It doesn't seem to me like there is a rift between people supporting Luana, or not. I don't think really[ any of the rifts are much about what they appear to be about or present themselves to be, but are really about other things instead. I don't think there is all that much honesty happening here, so its really hard to say what the rifts are about... just emotionally polarized charges, I guess. People might have different reasons for supporting luana as a presence here or not that they aren't admitting and that really have nothing to do with whether Luana is or isn't a "valid part of Mother"... or not. people might just support her or not or support anything or not depending on whether it suits their motives at that time whcih they're keeping to themselves about. for example daisy was coming out avidly in support of luana, but this is because she hates andora. she claims to truly love luana, but luana has been here a long time. why all of a sudden does daisy love her so much? if she did before she wasn't being all that vocal about it. why suddenly so vocal about it? cuase it suits her present motives...

why does anyone? hmm, that's a interesting question....

andora claims to hate luana cause she is a liar, but is she really a liar? well technically yes, she says lots of things that obviously are not literally true, and many that are blatant fabrications, but in saying them what is her intent? aftera all is it not intent that makes the difference? is it her intent to actually decieve others and prevent them from knowing the truth of things, or is she using these fabrications for another purpose OTHER than deception? is that other purpose part of why people hate her? hmm..., interesting question...

its obvious luana's intent in these fabrications is not to conceal the truth because she in fact is generally pretty honest about her motives... she doesn't use many pretenses,and if she does, she's even honest about that! i think her intent in fabricating things is to trigger people. for example saying that there's a group of old-timers who dissapprove of everyone here, but approve of her. that is supposed to trigger you into your denied emotions that don't approve of yourself for what you are doing. notice that it actually does bother you when she says such things, even though you know in our rational mind its probably a fabrication.... it still gets under your skin... right? so why does it ? and why does this make you hate her, rather than just dismiss her as rather silly?

cause you don't accept yourself, duh!

if you could notice that it bothers you even though you know it not to be true, that there's a group of "old-timers" who disapprove of this discussion (and even if there is WHO CARES!! right?) and allow this "bothered" feeling your conscious, loving acceptance, you'd get the understand of realizing you haven't approved of yourself in this part of you, have banished and condemned this part of you and held it outside of your love, and you would actually be able to come to appreciate the loving consciuosness with which luana does these things, but since that's NOT your intent, you choose to hate her for triggering you instead!

I say neither of their ethics is "right" or "wrong". each is just what it is. ruow is not a system of ethics! its a translation into english of something that is completely beyond language itself... of primordial experiences, that speak to universal truths and that speak to each individual in a unique way, that can't be gernalized about, but yet, all these unique experiences dovetail with one another in a very speciffic way which can be experience directly... this is called the form of Right Place. if you attempt to apply it as a system of ethics, even if you don't know what you are doing, then what you are doing is taking you further and further away from understanding which is unique to each moment and to the situations in which it is appropriate. if you were to do this process to completeion you would experience these universal experiences from your own perspective and understand them in this way directly, and you would cease in trying to apply ruow as a system of ethics, which it is not. the attempts to apply it as such, simply serve to obscure the electromagnetic patterns underlying the interactions as they take place here... we are God, or rather God is us, but to experience this as reality, we must become honest enough to actually directly percieve these patterns, called Impringts, and change them with intent... if we do not, and attempt to hide them from ourselves and participate in a group agreement to support these pretenses instead of the truth, then we cheat ourselves of healing. The Form of Right Place will come into being only when we realize ourselves through this honesty. Right Place is not a physical place! It is the form that will be given when everything falls into place, in other words when these unique experiences that we each are, finally discover the way we dovetail together with one another.