Something someone said over the on BD Health, Fitness, and Anatomy tribe got my wheels turning, so here's the topic:
How does your culture affect how you approach dance and how you see yourself as a dancer? This could be your home culture, local culture, national culture, or some combination thereof. What aspects of the culture that you most identify with find their way into your dance expression?
How does your culture affect how you approach dance and how you see yourself as a dancer? This could be your home culture, local culture, national culture, or some combination thereof. What aspects of the culture that you most identify with find their way into your dance expression?
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 12:11 PMWell, I have a very expensive custom made Scottish bellydance costume, but that's about it. I don't do anything else specifically Scottish within the dance itself; just a costume I had made.
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 5:09 PMWell, my home culture is African-American, and I'm heavily influenced, as a dancer, by growing up with a musician as a Mother. She played piano in our church, and taught me to sing in the choir as well.
That led to 3 or 4 years of going to Gospel Music Workshop conventions, both local, regional, and national. A lot of time spent on the stage, performing. People note, today, I don't seem to have a lot of stage fright when I dance, and that's part of why.
People also notice I love playing with the music, dancing both within and without it. Although I still struggle with maquams as a concept, I love music, and I love that you can do this dance form with nearly any kind (in my opinion, I know others disagree). Again, I think that's a result of growing up with music as both theory and practice, and learning to love it like my Mom did.
Moreover, there's simply a long tradition in African-American culture of entertainment and performance; for many, it was not just a love, but the only way to make money against a racist system. Although I didn't have to overcome, in any way, the forces they did, I'm eternally grateful that they showed how hard work and determination, paired with a true love of whatever art they performed, can make a difference. -
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:20 PMI think the fact that I grew up in a small southern town from a family with very rural roots (for the most part) effects how I interact with the bellydance community here. I'm one of the few native southerners in the group of dancers I am around most. Other than that, I'm not sure how much my actual roots effect my dancing other than that I do find myself bellydancing to country music quite often (lol). I was never a clogger, but I have line danced a little, and every time I hear that Oojami song with the fiddles in the background, I'm tempted to kick up my heels...lol.
I think (at least where I grew up), that there is also an artistic sub-culture that I was also a part of. That has the biggest influence. In high school we called ourselve the "Freaks" (jokingly) because we thought that's how people saw us. As a result, I've always felt myself to be a bit odd. I think if I had not been, I may not have started bellydancing at all because it is a rather different thing to do--especially around these parts--and I've always been drawn to such things. At the same time, I think it's helped me in finding my own balance between being true to the art's origins (knowing the history of one's art is important no matter what that art is) while still maintaining my own artistic voice. It also makes me far more comfortable on the stage having my theatrical experiences behind me and the knowledge that I know how to take the stage. I see a stage and an audience, and my inner toddler says "Mine!"
What brought to mind this topic was our society's expectations in regards to body image, and I do think that weighs on my costuming choices and how I feel before I get in front of an audience. There's always a little worry before I enter the stage, though that goes away usually once I'm in front of the audience. (That inner toddler is a ham.) -
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 10:43 AMI'm southern too (6th gen floridian, family in the south back to the 1600s) but I think the main thing that has come through all that to me as a dancer is the craftiness. Maybe its not specifically southern, but it does seem like every southern woman in my background had a craft. One grandmother did crosstitching, another quilted, my mother picked up any craft she could get her hands on from basket weaving to doll making. I think there is this romantic, old-fashioned vision I got of my ancestors spending hot southern days rocking on porches, sipping lemonade and knitting together. The south was slower to get cities and retail, so if you wanted a pretty ___, you had to make it yourself.
It came down to me in a love of costume building (why buy what I can make?). When I was little my mom had me on the sewing machine, making my own stuffed animals and costumes just for the fun of it. So when I started dancing as a teenager, I only bought one full costume before I started putting them together myself.
I also think that, again referencing the quiet old south with no cities, southerners had to entertain themselves. Stories, songs, ho-downs, whatever. Song and dance was how communities came together and had fun. The same thing can be seen all over the world. I love it when we step away from our machines and our televisions, sit around and strum guitars and dance and chatter. I think thats still my favorite way to dance--not on stage performing, but just jamming out with friends. -
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 5:39 PMThat is definitely a consideration, I think. Being in Tennessee and from a native Tennessee family, entertainment and arts/crafts are just a part of my background. Everyone on my father's side is very musical except me (guess dance is my expression of that), and I grew up with music all around. I grew up with art and various forms of entertainment. Now I'm not only a dancer but a storyteller and an artist as well.
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Wed, March 12, 2008 - 7:40 AMAwesome Topic!
I, personally, think that culture affects everything we do. It's so much a part of how we see the world that we often don't even recognize it's influence. I was raised in South Louisiana with a very French/Cajun culture all around me. Lots of arts and a welcoming attitude to artists. Not to say that they don't have their own conservative element (my grandmothers were pretty stanch!).
As an adult, I moved to the deep south. Yes, South Louisiana is south - but it aint' Southern! Major culture shock and lots of years of people taking an instant dislike to me because I was blunt and very plain spoken (A Cajun trait). I have smoothed some of my rough edges over the years and don't have as many issues - but even after 17 years here, it's because I adapt my natural inclinations to fit in. I am constantly - almost daily reminded that I didn't grow up in this culture. <shrug>
Having said all of that, I'm not sure how my native culture affects my dance. I know the Southern culture does, as I am alway congnizant of the conservative nature of this culture once you get outside the perimeter of Atlanta! I live outside the perimeter.
I think my French heritage makes me willing to try new things and there is definately a love of dance! All dance - any dance in S. LA. For pete's sake - we close the streets down in order to hold Fais Do Dos! In Lafayette this happened weekly during the warm weather months (that's most of the year) - I'm assumming it still does. I also have a familiarity with fiddle and accordian music/sounds that seems to come back around in my belly dance and a love of bright and brilliant colors that shows up in my costuming choices.
As I think on this I may think of more ways, but as I said at the beginning...cultural affects are deep and often difficult to pin down.
Halleyah :)
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Wed, March 12, 2008 - 7:53 AMWhat an interesting question!!!
I think growing up in a family where my grandfather was a professional musician all his life, my father played piano and sax, my brother played sax since he was 8 years old and has his own band now, I played piano, violin and clarinet, and everybody sang contributed to my interest in music. There was always music in my house. Everything from swing, to classical, to techno. The love of music in general made it easy for me to be interested in Middle Eastern music. The understanding of music theory made it easy for me to get lost in it and be able to do so much with it.
My family is white (German & English), native American, black, and Filipino so having that multicultural background contributed to a curiousity about the world and the desire to travel. I think that made it easy for me to go to Morocco and Egypt and check out the dance scenes first hand. it also made it comfortable for me to mingle with Middle Eastern people here. Because of being everything and nothing, I have rarely felt like an outsider of any group so I am pretty much accepted anywhere.
My mother is an animist and my father is a child of the 60s. Between both those influences, I've been taught that sex is simply natural, so I haven't had any taboos against being sensual, but have had respect for sex. I think that has served me well as a belly dancer when it's so easy to be taken down in the gutter.
My culture as a woman wasn't really fully explored until I became a dancer, so actually dancing helped me to get more into that aspect of my culture.
I think culture is so pervasive that it's hard to really pick out what influences what.
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Wed, March 12, 2008 - 8:36 AMI grew up outside of the US in many largely non-Western cultures, but often in Western/expatriate bubbles within those environments. I am mixed ethnicity and mixed culture (google "TCK" or "CCK"). There are things about me that are distinctly American/Western, and things about me that are absolutely NOT.
For oriental dance or dance in general, I have my own approach to what the dance means to me, and that approach is something that is outside of a cultural boundary -- it's about achieving tarab, and even if that term is Arabic, I think it's a universal idea. Since I myself don't live within any cultural boundaries, I don't really feel that I can cross boundaries (i.e. in the case of appropriation, wherein for example a Caucasian woman would wear a traditional Chinese dress to a party). I do respect the culture and do all I can to understand and be a part of it even if there are things I will never be able to be a part of. I don't feel detached, even to the purest of the pure Egyptian relationships to raqs sharqi. Since my own culture is ephemeral, there are things I won't understand, but I've also spent my life being a chameleon, so it's not a "problem" for me.
I guess for me, my desire to understand world cultures (from having been exposed to so many) manifests in my dance through my appreciation for the true history/meaning/expression/ethnology of the form. I don't just put on a coined girdle and shake my ass around -- there's much more there.
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 11:49 AMI dont't that most Americans have a specific culture so-to-speak.
Not like Latin, European, or middle easter countries have anyway. And I think this makes it harder for some of our musical tastes to mesh w/ traditional BD. Perhaps this is why Fusion styles are becoming so popular now - we as a melting pot are mixing up our own stew.
I do find it easier to get into the rhythms of pop, hip-hop, and some alternative vs. traditional Egyptian music (w/ exception of some modern Egyptian hip-hop, but then it is a hip-hop...)
I find the slower snakey moves difficult for many because we live in such a fast paced society/world. Go, go go is the motto. More to do - but still only so many hours in the day. We multi-task and then forget to take in the sun shining through the clouds or to smell the flower we just sprinted past.
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 3:22 PMWell, certainly we have a culture, though I think most Americans tend to *think* of theirselves as not having a culture--as being part of the melting pot you mentioned. However, that in itself is a part of our culture. Each region, though, will have its own culture. It may not seem as such to you because there is a tendency in our country to think of "culture" as being something exotic. However, for every cultural group, their culture is simply the norm for them. -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 4:16 AMRight, there definitely is an American culture and variations within that big catch all pot. American culture includes Seinfeld, fast food, fast cars, bikinis, spring break, fried chicken, rehab, bein overweight, working out, all kinds of stuff. Just ask a foreigner what they think of when they think of America and you will get an idea of what our stereotyped culture is.
Taaj
www.taaj.org
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 7:00 AMI agree. There is such a thing as "American culture". And most anyone not from here could define it very well. It's very easy to look at your own culture as "not culture" because it is so subconscious and ingrained in you. As Diana said, it's not "exotic" - it's the norm.
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 9:35 AMI am multicultural person in that I have lived in several countries and have friends from all over the world. Being in this situation puts things into a different perspective and makes it difficult to be firmly convinced of what is right and proper and what is wrong, as these things differ in every country. In Japan, for exemple, dancers have a difficult time letting any emotion in their face or looking at the audience. They envy people with curves even though they are often dieting themselves (weight does not effect their curves much, putting on weight would not help)
In Germany people like to be natural, I have met an Australian girl who had never put on make up in her whole life and I taught her how before her first stage performance...
As a German I have a really hard time understanding some of the things discussed here, regarding the scandalousness of armpits, the outrageous naughtiness of certain moves and such.
In places where people don't dance naturally, they can't conceive of something unchoreographed and carefully rehearsed (Japan is one of them, Germany definitely isn't)
But in every country there are many different people, and stereotyping does not always help understanding their character. -
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 10:11 AMBut how does that effect *your* dancing--not that of dancers around you? -
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 11:37 AMHow does my being German affect my dancing? Maybe in the way that I expect people to see into my soul, be interested in my personality, appreciate my taste in music, my expression when I dance and I don't care for very glittery cabaret costumes. I remember going with an American friend to a sheesha bar and watching a BDSS video on the wall, and she went on and on about how these dancers were not fat and that they did not get any folds on their waists from fat under their skin and that she wished, she was like that too when she did that move etcetc. I got totally bored listeing to her as I have never seen dance in this way. For one thing, bellydancers should not be too skinny in the first place, according to the Arabs, and second, I was watching the expressions, whether they fit the moves or the music. I kept complaining about the Hollywood- like glitter and the unsuitable "I am so cool"- disco-smiles and she paid no attention to me either. ; )
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Sat, May 24, 2008 - 10:15 AMI would say it's most often my own attitude about my culture than the culture itself that affects my dance. I did have one teacher who loved to go on & on about how "white girls can't dance"...it was something mentioned at least once in every class & I really did start to buy into it & feel a little defeated.
My family is Irish & I probably don't have to tell you, these are not traditionally a people who live deep down in their bodies in a sensual way. I feel like bellydancing is an opportunity to for me to go beyond the way I was raised and is the best way I've found to really drop into my physical body. I came to the dance with generations of (catholic) baggage I didn't even know I had. I nearly gave it up a few times when I thought I couldn't get past what I was coming up against in myself. I got very lucky and met 2 very different teachers at exactly the right time. I was able to come to the decision that what I have/am is worthy of expression & I hope I continue to feel that way. -
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 7:43 PMReminds me- I once told a friend in Turkey that the Celtic harp looks like a kanoon (Oriental string instrument) standing up. ; ) I heard that the Irish are Celtic people and the Celts came somewhere from the direction of Turkey...(try telling that to your teacher)
I don't see why a teacher would teach students and tell them at the same time that they will never get it because they are white or something. I live in Japan, and Japanese are totally different from Arabs and Turks in temperament, even if there are certain similarities in convoluted behaviour, indirect speaking etc. but many of the Japanese actually get quite good at bellydance, and they are one of the most unsensuous people in daily life that I know. So, i think, anybody who seriously wants to learn a dance can probably do it.
And mind you, I have heard so much of that "I am Argentine/Latin/Mexican/etc., so I have dance in my blood, I can do tango and don't even need any lessons", and it is not true! They have to learn it and work at it like everyone else, even if they have a natural affinity for it. -
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 8:26 PMI checked wikipedia for the origin of the Celts. they lived in Central Europe (Eastern Germany etc.?), and expanded as far as Ireland, Iberia and Galatia, and here is where Galatia was:
"Galatia was bounded on the north by Bithynia and Paphlagonia, on the east by Pontus and Cappadocia, on the south by Cilicia and Lycia, and on the west by Phrygia (constructed originally over Hittite land).
The modern capital of Turkey, Ankara (ancient Ancyra), was also the capital of ancient Galatia. Theta minor is mentioned in the chronicles Galatia." So there! -
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 9:50 PMHaha! Thanks for this. I bet my shimmies are that much better just for having read it ; )
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 10:16 AMI have not been to Ankara but if you want to know what Cappadokia (still!!) looks like, there are some videos visible on my profile. Enjoy. ; ) -
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Fri, May 30, 2008 - 1:46 PMMy belly dancing is influenced not just by tribal and tribal fusion bely dance, it is also inspired by a culture portrayed in a book. The Dune series by Frank Herbert. I am influenced by the Bene Gesserit sisterhood and that is name of the style that I teach and perform. In my oppinion the only limit is your imagination and the world is full of inspriation. Let the fusion begin.
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Re: How does your culture affect your dance?
Sat, May 31, 2008 - 4:44 AMI had to think about this for a few days before I could answer fully. Now that I have I can say that my culture does not influence the way that I dance at all. My life experiences and the direction that I have chosen for myself dictates my capacity as a perfomer far more than my place of birth, my upbringing or my schooling ever could. I've found small things from my culture that I can connect to my perfomer self but they are quite limited. I am all that I have crafted myself to be.
~*Spoon*~