Yup. It is official. I am a dorky belly dancer.

topic posted Tue, June 27, 2006 - 12:05 PM by  Jennifer
So this past weekend I went to a Big Bad Voodoo Daddy concert in Winston-Salem, NC. They are a *swing* music band. No Middle Eastern/belly dance influences whatsoever. So instead of clapping and cheering like a normal person would at the end of a song, I let out a zaghareet. Yup. A zaghareet for a big band type of band while in a honky-tonk night club atmosphere. Got a few strange looks. Go figure. ;) The funniest thing was that it didn’t even occur to me until after I did it that it may not be venue appropriate. It was “song done, time to cheer, out comes a zaghareet”. It was just like I would do if I was watching a belly dance performance. I have been conditioned. I feel so Pavlovian.

So has anyone else ever fallen back on a belly dance behavior in a non-belly dance environment/situation?
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Jennifer
Virginia
  • I have done this several times...the specific occasions escape me at the moment, but the strange looks are crystal clear in my memory!

    Along the same lines - since we're such a vocal community during a show (the yipping, etc.), I've found myself hooting and hollering during all sorts of performances when the normal audience is just sitting silent. Yeah, I'm that dork in the audience who's makin' all the noise...*grin*

    Annnnnnnd - not to totally hijack this thread, but, I've found that I'm such a bellydancer that upon hearing almost any other type of music, I bust out with bellydance moves. Snake arms, shimmies...eeeeek! ;)
    • Dorky belly dancers unite!

      I hear ya. For example, at previously mentioned concert, if I was not being spun around by a partner at insane velocities, I would whip out a variety of shimmies and hip isolations. I’m sure if I was at a rock concert and the power ballad came out, instead of the straight arm lighter waving maneuver, a snake arm variant would take its place.
      • Dorky belly dancers unite!

        Fri, June 30, 2006 - 4:53 AM
        Jenn Said:

        > if I was not being spun around by a partner at insane velocities,
        > I would whip out a variety of shimmies and hip isolations.

        This _is_ how swing dancing was done in the early days. Maybe the hip and belly motions weren't exactly belly dance style, and maybe there was a little more shoulder and upper body motion that what belly dancers do today. So many early swing dancers were African American and used to put these extra body motions in during slow movements, that these kinds of accents were the style. Unfortunately, because they aren't "figures" and have no "steps", they were not assimilated into the was swing dancing has been traditionally taught. Some teachers today do encoured these extra tidbits of motion, and some people have even been trying to blend hip-hop and swing dancing.

        The hip-hop/swing dance fusion doesn't make sense to me because hip-hop has so many roots in common with swing dancing that if you swing dance old style, you already are doing the kind of hip-hop motions that the people who are blending them are trying to put in. But, this fusion is useful for giving modern dancers, especially white-bread white dancers, a sense of how much more free they can be with their bodies while swing dancing. (I don't mean to sound racist by that comment, my intent is to indicate the statistical prevalence of stiff-body dancing attitude among many white swing dancers, especially the ones from ballroom dance backgrounds who have been taught to move their hips and body certain ways _only_ for latin dancing.)
        • Re: Dorky belly dancers unite!

          Mon, July 3, 2006 - 11:40 AM
          Thanks for sharing that Denys.
          Your comments actually touch upon something I have been thinking about lately.

          > Unfortunately, because they aren't "figures" and have no "steps", they were not assimilated into the was swing dancing has been
          > traditionally taught...But, this fusion is useful for giving modern dancers, especially white-bread white dancers, a sense of how much > more free they can be with their bodies while swing dancing...the statistical prevalence of stiff-body dancing attitude among many
          > white swing dancers, especially the ones from ballroom dance backgrounds who have been taught to move their hips and body
          > certain ways _only_ for latin dancing.)

          Sadly, I think that those observations can apply to a lot of dancing nowadays. Sometimes it feels like people are just reciting the moves instead of using dance to express themselves. For several, less emphasis exists on feeling the music through you and actually dancing *with* it. Even with belly dance. You may want to focus on isolating a movement to the hip and remaining still through the rest of the body, but you can be still AND be present in the rest of the body versus just not moving the rest of yourself and having this feeling of disconnect body part to body part. Sometimes people are so focused on technique and getting it right that the ability to feel the music and what you are experiencing seems to be lost. It is interesting that something that I consider as so freeing can also be "restrictive" (being confined to specific moves). Technique and feeling are not mutually exclusive. When they exist together, it is just beautiful to behold how they dance with each other.
          • Re: Dorky belly dancers unite!

            Sun, July 16, 2006 - 12:40 AM
            Hiya,

            It's been awhile since I looked at this thread. I should have replied sooner!

            Thanks for reading past my super amount of typos!

            Jenn said: Technique and feeling are not mutually exclusive. When they exist together, it is just beautiful to behold how they dance with each other.

            Yes totally! I believe that in the realm of all the arts, it is the useful to have at least two mental modes: One of "disciplined time of study and practice" when you focus on your technique and conscious awareness of the instructor/instruction (this can still be a light hearted and fun time), and then a second mental mode of party and/or trance mode, when you are less technique oriented but more fun/social/music awareness oriented. The first mode is more academic/intellectual, and the second is more intuitive/emotional.

            There are certain things that people find themselves unable to learn well. Sometimes they can break through those learning blocks when they are in a different mode. In this sense, dancing at parties once people have loosened up physically and mentally is extremely instructional. I've seen many dancers (and musicians!) improve dramatically after events during which they had plenty of "party" time to dance (or play). This is especially true for ATS and "fusion" tribal style dancers, because it's during party time that they get more chances to improvize with lead and follow.

            "I'm Here For The Party!" Karadeniz/Denys