How is real creation accomplished?
what is the single perfect method by which a thing may be created?
I am not talking about rampant combinatorics or the masturbatory combining and recombining of old or preexisting things into previously unseen hybrids of old and obscure components...
I mean, from nothing.
How?
what is the single perfect method by which a thing may be created?
I am not talking about rampant combinatorics or the masturbatory combining and recombining of old or preexisting things into previously unseen hybrids of old and obscure components...
I mean, from nothing.
How?
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Re: Creation
Fri, August 10, 2007 - 2:34 PMimagine it, for the first time.
the universe (existence in entirety in fact) is no expanse,it is infinite,all things all directions,forever.
sometimes a concept too large for the human brain.
Let's say imagine an existance where the "people" are purple and they have pink air and fire burns towards the center of gravity instead of away, and it is so. you will never be able to see it, but it is so.
the part that perplexes me is whether it is now because of your thinking of it,or whether it always was , and you realized it just now, or even ironically unknowingly described it.
there will always be another question and another answer. -
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Fri, August 10, 2007 - 4:14 PMthis isn't what I meant.
"an existance where the "people" are purple and they have pink air and fire burns towards the center of gravity instead of away"
is not actually new it's a recombination of preexisting components.
and of course it must be imagined...but there is a process...that process is the subject of my question. -
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Fri, August 10, 2007 - 6:27 PMyou may be missing my point as well, of course i cannot use things which are indescribable as we are not yet aware of their nature or existence, i mean to say, you cannot create it,it is already there. there will be nothing "anew" only things you are unaware of revealed to you.
i guess it all ties in with my views on time and matter, i believe a thing cannot be where it is not supposed to be, and that a thing cannot not yet be ,or cease to exist entirely. i believe that the chaos i revere so is caused merely by everything doing exactly what it is supposed to do,as it was always going to do,as it always will have done,and myself attempting to perceive it with my stoned little human brain.
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 3:33 AMI appreciate the response but I've heard it before and I don't agree.
Does anyone else have a different one? -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 10:42 AMi want to say something cannot be created from nothing,there must at least be a pre existing thing to create it, however if existence is infinite possibility i suppose that things can just pop into existence where they never were before. as far as how, well an omnipotent being could do so, possibly an omnipotent machine, but then it is still being created by something else and thought. -
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Re: Creation
Sun, August 12, 2007 - 5:03 AMyes, you said that. I don't think I agree.
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 1:05 PM"what is the single perfect method by which a thing may be created? "
Excluding all rearrangements of prexistent objects and ideas, so far as i am aware, the only example is the Big Bang.
The explanation of the Big Bang is so far as I know, still undecided.
There is a minor form of creation, which is observer-created reality. This has been seen for very small particles, but theoretically applies to macroscopic objects, according to Neumann. However this is not really creation, more the discovery of something to have been created, as it is a random process.
It might be possible to control this process from a certain point of view, but that would be more a question of how we choose to view reality, rather than spontaneous creation.
So whats your explanation? -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 2:16 PMMy explanation?
It's sort of in the question to a degree. I do think it takes place within the mine, but from a position of nothingness.
I've seen little glimmers that leave me thinking that creating something out of nothing is very much possible, but I am sure method is everything.
For my own purposes my interest lies in creative production of various kinds. -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 10:20 PMWhat sort of something are you referring to? An idea? A physical thing? A living being? A sensory experience? ... ? -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 5:04 AMit would have to begin with an idea yes. -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 7:42 AMjust to start at the other end... how will you recognise it when you have achieved it? -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 8:15 AMhavent you ever thought ..."why isnt there a ______" or "why hasnt someone made a _____" and then you come across that thing or idea within a few days, thats how, its realization,not creation,all things already are. (you don't have to agree) -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 8:21 AMAlthough to be fair, you technically could create matter by converting it from energy, and vice versa. so the broad answer is you must first harness and utilise the energy. if you could somehow tame raw energy into particles then you would have done it. -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 9:36 AMYoure not creating either energy or matter, youre just choosing which way you wish to experience the stuff.
matter-energy is created all the time, but in opposite forms, so it cancels itself out.
You cannot ever pull a perfect vacuum, because to do so would be to violate Heisenberg's uncertainty law; you would know with certainty that nothing existed there. The harder you suck, the more negative-positive pairs spring into existence, the way bubbles appear in beer if you reduce the pressure.
But +1 and -1 always sum to zero, so there is no net creation. -
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Re: Creation
Sun, August 12, 2007 - 10:54 AMthe idea does seem to drive into the heart of paradox, though, and raise a series of Godelian monsters... I haven't quite straightened them out in my head though...
was the concept of new creation ever a new thought, free from any previous reference points?
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Mon, August 13, 2007 - 3:24 AMSo, let me see then for example (just to make sure I understand you here) if you never hear anyone else's opinion or perspective than your own they don't exist? But then suddenly you imagine this idea of other people having other perspectives and so you created them?
doesn't seem to follow.
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 9:02 AMDo what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
help me out here - i'm not sure i'm understanding you
"I mean, from nothing. "
are you asking how anything can be created without a creator? if so, why do you ask? i mean... we're already here. it seems like kind of a moot point. if i was to go create a universe it would still be me creating it, therefore it wouldn't be From Nothing.
if i'm understanding you properly, i don't think this question can be reasonably answered below the abyss. like i said, though, i'm not at All sure i'm understanding you properly
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