Job Hunting

topic posted Tue, August 28, 2007 - 10:53 PM by 
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A few of us seem to be doing this at the moment...

I am not really “job hunting” but actually considering a career change.. I am thinking of engaging some professional advice – but at this stage - I would not even be able to form compressive questions to put to them. I am more at the “what the f#ck do I do now” phase…

There is a lot of career crap on the internet – but it is exactly that – crap…

Anyone got some good links?????
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  • Re: Job Hunting

    Tue, August 28, 2007 - 10:53 PM
    Maybe I should just buy a book......

    www.newlifenetwork.co.uk/choos...6.html
    • Re: Job Hunting

      Tue, August 28, 2007 - 10:55 PM
      Time For A Change: Seven Things To Consider When Choosing A New Career Path
      July 10, 2007 @ 10:00 am - Written by Trent

      Link where it is in HTML is www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/0...r-path/





      When I was in college, I believed that the biggest factor to choosing a career was whether or not the topic was interesting or not. As time went on, I actually found that just using this one criteria as a primary career consideration wasn’t the brightest idea and I eventually had to go in a completely different direction than where I started out (my initial dream was to be a park ranger).

      Instead, I’d encourage anyone looking at career options to answer these questions in the following order, with the early ones having more importance. I find this list to be even more important to anyone experiencing a quarterlife or midlife crisis, or is simply considering a major career change.

      Does it make you genuinely happy? If you find a job that brings you genuine joy, it is the job that you should be doing, period. Don’t let a lack of money or anything else stand in your way - if it’s something that brings true joy into your life and you wake up in the morning completely invigorated and excited about what you do, you’ll draw success to you and enjoy it all the way. Spend some time soul searching and make sure that this considered career path truly brings you happiness.

      Does it force you to work only in certain areas? For some people, this will seem like a very surprising criteria, but the truth is that if you lock yourself in a career that requires you to live in a specific area, your lifestyle choices and potential career options are somewhat hindered. For instance, when I was younger, nothing sounded more appealing than living in a large city. Then, when I got married and had a family, nothing seemed more appealing than rural life. I have one close friend who is in a very narrow academic field - he has to live in a college town to work - but he’s a staunch conservative and the liberal environments make him really uncomfortable on a daily basis. If your career choice makes you live in a place where you don’t want to live, it is going to sour your entire life. The solution? Look for job openings in that field all over the United States, particularly in places different than where you live.

      Will you have to do things that contradict your personal values? Some people find that area that makes them truly happy, but when they begin to do the job, they find out that there’s political agendas involved or the majority of their time is spent doing paperwork. Ask some people already working in the field what their daily job flow is, or what aspects of their work surprised them compared to their preconceptions.

      Does it pay enough for you to make it financially? This doesn’t mean a high salary. It merely means a survivable salary at first. Can you make it on that salary for a while? Consider all of the other options, too; maybe there’s someone in the area of your starter job that you can live with or share an apartment with, for example.

      Do the extra personal requirements (travel, physical effort, etc.) excite you or stress you? Several years ago, I took a job that felt extremely exciting to me. I was under the impression that it would have travel twice a year, an amount that I was ahppy with. However, less than six months after starting, the person who did most of the traveling quit and his traveling responsibilities fell to me. I found myself going on trips twice a month, something that I personally didn’t like and something that began souring me on a job that I loved. It turned out not to be a permanent situation, but I began to see how added personal requirements could make a great job a lot less great. Know what’s acceptable for you in terms of extra requirements like these and find a job to match.

      Is there room for advancement? Does the job give you the opportunity to move up in responsibility and earn more wages if you want to? This is a key question to ask in any interview, because the actual level of freedom and responsibility that people typically dream of when entering a job isn’t the level they start out with. Make sure you can get there and that there aren’t any hidden obstacles, like education level or experience.

      Is there room for personal growth? To me, this is an incredibly important factor - I want to be able to learn something from the job as well as provide my own expertise. If a job does not add to your skill set, the job isn’t really fulfilling you in every possible way. Look for jobs that have opportunities for more education and a diversity of experiences. If you don’t know, ask

      In a nutshell, during any interview - or even a casual talk with someone about that career path - ask lots of questions. Find out about every aspect of the job that they can divulge. Also, be sure to really know what you want from that path. If you don’t like workplace politics or feel strongly about your beliefs, that may eliminate some avenues immediately. Most of all, never overlook freedom - the freedom to work as many places as possible, the freedom to learn and grow while you work, and the freedom to advance in your career path.
      • Re: Job Hunting

        Tue, August 28, 2007 - 10:57 PM
        This one seemed good too... it is from blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/0...career/ and in html - if it is still there use the link because there were hyperlinks in the article..

        ***Take the pressure off the process of choosing a career ****

        Most of us will change careers. Most young people will change careers at least three times — after they find one, when they are thirty. So work life is really about a series of careers, and we all need to get good at the process of choosing a new career. We all need to get comfortable with the inherent uncertainty during the process.

        Here are nine ways you can make choosing a career less stressful:

        1. Squash perfectionist tendencies and get comfortable in gray areas.
        It’s fine to be lost and not sure what you’re doing, so don’t rush yourself to solve the problem. Maybe you can just look at the problem differently, and it won’t look so bad. And, don’t feel like you need to get the right answer in your hunt for the right career. Being right is not important. Just do your best and see what comes of it.

        2. Don’t wait for a new career to start being creative.
        Every job is creative. Every job presents problems that need solving, and problem solving is a creative act. If what you mean by creativity is that you want to paint with watercolors, then go home at night and do that. Why do you need to get paid to make art? It’s enjoyable and fulfilling and a fine thing to do in your free time, even if you have only fifteen minutes of free time a day. Raymond Carver is famous for writing short, short stories because he didn’t have enough time in the day to write long.

        3. Stop looking for a career to save your life.
        A job is not a life. A job is something to do with your time that is rewarding and fosters personal growth. A career can’t make you happy. Relationships will make you happy. Figure out what you can get from a career and what you can’t. Once you recognize that you will rescue you, not your career, there’s a lot less pressure in the career hunt realm.

        4. Relax about the career choices you make.
        Try something. If you don’t like it, try another thing. There are not rules that say you have to stay in the career you choose. In fact, moving from one career to another at a breakneck pace til you love something might be good for you, and taking ten years to figure something out is fine. The life or death decision is about living below your means. As long as you do this, you have lots of choices in life. If you don’t live below your means, you get stuck in a career.

        5. Don’t wait until you know yourself.
        You never really know yourself. It’s a process. If it’s a precondition for finding a career, then you could be learning about yourself forever and never feel ready to choose a career. Forget the soul-search and just try something. Ironically, the best way to learn about yourself is to do things and see if you like them, so the inactive, soul-searching time is, in some ways, counter-productive. Try testing the waters with a lot of lower risk moves, instead.

        6. Stop choosing dead-end fields.
        All things being equal, you’re better off choosing a career in a field that is growing, not shrinking. Once you identify your talents, focus them on a field that has a future. If you write well, go into interactive marketing — one of the fastest growing fields — and not print journalism, which is in trouble. If you like to help people, go into nursing –huge demand, and not centralized, slow-moving nonprofits, which are falling out of favor with donors.

        7. Don’t overlook the good points of the job you have.
        You can save the world from almost any job, you can shift from a dead end to a hot spot in almost any field, and you can learn and grow if you get good at managing your boss. These are all things you can control. You don’t need a specific career to accomplish these things. So maybe you don’t even need to pick a new career.

        8. Make a lifestyle choice before you make a career choice.
        Figure out what you want your life to look like, and then choose a career that will enable that life. If you don’t know what you want from life, how can you possibly know what you want from a career? What we want from life might change. That’s okay. You have to start somewhere. So figure out what you want, and an try out careers that might give you that. If you change what you want from life, you can change your career.

        9. Talk about yourself the way you want to be.
        To figure out what sort of career will suit you, try talking about yourself like you’re already there and see how it feels. We intuitively know what stories feel right, and we can make a career change more efficiently if we create stories about our process. You might actually surprise yourself by figuring out what you want to do by figuring out what story seems natural to tell.
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          Re: Job Hunting

          Tue, August 28, 2007 - 11:00 PM
          Thanks bloke (concise as ever!) I liked that last one from penny trunk, some good food for thought....hmmm will ponder in my own situation.
          • Re: Job Hunting

            Tue, August 28, 2007 - 11:03 PM
            Hahahaha

            this one was sooooo written for me at blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/0...ething/

            ***Forget the soul search; just do something ****


            When it comes to finding a career, the huge soul search is hugely overrated. At some point – usually much earlier than people think – you should just start doing something. Anything.

            While the soul search is routinely touted in the self-help section of bookstores, it is not the most practical approach. The first problem with the soul search is that it takes forever. Literally. Knowing oneself is not an end game; it is infinite. So there’s no point in waiting until you “know yourself” to pick a career. The other problem with the soul search is that it assumes a soul mate. But with career choice, “there is no one right answer,” says Jennifer Floren, CEO of Experience.com. “The concept that there is one right job for someone is ridiculous.”

            Take the pressure off career decisions by reminding yourself that there are many types of work each person could do and be happy. “People have multiple selves,” writes Herminia Ibarra, a professor of organizational behavior at INSEAD in France. Different jobs will address different parts of ourselves at different periods in our lives. “In any of us there’s a part that’s very pragmatic and there’s a part that’s very creative, and there are times in life when we give more time and space and energy to one side than the other. But if it’s in you, eventually it kind of bubbles up, and it wants some airtime.” No one job can satisfy our whole personality, so stop aiming for that.

            People coming out of college today will change jobs every eighteen months. That’s a lot of jobs, so choosing one is not that big a deal. If you don’t like it, it’ll be over soon. “It’s a waste of energy to focus on the negative consequences of a job search because there’s no such thing as a wrong choice,” says Floren. “Every step of a job search is a good step because you’re going to grow and you’re going to learn more about yourself and the world around you.”

            Another argument for action over analysis is that sticking with the first job you pick is not as beneficial as moving around a bit. So making a choice you don’t like could be good for you. “The trend today is to get a broad perspective from working in different industries. This is a way to build a more layered network that will work for your future,” says Catherine Kaputa, a branding consultant.

            When it comes to career schemes, we simply do not have accurate imaginations about what life will be like for us in different situations, said Daniel Gilbert, professor of psychology at Harvard University, when I interviewed him. Our most accurate information about what will make us happy comes from snooping in on other peoples’ lives to see if they are happy. And the best way to watch other people is to be in a variety of offices. Gilbert calls the informal process of judging other peoples’ happiness “surrogation,” and he says, “surrogation is the best way to predict if we’ll be happy. Observe how happy people are in different situations.”

            So what DO you need to know before you make a decision? Figure out what was bad about the jobs you’ve already had so that you don’t duplicate the problem. Then just start testing the waters – put a toe in the current to see how it feels. Then take a leap, and if you don’t like where you land, reframe your landing pad as just a stepping-stone. And start putting your foot in the water again.

            Gilbert says, “We should have more trust in our own resilience and less confidence in our predictions about how we’ll feel. We should be a bit more humble and a bit more brave.”
  • Re: Job Hunting

    Tue, August 28, 2007 - 11:02 PM
    I'm job hunting..I just want a simple part-time cleaning job or even a bit of retail *sighs*

    I'm a member of this site tinyurl.com/2eda9u

    But still no job.

    I read Tarot, and want to do that from home, made some fliers but no one seems interested where I live.

    All in good time aye!
    • Re: Job Hunting

      Tue, August 28, 2007 - 11:07 PM
      << read Tarot, and want to do that from home, made some fliers but no one seems interested where I live. >>

      Cool ! Can you do it over the internet ? Will I get a good job for $200K a year and only have to work one and a half days a week ? Please tell me - I think I deserve such a job !

      And I liked the quote from Marianne Williamson on your profile - "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. " Too true !!!!

      Welcome to Melbourne !
    • Re: Job Hunting

      Tue, August 28, 2007 - 11:08 PM
      <<I'm a member of this site tinyurl.com/2eda9u>>
      Thank for the link !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      • Re: Job Hunting

        Tue, August 28, 2007 - 11:25 PM
        Oh and your welcome re the link!

        And yeah Marianne Williamson Rocks!!!

        And Thanks I'm loving Melbourne so far!
        • Re: Job Hunting

          Wed, August 29, 2007 - 5:46 PM
          woo hoo... I love that you are loving melbourne!

          I have some unoffically good news on the job front.. got it!
          • Re: Job Hunting

            Wed, August 29, 2007 - 8:13 PM
            OMG Thats fantastic news!!!!

            Congrats!!!!

            tribes.tribe.net/tarotread...orguidance

            Just send me a request to join, and your in ;-)

            But of course if you want a full in person reading just pm me, and next time you visit koowee you could pop in and I can give you a reading from my home.

            The one-on-one readings from home take about an hour are taped and cost $50.00..although I have a special 20% discount in September, and a 20% for tribe members ;-)
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            Re: Job Hunting

            Wed, August 29, 2007 - 8:18 PM
            That's fantastic news Smelk, congratulations!
            • Re: Job Hunting

              Wed, August 29, 2007 - 8:43 PM
              Yes it is great! I just have one stumbling block to get over and everything will be fab. Nothing is ever simple in this life!
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                Re: Job Hunting

                Wed, August 29, 2007 - 8:46 PM
                Is it that they won't pay you enough? Don't let them get away with it Smelk, know your own worth.

                I am still waiting to hear about one of mine, we have been playing phone tag all day, not sure that it's good news really....so am going to keep looking for more, but it's so blaaaaaaaaaaaaaah looking, I know Bloke agrees with me.

                Hey Bloke I have an idea, when I go back to work we are looking for a nanny. Wanna be my new 'manny'?
                • Re: Job Hunting

                  Wed, August 29, 2007 - 10:14 PM
                  Thanks great Smelkstar.. What job was it ???

                  <Hey Bloke I have an idea, when I go back to work we are looking for a nanny. Wanna be my new 'manny'?>>>

                  It depends… will there be nappies ? It said child the owner of many cool toys that I can play with ???
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                    Re: Job Hunting

                    Wed, August 29, 2007 - 10:24 PM
                    There will be nappies.

                    And I am the one with the cool toys.
  • Re: Job Hunting

    Tue, September 4, 2007 - 8:44 PM
    So Gab

    Is there a job I can get paid for doing nothing without going into Politics ?
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      Re: Job Hunting

      Tue, September 11, 2007 - 6:58 PM
      Updating you on my job hunting front. (Cos I know the girls are all off in Red Tent tribe talking about their snatches). I went for another interview today, actually it's only the 2nd real company I've seen, the 1st was my old company who I think I am going to decline. But can you believe this, I was supposed to go and meet 1 woman, and I was presented with 3 men! To top it off I have gastro and spent the whole time trying to convince them I was wonderful while not pooing my pants, not easy.

      So I really want this one, primarily because it was 12 minutes from my house, but also is a good job, they seem a decent bunch of people, the office is nicely decorated....is that enough good reasons? But I think I may have tanked it, their entire years budget was about the size of one of my previous projects...which they mentioned...I wanted to scream "I don't care! Just give me the job so I can finish with these interviews!" don't think it's going to be good news <sigh>
      • Re: Job Hunting

        Tue, September 11, 2007 - 7:16 PM
        <Cos I know the girls are all off in Red Tent tribe talking about their snatches>
        talk for yourself!! lol

        <But I think I may have tanked it, their entire years budget was about the size of one of my previous projects...which they mentioned...I wanted to scream "I don't care! Just give me the job so I can finish with these interviews!" >
        this is usually because they think you will get bored and leave quickly. the only way around it is to explain that you are looking for a career that fits in with your lifestyle (ie, work-life-family balance) not career progression and that can sometimes placate employers....depends on how big their candidate pool is.....generally if you can tick 4 out 5 of their boxes you're in with a chance! Good luck Sandy...interviews do suck.....i hate conducting them more than being the one interviewed though!
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          Re: Job Hunting

          Tue, September 11, 2007 - 7:19 PM
          Fuck I wish I had of read that about two hours ago, I really should have said stuff like that, even though it's a contract position. I've just been so used to talking myself up recently, I think I came across as too scarey and success driven. I'm not, I'm equally happy to fail! ha ha
          • Re: Job Hunting

            Tue, September 11, 2007 - 7:33 PM
            Why not ring them up this arvo and tell them (the person making the decision) that you were really impressed with them and that you just wanted to know how much the job fits with you living nearby to home and your kids ?

            Do woman here think that employers see being a mum as an obstacle ? Or should this question be in the pussy tribe ?

            Why not ring them up and tell them how keen you are to work for them ? I have done this in my *cough* industry and it got me work ...
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              Re: Job Hunting

              Tue, September 11, 2007 - 7:52 PM
              Fuck I wish I had read that post 20 minutes ago! I just spoke to the agent (who is my go-between for the person making the decision) and told her, I liked it, but that I thought they may have had reservations. She is going to find out for me today or tomorrow.....

              (and I should have sounded more like a team player...rather than a megelomaniac, probably shouldn't have worn the black suit either...oh well all good interview practice. One of the guys was a knob too, had a pencil up his arse or something)

              Yes I believe employers see being mum as an obstacle, I am surprised at how difficult it has been to get back into the workplace for me after a break. But actually I think it's the break more than being a mum....we'll see
              • Re: Job Hunting

                Tue, September 11, 2007 - 8:12 PM
                The black suit would've been fine for any corporate environment....although never take your jacket off - they see that as rude and being too casual. If the position is time-consuming then most mums wouldn't be the ideal candidate (unless it was made clear that there is a full-time carer looking after the kids)....most companies with an attitude against mums have a problem with women in general and the babies are just a symptom of that - your recruiter will steer you clear of them anyway. I think you are right in your assessment that it is the break in work more than being a mum. This isn't such a problem in other industries but with you if tehnology has progressed since you were last employed then that could be the issue....may limit your options somewhat.
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                  Re: Job Hunting

                  Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:45 PM
                  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

                  Just got a call they want me back for a 2nd interview. whoopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

                  okay now back to my writing...dirty stuff

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