My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

topic posted Wed, November 11, 2009 - 8:29 PM by  Wonderious L...
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What is it that makes one successful with this complex healing pathway, to stay on track with consistent movement? Some of us work at jobs that are often exhausting or demanding, co-dependant relationships. Some of us and I really should be speaking just for myself can often at times be overwhelmed with what is required for actually making it. (Getting to that plane of no reversal)

Yes, I've heard it said " Where there's a will, there's a way "

Gee I think to myself does it serve me to read Earth Spell for the 4th time, Am I going to be triggered again like I was the first time? If not than just more same more deeply held understandings to be had. No I'll think i'll eat something sweet or greasy to take my mind off it for the time being. eventually the day goes by and nothing gets accomplished.

No, I can switch on the tv, the computer, play the addictive computer game that holds no facsination anymore, let the dishes & laundry pile up, watch the same dvd movie for the 11th time, sleep, feel a bit horny & mastubate, pick up the phone and haggle with an old friend, reminiscing of the usual conversation from the the last occasion.

Can one one keep it simple on a day to day basis, since excessive time is a luxury many of us don't have?

Staying focused, remembering to ask for giudance from Loving light.

Rememering to ask Spirit to fill me with His light. Asking Mother/Father God to help me to move what I can.

Robert-W.L.

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  • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

    Wed, November 11, 2009 - 8:50 PM
    Robert/W.L.,

    I hope you don't mind if I post in your thread.

    I think one of my favorite quotes in the books is "intent to heal will find the healing it seeks"...

    That's what comes up for me in response to your post here.

    I have all these same problems, and sometimes I feel like I hit a wall and I just need to just indulge and wallow in feeling shitty for a while.... and indulge in these sorts of things. Its hard to keep a constant vigil for the Will..., and sometimes it feels to me like I am getting nowhere.

    I guess its all about balance.

    its too bad we are so gapped and historically adversarial to each other, but I guess it seems you like it that way?

    Its really a pity from my perspective cause I often get the really strong feeling of wanting to help you, but at the same time I feel really wary of you cause I still sense in you blame that wants to make me responsible for your feelings and cause helping you would require making myself vulnerable to you... by saying I feel this way, I don't mean it as a statement that I think you aren't as good as me or less evolved or less advanced or any hierarchical sort of bullshit like that. I genuinely feel for you at times, and even think highly of you for having the courage to be you and occupy the p ostion you hold. I think you are just a bit lost. I've been there, and I'd still be there if I didn't accept someone's help.

    How come you never PM'd me with a personal anecdote? Couldn't you think of one? are you afraid I'm going to pick you apart???

    that's not my intention.

    so anyway, i wish we could somehow get past this adversarialness that has plagued us for so long and get down to the real business of healing here....

    • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

      Wed, November 11, 2009 - 8:54 PM
      ...

      anyway, maybe you are not interested in my help. maybe the very thought/idea of accepting my help causes you to feel utter disdain...

      if so, i guess that's okay to feel too. but i would hope its your intent to move this into healing within yourself. i don't want to be the recipient of your disdain...

      perhaps you feel at some level that this is what has been given you by me?

      or something?

      well believe me i know how it feels now, and i don't want you to have to live with or tolerate this cruel disdain anymore...
    • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

      Wed, November 11, 2009 - 9:51 PM
      Hey Nathan

      I don't mind you posting with that quote here and in fact i welcome such quotes from the books.

      I don't have any strong past ill feelings towards you, there are trust issus though. Ever since you responded to Semele about your reactions to the sex thread that transpired more than a year or two ago, I've been much more comfortable with your presence. I was so glad that you finally opened up to your experience from the original ' Touchy subject thread '

      As for trying to help me, you need to let me make own choices and reactions to things or events that come up. I don't want to hear you say again " Don't make me regret for sticking up for you " To me that kind of remark is a lot guilt and control with strings attached and that I don't need or want.
      • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

        Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:00 AM
        Hi W.L.

        That's not the kind of "help" I mean.... (helping you make choices).

        That's good to know you feel more comfortable with my presence here. I can understand the sensitive nature of these trust issues you speak of, and where you might have formed this impression, that I wish to help you make choices I "think" would be better for you... which would be not acceptable to your Will. That interaction was just me expressing my frustrations. I still have some amount of frustration, but I do not mean to control your choices here or manipulate you to any end. i simply wish to offer support. your choices are your own, and i anticipate them to evolve natrually, on their own.... and simply wish to offer whatever assistance i can through empathy I feel here, and drawing on my own experiences. My motives are somewhat selfish too cause i feel this would be inherently supportive for my own evolution as well... Its difficult to explain this without experiencing it, but perhaps this can give you some feeling for my intention.


  • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

    Thu, November 12, 2009 - 7:28 PM
    Hi WL

    just one quick thing on the time issue....

    I think the image that one must lie in bed for hours each day to get somewhere is bad light.

    I have felt very big shifts take place just from letting through something I haven't let through, even if it was just a few seconds.

    I can remember one job I had where I definitely could not yell, but walking behind a person once I let my body take the exact shape of my feelings. I let them fill my body.

    Later at home I moved it more in sound. But not for hours, for a minute or two before making dinner. It was the shift to letting somethign new in that was key.
    • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

      Sun, November 15, 2009 - 10:32 AM
      Thanks for the feedback , Worm.

      This is not related to what has been posted so far on this thread; If Spirit Father says we had consciousness, before we emerged into His Creation. Did I or we, Heart spirits have a conscious choice to emerge into creation when we did and as these Heart Spirits knowing before hand that we were going to manifest without a fully formed heart and thus have a troubled, painful exsistence from the very beginning?

      Louise L. Hay the author of the book ; " You can heal your life ", states that we choose our parents. If this is is true then it seems were going to have a good grasp on the reality that awaits us into physical manifestation.

      I feel I'm a Heart Spirit or a denied Heart Spirit and from reading the books, it seems to imply that we are bestowed with a great amount responsibility to make things right with Creation. Father God states that hatred must move off the Earth and the task for this affair lies with the Heart Spirits. I don't know how about anybody else feels with this, but it pisses me off to have Spirit Father say this task belongs to me or us.I guess in a sense if the Will polarity has to move the Lost Will of the White Light Spirits, then each order of spirits has its duty, task to help heal this mess of Creation.
      • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

        Sun, November 15, 2009 - 11:36 AM
        everyone has a different Orighinal Cause WL

        comparing your process with that of other's may be short-changing yourself

        one thing that came up for me as i was reading this post was the issue of judgment release

        there have been times that i felt nothing when releasing a judgment and then there were times when my body had a full kundalini rise from even just thinking about a judgment release. I do this everywhere and at any time i become aware of these. As far as having to stay in bed and beat the pillows - etc.... I had to remove myself once i became aware of how much denial i harbored in the beginning - became completely estranged and empoverished. i was unemployable, which contributed to the terror i felt. I was so very Will polarized that i couldn't even have a somewhat "normal" conversation. I had to write a book because i wanted to download all i learned from GOING THERE in the forest for year after year - making it impossible to simply relate to any normalcy. I am now just coming out of that stage and it lasted a whole decade....i don't have remorse, but i have gratitude that i still like myself on any level after such an extreme response from my Will! I have such deep levels of self-hatred that I had to remove myself from others cus all i could do was project it like projectile vomitting!

        this does not mean you should do as I do WL

        i have been living around a man that read the books twice and his method of moving lost Will and doing judgment release is very different than the way i do it. At first I thought he was in rejection of the process and I pushed and pulled upon him mercilessly. Even so, he had enough self-acceptance there to stay focused no matter what i said - focused upon his own truth and process.

        As a woman who WAS very Will polarized, I thought that everyone had the same type of backed-up lost Will that needed to process in the same way as mine did! Well, i feel strange today saying that men are different in many ways, and i have developed some love and trust for my dear friend's process, who is not, nor has he ever been a demonstrative personality. For him, it seems to shred his heart to go deeply into hatred of others and self....so, he is cross-circuiting his inner-world in the realm of numbers, and at the other extreme, in the realm of trance drumming. this is a way of moving his Will that keeps him healthy -- albeit for me to second guess his process. His love is real and felt by so many that it would be selfish and egotistical of me to insist he resolve his Lost Will in a different manner than he is moved to do so.

        Also, I did ruow work with a group of women for years, sometimes one or more of them would get competitive about bringing in lost Will and the processing would go into the realm of False Will trying to prove a point. this was more harmful than helpful and helped me to understand that Lost Will is keyed to situations and judgments. I can't just howl all day long as a way of proving i am a good ruow'er....it is possible to create even more False Will by pushing the Will to perform. having said that, it is really important for me to remember that I don't know shit about the Lost Will that I need to reconnect with until it comes back and informs me. so, projecting about what my Lost Will is about and then forcing this projection to find movement can be a strange trap. tricky business this right use of Will. can't fit it into all the usual places.

        aloha WL
        • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

          Sun, November 15, 2009 - 11:46 AM
          RU talk here. Andora was just saying in another thread that she CAN'T follow her dream of RU talking. Weird-now she/you posts moments before I am.. 'Leaving that to you WL

          Yea: it's for heart spirits SPECIFICALLY stopping moving and/or healing hatreds. Heart spirits have the 'hands-on' kind-of awareness for it. Born that way (and yes, with limitations of long ago; choosing the best they can)

          We all trust Father to do his part/responses as he's reminded a couple of times elsewheres in those books.
          thanks
          S
          • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

            Sun, November 15, 2009 - 1:50 PM
            imagine that scott, bemoaning a lack of ruow process, rather than ruow projection -- and the next moment - aha there it is, an opportunity to fulfill a long held desire :] i like it when that happens

            it is definitely all true
            and the push and pull between divergent points of view is constantly seeking harbor from extremes and the habit of this

            mahalo
            • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

              Sun, November 15, 2009 - 3:24 PM
              Thanks for your contribution here, Scott, Andora.

              Andora thanks for speaking about judgement release as it is so crucial to defining, mirroring the outer reflection we face in this universe. Me trying to effect effective judgement release is like me wishing I could become invisible. Its that fucking difficult.

              I don't know if comparing myself to others of spirits is really short changing myself. I'm simply examining the required tasks at hand to help heal Creation. I know that the Seraphims & Cherubiums are spoken of having the call to anchor in a certain aspect of Creation or the Godhead. I just get the impression that the Heart Spirits have more of a role to play to this end.

              Scott, thanks for aligning with me as a fellow Heart Spirit and our tasks at hand.

              My ability to find and effect an " I can win judgement " for my life has been much like a far off dream of over the hills and far away. Please direct me to the Shire?

              Knowing what ones responsibility is in this Creation, for me can be a diffcult thing to know, what it is and what it isn't ?


              One thing that came up for me today was the position/task of moving and directing my blaming rage/hatred at God, but at the same time, asking for the guidance of God loving light to guide me. I would think that if I want to be loving and congenial with someone or something I adore, being mad and angy at them too seems to contradict this intent. Letting go of the guilt to say what forms encompass acts of love and being okay with it takes some severe programming, attitude adjustment of what all it entails.
              " Hey God, Father Spirit I just fucking called you and screamed to let you know I hate you extensively " Next moment , Hey God can you fill me and guide my healing with your Loving Light ". If it were with anybody else to be this way, like an employer I'm sure i'd be disowned, fired or locked up for insanity.
              • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

                Mon, November 16, 2009 - 10:19 AM
                I was chuckling WL as I read the last part

                what you are describing helped me to understand that I was split to the core: LOVING THAT WHICH I WAS ACTIVELY HATING!

                funny story: as a 23 year Urantia Book reader, I raised my kids with prayer every time we ate together. of course the kids would pinch and giggle and all the things kids do when adults are trying to be serious about things they (kids and adults) do not understand- even so, this was our habit at mealtime. Shortly after getting into ruow, we all sat down together and held hands - as the mom, i always uttered a shorty and we would eat....this particular time I shocked the holy hell out of the kids by starting the prayer with, "Dear Mother Fucker, now that i realize how much i hate you and this Creation, please bless this meal and help it to go toward making us strong in the face of so much denial!"

                MY KIDS freaKED!!!!

                and we never stopped laughing through the whole meal. and still to this day, we are laughing

                who says that working the process of the right use of will has to be so damned serious!

                yeah, we are tasked with HELPING to heal the gap and i used to get all twisted up with absolute seriousness about how I SHOULD DO THIS....eventually, I realized that the ONLY thing I NEEDED TO REMEMBER was to be honest to the best of my ability and the rest would work itself out. After all, Spirit and Will are no longer contributing to the log jam, meaning there is no longer a log jam and all of the futile efforts we continually contributed - like the hero's we are - in the past, are no longer futile....in fact - our judgment releases free us up as individuals to be of real service. Simple is how i like to keep it. take responsibility for my denial and tell the truth. beyond that, i am just learning how to be a good animal, a sexual beast with a personality....now, after years of crying and grinding my teeth, I am having moments and days where i can feel the ecstasy that is my birthright.

                yesterday i was at the drum circle and there it is easy to get beyond the politics of humanity and ENJOY one another for simply showing up

                aloha
                • Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

                  Mon, November 16, 2009 - 1:35 PM
                  Eh Andora

                  I went to drumming circle 6-7 weeks ago. I wouldn't mind doing another one before the snow flies at my friends place.

                  Nice to hear you speak your truth here.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    I care about what you have to say, Andora. What's her name does not speak for me.

                    Your life experiences are unique to yourself.

                    So do you think that we as individuals even if were part of the same order of spirit, have a unique and different Original Cause, exclusive to who we are as individuals?
                    • yes WL, I believe we all have similar tribes that have an OC

                      and just like an individual in a family, we all have our own unique orientation

                      I am just now getting brave enough to go back to my drum circle as i have been sick for the past 3 years and unable to celebrate life in that way. but, when i went back, i felt like i went back home! these people have been drumming and dancing with me for 11 years now and we all notice when someone is gone. it is so nice to be able to go back and be a part of a community. after all that had been happening here, i so needed to feel that love, it is unconditional and i noticed!

                      blessings to you WL
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    Re: My complacency,stagnation with RUOW

    Thu, November 19, 2009 - 11:08 AM
    Hi there Robert,
    Sounds like you are bored with your life right now, your description of how your day might go above is what gives me that impression. Though I know that might not be completely true, I wanted to encourage you to take some risks and follow what your desire wants.

    I agree with what Miss Andora said about each person having a different process, for the most part I think that is true even though there are things that cross over and work for others. I too inquire how others handle something but I try to always get back to my core desire.

    Taking the risks has brought up terror in me and helped me to move through that toward what I really want and need in my life.

    I am not sure if my words can help you here, but I just wanted to say that I think you need to shake things up a bit for yourself. Take some risks to experience and even love someone.

    Hugs to you!

    Rae

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