The Tale of the TRIBE

topic posted Sun, February 24, 2008 - 6:57 AM by  fly
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The Tale of the Tribe. [TOTT.]

An ambiguous and widely missunderstood grouping of FIVE words, or four if you miss off THE'

I think the phrase "A Poem including History" works as a helpful pointer. Finnegans Wake and the Cantos'

Are each "The Tale of the Tribe" in their respective ways. "Illuminatus! Trilogy" too!

These 3 texts when considered together may constitute a triangular structure, from which RAW's TOTT SHINE most

Brightly?


Also the book by Michael Berstein [1980] "The Tale of the Tribe: The Modern verse epic of Ezra Pound."

Steers us once more toward uncle [EZ] who with [JJ] become the two primary exhibitors of

RAW's TOTT. [which i figure is NOT his final published book "email to the Universe", but something much bigger

woven and threaded throughout his books, and sombunall of his literary influences, an invisible landscape. ]


So what i refer to as [RAW's TOTT], as opposed to anybody else's idea or conception/perception

of the TOTT remains something we have yet to define. But he left us many clues. [rising drums and Cello's]

Maybe it requires a total revision of RAW's entire catalogue

With the new TOTT gloss, [best condensed at the back of his bookTSOG]

To move closer to lifting this great ball of TOTT crystal IMHO.



...the alphabet vs. the equation....?

...language as Class Warfare...?


Here's a condensed paragraph from RAW, giving us
Further clues:

I hereby acknowledge the debts my works owe to Remy de Gourmont,
for his method of dissociation of ideas, to Alfred Korzybski, for his
formulations of general semantics; to Richard Bandler, for his
invension of neurolinguistic Programming; to Buckminster Fuller for his
synergetics, to Claude Shannon and Norbert Weiner for their studies of
control and communication between animals and/or machines; and to
Ezra Pound for Ideogrammic Method.
None of them deserve any blame for my errors or blunders. -Robert Anton Wilson, email to the Universe.

I would like to echo Bob's sentiment here, as he does not deserve any blame for my earaws or blunterz.
!

And here we have a neat introduction to [RAW's TOTT]compiled by the sparkling MLA.

"==Tale of the Tribe==
The first of Wilson's MLA courses bridging the political,
the social and the psychological, [[Tale of the Tribe]] promises to be a landmark
journey with our dear Dr. Bob. Starring **Giordano Bruno, Giambatista Vico,
Friederich Nietzsche, Ernest Fenollosa, Ezra Pound, Alfred Korzybski,
James Joyce, Buckminster Fuller, Claude Shannon** and **Marshall McLuhan** --
the nucleus of the extraordinary minds that have helped shape the
information age of 21st century and the mindscape of **Robert Anton Wilson.**
Join Wilson as he explores the themes, minds and ideas of his forthcoming book, The Tale of the Tribe.--A.A MLA Admin.


And here is a question by BOB,
from the back of his book TSOG: The thing the ate the constitution,

That i think crystalizes RAW's TOTT,
And deserves DAILY revision...

What do Giordano Bruno, Giambatista Vico,
Friedrich Nietzsche, Ernest Fenollosa, Ezra Pound
Alfred Korzybski, James Joyce, Buckminster Fuller,
Claude Shannon, Marshall Mcluhan and Internet all have in
common? You''ll find out. -TSOG.


I have started doing this new work, condensing the nodle clusters

From RAW's work's [the names of the characters to begin with]

And started arranging them in different ways. [having searchable source's has greatly inspired this posting]

I feel that i have stepped over/through some boundaries in some sense,

By cutting bits from RAW's writing and sticking them together. [byte-ing RAW]

But, with the strictest supervision, and with a community who can FEEDBACK

with each other while doing so, we can basically continue RAW's work,

And study his structure, technique and methods?

This works as a great GLOSS for Illuminatus! Trilogy, and is something i hope to

Contribute to a any wiki project with literature as a general heart.


"make it new".

Sinceritas.

Fly Agaric/Acrillic
Steven James Pratt

I hope the MLA, TRIBE, and everybody else can join in


axistao@yahoo.com




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  • Re: The Tale of the TRIBE

    Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:35 AM
    Hoooo Fasa. Yet again a fine and bright post from the museyroom!

    I didn't know RAW had read Gourmont. Rémy de Gourmont was a friend of Alfred Jarry, the founder of pataphysics. They were members of a vague bunch of artists which was only percieved as a symbolist group long after they died. Anyway Jarry and Gourmont were involved in the publication of the proto-zine "L'Ymagier", a journal devoted to the symbolic analysis of medieval, popular and contemporary woodcuts.
    www.remydegourmont.org/de_rg/...ice.htm

    There's a very complicated (French) site on the science of pataphilosophy combining pataphysics, deconstructivism, and all kinds of obscure ideas about mythology (Totally my cup of tea but I'm probably one of the very few).
    pagesperso-orange.fr/claude....ndex.htm
    They offer a patagraph from de Gourmont's book 'Dissociations' which I translated below:

    "I tried my entire life to produce dissociations, of ideas, of feelings, and if my work has some value, my perseverance in this method is its origin. It seems it was useless and that I spoke in the void, since men go on living, thinking and feeling in confusion. Of course it's much more fun that way. Yet to think about it, it seems quite dull. You see men unregarding of many the warnings, unregarding of the daily showcase, stubbornly wanting to connect the most opposed ideas, those who make the loudest racket being the most eager to become associated. Let's not say men, let's call them imbeciles; it's almost the same but it might help us to separate the creatures with a sharper mind, a more subtile sensibility, from the crowds.
    For example, and this one appears as periodically as the phases of the moon, the crowd (from which many men of a certain wordly influence), guided by masters worthy of its following, keeps combining in a same concept and vision the ideas of art and morality. Each year and many times every year, either in the Summer, Winter or Fall Salon (-the most prestigious exhibitions in Paris at that time, nota borsky.-), one or more paintings or sculptures are censored, for the reason that they would not promulgate enough virtue. If the work was worthless, having few to do with art, it wouldn't matter, but as pertaining to art it is considered obvious that it must have moral qualities as well. The crowd percieves no difference between those two. The crowd follows the example of Tolstoï, who was haunted by preconceptions as big as himself. He was in some aspects a genius. It would take me another chapter to elaborate.
    (…)
    Would it be sensible to demand from Van Dongen to choose his subjects such that they would offer us both explosions of colour and explosions of puritanism? A painter might have other concerns than to wonder whether his exhibition of skin remains inside the limits of virtue. All he takes into account (and it's his mastership) is whether it will produce a harmonious stain on his painting."

    I might add at that time (the 1890s) the generic 'men' in French just meant mankind, although I suppose even the avant-garde at that time was guilty of sexism. Apart from that from the general ideas and the corrosive style I can understand RAW's appreciation. And let's face it (oh yes let's), "L'Origine du Monde" by Gustave Courbet which caused a small earthquake at the time is still one of the most revealing things of beauty…
    See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Origine_du_monde
    And see more about Van Dongen's sensuous paintings here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kees_van_Dongen

    In the movie "I love Huckabees" I've been watching yesterday, existential detective Dustin Hoffmann repeatedly uses a white blanket symbolizing 'everything' to show how all is connected (and similar) while his nemesis Isabelle Huppert tries to semantically separate everything and turns her followers into chaotic nihillists. The opposite combination of the above?
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    Re: The Tale of the TRIBE

    Wed, February 27, 2008 - 7:45 PM
    Fabulous idea lyf!

    You guys are too smart for me to keep up with these days. But I can try to muster some mental toughness and work on some gs stuff.

    I only know pieces of bob's tale, and I dunno how well they fit in with TTOTT :)
    • Re: The Tale of the TRIBE

      Wed, February 27, 2008 - 10:53 PM
      "You guys are too smart for me to keep up with these days."

      I hear that, Min. In the last day and a half I've learned about the Museyroom, morphogenetic fields, the Phaestos Disc, Brion Gysin, cursed my lack of knowledge about Ginsberg and Pound, and developed a burning desire to learn French just so I can read some more weird shit.

      If anybody comes up with a curtain killing cat-influence spell for Matthias I would appreciate it if they could modify it to slow down time so I can catch up.

      Wait. That's what that MQ 3-2 link is for.

      Hooo Fhasa?
      • Re: The Tale of the TRIBE

        Thu, February 28, 2008 - 5:42 AM
        HOO Fasa!

        Hoo Fasa! we got from the Pisan Cantos (Ezra Pound)
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cantos
        Canto LXXIV, Ragu.

        Hoo just means ‘Hail’ and Fasa is the name of a tribe (and also of the kings of the tribe)…it comes in a sequence about the collapse(s) and rebuilding of the lost city of Wagadu.
        www.marcusgarvey.com/wmview.php

        a man on whom the sun has gone down nor shall diamond die in the avalanche be it torn from its setting first must destroy himself ere others destroy him. 4 times was the city rebuilded, Hooo Fasa now in the mind indestructible, Gassir, Hoooo Fasa, With the four giants at the four corners and four gates mid-wall Hooo Fasa and a terrace the colour of stars pale as the dawn cloud, la luna Hooo Fasa, and in a dance the renewal with two larks in contrappunto a sinistra la Torre seen thru a pair of breeches.

        (now you may probably think “I wish he’d explain his explanation”, as Byron said of Coleridge)

        And Coleridge, too, has lately taken wing,
        But like a hawk encumber'd with his hood,
        Explaining metaphysics to the nation
        I wish he would explain his Explanation.

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