Hi Nick!
can you expand a little on this? I've had a quick look at the link you provided, but its all above my head - and Im sure many others .
what are Guiarq, Quibey, Tekguiarq, and with the seven masculine virtues for instance???

Maybe this might be a great discussion point for the members>??

Hows about prompting a bit of discussion in here about this site??

cheers

Bearmanoz

Oh Dear!!! Welll I'm a bit like Shirley Maclain, I'll give anything ago, and was quite enjoying reading the monkey brothers site , with its airy fairey new agey new masculnity Aztec etc stufff - but it call changed when I got to the page which reccommended reading "Protocols of The Elders of Zion".

There is nothing 'open minded' or 'positive' about this piece of anti-Semitic propoganda. Fabricated by a member fo the Russian secret police in the last days of the Tsars, it was used to justify the pogroms of Jews all over Imperial Russia. The in the 1930s, Hitler revived it and started printing it in German to justify the attempted extermination of the jews. It's now beig reprinted agian by white spuremecist groups, mainly in the States.

And then the website gets even worse - singing the praises of Rohm, another Nazi! (Incidentally, a Gay nazi who later became a victim of his own dear leader. When you play with fire boys....).

There's something very odd about this site - cut thru the gumph and Maya/Aztec nonsense, it basically seems to be only welcoming white gay muscle men as 'monkey brothers'

Lets get this straight -

• Elder of Zion is a nasty, viscious, completely false piece of propoganda used by brainless idiots to justify their anti-semitism. there is nothing openminded about reading it - it is a collection of complete and utter lies which have been used to justify some of the worst outrages in the history of mankind.

• Nazis were not good people. there was nothing positive about them. Nothing open minded about them. You can talk all you like about 'keeping an open mind' , keeping positive, creativity etc etc or Aryan values of masculinity etc etc blah blah blah -the fact is that Nazis were genocidal mass murderers and under their regime, homosexuals were amongst the first to go - homosexuals, jews, patients of mental hospitals, the elderly, the infirm and, yes, nudists!

• If there's one thing uglier than a fascist, its a Gay Fascist - gay fascists are self-haters who are somehow seeking solace by identifiying with that which oppresses them - I think its called the Stockholm Sydnrome. Hence this monkeyboys sites obssession with images of masculinity - "Oh we're not really gay, we just like building up our muscles, hugging each other in a manly way and spitting at non-white non-males because that way there's someone below even us"

please don't write back to me and tell me I should read the whole Monkey site, or that i've got it wrong, or I should keep an open mind , i should keep a positive attitude etc etc - I've seen enough - there is NOTHING 'positive' or 'creative' about using long discredited lies to justify the gas chambers of Treblinka, Dachau and Auschwitz!

So there! (oh i do feel good after an early morning rant!)

ianX