes in speaking lies in the name of love. In this, you have done her no favors, except to attempt to allow her projections of me to be validated by one who comes here - not to share of herself, but to defend a hypocrite who lies at Will.
I HAVE SIMPLY DONE WHAT THE DAUGHTER SHOULD HAVE DONE PRIOR TO THE ESSENCE LIFTING UP OUT OF THE MOTHER. I GAVE HER A CHANCE TO REMOVE HERSELF FROM THAT WHICH IS KILLING HER, BECAUSE I HAD A LOT TO OFFER HER AND I AUTOMATICALLY CARED FOR HER THERE. But, she wishes to mischaracterize what i was offering, why? because she cannot stand the idea of living with someone who insists upon honesty as a qualifier. I didn't ask for anything else from her. I am way consistent in my personal life about this issue, one could say I have become a zealot. I guess you are still capable of opening space for those who lie to you, me? i have too much self-love to do so. Personally, i thought removing herself from the confines that convince her she must lie in order to have love would make a huge difference in her health and well-being. and then i get you and Nu suggesting i do not love the mother. I don't see either of you offering to help her out. so fuck off with all the high and mighty bullshit you are shoving down my throat in the name of love!
i know who i am and auX makes more sense to me here than you or Nu. I feel for auX, because i have been targeted by scum calling itself mother. As a mother, I will tell those here that i do not HAVE to force my children into honesty....i simply model such.
HERE, you are definitely showing yourself as one "above the frey" (as Nu is doing) who has taken the time to educate us, who are in the frey, about ourselves. it's just a CHEAP SHOT
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:19 PM“only the biggest denial spirit will use your own denials against you”
Did you even read my post below?
I never said anything about you having hate toward Mother…but you sure seem to react around that one….so maybe you need to look at yourself and stop blaming others for your problems.
Right now I have little interest in communicating with you. You just turn everything around to your own personal agenda (PanGasm) and ignore what you do not want to look at in yourself. Then when someone makes you mad you go into psychobabble mode.
Plus you are a rather cruel woman.
I vote we boot YOU from this forum!!!!!
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Re: REMOVAL OF LUANA
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 1:11 PMDear underprocessed Xyloid....
YOU should probly leave than....maybe use the time you spend here to like READ THE BOOKS ....
or at least finish them...
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Re: REMOVAL OF LUANA
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 1:27 PM"So here is the dupe of the isrealie agenda here to finger Mother as a racist...." WHY are you using the ploy of continually DEFINING 'the will' with all these judgements, interpretations at-the-speed-of-hatred? WHY can't you see the part of her that's moving here
WHAT is movement in such repetition?
This is your (moving) sister. (Knock it off!)
-unlike you:
"..I AM MORE TRUE RONALOKA THAN THOSE COMPLACENT SO CALLED BLACK MEN EVER THOUGHT ABOUT BEING. "
WHY don't you act so?
You DO act their terirble self-hatred
But you're not Even talking about Gold', but those who camped/got camped with them (?)-ah yes, the sweet English language can say two things with ill intent at once-in cases like yours. You DO mean real black men...O! I forget you're triggered or MAD at whatever Andora's bringing up. O! THEN you can say ANYthing and hey, knock yourself out
from a forum
SURE you passed RU school alright?
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Re: REMOVAL OF LUANA
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:37 PMHi Aux,
I obviously share your feelings, but I would vote No to banning Luana.
Here's why....
If consensus does not get it, THAT is the problem.
If consensus did get it, she would be vibed away or would face stuff in herself.
If we were in a room together, working through stuff and one person was making it hard for us to move, was threatening, whatever, then I would be open to tossing someone out. But here on the internet it seems more important that on some level some people can't feel the problem. And some can't.
People come with their mental ideas about what we should be moving without ever suggesting to her that she needs to be moving something. They are the problem, almost more than her.
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Re: REMOVAL OF LUANA
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:43 PMRae said
'She is just being spontaneous even in her fucked-up-ness.'
There is a difference between habit and spontanaeity. I see a lot of habit. The same tired responses to any disagreement - I have done it longer - threats, curses - I don't mean swear words - and unfaced, unexpressed fear of confusion and fear. It can seem spontaneous to run to fridge and gorge yourself on carbs when something triggers fear, but it ain't. And how long has she been running to the same fridge and grabbing the same exact carbs?
Notice that I said in another post I would vote against banning her.
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 5:51 PMW.L.-
My bad. I'd thought you were making a genuine inquiry and was puzzled by it but I've read your message from the mailbox junk and realize you're poking me in anger or drunk and poking me in anger. Go poke yourself, big boy.
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:28 PMNu, Mother has contacted me today and told me that because of the danger that is circleing around me here and the political climate that has "changed," reciently, that i am no longer obligated to say anything here ....She thanked me for my efforts and told me that She, threw me, has learned what She needed to know about the imprinting, and, healing potentual, of alcoholics......I have been advised by those who watch this forum but do not post that there is one here who is planning my murder, one who does not have much personal power, but, does have the power threw her affiliations with the devil to get me killed.
Remember, Andora called the FBI on some guy and snitched him off for haveing "illeagle guns" ....And in the back of her book the last thing she does is to glorify the new world order and its plot to inlslave eveybody on Earth, kill them and turn Earth into a "technological paradise," .... Mother has finally found the parental part of the lilleth aspect of purple daughter, who threw her refusal to FULLY educate herself and also her imprinted agenda to kill Mother, is even now plotting to denounce Mother into lucifers hands....Lillith has walked right into the trap and God has been shown the evil that is still running threw her.
You and i are privy to Mother's secret forum...what say we go there and help her figure out what exactly to do to protect ourselfs from these who are in league with lucifer and his stooges, the ancient ones.
Thank You for knowing who Mother is....
Your sweet upon Her has done much to save Her and has not gone unnoticed by Our Father.
Please remember that this guy WL is not a normal woman and child loveing man....if you know what i mean
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:38 PMI have been advised that this guy WL is not voting to bann me because he wants to give me enough rope to hang myself so that someone who he is in cahoots with can snitch Mother off to the ADL.....WL does not love woman and children, he loves men.
Im about done here, i have compleeted what i came here to do and now the cat is out of the bag for the old timers who read this but do not post....There are those who plot to murder Mother...and, now We know what essence is still involved here.
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:40 PMNu, beware of homosexual, drunk guys, who want to poke you : )
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:45 PMSCOTT, YOU ARE ONE OF THE DRUNK POSTERS WHO INFECT REAL PROCESS, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT....
PEOPLE WHO HIT THE SAUCE ARE IN LEAGUE WITH SATAN AND ARE CHANNELING HIM OR LUCIFER, SOMETIMES BOTH.
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 10:42 PM"SCOTT, YOU ARE ONE OF THE.." It's not true, people; I discreetly inform of my 'state' as I go if I must
it's there for the record (but not for some heartless)-
RIGHT Luana? Such as you is WHY I've had to leak stuff, isn't it? But I get the return: you have no integrity/don't know what you're doing in these places. 'Sorry' but no one has to handle hatred/clogged Emotion that's over their heads in any given setting. You're spraying it, that's why this is happening.
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Whatever I'm in 'league with' you don't know anything about it, as given; what you 'know' is by GAP sweetheart. Look at THAT. You don't love or support ME; you never did and you never tried etc. Certainly never said anything but as little-girl stuff again.
are you triggered or what? Think any of your 'chaos' will stop the evolving truth coming on?
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 11:58 PM
LUANO is not a person I would have in my personal life, ever,
nor my personal home, ever,
nor anywhere near me, ever,
she is what she is,
a rage polarized denial spirit, full of hatred,
I am more astounded at folks that say she has a right to be here,
why,
do you think a person who comes here viciously attacking anybody who is not in her hate club,
why is this practicing right use of will,
for me that is almost the more important question?
auX
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 11:55 PMLuana....Removal Hey......
Banished once again......
Have to get rid of that which disturbs.... happened once why shouldn't it happen again with that mouth of yours??
These times haven't changed...well not YET anyway.....
Quite honestly I Hate you and love you
It would be a shame to see you go.....
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 11:26 AMScott, I think understand your perspective on Luana, and I do respect you and honor your effort to bring forward your own truth around what is considered dark/nightmare but I do not follow you 100%.
What you said:
“Langoliers be guilt, maybe Lost Will in a sense (of course heartless, 'evil' and out of control-as in mixed with Earth-imprinting itSELF). Well, they're EVERYTHING fucked up and dark-THAT totality. They're like the Balls thrown to Earth long ago, yes?”
This is a soar spot for me….the whole “dark vs light” and “evil vs good” I always get annoyed when people use this terminology because its filled with old world misunderstandings. Saying evil is mixed with earth imprinting may be true, but I do not believe we should turn our backs on this essence and exclude it because it took in unloving light in places.
Andora this place is far from safe. It’s not even a place where we as members can reach alignment, so I see this more as the space on the edge rather than the safe zone. I do not pitty Luana, obviously she does not need anyone’s pitty. I am just not willing to blame her for my triggers. You have every right to do what your own Will needs and if that means moving back from someone you feel is not loving toward you, then do it. I would never ask anyone to hold back their hatred because I believe that feeling hate is not wrong and holding back from giving a true expression is.
I am sure you have been pushed around by liars and manipulators, I’m also sure you have been and even still are in some ways one of these liars and manipulators whom you are working so hard to expose. If not then why would you work so hard? Why not let them fail of their own accord? I mean if we are all doing our work on the inside these outer reflections of Self Hate should not be bothering us? Right?
You said in your other thread:
“I have only been at this forum for a short time....even so, it has felt like a very long time because of the burden that comes from being projected upon by those who wish to "teach people a lesson" by speaking down to them and berating their take upon their own process.”
Honestly Andora, from my unique heart you are exactly what you describe as your burden.
Anyone who disagrees with your unique perspective is either bombarded with post after post of you describing how it sucks to be them and how they are the problem. Which I do not feel is wrong, just that you are not being as honest as you claim to be. You are seeing your own involvement here through rose colored glassed. You are as much a part of the ugly way to approach a forum as you want to blame other members here for. Even Luana as ugly as you want to paint her now, you were right in your other message to me about how alike you are. I am sure you have issue with her not wanting to put everything out in public, because this is your issue too. For your own personal reasons (you say “your kids”) you have chosen to hide your face from us here in this forum and you admit to using a false name to write your book and as your handle here in this forum. Whatever your reasons you have a right to keep those “secrets”, but others are not afforded this same personal choice?
auX – I honor you in taking space to express your hatred here. I have no “beef” with that, I just don’t want to see us delete members of this tribe who are reflecting things that are uncomfortable for each of us to face. That does not mean I think we should be attacked and take abuse but I do wish we could find a way to move what needs to move so that this whole situation can evolve.
I mean this is not new…for this forum or for this issue as a whole. Like Her said above…this has already happened before with Luana being kicked out of the forum, but it did not solve anything for anyone because as long as there is a magnet pulling there will be a match draw in place.
From EarthSpell:
“Hatred for Mother has been killing her for a long time. Her patterns of being victimized were caused not only by my original ignorance of the unseen role of denial, but also by my initial bad intent toward the Will. My initial bad intent toward the Will manifested as Lucifer, who fragmented out of me a long ago and has not moved from that position since. Lucifer is held present by the Will’s self hatred which needs to move now. Hatred needs to move in the presence of strong intent to heal so that my light can come in rather than having Lucifer become more empowered than he already is. This is what Lucifer’s followers always say they are doing; very carefully allowing the Will to move so that negativity on Earth is not empowered. This is because they see the Will as negativity on Earth. They are controlling the Will for their own purposes. It is not just in how the Will moves; it is intent that makes a difference.”
I know nothing I say here is going to change anyone’s opinions or feelings. I am saying these things mostly for my own Will and as a part of my own process of being true to my own unique heart.
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:18 PMGreat reply Rae
You're not asking me to elucidate more on what I meant but as you add generality yourself with 'turning our backs on this essence or not', Luana's example is extreme and 'focussed'.. She's 'too far' with it and she's not backing it-this is seven years in some others' experiences-with MOVEMENT.
I doubt anyone is really 'turning their backs' though Aux is pretty firm. We're not supposed to 'let Lost Will' control us' either. Imagine what else can grow here. I have not aired that I'm meaning NOT facing Lost Will but whacked-out lost light, yea..It' a big mess everywhere. (But I've noticed it healing in places)
This forum, as you add the quote at the end of your post, CAN work and run by Intent; It's work and Luana has none herself. It's not educated into her or practiced or it's Lost etc.
OK, you sound or seem a tad hopeless all told. I have such too but not on this issue. In fact 'hope' has been attacked too by her. We attempt to discuss, share such here-and 'Intent', so, just weigh such sharing/discussions versus them NOT happening and why. This is mostly past the 'viciousness' of 'kicking someone off or turning one's back...Just LOOK, being sensible. She doesn't just express her 'hatred' and that's it. This whole imprinting-controlling-her pattern; LYING to us, USING us is SEVEN YEARS OLD. We GOT the message. 7 years saying my posts are shit etc. Am I a way of life for her so bad, then why doesn't she really go for it? Can't 'play' here..
If she wants to voice such lost light so badly, don't you think she needs a group's PERMISSIONS? Some are saying No. Use your own statement: "Why not let them fail of their own accord?"
"I mean if we are all doing our work on the inside these outer reflections of Self Hate should not be bothering us? Right?"
Exactly Rae, and some of us MAKE it so (to not bother us), ready that we moved it (moved it all we can in other cases)
sinc.,
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Thu, October 29, 2009 - 1:28 PM"auX – I honor you in taking space to express your hatred here. I have no “beef” with that, I just don’t want to see us delete members of this tribe who are reflecting things that are uncomfortable for each of us to face. That does not mean I think we should be attacked and take abuse but I do wish we could find a way to move what needs to move so that this whole situation can evolve."
rae,
I am not expressing hatred here, you are missing my point totally,
I am saying that I do not want to open space for hatred,
which is what luana is,
I personally have made efforts to mitigate luano's hatred,
and it is just not possible, the time is up,
I am done,
you also mentioned that her removal has happened before,
and here we are again after all this time with no forward movement
still she is here badgering anybody who has enough self-hated to allow her the space,
as for implying that luano is the mother and therefore being misunderstood,
my god,
that is such a lot of nonsense and so insulting to the mother.
I dont know how to even respond.
auX
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 6:28 AM"....so insulting to the Mother......"
the Hindu have a sacred Mother (among others) called Kali and Kali is no warm, fuzzy MommyHug type
I do not mean to disparage anything that you say, auX
because you raise some valid points and clearly feel passion for the Mother
but I wish to submit:
not all of the Mother is healed
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not all of the Mother fits into the images of Her that we hold
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letting go of images/expectations of Her that we do hold opens space to Her for healing and expansion that She needs
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 7:39 AM"...not all of the Mother fits into the images of Her that we hold
and
letting go of images/expectations of Her that we do hold opens space to Her for healing and expansion that She needs ..."
Bingo. And Mother is found only/from inside of us. Pls elucidate what any of this has to do with Luana and her in-question actions and behavior here. I submit she's stifling Mother all over the place. It's a habit of rage types. Sorry you haven't been listening (to me) and I realize further our separation (already there).
Or we can talk 'Will'-now there is even more difficult to engage about Luana. But: time's up.
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odo cicle qaa parmgi peripsax
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:04 AMwhen my morning comes around, no one else will be there so I won't have to worry about what I'm supposed to say - Iris DeMent
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:27 AMWell, OK, Nu 'thanks
You don't have merit right now about this case of Luana...
Would it-her extremely maligned crap-just all wash away...
Everyday we 'wash' and get her filth again?
Me, I 'worry' a tad, yea...like making sure my heart's in my throat first
or of desparation, or of hurting others, or of a semblance of balance
or that I'm with a group I can actually Talk with
or mixing up ethics and principles
pressures and intimidations
where to draw my line
Glad I said 'what I was supposed to' so I can enjoy
what you're meaning all the better and sooner
and for all
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:25 AMNu wrote
"odo cicle qaa parmgi peripsax"
a simple search shows it's Enoch-ian
might mean 'do what thou will shall be the whole of the law'
or this 1st half
"Of Honor; Move And Appear! " with the 2nd
"Vexed. In Itself. The Course Of Her"...'let it run with the Heavens".
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 1:59 PMNu, Dont you worrie your fat little head ....
I also contain ALL of the parts of your precious "Mother Love,and, ONLY Love"
The voice of "Mother FUCK YOU," ! That i have been asked to evolk to defend, "Mother,Love," here on this forum, is not the only "Voice of Mother," that i speek......I AM multi lingual there....
Given the amount of misunderstandings and lack of experiance of the fragmentation here on this forum, it is very approperate for Me to use the part of Mother's Voice that i am FORCED to use here, ask My Children and GrandChildren, and, the sick people,and, animals and plants, who i help....and the RUOW Friends that i have elsewhere.....What all i say here is NOT the only Voice of Mother that i speek, elsewhere....ever hear of WHOLENESS?
It would not be prudent of, "Mother of ONLY Love," to show Her Beautiful Face here in the midst of all of these People who SECRETLY hate Her.....If it were, I would be channeling Her instead of "Luana,"
"Mother of ONLY,Love," from Mother's Place, proved that on several forums where She was denied and abused...So I AM here to pave the way for Her feet to walk, when She recovers from the damage She recieved from being out in public, for that short time when We were all blessed by Her presents here on the net.
You know what else Nu ? You dont fucken Love, Me so drop the pretenses Please. Until You FULLY Love, "Mother's Rage and IDENTIFY with Her.....You ainte goen anywhere any way,
so can the fake ass "Love and understanding and campassion for "Luans," K ?
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 2:51 PMSame goes for You Rae, Mother see how you also are here,
putting on a display that feign how YOU have sooooo much mercy and compassion for what you are seeing as "Rage Mother's." plite....
Of course you are not really in agreement with Her, because You are still very busy projecting the voice of " Mother Love and ONLY Love," as You miss-interperate Her to varying degrees.
You do not Love Me/ The Voice of EVOLVED Mother's Rage.....
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:29 PMLuana I have oodles and oodles of work to do. I am working so hard every day to love my own Rage, and let me tell you sometimes that is not easy. My own Will's Rage reaches far and deep and would prefer to just slap the fuck out of most people she meets. This is not always the safest response so obviously I am a long way from caught up with Mothers EVOLVED Rage.
Still I love your Luana voice here, because it has helped me feel my own true feelings in many cases.
Even when my own true feelings do not seem very loving at the time.
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:25 PMHonestly auX I do see your point.
I just don't agree that booting Luana will fix the problem. Someone else will just take the place.
I am suggesting that we all look at ourselves and do our inner work.
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 5:00 PMI vote to kick Luana off....SERIOUSLY ! : )
There are some "hate speech," snitches here on this forum,
and in the long run it will probly save me from getting snitched off to the *** s who run the A.D.L.'s plan to end the first amendment. of the constitution.
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 5:52 PM"...You have a huge vested intrest and conflict of intrest to pretend to actually believe that wl, or, scott,
are anything but annoying drunks here on this stupid " ruow drunk's forum," ...." (Luana to Andora)
Now make sure you get the FEEL and real, true MEANing of what's she's saying here! SUREly she'd mean to help expose and thus, heal, whatever problem I might have UNDERNEATH the accusation-which of course is a wrong guess here- Now while that is of course cryptic psychobabble nonsense if it's just left hanging there-no takers-, don't you see the WASTE of the forum she's doing? Now, further:why THAT?! Well, this Path IS set free of some of us...(I've no idea why she doesn't just cont. to diss shamanism while at it)-so the forum is kind-of 'nothing'.
Now, is she really holding present these healing awarenesses as Mother always is? Or is it just pot-shots and shots in the dark controlled by unloving power SHE is responsible for SOMEwhere? Yet a few of you guys actually don't get it, that it IS non-life engendering imprinting she's tangled with deeply in word-usage, further strewn out here. Then another sucker to her 'ways' says it's hopeless. We haven't tried it yet: making this forum work. They JUDGED it was all repeated attack-stuff...But we didn't try it yet.
So Luana focusses on such as me-I've said, now I know she doesn't know what she's doing and yes, what else can she do but attack 'the man'? But that's Lost Will...That's not a human speaking. (duh). And yet there is disagreement over such among members. Total breakup: freeing the Path here and not reading the books well enough there, combining in a place 'we don't know' how to make the forum work.
Up through these cracks, 'she' raises! How far will she go-half of you gawk at unawares of what's wrong for HALF the forum. Lost Will hasn't even beGUN to 'stop drinking'...But to say a world-problem on individuals: sick, just sick. Half the forum HAS to get temporary controls in what Luana's doing anyway-when they get there.
Time's a-flying, brb
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"..and in the long run it (other's rages) will probly save me from getting snitched off to the *** s..."
Such 'mother': knows all about Protection, sheesh
I was 'protected' when i came here and I donated my own later. She mentions First Amendent long after Bush threw it away. But to conVERSE with her is like finding, waiting for, stalking her hole for it...She's not ready to discuss ANYthing
FLY by nighjs aWAY from here, change my life aga-ai-ai-ain....
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:57 PMIf You are writting to me, save your breath, i (just like everybody else) dont even bother to read your skitzed out mumbo jumbo,
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:57 PM"...If You are writting to me, save your breath, i (just like everybody else) dont even bother to read your skitzed out mumbo jumbo,
i just scan right on by your posts, i know lots of guys like you, if i wanna talk to one i go to the alcohol rehab hospital and volenteer some time..."
I'm getting a Bot to scan YOUR bots: how many times have you ignorantly, uncreatively, lazily, rudely, lying, conveniently~~imprintingly, abusing forums, kicked out of Godchannel SERIOUSLY (ie don't bother referencing, quoting or using that or ftm, ungroundedly defending the author's name of whom you don't even know anything about as concerns here), pain-giving, pain-seeking-for-ill-intent~~~~say the SAME OLD THINGS with NO RESPONSE, no WILL, no BRAIN, no Heart etc to it....And that Bot is going to vibrate you to god-knows-where (you used Mother/Earth to do it, create it). You have attempted to DUMP ALL YOUR RHETORIC PROBLEMS on me by some whacked-out ASSOCIATION as if using projection some twisted way
You NEEDed to be yourself (heart-will something) and weren't. You always ASSUMED I would love you in person UNDERNEATH your FALSENESS using words at internet. It's all healed by movement, all cleared; has always been available-and it NEVER HAPPENED with you. You did NOT know healings across ANY board-talk about dangerous- So, who'd invite you, huh? Your great and beloved Sisters?! How DARE you try to fool us about very beloved Sisters here!!! . Not that some of us couldn't SEE your real self anyway. Where you left and stomped our 'love' leaves me easily like what Aux is saying 'I would NEVER (harbor you etc)'....'the twain shall never meet'...necessary separation...We see why. Now about your right place...
I signed out from 'communing' your shit long ago and said so here. You challenged me (so easy for you, garnering 'victories of overpowerings) long ago and never fessed up until after a break, it all came out in your unhealed unmoving sick-ass rage. My 'challenges, grounded, etc: you always DENIED. Your RUoW never made the grade as concerns me here. Have a nice one luano
Go to it, Bot
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 11:10 PMWhat the hell is a bot?
Im haveing a jam here tonight, and, nobody here knows, my friends read your drunk ass posts to me,
they were amazed that anybody would talk to me that way, but, they all agree that you sound eather drunk or crazy.
This is a bluegrass/oldtimy/gospel/folk type jam, im playing fiddle guitar and percussion, and singing.....Iris Demint songs and, mary goutier and lucinda williams and jillian welch too
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 11:16 PMKICK LUANA"S ASS OFF !
SHE SUCKS !!!!
BOOOO !!
DOWN WITH LUANA !!
GIVE US BARABBIS!! KILL
THE WITCH !!!!
KILL HER !!!!!!!!!
BOIL HER IN OIL I SAY !!!!
SHOOT HER!!!!!
TORTURE HER !!!
MAKE HER PLAY BARRY MANTALO SONGS !!!!
BURN HER AT THE STAKE !!!
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Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:03 AM
WOW I couldnt agree more,
I hated the court in blue during pan,
and I hate it now,
double dealing, ridiculing nut job,
wow her billy has a big cock,
wow her billy left one prision for another,
and is too damaged to know the difference,
and I am sure all the rest in luano's court
of horrors dont know how cruel she is,
hey but this is halloween,
and luano can dress up as the mother on earth,
and scare the shit out of all of us,
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Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:15 AMI know..
Her saying 'crazy' is just what shouldn't be aired; a denial of overwhelm and personal power.
'Drunk-ass': stalled-out, righteous and very ugly power-tripping
Adding ANY outside 'help': with 'they all agree' cheating on herself (and them, ftm) .
These beautiful artists she plays: how can she say heartless and heart-gasps (underneath) in the same short post? Well, she just did. It reminds me of fire seas somehow.
Good fresh Air for Heart, seems the right contrast here.
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Sat, October 31, 2009 - 3:02 AMWHat the Hell do you want Luana.... Arent you tired?.......Get to the point
Go On spit it out ...all of it.... speak up though...Loud n clear, so we can all hear
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Sat, October 31, 2009 - 3:28 PM"What do you want Luana." ?
I would like for you all to know that i am past the "soul searching," part of this process and have accepted my part in redeeming what is mine to redeem......and, condeming the parts that are and always have been, evil........I am not here to hash and re-hash the Will's problems with God.....I have long sence worked that out YEARS AGO !!....i have another mission with MY part in this.....The people here are working on stuff that i was working on 10/13 years ago....I now contain INCREDABLE AMOUNTS OF KNOWLEDGE as partains to the history of this universe from the beginnings all the way to now.... NOBODY in the ruow process has amassed the amount of knowledge that i have amassed in this life time,
ALL i have ever done is study the history of religion, philosophy, blood lines, as well as ALL other aspects and theories, and, schools of knowledge of Earth's history, even the nostics, I have read the odosy and the illiad.... I have a photographic memorie...In other places i am well known for this....I have a doctor's degree in everything !
I no longer have peddy grievences with myself....
Some day, there will be another and MUCH larger, "nuremburg, trial."
Grand Father and Grand Mother will be there....I have chosen to charge myself to study to be one of the prosicutors of those who will be brought before this great tribunal....Justice WILL finally and at long last WILL be searved.....
In these ways, I am the Eyes, and, the Memorie of The Mother here, and, She depends upon me to have Her case ready, and, help Her in areas of fairness and justice.....Im the One who has studyed ," WHO DONE IT," ....and, when the time comes, i CAN and WILL, name names, and information on the blood lines that this evil has pasted down threw.....and where it went, and, what orders of "angels," have been involved here....and also NOT involved, due to their complacency and the intent that has backed their motives in not interviening, and, makeing moves to stop the horror. mayham, and, murder that has been "allowed," here on Earth.....for ALL of Earth's history.
So, If you guys dont like me.....that can only be good news to me....
For my job in the future, i NEED to be just the rage filled bitch that you all believe me to be.....
From my perspective, i am in lack of alot of rage that i will need for this defense of Earth's Children....
and, the restitution, and, salvation that i seek for them.
Oh but you do not want to see the other parts of me....
The part that is just as sweet and mercy filled as the rest of Our Mother's Light, that you claim to like so much.
Why do You think i am so infinately tite with Mother, from Mother's Place. ? ...
She Loves Me Dearly, She is aware of My role in the future of Earth and all residents of the past.
and I Love Her like I Love that little golden haired Grand Child who is sleeping over there on the couch.
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Sun, November 1, 2009 - 2:59 AMok you know your mission in the FUTURE,
so what are you doing to really help it evolve now???
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Hierarchy, Slavery and Seniority
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 11:38 AMthe whole conversation stinks
no one gets out unslimed
the gap
i don't feel like anyone needs to get better
and i don't feel as tho anyone needs to get punished
just remembering and taking responsibility is and has been punishment enough
i don't buy into the whole evil think...
evil is the word live spelled backwards - to me this means the individual has given up on life upon a very fundamental level - usually it has to do with the ugliness and infirmity of BODY
to hash and rehash the blame and shame of ORIGINAL ORIGINAL CAUSE is insane
if we could take the value judgments off of one another, we could simply witness the magnetics that brought a group such as this together. This is more compelling to me than all the bickering and posturing....really....i find it extraordinary that the voices here are showing up. plain and simple
i never came here for war or justice...i see justice happening everyday now that we have a false communication system to finally communicate within the gap - now with eyes everywhere the atrophy around us calling itself authority will get exposed and this is a hellish event = looking into the truth..
I am not here for any head hunting mission and do not wish to destroy those who are doing a good job of doing this to themselves - why bother. Even so, I will not call false character assassination love. i stand by this whether rae wants to demean my response or not....that should not be my problem - i don't need to win a popularity contest in order to contribute, i'm here bc my Will wishes to stay present and see and hear what is happening in this community.
nathan's assumptions about my motives are off mark. if one wishes to attack me, especially in word format...i can fence with the best of them...for what? i do not see the purpose of your tack here with me nathan and i have enough self-love to refuse entry to your hatred of me - or the make up attempts = just change your tone with me and i will be able to discuss issues with you....it is not about me....i have my rage with me and i am not in need of projecting this in order to breath! this does not mean i am out to get you - you and luana are holding some black magic about this whole blame and shame game that wants to lynch someone, anyone....i came along and you take it like a life and death struggle. i don't and i won't give this type of kindergarten type of projection any of my essence. so, change the topic - i am not it
i do have a personal ethic that prompts me to move my rage up and down with Spirit or Will, motivated to not sling it outwardly. i am not perfect in this ethic, however it has held my inner circle together in a loving light. i did not come here to fuel the flames of luana's Cali thang, i get much stimulation that i have converted into emotional movement and judgment release when i look into her mirror very deeply and find much of what i hate about myself there....to the point that i have had great results in my personal life especially within the situations that matter
my physical body and my physical surroundings are steeped in a soothing and safe recovery process - i am being loved in ways that make it uneccessary to fence with projected illusions of who i am
this does not mean that i don't also have rage against injustice, and what luana has been doing here with me is unfair and so paradoxical that i have been swimming in her toilet with her like some scene out of a roman gladiator demonstration complete with one group thumbs up and the other thumbs down. sorry fellow FORUM participants....it is not an illusion that i will allow to penetrate my heart in ways that further damage me. i swim by posts/comments that are delusional projections toward my voice. i do not wish to indulge in that illusion.
i am interested in getting to the pre-personal aspect of what has magnetized us together, rather than some illusionary re-enactment of the scene of the crime theatre being set here by luana....
to me, the resolution is about forgiveness and learning how to live with what i already have, not playing some tragedy psycho-drama that some attention whore has going on with this group...then to actually get accused of being that is unjust - i won't receive that and do not choose to generate FALSE WILL based upon anyone's false assumptions about my motives....so nathan, get over it....i will never see your love as enough for me to feel safe....you do not feel safe, why should i find harbor under that umbrella. if that is ruthlessness rae, then so be it, i am ruthless and have a deep aversion to dishonesty.
it is not a good time to be dishonest in one's personal life. if u are reading these words and you have not cleaned up your lying ways, then get ready for booahna's FALSE WILL court = if that is what you need in order to feel better about what happened in the past, then do it at someone else's expense....i won't swallow the blame or shame for anyone to get all high off of the "I'm right and you are wrong, kindergarten word game" i have been and, am entirely ready to get onto other issues that do inspire me to be present here. -
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Re: Hierarchy, Slavery and Seniority
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 12:09 PMEvery sentence in this post is a dangerous judgement and a lie....
If you read it that way, you can see where angina is REALY comming from.
In this way, pathological liers expose themselfs
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Re: KICK LUANA"S ASS OFF !
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 12:22 PMWell, its complicated to answer this, Her,
If i did you would be so terrified that you would hide under your bed for days.
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Re: KICK LUANA"S ASS OFF !
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 9:25 PMLook Babe,
I forgot to tell you that one of my pet peeves is when people like you ask LOADED, one sentance, questions,
that would take me 15 paragraphs to answer....
How bout i ask you the same question ?
Please dont talk to me any more i sooooo know your type..
.frags like you are everywhere, just laying in the cut, to trap me.
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" i advised you to turn the other cheek, and i still think you would still do well to learn the true meaning of that"
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 8:41 AMNathan,
i only have two cheeks
and your advise is not my responsibility either.... i recommend you take your own advice
as far as ruthless goes, i don't get why this is such a bad thing in regard to luana...it has taken me a very long while to come into a place of self-acceptance and to design a life i am happy to share...i do not need to be taught a lesson by you, rae or luana - i think it entirely appropriate that you take your own inventory and i will take mine..
then, we can share the results in an ammicable fashion that is not over-reaching into one another's space.
if you want the kid getting bullied to rise above such, then you are attacking the victim for getting attacked - in this you have completely given up on the bully taking responsibility
and i would like to drop the whole thing and get onto listening to you discuss yourself rather than your side-winding anger about being shut out by me! or don't you have a life to share?
i could wax all smart about what you are, or are not - as you did above about me - but, i am not here to demonize you or make you wrong for how you feel - at the same time, you should back off and try speaking about your own self. if you insist upon psycho-analyzing me...i will give it a go in regard to you....i have many insights about you Nathan, as a result of speaking to you and communicating in private, that i could take liberty with in "trying to figure you out" as you are hell bent on doing in regard to me....but, i don't see how that is my place. now, if you wish to keep stepping on my toes and "trying to figure me out", and judge me as you have above, then i will take the same liberty with you as a way of helping you to see how unproductive this tack you are taking is. not only that, it is a way of estranging yourself further from me. if that is what you want then knock yourself out, you won't like the results! -
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andora thinks i was born yesterday...?
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 4:23 PM
andoa,
Its not just about my 'sidewinding anger" about you "shutting me out". Though its not unconnected to that.... and OF COURSE, I have life to share, I have LOTS things at times I would like to share, IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT, but in the end, I don't feel comfortable sharing here and being made into a projection screen for all the hostilities flying every which way right now. Maybe that's your cup of tea, but it doesnt suit me... This is a war zone, and what I am doing here, i guess, is trying to effect some change in the way things are so it will be more to my liking.. to work towards striking some balance, some working agreement, which is based not on words, but on really what is a form of I llluminated emotional telepathy... which means working through what's blocking that telpepathy and therefore that agreement...for which any words being used are incendental and meaningless unless understood in those 'terms'...You and others here misunderstand me constantly and consistently and i am beginning to feel like its often somewhat deliberately... I am trying to look for how we can relate to one another here to do what just what you are describing.... directly come to terms with the magnetics that have drawn us together... BUT HOW can i do so when you and others sneeringly discared my input with these sorts of argument tactics? You think this is all just about my rage at being rejected and you want to make it about that, but that's deflecting the focus.
You are the one who first started in with the analysing of and projecting of ME in order to discard and dismiss what i was saying, which you didn't want to hear, almost from the getgo.
and as to your supposed "insights" into me...., which i already know from what i've heard are a lot of unloving judgments... and interactng with your 'idea' of me is what YOU are doing cause you don't have the receptivity to feel me to know where i'm really coming from here. You're nost unique in that! and that's not an "analysis" by the way. its a direct perception... i have the ability to know when i'm being recieved, and i have no doubt you've erected a whole elaborate construct regarding me and already left NO room for the real me at all.
I am not scared or intimidated by your interpretation of me or insights in to me. I am just frustrated by the blockage it presents to real communication... bring it on, i say... so we can work thorugh it! by all means, come right out with your "insights" about me. It might actually be educational for me to see what kind of unloving interpretations of me you're running and might help me to get more conscious about parts of me that are in judgment of myself that way...
Anyway, I don't really feel you are responding to much of the real content of my post here and I think you're sidestepping the issues by making threats and trying to intimidate me. It doesn't work. I stand by the real points I've made here.... that's your choice to ignore them and deflect the focus to my supposed "anger" at being "shut out". I've no need to push it. I am responding to what I feel is injustice... and giving my input on it. that's my right., and i was going to give you this input BEFORE you "shut me out".... which is really *why* you shut me out!
I wasn't expecting that. I was wide open to you and expected you to listen, but i guess I underestimated the fury of the gap here! And fuck yes.... It hurt.
Also, if you could, please try and keep me straight from other people. i am not accusing you of being an attention whore. i don't know who is, but whatever that's obviously their charge they're throwing around., and its besides the point.
neither am i attacking the victim. what i *am* doing, is throwing out the notion that you are the "victim" altogether. you're holding somethng over someone's head that is sensitive in a way that's an unloving judgment based on what i feel are your misunderstandings/projections... why you're doing so is anybody's guess and i can refrain from psychoanalysig the reasons, but as i see it, that's what it is, and i think your interpretation contains unlovingness and as luana puts it i feel quite aptly, "half-baked" misunderstandings. and sure its quite easy to make her look like the bully here... but that's a cop out!
it doesn't take a genius though to infer that its related to a gap that you and luana hit, and that that has TWO sides not just one, and is related to the very magnetics you speak of... that's my take. i mean, the fist time i talked to you on the phone it was all "luana this luana that" and you even said you channeled luana in your book... now you expect me to believe that it has nothing to do with something you met there that was just too painful for you to deal with and that you did't go into judgment of her somehow? COME ON ANDORA!
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Re: andora thinks i was born yesterday...?
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 4:38 PMI would like to know how you propose we get down to the magnetics of what draws us together? To me the perception of them is quite obvious just by watching the way people move in response to the polarizations.... I get plenty of insights into what it means, but that doesn't mean I know in advance how everything should play out... I just move in response to how I feel I can best help.... as best i can.
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Re: andora thinks i was born yesterday...?
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 4:57 PM"You and others here misunderstand me constantly and consistently and i am beginning to feel like its often somewhat deliberately."
i should say i FEEL misunderstood by you and others, and often get the feeling i am being misunderstood purposely by you, and others.
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Re: ...
Mon, November 2, 2009 - 11:09 PMHey coudl either of you, luana or andora, please show me the thread where andora first alluded to this sensitive informatoin about Luana's personal life and point it ou tot me?
i'd like to see it for myself
andora, you are claiming that you were pushed somehow into doing this by Luana.... can you show me what you mean by that?
in my own recent experience of you and how you operate. you laid traps for me in the north shore thread by being nice to me, then when i respond by wanting to move towards you and wrote to you, thinking maybe something had softened, you use that coming your way to trap me by putting out that barb for me to catch on, and then even said its your prerogative to force me out into the open! i think you are ruthless, vicous, treacherous and cunning. I see how you roll... you make up your rules or ethics of things, but it doesn't matter to you one bit how heartless they are! you are a queen of heartlessness!
you're laying traps for me here similarly by inventing an ethic in which you get to punish me for speaking my thruth by trapping me in your inerpretation of me. I looked back and I d on't even see in my post anything that could be construed as psychoanalysing you. Most of it is just giveing my own alternative perspective on Luana's behavior as well as trying to assert my meaning from you taking and twisting it to fit your interpretation. now your making up rules that say you get to trap me in that interpretation just for sharing my perspective. Fuck that! i do not accept! -
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Re: ...
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:14 AMdear Nathan,
as far as trying to figure out who is to "blame" for the gap, give it a rest....no one told you that you had to be the judge here. I don't have to defend myself for contributing to this forum WHATEVER COMES UP FOR ME!
if you wish to examine a gap try the one with you and scott
here is a very good quote from you that you could apply to your own gap here with scott:
"it doesn't take a genius though to infer that its related to a gap that you and luana hit, and that that has TWO sides not just one"
i have learned about my own gap sufficiently from what has transpired here in the past....today, well i have no interest in beating a dead horse :[
if you need to go after the water under my bridge....you will have to do it without my help
ok so, i am dodging issues you wish to discuss....i am over discussing luana...
let's talk about you Nathan, you are sincere and present for healing, she is not...
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Re: ...
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:23 AM"if you need to go after the water under my bridge....you will have to do it without my help "
no, i don't need to.... yeah, i suppose you're right it seems pretty much moot. (but i was somewhat curiuos as i never *did* see whatever the hell started this whole thing... all of a sudden it just WAS and I earnestly looked for it at the time
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Re: ...
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 11:25 AMmy undying love for those who are earnestly taking responsibility....you are one i respect in this regard
are u aware of the Intimidating Form in regard to geological earthchanges? are you aware that the Melt Water is actually threatening you?
do u have friends in Colorado?
i would recommend migrating..not because i am wanting to demean u in this, but because i care about you. There is a migration occurring and i have ruow friends in Colorado, if u are considering migrating from the place that, from your reports, seems like a doom slump. i sense that maybe the deep depression and fear that has kept you separate from intimacy is really your Will SENSING the geological truth of the place you inhabit. Since you are not heavily engaged with other's where you live, it may lend to you being encouraged to find a COMMUNITY that makes sense to your Will. this is my intuit, and i am not saying it is an accurate insight to your situation, i am trying to reveal the presence of some pretty big evidence about earthchanges. maybe your Will is hyper-aware of this threat, as you may not be....could possibly be part of the aggida that is making you feel STUCK? i do not say this as a put-down....i have been there....moved my kids out of harms way, even tho the place i left was not yet affected, my Will had a bad sense about it! i must trust that in regard to geological earthchanges and respond if i am invested in life. There are places in Colorado that are boom towns of highly educated artists. I am going there in the spring for some speaking engagements....and my grandbaby :} sang a song to her this morning....still smiling :}}
anyway nathan, i love you, even when we go into the gap....i am able to put principle before personality in a way that i do not hold a grudge.
nope...not in regard to you, a very sincere man who is doing his best to be a good man....i see this as the over-arching truth about you my friend.
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Re: ...
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 12:38 PMthanks andora,
those are very sweet, kind words...
i'm not aware of information about this place beiing vulnerable to earth changes...
i am very in to ideas about intentional communities, permaculture and such and feel very inclined in that direction now.
I am open to suggestions about migrating.... i mean if it feels right for me... i have had a recent development where i am at though and may have the chance to participate in something here that I feel is very worth while.... Met some people who planted some native prairie on their property not far away from where I am, but had to move to another state.... and anyway, to make a long story short I may be participating in something here that explores permaculture and use of the native eco-system here which has feels realy inspiring to me at a deep level... but some snags arose and things did not work out for me to move out there this month like i had planned...
anyway, i don't know about relocating or not as i had been very excited about this development, but like i said, i'm open to possibilities. i know no one in colorado. what leads you to believe that i am threatened here where i am at?
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Re: ...
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 3:38 PMsorry Nathan that it took me so long to get back to you here....
I was under the impression you were in the US Heartland near the Mississippi? I guess you are in prarie land
all the prarie land is ancient sea bed that is not rising as are the Rocky Mtn.s
they are getting squeezed by the pressure of the Pacific Plate and the earthquake triangulation from that indicates that the weak link in the geology of the Heartland is that it will be the place that gives into the pressure allowing the Gulf of Mexico to go all the way up to the Great Lakes. All of the flooding in that region for the past decade - coupled with the extreme wind storms - is a gentle way of urging those who want to live out of the region. Also Edgar Cayce predicted that this would occur and all of the studies i have been doing in relation to paleoclimatology and plate-tectonics is indicating that Cayce is accurate. The two weakest points in this tectonic movement is the MidWestern US and the Congo - one or both may submerge as they are ancient sea beds that have been deeply mined to be a swiss-cheese type of striation. There is imminent danger from drilling for oil in the Great Lakes because there are salt mines that have made caverns as big as cities under the lakes. if one of these is punctured the water will flow into those salt mines and begin to disolve the salt causing a domino i would not want to be anywhere near. when i read ruow and found out that this message was in alignment with Cayce's prediction I took it very seriously and have studied this on a weekly basis for a decade. i say this as a friendly warning, not as a threat.
anyway, i have ruow friends in Colorado that would be helpful....i could give you contacts. here? we have the highest forclosure rate in the Nation and even longtime residents are leaving....kind of like when i was here the first time in 1979 there was a United Airlines strike and at that time they had a monopoly on the islands and were able to shut business down overnight! anyway the economy here stinks bad! other than that, i love it here, even tho i am going mainland in the spring for a time - grandchild is pulling on my heart strings big time.
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Re: ...
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 6:24 PMAndora,
Thanks I appreciate your concern for me but I really have things I feel deeply and strongly about that i feel drawn to stay here for, which i've already mentioned. I don't know how I can leave when I feel that way.... \
I'd really appreciate if you would not judge or project that everyone is going to be affected in the place where I am at and that everyone needs to get out or die. Just worry about yourself, and I'll do the same. -
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Re: ...
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 11:47 AMIf Luana gets booted from this forum, I will personally find you mother haters, hunt you down and expose you for what you all are; a bunch of bitches and babies that can't own their shit, a bunch of toddlers that have to blame mommy every time they feel something they hate. You asses are projecting your denials all over Luana. This is such bullshit, I can't even believe it. I have lost any regard I may have had for anyone here who promotes booting Luana.
Why don't you all go move the self doubt that she is reflecting to you, hmm? I mean, it's so obvious and apparrent to me that you all feel threatened by her because she is reflecting your own self hatred to you. If you had intact self esteem and personal power, nothing she said could knock you off your center. You are exposing yourselves for whjat you are. Mother haters, deniers, frags, etc. -
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 3:56 PMYou go ahead Daisy and support Luana unconditionally. I remember when I started calling Luana " Uncle Frank " she wished to have my ass booted from this tribe.
You wanna talk about judgements here, you might want to have a look at the ones your projecting here?
You did a good job of removing Nathan as moderator here, now you have your private place to put Luana up on pedistal on Mothers Place or your private tribe.
What is the likelihood of anyone getting bootted from Ruow group as it stands now ? What did Luana do,to get herself bootted from Wolf Creek Faries and that was before my time here?
Nathan, Daisy will give anyone shit if their bad mouthing Luana, I don't feel its exclusive with Andora. In Daisy's eyes if anyone is getting shit or dumped on by Luana, they're deserving of it.
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Re: ...
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 4:14 PMw.l.
daisy never supported luana all that vocally until she and andora had their falling out.... as i see it she sort of distanced herself from Luana for the most part, so i wouldn't say her support is unconditional at all or at least that's not what i would consider unconditional to mean, its more like the opposite. -
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Re: ...N gossips
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:09 PM"...so i wouldn't say her support is unconditional at all or at least that's not what i would consider unconditional to mean, its more like the opposite...."
It's NORMAL to adjust when another person's presence here moves them to before OR after some falling out. You can't do RU' if you continue being neg. on women! How can you speak of the balance or not in ALL THE PICTURES of Daisy's move to embrace Luana, what love REALLY moved there; who are you to judge and gauge apparently, just to gossip??
Grow up son, gap.
What do YOU know of Daisy supporting Luana, christ, that could be a trillion years old and having its problems we'd like to close now. What have you to contribute, how your heart-role worms inbetween here?! Heart-role that demands wordlessness? You have to face the music-and we have dibs on what music plays here.
Where's YOU in these muddling mainstreamy meandering mediocre gossips, hmm?
ET CETERA!
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Re: ...N gossips
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 5:14 PM"...so i wouldn't say her support is unconditional at all or at least that's not what i would consider unconditional to mean, its more like the opposite...."
It's NORMAL to adjust when another person's presence here moves them to before OR after some falling out. You can't do RU' if you continue being neg. on women! How can you speak of the balance or not in ALL THE PICTURES of Daisy's move to embrace Luana, what love REALLY moved there; who are you to judge and gauge apparently, just to gossip??
'Unconditional, not unconditional' cripes...For using these big meanings for some power, fella, soon you'll be meeting this 'power' you really have about it...all.
Grow up son, gap.
What do YOU know of Daisy supporting Luana, christ, that could be a trillion years old and having its problems we'd like to close now. What have you to contribute, how your heart-role worms inbetween here?! Heart-role that demands wordlessness? You have to face the music-and we have dibs on what music plays here.
Where's YOU in these muddling mainstreamy meandering mediocre gossips, hmm?
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Re: ...N gossips
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:03 PMScott,
I am not being "neg. on women." i am being REAL with them. you choose to interpret this in as negative. I say your judgments are doing more harm than good. Who the hell asked YOU for your interpretation? I sure didn't, and I don't want it either. Its baloney. -
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Re: ...N gossips
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:13 PM'And you just don't get it'.
Andora said 'My Apologies Nathan' and y'know, it sounds so good, I wanna try it.
So what? You don't make a grade of RUoW with me and I battled you over it. There's still the real you, the real me. One never knows (about Path). I've trashed heart in, my life and there's been some echoes-and echoes attacked...Now I attain everything I need about making heart happen (process).
I'm not holding 'all this' over your head either. I cleanse, I move. Sometimes I may THINK you've been as unlovingness. So? And so I've Expressed-done. The Path is being let go, here and there..
Yea, 'apology to Nathan' WOULD be so cool, but all that can happen is any of us MAKING SPACE for Whatever TO be let go....a space so it can fall into the cracks in a right way..'''Forget about it', what we can. GOT to GO'''.like that.Calling it baloney is like starting shit all over again: labeling and judging what is falling into te cracks for ITS process-forgiveness and apologies yet to come often. Are you ready so as not to force it? But back to THIS Path and I say 'No, you haven't read the books deeply enough and you must someday own all that. Or whatever, all I've said all along you've called 'baloney' one way or another, so I've had to express back-as if you want ME to lead you to your Maker (which some say is your Thoughts). Y'know, whatever, just get off the mainstream! Or this forum's a waste. TO get off the mainstream, you have to actually do such Path. You keep insisting 'you' as you know it, is right and it doesn't notice it's mainstream. I'M reading the books outloud and over and over to you! F** that! There's some 'parental' in SOME places but jeez, grow up! Read a Book! Didn't he just say he read some more? Wow, and?
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:39 PMScott,
Thanks for this slight softening of stance. I truly appreciate...
I am sorry as well that i don't make a grade of RUoW, with you Scott, but I don't know what to tell you. I approve of my self, and I am doing the best I can. Its some very tough stuff I'm working on, can't you tell? No hill for a stepper. I'm sure its the same for you. I'm sorry its seems to be so inconceivable to you that I am a sincere and passionate practitioner of this path, but I wish you could cease and desist in dogging me, back off somewhat, and give me some space to express myself here unchallenged. Its making things all that much harder for me. Ever hear of suspending judgment?
Um, I don't think what andora said was meant as a sincere apology. Not that she has anything to apologize for in this thread. I did not think so in the least. Now in the other one, I do feel transgressed upon there.
And yes, perhaps sometimes you may be right in seeing me as perpetuating unlovingness (unfortunately). I may not have yet attained perfection in that regard, but I am always attempting to evolve my self here... I am sure your reflection is helping me to do this in some ways too. -
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Re: ...N gossips
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:52 PMOK, I hear ya (but I'm in the middle of another or ulterior, dump-was posting this below) ::::
So YEA I'm nagging you. Sound familiar-per the books-? There ain't NO WAY I can deny you are being negative on the WILL!!!!!!!!!!!! You BLEED such negativity on the Feminine! How much Compassion does it take to stand by for you to See it, to handle it? It's the MIND. What do YOU have anything to do with an organ (practically) being in the WAY of such Path?!!!???? Get over it! DO the Path or piss off! Do you have any iDEA how long I've hated and disdained the lazy on these matters?!!!
Where's the section for the majorly stuck here anyway?
So I seem to be in your way and yes, I have some role to clean up but HERE and for now that's for when we can talk. CAN you?
By the time you do, I'll probably be Wind...
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Re: ...N gossips
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:56 PMOk Scott,
I guess I breathed too soon...
Come on, You're so freaking spirit polarized here with your judgment of "negative" on the Will shit. What about MY Will? There's no ROOM for my evolution at all within the confines of that judgment.... not much room for any honesty either. I am not like you, but in other ways we are alike.
label me "stuck" all you want and make it pejorative as is your wont. I think you've gotten a little far ahead of yourself and forgotten any sense of humility at all. Become wind?
Wait til you get to the deeply ingrained futility of Original Cause. I'm thinkin' you've already gotten there and hit that wall and are running from the realization that you actually have to move through it too... I think you're just trying to escape noticing it at MY expense, and that's what's PISSING ME OFF.... I am working this, and I know It does not and will not happen overnight. You sound like your'e trying to make it into a race!
Its those who do not give up when they get there, but who perservere in the face of it, and work on it steadily who will actually get to the finish line.
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Re: ...N gossips
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 11:44 PMO man, 'you blew it', my nice plane of perfection 'cause you didn't digest this enough first-SO easy to do...I can't let be the particular denials you air, though 'sorry'. Ain't gonna happen.
'Stuck' it's said here, is 'no problem'. That's where I'm coming from.
Now where you 'DARE me' 'all over again' is stuff that's so far off the page it's as difficult to handle as Luana's split-part of self was. It's more comfortable for me to KNOW you are unloving and a langolier and ''all that' except it's NOT comfortable here at this forum. You're a menace-it's more real that way to understand until the next movement comes. Dares:
"I think you've gotten a little far ahead of yourself..." You're shit, Nathan. You cannot speak to me and haven't in months-since I showed up. You never figured it out-know why? 'Cause you already made to judge me. 'A judgement made can never bend'. You lazied out, you closed it out. You had no inner space to begin with, for any newcomers-a thing you share with Luana. Bad move to stick up for her today from where YOU are at. You'll see. In closing out what realities I was now....combined with going on speaking these ultra terms as if you KNEW THEM...big mistake. And nothing I forwarded or shouted would ever get to you-cry as you might at times.
'forgotten any sense of humility'...It's like arguing religion with you here, totally pre-school. Sorry man, there's a Stairway and that's that. Do you see THAT me at all? No, just the dark stuff-attempts-
"Wait til you get to the deeply ingrained futility of Original Cause" Devil must have his superiority. Pointless waste of comment. So you bleed, I mean, guess on:
"I'm thinkin' you've already gotten there and hit that wall and are running from the realization that you actually have to move through it too." Yea, 'thinking' by MIND. Actually your mind is targeting, seeking: all wrong type of targeting, seeking....My parental part just watches me handling it: letting all this shit breeze right through. Eventually the source puckers out. Not much example in pasts-especially at your rate of communication, but once another Student is there, it's empowered: the awareness of what 'you' are about here.again.. Then it's moreguesswork-still targeting, like seeking to win your no-win actuality.
There's more. You're honed right in at where you started in on me in the first place: MY changes of venue. MY changes in my life...That's how I know you're langolier, there being NO WAY for you to know...yet you 'read' such changes, adjustments, decisions-all MINE. WHAT am I talking about? 'I have to move through it'. YOU do not know. You only sense it. MY stuff. All gap and denials buddy is where you're 'looking',, honing, targeting, seeking. All denials of the books and what the books said about it: denying fears and converting rages. I tell you straight-up: you have nothing and WILL have nothing on me. No matter to you here. But I can ask the others to be ready to vote you out.
"I think you're just trying to escape noticing it at MY expense, and that's what's PISSING ME OFF.." You could mean the dumping. And you could be reversing the whole concept of Escaping. You DO know we're here to BOLSTER escapes, right? How is not starting the right use of such terms helpful? But what you MEAN here, ah,...we have NO common ground (moron). You'd rather diss the sources and not check them out cause you already think you know better. Can't argue with THAT. But I can say Goodbye.
Futility (where does tis come from?)...MY futility? What about it? Converting it using you?! O please. Anything to stray from the focus, I take it. MY futility, hmm. MY feelings of helplessness or shame before some woman, perhaps? Futility of WHAT?! Using this forum, WHAT are you POSSIBLY talkin about but fencing in the dark? Yes, I'm a window for you to look out from yourself: YOU escaping yourself b/c I have Light? Isn't that a brotherly thing, Twister? O the long list of why you avoid your OWN shit here. I won't bother. But what YOU mean by MY futility? You're a NUT CASE to even mention it, to even try and go there! Hey at least you're a guilt trip for my failures at futility, hmm? Denial spirit? Can't cleanse that history from the real you? MY whole range of futility ... guessed at here on a forum by a given nincompoop. Who mentioned it? What ground? Are you HERE at ALL? You have to go through ALL my process, ALL of where I'm at in moving futility and yet you yourself closed out common grounds here! Up YOURS!
Race? Non-comprendez. That's just your brain spew. And your 'finish line'. Wtf. Get YOUR angers straight from communication of self before you address me. CONstantly. I have nothing to do with your playing with your rage out here in some fantasy of calling it movement. Nothing.
So, in finishing, it was my 'heart' having various boosts-even like a sugar high boosted with caffeine or something. I almost cozied on up to you.
Heart dangling 'just for you' Nathan. BINgo. Zapp-po, 'know what I mean, people.
To NO AVAIL. Heart-silliness. You wrote what you prefer to be on top and direct it at another WAY out of your league-however humble I make it. You're not listening to me; you're not seeing what doors are shut here. The more you do these dark things, believe me, the Will will give its return to you. That 'ultra-slow stupid' woman thing is going to 'help you' meet your maker-she's finally going to get what you've been doing...Nice chatting with ya. Hard to say thanks amidst such dark but...Wow...grasping in the dark,...projecting such as futility as somebody else's issue you can Know Better about. Telling-and also desperate. Hey, you got the whole gap to continue your guessworks-pick n choose any ol issue, plus the books references. NObody but nobody is going to pin your fear of your fear-which is where you deem to play me even if it's 'not my prob' out here-where I'm at with it-have I gotten to this 'denial' or not; the whys, the whole shooting match...he wants to know while playing like he does meanwhile?...be expecting him 'tomorrow' people, him avoiding it, feeling all sorts of things to put words to...too fast for wholesomeness of course. MY fear...MY lack of Self...heh heh, what a waste of all what's been more real here. What a dirty twisted hardly noticeable-as-heartless 'fair game' player, that Nathan..
I've entered...the Langolier Zone...no greatness honored by some like Nathan.
Go Sink Down somewhere else now Nathan. Show some 'balance' and less Lucifill.
Anyway, it's not a 'judgement' already, your negativity on the Feminine. It's spewn all over this forum for over a year. It's plain as day. I dn't need to 'point it out'; I'm just doing what I can to stop it. And such is deemed to be thrown in my face. 'Easy to do' for some.
This also is quite telling: "There's no ROOM for my evolution at all within the confines of that judgment.... not much room for any honesty either"...Need I air that one out (Heart's rage at Parents)? I mean, I've been tempted dozens of times to be a puppetmaster to 'move one' but geez.... It's not about me giving you room. That's an unspoken surety. It's up to you what you do with it like has just been said (YOUR room). How many details are concerned, well, that's for you to be wising up about 'around here'. Or not. Look, you're not perceiving it, or something. It's 'just your way'. I'm no brute to your Discoveries here. Terror of being misunderstood? But LOOK AT YOUR POSTS sometime here. Alright: maybe you don't know what it is to be POSITIVE about women. Is it really being a brute to say that this would mean YOU ARE NOT MOVING? You can't even face it so why are you talking to ME? What's it going to be? 'Get another agenda' or get some facts straight of what Will (with responsibility, power, and emotion) and women are? Hint: they give LIFE. And you wanna bust ME about the same. Cute. Get in the same league then or acknowledge SOMEthing WITH me.. 'Will' is NOT spite. 'Will' here is not about bandying words and meanings at computer for them-women-not being perfect at it either.
Well, it's been a weird flight tonight...part of me has to be where I was, like letting this crap-part go; part of me returning to riding a heck of a nice Wave full of delicious gleams of future....
keep coming from the heart(s), thanks
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Re: ...N gossips
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 8:31 AMYep, you got it Nathan, I'm not perfect at Movement or Process. I'm not a fully vibrating Sphere like the Sun or Moon or as what God intended. But is that all there is to it?
You're right there with your separation and then rage about it, for nothing RUoW. I came here with some Offerings, is about all and since your Mainstream gap-ploy I had to fish around b/c I knew you were not moving/at least wrong: targeting, going past stuff. There is no example but for following closely one's Guru but at least I could use RUoW to tarry on here, if able.. You WERE a dictator, despot-style. You DID use rage for power play. You ARE all about separation-not as ANY group at a RUoW forum. The lazy way out. It is PURE devil-move You could EASILY be actual devil if you knew Informations like RUoW-even if people showed you didn't use all that in a right way. We were all stuck with it. Other men FREAKED at what this could mean about 'RUow' in the public sense. And you dared...'torture' any of us to crawl for whatever denial we had while we came here for other general reasons. Why? Why be a further devil to remind anyone else that the devil existed? Others 'read the books' about it!
You're all messed up and it's like you can't handle it but you have no gear apparently for carrying on whatever the problem. All of this. all of the above, not using (what has been known as) evil is one way about it. Gotta start somewhere-as do any of us.
To be aware that you haven't crossed planes where healers go, such as moving through HOW DIFFICULT Parents made life bit by bit is VERY TELLING when it comes to people like you. '''Wow, glad you're around, wow, was that movement difficult,''' Not once have you gone there in over a year-how? Why? B/c the evil dictates control you. B/c you haven't moved through there. As I've been saying, few do but you need Common Grounds secured to try and BUST somebody about HOW they've fared in the menatime. How many efforts of accessing these things of movement, of getting through pain, of getting REAL again. Then they're 'doing the best they can', having NOTHING to do with busting someone!!!!
So you become the gap in this desperation and wirey rage, you become an anti-bridge. Women skidaddle from such very very often. You CAN'T reverse it all and put it on someone else and then say you're about Moving and RU'-representing!
Now, the JUNCTURE where I was moving to my next level or not, personally...such as you and Luana showed up at it. I was 'all that' following my Guru but was having a problem. BAM, you and Luana were there meaning HERE-at the forum/internet!!! This doesn't mean anything life-engendering that a personal juncture is picked up on by strangers far away, let alone hurled and attacked and blistered. The only use is it reminding that the internet is a MACHINE. Did you have anything to offer about my flower curling 'at home'? No and we must not assume.
O no, rather it's all gap and mainstream and so, damaging to this path/forum. Not me, on the other hand, being stuck by you and Luana's positioning. I came with offerings, checking out the scene if it was for me or whatever. YOUR intents or circumstances coming on to the forum, I do not know. I DO know that you always happened to use the computer for such forums before I knew about them (excepting that first one). Why, btw? And why is this Intent not clear?
So...there it is, you represent major block-you ADD ON to blockage in general, being rage-messages, guilt, judgements, conversions and really, all the rest you possibly can. One proof you're overextended is that you don't acknowledge my original offerings-and 'time was up' about it!!! Each our Movements can be MORE than Universes apart! How DARE you?! (judge it, confound it, attack it of others-and fill in) You blocked off whether or not I would be of blockage here myself, 'see'...O, what we'd call them? Principles? It's like your whole self is horizontal instead of this or that part of you being so. Bad news. Get to 'lay around' anywhere that way-even as Mod means 'evil rules', see; empowering THAT...So, whatever my story or plight, that's something some of us have to fight
Healers, even if they don't make it to your 'awareness' that they're not Perfect, can still do major good; no reason to 'bust them'. Let's go.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 1:30 PMOh, So you're ganging up on me now...Cyber-bullying anyone?
Scott, I am a sincere practitioner of this path, and I feel I deserve better than this. If you want to talk sense and get some intent to see more than just *one* point of view here, and quit taking sides, in some desperate attempt to secure popularity and status, then perhaps we can have a conversation. Otherwise, its pointless, and I'm not going to continue this dialog. As I can see your only intent is to maneuver me into a position of having to take blame.... Seems to be a game folks here enjoy. Maybe your supposed softening was just a ruse?
anyway, i thought you said you are/were "cleansing" and not to be holding things over my head.
"clutch it like a cornerstone/otherwise it all comes down/terrified of being wrongultimatum prison cell/saturn ascends/comes round again/hang on or be/humbled again" -tool
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My Apologies Nathan
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 6:41 PMyour correct, i was on a whacked out florence nightengale kind of kick with the earthchanges as predicted by Edgar Cayce and THE RIGHT USE OF WILL :[ as well!
so, it is strange that you are so familiar with the SPECIFIC warnings of the right use of Will, yet choose to ignore this
but,
you are absolutely right...it is none of my business what your Will desires....I didn't realize you were connected so closely to what was going on there,
since we have been speaking, you consistently refer to your life there as HELL ON EARTH
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Re: My Apologies Nathan
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 8:58 PMHi andora,
I am not "choosing to ignore" anything.
And i never said anything about you being on any "whacked out". I just spoke of my own experience.
I would like to share more and exchange more on this subject, but I can see the newfound respect you had for me has gone right out the window. What gives? Does it not say later in the Red Book, "what happens now is up to you"? All I can do is keep working steadily on my emotional movement. If my Will does not draw me to another place at this time, what can I do? All I am asking is that you do not judge here! If you want to pray for me, then pray for me to manifest my desires!
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Re: My Apologies Nathan
Sun, November 15, 2009 - 10:17 AMI wasn't invested in you moving Nathan, it was simply a suggestion
sometimes i transfer my own desire for community upon other's
I have always longed to live in a community that speaks the language of ruow, but, after coming here and interacting these past months i can see how this is entirely unreasonable of me to continue to harbor this fantasy!
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I'm glad you are pleased with your life - happy i had a misunderstanding about what was going on with you
many times my kids call me up when they have pressing problems, but forget to call me when they get it resolved :{
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Re: My Apologies Nathan
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:34 AMOMG, how can your will's even allow any of you to read this bullshit, let alone post it? I cannot read ANYTHING that is said between Nathan, Andora, WL and Scott. All the lies and misunderstandings that you post here are completely unreadable, can't take it in, it's just wasting time and wasting breath and wasting of Spirit's words when he should just be moving. I don't see how any of you have time to move since all you do is sit in front of your computers all day every day writing this babble that doesn't mean anything. -
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Re: Daisy's Off
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 12:37 PM"OMG, how can your will's even allow any of you to read this bullshit, let alone post it? I cannot read ANYTHING that is said between Nathan, Andora, WL and Scott. All the lies and misunderstandings that you post here are completely unreadable, can't take it in, it's just wasting time and wasting breath and wasting of Spirit's words when he should just be moving. I don't see how any of you have time to move since all you do is sit in front of your computers all day every day writing this babble that doesn't mean anything."
Cause my spirit and will are aligned in places? Y'know, Daisy- that post is a bit much and you say it 'you don't see it'. If people wonder 'why' the forum keeps resorting back to certain levels, woomp: there it is. Lies inc..Go take RU' down somewhere else. You wanna give up, wtf?
Prob DRUNK too!
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Re: Daisy's Off
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 11:29 AMBabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabble...........I'm loving the sound of my own voice....babblebabblebabble.........I am so important......everything I have to say....babblebabble........is the most important....babble...and right....babblebabble....not to mention.....perfectly clear....babblebabble.................................................... -
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Re: Daisy's Off
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 2:44 PM"...so important/perfectly clear....babblebabble."
Well, yea 'sure hon'
Had to be there; of course when you drink, you're not, at least.
It's as you say elsewhere: intent makes the difference
Andora thinks you're ugly? Gee, I need to see more of you I guess (you're ugly? I never thought so)
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Re: Daisy's Off
Tue, November 17, 2009 - 6:25 PMI am ugly sometimes, and I am pretty sometimes, and sometimes I look like Sheila Na Gig and sometimes I look like Persephone and sometimes I look like Oscar the Grouch. My form changes constantly, reflecting my inner changes. I don't care what people think about me, how I look, what I do or say. The only thing that matters is what I think and feel about me.
Drunk? Yep! All the time, all day long, every day. Absynthe for breakfast, gin and K for lunch, and tequila for dinner with a wine chaser. Then, for bedtime, I hook up an IV so I can get my hooch while I sleep. I mean, really. Don't you? Doesn't everyone?
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Re: KICK LUANA"S ASS OFF !
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 9:31 AMWow AuX - You have some serious jealousy going here....ouch....run to that earth bed...RUN!!!!!!!! -
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KICK LUANA"S ASS OFF !
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 12:39 PM"lets just remove anyone who show's us what we hate in ourselves. Then we can have peace."
char,
obviously you have not read all the conversations about luana,
nor have you read what luana has said to others,
she belittles, ridicules and insults anybody she can,
she thinks she is very right use of will for being so free with her hatred,
which I might point out to you, never moves,
it only degrades others in the name of ruow,
so listen if you like being bashed and degraded by luano,
then do it privately and enjoy it,
since you seem to think it is so
kool,
as you seem to be very kool and with it too.
auX
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Re: KICK LUANA"S ASS OFF !
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 2:35 PMYeah, thats probly the part you are reading now, You are only as far as the orange book, ?
thats why you are all triggered up about the pan senerio? ....
Please do not believe that you know SHIT about ruow yet !
People who have not even finished the books is the REAL problem around here. They are often stuck in certain phases of this process that are highly volital.... I believe that if people can not answer some basic questions about the indigo book that they should not be allowed to join these ruow discussion groops.....It is just not fair to the old timers, thats why they seldom show up here.....People who have not even finished the books should be doing just that FINISHING READING THE BOOKS .....not spending all their time here with their half baked volitile reactions to "triggers."
Hey Aux, Where did the delphi temple people flea to? .....How did they get there?
Answer please
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Re: REMOVAL OF LUANA
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 9:29 AMOh I see how it goes around here:
"lets just remove anyone who show's us what we hate in ourselves. Then we can have peace."
What a bunch of bullshit!
