beginning to SUCK to live in???

Dont get me wrong, I love the place, god I even set a whole tribe coz I do.. but just lately Ive been noticing things starting to change.. really quickly and its scaring the pants off me...

Getting to work... the trains are packed, late, cancelled.. expensive! Same with the trams...

Driving, the cost of petrol makes it expensive, its polluting.. but mental if you really need to drive somewhere. It took me an hour to get from the city to St Kilda junction one Friday night. I had to go to an engagement party in Frankston by 7.30. It took me 2 hours to get there and an hour to get back.

The cost of living.. if you use a supermarket (I hate supermarkets they are a shrine to our over consumption as far as Im concerned) you cant walk out of there without spending at least $40! And thats just for bread, milk, eggs etc.. basics. (Thankfully I work near the Vic Market now and can go in my lunchtime)

But housing, housing is the killer for me. One of my friends was told to move out (the owners wanted a city house for when they popped up from the country) and she ended up sleeping in the toilets of a church with her dog. Another friend just had her rent put up by $200 a month and the agents told her the other day that they had already advised her of this in November (she was told it would go up by $40, and never received the documentation) so now according to them she owes back rent as well!!!! Another friend, 16 years in the same place and now getting the boot. Cant find anywhere to live. And now my place is for sale. I have lived here for four years and love it, I have built a life and a community. So now I either have to buy it (she originally told me a price which has now gone up by $50K) so I dont think I can afford it, or I find another place to live!! I just read in the papers yesterday that the vacancy rate in inner city Melbourne is less that 1%!!!!!! Its almost impossible to find anywhere to live and I have a dog!!! Needless to say Im not sleeping all that well.

www.theage.com.au/articles/...82946.html

I dont see how this situation is ever going to improve. There are too many people sucking the planet dry. And things are starting to get nasty even in good old most liveable city Melbourne.

Sorry to be a doomsdayer.
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Smelkstar's Universe
Australia
  • Re: Is it me or recently, is Melbourne...

    Thu, March 20, 2008 - 7:25 PM
    I completely understand your viewpoint, and have been hearing from many people lately how much the rental/housing market sucks these days...I only just moved here in October of 2007, and *really* became familiar enough with my surroundings to be conscious of them just a couple of months ago (and still feel like I have a lot to learn about this place...)

    Frustratingly, public transit and traffic seems to suck *everywhere* these days. It's *always* overcrowded and seems to always be running late. Especially in a city whose economy is *booming* right now, that seems to have drawn an incredible amount of people here in an incredibly short amount of time.

    More people = more crowded = more traffic = less housing = maximum frustration.

    But, that said, having come from Chicago, I'm pretty sure things could be worse. Perhaps I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just having moved here from somewhere I've lived all my life, or perhaps the grass is just greener everywhere else...but here's some differences that I've picked up on from my home town that I've come to know and am learning to love about Melbourne:

    Speaking just of public transit alone, so I've heard (many times) Chicago is supposed to have one of the best public transit systems in the US, if not the world. From personal experience, this has *certainly* not been the case, especially in the past couple of years. City funding for the buses and city trains have been cut and as a result they have eliminated bus routes and run the buses and trains much less frequently. Simple train rides within the city or to the outer suburbs can take a ridiculously long time (and frequently do) due to massive mechanical failures...ooh, and winter transit...standing outside waiting for a train or bus in subzero weather, ankle deep in snow is no picnic, especially with all the insane delays.

    Not to downplay what you are saying *at all* about the public transit here, (as I have been on crowded trams as well, and it is *not* my idea of fun), but on the whole, I've just found the transit systems here to be *way* more enjoyable and regular than back in Chicago...it's actually been a relief. And with the weather being so mild here most of the time, it's no big deal to stand outside waiting for a tram for 10 or 15 minutes.

    Also, as you said in a previous post...riding your bike is *awesome*!!! I ride mine just about everywhere I need to go and it is fantastic. Especially given all the parks and green areas everywhere, most of the time you don't even have to interact with mass transit, crowded streets, and nasty air from car exhaust...to get where you need to go...or is that just me?

    I must agree with you though on the housing front...that does *majorly* suck here and it only seems to be getting worse. My own rent just went up last month. Ugh. I don't know what the solution is to that other than more community style living arrangements. I guess the trade off to having a housing shortage is the fact that the local economy is doing so well, and the unemployment rate is relatively low...but I have heard of some pretty shady things going on within the rental market and how good people are getting screwed...that's just wrong.

    Having only lived here for a few months so far, I've had a chance to see this city from a brand new perspective and have had the wonderful opportunity to do some major introspecting and contemplating of the place(s) I live and my place in them. Good, bad or neutral, I've discovered these things:

    Melbourne is a place where Community is real, alive and a true, positive force. Places like CERES are living examples of that. Generally, I've found people to be friendly, helpful and genuine here. There is *loads* of outdoor green space here!!! And it's possible to be outside, enjoying those green spaces pretty much every day of the year, due to the pretty awesome weather almost all year round. The public transit, while not ideal, is mostly functional and efficent. People are encouraged and supported in riding bikes, conserving water and energy, recycling...etc...Fresh, organic produce and products are available *everywhere*...I'm sure there's more, but you get the idea...

    Again, I don't mean to negate anything you've said here, just trying to offer an alternative perspective. I wonder...is it Melbourne *alone* that sucks lately, or do you think this experience of city living would be replicated in pretty much any major metropolitan city these days?

    Hope this finds you well,

    ~Meagen
    • Re: Is it me or recently, is Melbourne...

      Thu, March 20, 2008 - 9:17 PM
      Hey Smelk, I work near the Vic Market too!

      I heart Melbourne, living in London for 9 years made Melbourne seem a veritable hippy regional diverse earth loving haven. No offense to London but where I lived there weren't even recycling bins and there was an industrial incinerator in Greenwich for disposing of rubbish! And seven million people travelled in and out of London every day on the tube - s e v e n m i l l i o n p e o p l e . . .

      so we're not perfect, and possibly getting worse, but London was worsta!
      • Re: Is it me or recently, is Melbourne...

        Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:12 PM
        I know and I lived in Tokyo for five... where the public transport is amazing..... you know there are as many people in Tokyo as in the whole of Australia, but they still manage to move everyone around. (There were 2 million going through just one station, shinjuku, in Tokyo everyday)

        I was just lying on my bed in the sunshine (god I dont want to move) thinking that how lucky I am, really and Im just getting sucked up into this whole I want more more more more and more! thing that we are all seemingly getting sucked into. Part of the reason we are all in this bind is we just have bought so much crap, and are encouraged daily to buy so much crap.. that we are all over committed financially, so when things shift in the 'economy' people just are screaming blue murder and start clinging tighter to our money and demanding our cut off everything. We have just been living the high life in this country for way to long. We just dont have any perspective on how lucky we are. I just dont want Melbourne to turn into this whole suckhole of a place to live.

        I totally agree with about more community style housing. There isnt actually that much happening around Australia.. you have to do a bit of digging on the web to find stuff... Do you know the land that once was a huge car park opposite CERES, which has now been developed into more horrible mass housing, was the planned site of a community housing project by a bunch of peeps in Melbourne.. not sure what happened but obviously the developers won out.

        members.optusnet.com.au/~cohou...ME.html


        heres a few links that I am also constantly looking at....

        www.bunjil.com.au/index.php

        www.eco.com.au/r_estate/v...e/index.htm

        www.theecovillage.com.au/

        www.ecologicalsolutions.com.au/cr...rs/

        www.kookaburra.eco-village.com.au/

        and this is a really good one..

        www.futureaustralia.net/sustai...llages/

        There are more but I cant find them...
      • Re: Is it me or recently, is Melbourne...

        Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:31 PM
        Don't DIS MELB SMELKSTAR !

        but..

        you're totally right.. :(

        The cost of groceries has gone up and I have had the exact same thoughts as you lots of times recently... this I can live with.. (petrol no longer an issue for me.. but that's pricey too!)

        The train.,. at peak.. sux.. but I seem to be able to dodge them.. I was getting on at Preston - but usually going to Regent (the stop before) - gave me an edge and often got a seat - at Preston is was harder.. at Northcote.. very tricky.. I come in from Box Hill and that is not so bad coming into the city.. but heading out.. at peak.. sardines in a can comes to mind...

        But the housing. The housing is a huge problem. I have seen ebbs and flows in the market for the past 5-6 years which have seen rental spikes and really low vacancy (and vacancy is not a good indicator - length of vacancy is also important in defining a market- a vacancy rate of 5% with the length of vacancy being 12 weeks is a slow market - 5% with the length of vacancy being 3-4 days is a hot one.. but 5% is a high vacancy rate over the last couple of years. A market with a vacancy rate of 20% is good for landlords if the length of vacancy is only a few days..bad for a landlord if the vacancy is 10% but the length of vacancy is a month. Vacancy rate alone needs contextualization) Neither the REIV nor government tracks length of vacancy and how they calculate "vacancy" is a bit sketchy in methodology IMHO). I went from my nice house in Richmond and have after some twists and turns am now in a flat Box Hill - where I am sharing and the rent just went up $60 per month - and is still below market.. The supply of rentals in Melbourne is struggling to meet the demand and Organisations like the Salvos are getting shocked by being approached by homeless "professionals" who cant find a place to live.. Fucking scary. When at Richmond - the owner of a dog living there tried to give her to me (love that dog) but I know it would be a real issue.. so I sadly said no with soggy eyes..

        Housing is (and will grow) as a huge issue. Our population keeps going up - and over the last 30 years our density of living in terns of occupants per house has fallen dramatically (cant give you figure now). A house that used to have 5/6 people in it will now have 2 (the ABBS has stats on it if you want to look it up. Although our density of dwellings is much higher - it has not kept up with these trends.. Recently someone wrote into a local paper talking about all the protests in the City of Boroondara to Camberwell Station and "development" acknowledging protestors concerns - but with a simple statement and question - "I am single, on a limited income and where will I be able to live in 12 months time.. "

        Some people are feeling a mortgage squeeze because they are very exposed with large loans and hence their sensitively to interest rises are greater than say in the late 1980's - but I am really more worried about where the rental market might end up in the next decade..

        The DHS Dept of Housing is still the biggest landlord in the state.. but really they need to get even bigger (or for some other viable solution to be found.. CBD living is only a stop gap ). I actually applied for a job there. but probably sounded a bit too "commercial" for them - they seem to have a "social work" approach.. that is great and important - but providing a roof over someone's head is just, if not more, important than making them feel good.. it is hard to feel good when you are homeless...

        May sound silly - but get a written reference for your dog from the current landlord. I hope you find somewhere to live without too much trouble..
        • Re: Is it me or recently, is Melbourne...

          Fri, March 21, 2008 - 3:47 PM
          yeah but the thing is I work in the city and no matter where I have worked, including in Tokyo, I have made the choice to pay rent to be able to commute by bicycle. Melbourne is just sprawling and most people really don't have that choice. (some have called people like me a lefto whinging yippie priviledge to be able to make a choice such as this, but i have also chosen not to have a lot of other things as well to be able to pay for this). Yeah the public transport system is functional now, but as more and more people are forced to live further and further out of the city and commute, and the price of petrol will continue to go up (Martin Ferguson just labelled the world wide grab for energy the next Cold War), everyone is going to want to jump on public transport. Its already bursting at the seems in the mornings and nights. There has been no forward planning by the Bracks, oh oops... Brumby government... just build more roads. People arent going to be able to afford to drive soon, why not put more money into public transport? I just think we have to start thinking now.
  • Re: Is it me or recently, is Melbourne...

    Sat, April 26, 2008 - 4:47 AM
    I just put a thread into Smelkstar's new tribe.. it is about the Eastern Freeway extension (there is a cool video there) and Melbourne/Oz public transport...

    Have a look.. tribes.tribe.net/australia...4aef1b03e4
    • Re: Is it me or recently, is Melbourne...

      Sat, April 26, 2008 - 5:22 AM
      thanks Bloke!
      • Re: Is it me or recently, is Melbourne...

        Mon, April 28, 2008 - 11:02 PM
        Hi everyone, this is my first post on this tribe. I'm new to melbourne, just arrived here after 8 months travel and living in the UK for 7 years. I have to say, melbourne has changed even after my last visit 18 months ago. Inflation is rising above normal rates, so the costs for services and food etc are well up. the cost of housing is completely disproportionate to peoples wages and doesnt seem to be slowing despite recession and market slow down elsewhere.

        However, for me its still better to be here than London. I've been really welcomed here, found a great flat ( sounds like i was really lucky with this) a job which means i only have to work a few days a week and i also have a nice dog to walk! I'm encouraged by the amount of people who cycle here and i truly think that eco issues are more front of mind than back home (although i here thats changing there now). There is a lot going on here too for a small city and despite gripes about transport, the tram system is pretty good. The government needs to improve the train transport as it really is a problem.

        i reckon we are in for tough times and things will get worse before better. economic pundits are saying there will be a global slow down and a a 1930s type depression. this doesnt sound good and i tend to believe the bad news at the moment as we are going through a time of change, hopefully if we get through it then things will improve for us and we will be forced to change our current social and economic models.

        sounds a bit bleak, but i reckon it will get better eventually.

        thats my 2 pence worth.
        peace.

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