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Just an idea, why don't we try to produce writing through feedback by shooting ideas at each other. And for me the 'Po' relationship is still one of the best sources of weird creativity, just remember RAW and his lepufology.
So may I suggest for the sake of argument
"Time-binding PO Morphogenetic fields"
Quark's link to the Burroughs page in the 'Influences on RAW' topic somehow made me think of Sheldrake's experiments.
"Korzybski, who developed the concept of General Semantics, the meaning of meaning, has pointed out this human distinction and described man as "the time binding animal." He can make information to other men over a length of time through writing. Animals talk. They don't write. Now a wise old rat may know a lot about traps and poison but he cannot write a text book on Death Traps in Your Warehouse for the Reader's Digest with tactics for ganging up on digs and ferrets and taking care of wise guys who stuff steel wool up our holes."
William Burroughs, Feedback from Watergate to the Garden of Eden
archive.groovy.net/dl/elerev.html
Maybe men need the art of writing (or in general, symbols and archetypes) because somewhere on their way to civilisation they lost the ability to decipher DNA. I'm thinking of Sheldrake's lab experiences in which smart rats interbreeding became smarter, but stupid rats interbreeding became smarter as well - all in regard to the concept of morphogenetic fields, entangling everything (like Dustin Hoffmann with his blanket in I Love Huckabees), an experience to show the connectedness between living critters. In this regard animals could be considered time-binding as well, but by nature and not by nurture. I'd also relate this to the ideas in Jeremy Narby's mindblowing book "The Cosmic Serpent", where he considers that all life contains a hidden 'intelligence' concealed in its DNA.
www.maybelogic.net/index.php
And it also reminds me of the visions I recieved during Antero's Angel Tech last year, pertaining to the Phaestos disk. And my illumination, floating on epsom salts in my bathtub (heh): 'It is by writing down the helix into lifetree that the First One forces all qualities and worldviews to be written upon maps as this disk witnesses'
www.maybelogic.org/maybequa...Comic.htm
We are made up… of information.
SO… any reactions to this?
So may I suggest for the sake of argument
"Time-binding PO Morphogenetic fields"
Quark's link to the Burroughs page in the 'Influences on RAW' topic somehow made me think of Sheldrake's experiments.
"Korzybski, who developed the concept of General Semantics, the meaning of meaning, has pointed out this human distinction and described man as "the time binding animal." He can make information to other men over a length of time through writing. Animals talk. They don't write. Now a wise old rat may know a lot about traps and poison but he cannot write a text book on Death Traps in Your Warehouse for the Reader's Digest with tactics for ganging up on digs and ferrets and taking care of wise guys who stuff steel wool up our holes."
William Burroughs, Feedback from Watergate to the Garden of Eden
archive.groovy.net/dl/elerev.html
Maybe men need the art of writing (or in general, symbols and archetypes) because somewhere on their way to civilisation they lost the ability to decipher DNA. I'm thinking of Sheldrake's lab experiences in which smart rats interbreeding became smarter, but stupid rats interbreeding became smarter as well - all in regard to the concept of morphogenetic fields, entangling everything (like Dustin Hoffmann with his blanket in I Love Huckabees), an experience to show the connectedness between living critters. In this regard animals could be considered time-binding as well, but by nature and not by nurture. I'd also relate this to the ideas in Jeremy Narby's mindblowing book "The Cosmic Serpent", where he considers that all life contains a hidden 'intelligence' concealed in its DNA.
www.maybelogic.net/index.php
And it also reminds me of the visions I recieved during Antero's Angel Tech last year, pertaining to the Phaestos disk. And my illumination, floating on epsom salts in my bathtub (heh): 'It is by writing down the helix into lifetree that the First One forces all qualities and worldviews to be written upon maps as this disk witnesses'
www.maybelogic.org/maybequa...Comic.htm
We are made up… of information.
SO… any reactions to this?
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Wed, February 27, 2008 - 3:00 PMgesundheit! :D
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Wed, February 27, 2008 - 3:54 PM"Time-binding PO Morphogenetic fields"
The time-binding be building from a pasterly direction, while the morphogenetic field be building from a futurely direction.
And PO lil' me, stuck between 'em.
Like the Phaestos Disc. A spiral with words on, connecting The Fullness with The Void?
I think I have to read that MQ link fifty or so more times. Nail down the symbols.
The morphogenetic field is goading me into further complexity.
So, thanks for time-binding!
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Thu, February 28, 2008 - 10:48 AMI've been playing around these same waters lately, Borsky!
I've found myself taken w/ the mystery of Morphogenesis.
Since DNA is only known to code proteins for amino acids, or to build the building blocks of life, thereby as in Sheldrake's building construction metaphor, the DNA would account for the building of the bricks, but as to what directs the assembly of those bricks into a building is unknown. Sheldrake of course suggests the Morphic Field, Lazlo suggests something similar, within the subatomic "void", what he calls the Akashic Field.
I recently sent the following e-mail to Ralph Abraham and Rupert Sheldrake:
Dear Sirs,
In regards to Morphic Resonance, and if I'm to understand Einstein
correctly that forces result from geometry, might the force that
results from the peculiar geometry of the subatomic void/plenum
provide the impetus for form et al?
with great regard,
bob campbell
that certainly seems reasonable ... however,
in the usual models for the quantum vacuum,
there is no intrinsic geometry
rather, geometry emerges from the plenum
eg, see this (if you have not already)
www.ralph-abraham.org/article...zylumps/
thanks for writing
ralph
Dear Bob,
I don’t know if I understand Einstein correctly so I can’t judge if
you do. But I think if there were some simple answer like this that
arose from the physics we’d probably know about it by now.
Best wishes
Rupert
Ralph's answer and the reading he directed me towards has been the content of a FERSCHLUGGINER mind fuck! I'm not ready to write of it yet, it's strangely easy to talk about, and I have been, at length, but I need more time to anchor in appropriately enough for TEXT.
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Thu, February 28, 2008 - 12:53 PMAs the CNS governs the Body, so does DNA govern the CNS. What governs DNA ? Using the 8-circuit brain grid, I'd say what governs and informs DNA may be the strata of subatomic quantum interactions (SQI). Beyond Jack Sarfati's superliminal thereoms, the SQI/DNA interface remains in the spook domain of heuristic speculation.
Personally, I think DNA acts as a bio-conduit for nonlocal extraterrestrial signals that occasionally shock human species into its next evolutionary phase so we may eventually catch up to our future selves. It seems that DNA not only stores ancestral data from ages past but also the future memory of where we are evolving. We have already happened. We are just taking our sweet time waking up to who and what we have always been. -
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 2:28 PMAnd considering my hastily-constructed pseudo-understanding of the Morphogenetic field, that would make sense.
If more complex life-thingies are "somewhere" (and if we silly monkeys aren't the pinnacle of existence, they are) they would create folds in the Morphogenetic "Blanket" for us to snuggle into.
And if time "is" as spooky as they say, I suppose I don't see why we can't be creating our own comfy folds right now, only later.
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 9:42 AMWOW!
Hey, maybe the Maybes could work in a school that experiments with and teaches all this in a parallel universe/chapter. We can have sensory deprivation tanks, make mutants while studying dna . . . make a dna time traveling device that puts some dna in a machine to show all the history that comprised the information in that dna? That might be a good play area that might lead to some accidental extra understanding in all this fun stuff!
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:06 PMBah. If ya wanna learn fast ya gotta hit wikipedia, jump in, trust your gut, and not get disgusted with yourself when you fall on your ass.
And I really like the idea of some kinda whacked-out Timbuktu U. Very fertile stuff, that. Anybody might be teaching (POLY1001 Introduction to Political "Science", Professor Emperor Norton), and anybody might show up for class (Helen Keller, Zaphod Beeblebrox, and Genghis Khan, for example).
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Fri, February 29, 2008 - 3:24 PMBORK2323, The Joy of Cooking Dragon, Professor Eva Herself -
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 1:05 AMA funny thing happened to Billy on his way to Interzone.
A number kept hitting him again and again. Maybe he saw the inner core core of time-binding through this number. Then he wrote and combined and transformed. There were memetic bugs everywhere showing off an incremental excremential porridge of seemingly unrelated concepts. Billy eviscerated them all. And all of them had the number written in their insides.
You shall fnord forget that number.
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Sat, March 1, 2008 - 9:39 AMHahahaa, here are some:
How to remain musically ambitious while void of any musical talent:
Syllabus-
1. Get a Simon Says/Light Fight Game
2. Join a virtual band called the Maybes.
Substance Science:
Course Description - Satisfy both and Life & Physical Science course requirements by attending this two-semester long class & lab.
Syllabus -
1. Vaporizing 101
- Students experiment and keep a journal of results on the following effects - what temperature, packing height, inhalation pressure & duration, order in rotation, etc. leads to what effect of stonedness. Students combine journal entries for a valuable study that can help less scientific stoners customize the perfect high for themselves by referencing our hard work.
2. Eat this & you die, but eat that & you get a GREAT high
- students study how to experiment with foreign plants, fungi, berries, etc. without killing themselves (students must sign a disclaimer for this class as professor has only been lucky so far)
3. Grow, grow, grow your dope
- students learn a combination of important taxonomy, botany, sterilization, biology, etc. while growing their own substances.
4. Home Economics
- Students learn how they can combine their findings in the earlier segments of the class towards baking, making tea, and other useful resources for the home. They also study how they can succeed economically working from home while developing these resources.
5. competitive economics
- finally, students learn which industries make them criminals for this research because synthetics reign supreme.
DNA History & Film:
In this course, students study junk DNA, patterns in weather, anthropology, plagues, other diseases, interactions between different species to be able to piece together everything that goes into the development of DNA code. The information in each strand is unwound to create a film of all the external influences that coded that piece of dna. Students then sort the films into Drama, Action, Comedy, Tragedy, etc.
How about Synergy High?
P.S. I am only qualified to teach the first class listed :-(
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Re: Pollaborative writing - the sequel.
Mon, March 3, 2008 - 11:29 AMI'm down for that study schedule, when we startin'? Love it...
I watched Croneburg/Burroughs "Naked Lunch" just the other day,
I liked it when i first saw it back in the 90's, but now....wowee, yeah,
And thinking out for Korzybski, he was there, everywhere, and mcluhan
The WORD, the TYPE and the BUG.
And the honesty and seething realness, wow, i was stoned of course,
And i just loved it, and Ornette Coleman all over the soundtrack-
Just perfect to gain some semantic heducation,
I am now convinced that the movie is a jizz-saw puggle to be "Put together again"
Milli-seconds and weeks go by in a "cockroaches whisker"
TIME almost breaks down entirely!
Time-----that stubborn motherfucker.
To hazard a guess, i presume that contained within Korzybski's massive mountain of work
Are crystal caves and linguistuc streams that can seemingly work magic on the WORD
And its place in creative writing. Propositional functions and the kind of operationalist languages RAW describes,
And exhibits in his mind-building prose-fiction outpourings...
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