A realization of responsibility

topic posted Thu, June 11, 2009 - 10:34 PM by  Wonderious L...
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I've struggled with trying to understand this concept from pg 210 of the gr.book.

" It is a great responsibility to have realized that My Light has to move first or you cannot move" ?
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  • Re: A realization of responsibility

    Fri, June 12, 2009 - 10:10 PM
    Hi WL, don't you find it ironic that you titled your thread 'a realization of responsibility' then you seemingly surrendered your responsibility to seeking the answer to your question on the inner level by asking on the outer one?

    I have seen opinions offered on these sorts of direct questions before but usually after the individual has gone into some sort of detail as what his struggle entailed or he poses some sort of interesting question(s) concerning the passage. Otherwise it could possibly be viewed as a 'schoolhouse' question. The 'schoolhouse' is also in the RUOW material.

    In short I find it a lazy question, and felt irritated enough to respond to that, rather than your question.
    • Re: A realization of responsibility

      Fri, June 12, 2009 - 10:31 PM
      Actually Karolina

      I wasn't quite sure how to word the subject and was in a hasty mood when I said it.

      So are you saying, its self defeating for me to ask a question like this because I'll be absorbed or distracted with some other irrelavent issue and getting the answer givin to me, won't be beneficial for me in the long run? That may very well be true. Still I don't get it !

      I don't meditate, so my ability to listen within is hampered.

      I'm not exactly clear on what your implying with the " Schoolhouse " question.

      W.L.
      • Re: A realization of responsibility

        Sat, June 13, 2009 - 8:56 AM
        The schoolhouse remark was not a question, it was a remark.

        I did not say listen within or meditate. My answers usually result from feeling expression to understanding unfolding.

        If you are absorbed or distracted elsewhere then you have stopped 'struggling' with this passage and moved on and are then asking for a free answer to a question that others have expended considerable time and energy to resolve for themselves, therefore dear to them, and relatively meaningless to you.

        Lastly asking such questions such as that passage is like asking "what is opening space in a state of denial?'. There is primarily one answer and many forms. Which essentially renders the answer meanless without the questioner having done his necessary work to get it or be receptive to it.
        • Re: A realization of responsibility

          Sun, June 14, 2009 - 5:19 PM
          Well, Karolina

          Going on the inner way usually conveys to me of looking within and the form of doing so would be meditation.

          Its not meaningless to me and I'm still very interested in what the passage means. If you don't wish to provide it , okay.

          It could very well be, that asking a question like that is simular to asking "What is opening space in a state of denial "

          I get the undercurrent feeling your feeling very pissed off with having to explain your position or views to me here or is it something else that I've said here on RUoW Group in the last week or so?

          W.L.
          • Re: A realization of responsibility

            Mon, June 15, 2009 - 12:28 AM
            Hi WL:

            Actually you have not expressed a single other thing that pissed me off this week.

            All the things I expressed to you here on your thread originates from perceived carelessness in both the posing of this question and perceived dismissiveness of the concerns I have brought forward in response to this carelessness. Since you seem to have a fondness for close comparisons with the RUOW material, I would liken your posing of these questions, as a manifested spirit asking God for some Light to play with and then the manifested spirit leaving that ball of Light just lying around the Heavens when he got tired of playing with it.

            Although I could have expressed the same concerns over the identical way you have posed similar questions, say, at Mother's Place tribe. But since I don't belong to that tribe, I didn't care enough then.

            That is all I am going to say from my point of view on this matter unless you also say something from your own heart that I find interesting.

            K
            • Re: A realization of responsibility

              Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:05 AM
              Karolina

              I disagree with your perception that my asking of this this question is carelessness and resent the accusation of such.

              W.L.
              • Re: A realization of responsibility

                Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:35 AM
                Fine. I should not have continued this dialogue at the first by-pass point concerning 'the schoolhouse'. If you had gotten that reference you would have said so and responded to it.

                Resentment instead of gratitude and respect for what you have already received can be expected as soon as the first by-pass is not addressed. I am now not going past it. Do your stuff or don't do your stuff in order to get closer to what you want, I know longer care. Resent all you like, that won't get you anywhere near what you want with me.
                • Re: A realization of responsibility

                  Mon, June 15, 2009 - 10:22 AM
                  Karolina

                  Your referenced Schoolhouse' question as is with your response to my 1st. posting as is, looks like a question, rather than a remark to me.

                  W.L.
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                    Re: A realization of responsibility

                    Mon, June 15, 2009 - 10:26 AM
                    Question or remark is totally besides the point that you don't get that reference. And I am not moving past it. End of story
                    • Re: A realization of responsibility

                      Mon, June 15, 2009 - 1:41 PM
                      Well Karolina I see that you made the reference to the Schoolhouse thing being a remark not a question;Did you have the expectation that I should have asked you to elaborate on it?

                      You projected that my question here and the ones I presented from Mothers Place are done from a place of carelessness. So that would leave me to conclude that information disclosed from the books should not be presented here as the eyes of Lucifer may be watching.

                      So what in your mind are the approperiate questions to sought after here? This is an on-line open discussion site if you care to notice?
                      • Re: A realization of responsibility

                        Mon, June 15, 2009 - 1:45 PM
                        All I know is that its a two way streak. I can't move my stuff until the Gods move their stuff and vice versa. I don't know why it is great responsibility for me to observe that Spirit has to move first, which is why I asked the question ?

                        W.L.
                      • Re: A realization of responsibility

                        Mon, June 15, 2009 - 4:05 PM
                        Why the hell would I have that expectation? I meant the complete opposite. If you got the school house reference then we might have had a place to start a dialogue in regard to your question.

                        If Lucifer is watching what I share here on this site that is not my problem or my concern.

                        Yes, it is an open on-line discussion site. You asked a question and I gave my response to it that I wanted to give to it, If YOU care to notice.

                        Now I have to get ready for work.
                        • Re: A realization of responsibility

                          Mon, June 15, 2009 - 5:41 PM
                          Hi W.L.
                          One part is that we'd need to sense where one is in personal process;
                          the next part (when it comes to questioning a quote)
                          God's words are cryptic half the time in both protecting his stuff, the limitations of the English language
                          and other reasons we might air out in time.
                          Thirdly, it might take many readers a long time to unwind all his meanings, especially the quote you brought up.

                          In short, I have hardly any reply; it's all process then understanding which understandings are unfolding ones
                          or changing
                          Basically it's taking a place in his light which moves in real life mean/meant responsibility (even if the person may not recognize it)
                          That recognizing GOD'S light makes waves to the norm of always dealing with and handling bad light;
                          the bad light goes: 'who's making waves?'
                          Then one has to stay there wherever they are until God makes another move.
                          So God had made moves; what even are they?

                          (Why would people mantra it that I'M being so cryptic as a bad thing, see?. But let that slide for now)

                          S
                          • Re: A realization of responsibility

                            Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:29 PM
                            Well Scott

                            I know that Spirit has talked having to make concessations with the English language.I'm uncertain of the definition of cryptic. I need to look that one up.

                            I think that these books are very complex, because after one reads the first book, Spirit says in the second book, you may have read it, but you may have not understood it and then goes into these different analogies of what may seem like true understandings are in fact misunderstandings and so forth. Enough to make my head spin.

                            I just finished reading Earth Spell and coming across another familliar type question/statement is stated " Move your fear of having power and you will not be forced back into denial" . I do feel that this statement is easier to comprehend than the one I started this thread with.

                            I would agree that repeated readings of these books do bring different understandings and unfoldings things to light. The whole last chapter I have trouble distingushing if Spirit is calling the reader a denial spirit or angel or of being held accountable for having great responsibility for the way Creation has turned out (the mess of it). I guess it depends on who the reader is.


                            W.L.
                            • Re: A realization of responsibility

                              Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:53 PM
                              Yea, thank you
                              he goes right into talking to the spirit-polarity/angels 'through the reader',only a few words introducing what he's doing... having a bone to pick with 'em. It's rather a change of gear, huh?
                              (have a good night in general if that's applicable here)
                        • Re: A realization of responsibility

                          Mon, June 15, 2009 - 6:56 PM
                          Karolina

                          You still made the judgement that the questions that I ask are from a place of carelessness. Would you care to back up your reasoning to justify your position here, please?
                          • Re: A realization of responsibility

                            Mon, June 15, 2009 - 10:47 PM
                            W.L. I can not be any more clear as to my reasons for using the word careless in my previous posts here.

                            In my view, I have already taken my time and energy to clearly explain my reasons for this so I am not going to re-state them here. If that is not good enough for you, at this time, then it isn't.

                            I have also taken personal responsibility for going past the schoolhouse comment in order to explain my reasons, so if that is also not good enough for you, then it isn't.

                            You don't like the way I put things to you? too bad. You are the one asking the question here, not me.

                            • Re: A realization of responsibility

                              Tue, June 16, 2009 - 2:21 PM
                              Karolina

                              I don't see where you've attempted to back up your comment of carelessness?

                              I think your being exceptionally ridgid and withholding information to this effect, unless you expect me to be a fucking mind reader, which seems to be the case?
                              • Re: A realization of responsibility

                                Tue, June 16, 2009 - 3:18 PM
                                W.L. - "I've struggled with trying to understand this concept from"

                                yet you give no details as to what this struggle entailed, means careless to me.
                                • Re: A realization of responsibility

                                  Tue, June 16, 2009 - 5:27 PM
                                  Karolina-fair enough

                                  My issue is not being able to see why it is a great responsibility to realize that Spirit needs to move first. I don't know how else to describe it.

                                  But, I see that your influence is for me to figure this concept out individually, without seeking help from others.
                                  • Re: A realization of responsibility

                                    Wed, June 17, 2009 - 6:21 PM
                                    W.L -In my opinion, it is about personal responsibility for what you ask for. Asking, like everything pertaining to RUOW, is essentially a very personal process based on your unique personality and preference first. So that is where your question should originate.

                                    From my personal experience, an example can be found in the different places ‘morally’ my partner and I come from. For example, I am faithful to him because that is my personal preference about partnerships and marriage. He is faithful to me because, I quote, “To keep what I want.” end quote, meaning he stays faithful to keep out partnership, (because I would end it if he didn’t). Initially, I did not like his personal reason, I did not trust it, and I preferred he shared my reason with me. In other words, that stirred my power play, be me instead of thee. Later, after I moved my power play to understanding, I understood we don’t have to have the same reason to agree on an issue, just reason good enough where we’re different. So I could leave it alone and move on there.
                                    This point being that if I hadn’t noticed my dislike for his reason in the first place, I would not have gotten in touch with my power play there and missed an opportunity to heal my power play there and later with other people.
                                    This point being that my reason for God having to move first may mess with your own reason, and then possibly mess with your process of understanding of why God has to move first.

                                    I now have more freedom to share a fuller answer because you have made some kind of move and are better able to begin to ‘frame’ your question based on your self.
              • Re: A realization of responsibility

                Mon, June 15, 2009 - 5:48 PM
                Karo, i bet if i was a wagon burner, You would not tell WL that he hasent done anything to piss you off this week.

                Yeah, Im callen YOU a racist !
                I think you got a bone on for white annunaki hybreds like me.
                Look into it and you will find many berrys when the ponys loose their hair.
                • Re: A realization of responsibility

                  Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:39 AM
                  Luana I have not responded to you because you have proven yourself unable to learn or progress in the past, and that has obviously not changed.
                  You still talk like an immature adolescent bullyBoy with too many hormones saturating your brain.
                  I give you the same response now as I did then, movement to reclaim my denied essence, which I had thought was completed at the last reclamation, but now possibly not.

                  What you do with your part in it is not my problem.

                  I will not be responding to you here on this thread again because you have proven yourself to be a too high maintenance hypocrite, for my time and energy.
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                    Re: A realization of responsibility

                    Tue, June 16, 2009 - 3:14 PM
                    You post nothing as interesting and honest as i do, You seem all head and no LOVEING , EVOLVED, Will....and you are jealous of karismatic posters like Me.....
                    In the advanced circles of this process i am highly respected and greatly loved, but here in the kiddy pool with beginners who have yet to figure it out and move your jealousys out of the way, and, in that way, move your UNLOVEING judgements against other Mother Frags....well, what can anyone expect from rookies of this process,? Thats why MOST "old timmers," dont hang around here in the kiddy pool, case you didnt notice, they dont even try any more....You wouldnt know true spontainious response from a raw buffalo liver, at this point in your infintile stages....see ya when you are a few years down the line from where you are now.....I just came down here to the getto to throw the bums a dime, but, You have no where else to go, cause nobody wants to suffer the confuseing wrath of the rookies.....

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