to Daisy

topic posted Tue, June 3, 2008 - 10:40 PM by  Nathan
Daisy,

I want you to hear and recieve me here.

I do not want you to do so in the spriti of "helping me" with my healing either. this helps you too, not just me.

I did what I did and said what I said to point out a lack of feeling connections there. I did not say a bunch of feeling words because I feel there was a lack of connections there and i feel you would not take me seriously, just as I feel you mostly don't take me seriously now, but just see me as another man who is the same to you as all other men. though there is more connection than there once was, it still feels that way mostly to me, that I am not being taken seriously here when I talk about my feelings because of the lack of connection... therefore, It would sound liek "just words" to you no matter the "feeling" content. Feelings can't be conveyed by words unless there is a feeling connection between the people communicating.

I was saying what I was saying to point to a felt vibrational reality of a lack of connections.

Its useless to argue and quibble over whether if i said it differently and had used different words, it would have been better or worse. i could have said "I don't like this" "this feels bad to me" "this doesn't feel good to me". Its all the same in effect.

the point is the gap or lack of connections and I am just only trying to speak up for the voice of my own emerging Will. I am not trying to say you or anyone was wrong. I am trying to point out the lack of feeling connections that would have/could have made it unfold in a way that would have felt better and perhaps resulted in healing. I am not trying to make it like it is wrong that they weren't there already. I am just tyring to point out their absense.

If the lack of feeling connections is not pointed out, and not noticed, how is it ever possible to grow the connections that are so desperately needed now?

If you are already perfectly sensitive in all of you then how is it possible for you to become more sensitive? If you already perfect, then how can you evolve and grow the missing connections if you can't acknowledge that they aren't there?

I understand you felt defensive as well as Semele feeling defensive... I really do. Usually that is the script... If someone points out a lack of connections, the norm is that they do it in an unloving, critical way, and I understand that people do not have much experience of gaps or lacks of connections in the emotional body being pointed to in a loving way, and women in general, have usually not experienced men as pointing out gaps or lacks of connections in the emotional body in a loving way. For sure, that has not been the norm. I understand that.

I am trying to create a new experience here and that I do what I am doing here because I want to help to grow the missing connections here where connections have never been and help to build the bridges that need to be built here so that healing that is so desperately needed can finally happen, not to make you or anyone else wrong. It would go along way towards building these bridges, I feel, if that could be understood.
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Nathan
  • Re: to Daisy

    Wed, June 4, 2008 - 12:28 PM
    Nathan, I don't want my gaps pointed out. I think I've been very clear on that. Your perception of me is yours, not mine. Your perception of what is going on with me is yours, not mine.

    I understand very clearly that there is a lack of connection between all of us here, not just you and I. I don't expect there to be full connection with people I have never met, in the white bright spirit polar pages of this tribe.

    I am not here to heal gaps with people. I do that in my private life with people I can feel with all of my senses. I came here for support and to learn. I don't believe that bridging and healing are possible over the internet because so much of what needs to be healed is US inside and has nothing to do with anyone else.

    "I feel you mostly don't take me seriously now, but just see me as another man who is the same to you as all other men. though there is more connection than there once was, it still feels that way mostly to me, that I am not being taken seriously here when I talk about my feelings because of the lack of connection..."

    Nathan, I am taking you as seriously as I can, given the hostility you display towards me. You make a lot of assumptions about who I am and what I am about, so honestly, it's hard to take you seriously when you keep making accusations towards me about what I am doing and why. It would be so much easier if you just asked me who I am, what I feel and think. To me, that would foster more closeness and connection between us.

    Yes, you are a man, with all the male imprints that go along with it. But I also see you, Nathan, and what I feel underneath all that feels fearful and desperate to me. That is what I want to work with, that is the part that feels real to me. If you directly showed me that, I would be more receptive to you than I am.

    "if you are already perfectly sensitive in all of you then how is it possible for you to become more sensitive? If you already perfect, then how can you evolve and grow the missing connections if you can't acknowledge that they aren't there?"

    Did I say that? Did I really? Go read it again, Nathan.

    Here is my perspective:

    I understand you are having feelings.....so am I, all the time. I understand you are fearful, so am I. I understand you are angry...so am I. I understand you are sensitive and working on really hard stuff....so am I. So what makes us so different from each other, hmm? And what makes me your enemy? What makes Rob my enemy? What makes any of you my enemy? Is it really me? Did I really do that to you? Do I know you? Have we met? Are your issues really with me?

    I am here to help if I can. I am here to receive help when I need it. I am here to give and receive support. All the rest of the emotional work I do is in real time with physical people in my life. It doesn't make sense to me to do it this way. You can't feel me, you can't see me, you can't hear me or touch me, and there hasn't been one offer to speak over the phone to try to get some sense of who I am.

    I trust myself to take the reflections I get and interpret them myself. I don't trust the interpretations of others unless I feel loving intent and there is a foundation of love to stand on. I trust myself to heal myself, with the help of the four parts. I don't mind being a projection screen for others sometimes, if I feel they are working with their triggers and moving stuff. But I don't want to be drawn in as if it's my drama or problem when it isn't. I'm not going to receive you just because you tell me to. I'm going to read what you have to say without taking it in first to see if I have responsibility. I won't receive it if there is bad light in it, because I am trying to reduce that light, not take in more.

    I am healing lost will right now, and seeing the effects it has on my life and my family. I am making connections where there have never been connections before. I take a lot of blaming rage from my son's in order to help them heal. This is my responsibility, because I helped to make them, or fragment them, or whatever you want to call it. This is my responsibility and no one elses. This is the only responsibility I feel to anyone I know in this life, outside of myself. Everyone else must take responsibility for themselves and their own healing. I will help if I can, but that is all I can do.

    Where you are right now has nothing to do with me, except maybe in reaction to me. I am not in the same place. If you want my help, I am glad to give it. Otherwise, let me be.
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    • Rob
      Rob
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      I would like to know

      Sat, June 14, 2008 - 9:27 AM
      I find it remarkable that you can make a comment like this:

      "I am not here to heal gaps with people. I do that in my private life with people I can feel with all of my senses. I came here for support and to learn. I don't believe that bridging and healing are possible over the internet because so much of what needs to be healed is US inside and has nothing to do with anyone else. "

      When only a month before you where criticising Shenreed for exactly the same thing in the moderator process thread and even requesting that he be booted because of it:

      "As far as Shenreed goes, I don't feel any softening in him, just a superior position that he gives himself over everyone else. A scholar, mental processor who isn't feeling his will. If he had one, he would feel good to us even just sometimes. He has never felt good to me. He has shown no desire or intent to heal gaps with me or anyone else I have seen who has gapped with him. "

      On the same day you also stated very clearly in your "My Balance point for today and healing gaps" post:

      "So, I am willing to heal my gaps with people, if there is intent to heal without projecting your shit onto me and owning it yourself. I will do the same."

      I'd like to know exactly which it is

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