To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

topic posted Tue, July 11, 2006 - 8:23 AM by  Bess
I now know (generally) when two of the ladies who portrayed Queen Elizabeth I reigned over the Agoura Fairesite:

Peg Long: 75 - 79 (80?)
Luisa Puig: (80?)79 - 92

However, according to what I know of Faire history, the time frame of 1962-1975 still needs to be filled in as far as who ruled as Queen.

Gail is tossing out hints and such, but I was never good at guessing games and have only worked Faire under Luisa and now Gay Linn. And, honestly back in my boothie days at Agoura I didn't care to know who played Queen, all that mattered was she was the Queen and as a peasant, I needed to act accordingly. But my history bug has bitten and I think it would be cool to know as much of the hisotry of this first historical reenactment for the public event as I can.
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Bess
Los Angeles
  • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

    Tue, July 11, 2006 - 9:42 AM
    Peg Long was preceded by Julie Meredith, who reigned when I first came to Agoura in the 60's---there had been at least one before her, maybe two. One of those was an LA actress and visual artist named Rachel Rosenthal who went through life with a shaven head in the 50's and early 60's (I think she may still be living, I saw her on Frasier for an episode). Famously eccentric Julie Meredith still has a booth at Dickens, but is not generally visible. Peg of course is gone, and Luisa is Luisa.
    • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

      Tue, July 11, 2006 - 9:59 AM
      Thanks!
      So the timeline would be something like:

      Rachel Rosenthal ??-??
      Julie Meredith ??-1975
      Peg Long 1975-1979 (80 depending on who you talk to, I know there's some disagreement here)
      Luisa Puig 1979 (80 depending) - 1992
      • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

        Thu, July 13, 2006 - 1:39 PM
        Response to Bess, 11 July and asside to Noel:

        By George, I think you've got it! Now all you need do is confirm Rachel Rosenthal (whom I don't know but the name rings a bell) time, if at all! *)

        And, I believe you are correct, Noel. I remember, as well, the little flag with the mirror. But, in my estimation, I wouldn't call it "stalking" You're too good for that!
        • Furthering the timeline, I'm quoting from an e-mail Luisa sent to the St. George group about two years ago. It's sort of "public domain," so I'm sure Luisa won't mind me reprinting it.

          The song in question is "Long May She Reign (In Majesty Glorious)" and Luisa was responding to someone who was asking after its origin. In the course of that response, she gave some dates certain with regard to who occupied the QE1 spot at the time:

          Quote follows:

          <<As for the song, "Long May She Reign," I know he (Scott Beach) wrote the lyrics especially for Ron & Phyllis Patterson's Faire, but I do NOT think is older than 1975, (though I may be wrong) because Scott was also a close friend of Peg Long and a huge fan of her portrayal of Queen Elizabeth I. OTOH, I was onstage during the RPFS73 Queen's Show (as a supernumerary) and watched the RPFS74 show every day and do NOT recall that song at all. Now, those latter two years were also Julie Meredith's last faires playing the part of QER-I, and I think the song LMSR was intended to "break away" from the old show while also establishing a "new tradition" for the Faire, so that's pretty much how I go about "dating" it at 1975.>> end of quote

          Luisa's recollection fits perfectly with my recollection of that period. I was at RPFS in 1975. Patrick Duffy, Samantha Johns, et al. were in place, Peg was QE1.

          Taking it back a bit further, I was a map passer/information booth slut/volunteer for Beth Bagwell (Gillian's mom and Dick's ex) during 1974 & 1975. I vividly recall that most of the promo material contained pictures of Julie Meredith and clients/turkeys (now there's a word you don't hear anymore--the royal birds) would always comment that the QE1 in the booklet was not the one at the Faire. And I think that was 1974 and 1975.

          So that would mean Julie's last RPFS was 1974, Peg started at RPFN in fall of 1974 and continued her stint at RPFS in 1975.....

          Another e-mail from Luisa confirms that sequence.

          Not sure if any of this is true.

          In response to the RPFS vs. RPFN, so much of it is one and the same, especially insofar as Court was concerned. Peg was entertainment director and QE1. So it's hard to get the history right without dealing with both Faires as a unit. To further confuse things, Dickens was in the middle of all of this, so it was a 24/7/356 Faire thing in those days, with a lot of the same folks doing double duty. David Springhorn was even Mr. Fezziwig for a bit!

          Noel G.

          Whew!!!!!
          • Thank you for sharing that, Noel.
            Wonderful stuff! :-)
            • For those unfamilar with the origins of the tune, it's from a little folk ditty called "Go to Joan Glover".
              www.pbm.com/~lindahl/rav...n_glouer.html
              • Tune of LMSR

                Thu, July 13, 2006 - 3:32 PM
                Excellent!!! Of course Mr. Rydell comes through like a champ (again!)

                On that subject, Luisa wrote:

                <<As for the tune, well let's put it this way: Scott was a great believer in great music, and if it was an "old ayre from bygone days" (as much as the music is at Renaissance Faires), and there was no one to hassle anybody about royalties and rights, then "gee, whiz" why not recycle the tune and "firk" new lyrics to it?>>

                <<As many of you classical listerners online know full well, quite a few past and modern music lines are lifted by later composers and "modified" perhaps a little bit. Indeed, just the other day I was listening to the tune of "Danny Boy" but the contemporary popular "arteest" (sound it out) was just repeating "You lift me up! <yada-yada-yada> over and over. Gosh, that just about drove me....but I digress>> end quote from Luisa

                I guess that's what these forums are all about. Share a little, learn some, build on that, share some more, learn some more....

                Sort of like the old Faire days when we would steal from each other constantly, all in the spirit of....hmmmm, "good fun?" LOL

                Thanks Rydell again for that.

                BTW, what became of of "Downward Dudes are Dandy?"
          • To Noel G:

            Well, that's a "blast from the past!" Mr. G, you just mentioned some names I haven't heard in nearly 30 years!

            You summed up 18 years of my life in one package! Timelines are funny things, all. Each person has their own "recollection" of events, and together, can put together the whole of it! Don't you just hate "public domain"? As was stated, back a bit further (I believe it was in one of the quotes from Miss L) there was a time, many, many,many,many,(etc, etc) years ago, when it didn't matter "who took what and put their own lyrics to it".

            Let us take, for example, 'Yankee Doodle'..........an old Engilish Drinking Song. One would wonder how many time said drinking song was used by how many others.

            Thank you for your precise insight to the strange (strained) world of QER I "ala Ren Faire" There are so many stories on the "origin" of things! I didn't think anyone remembered that Peg was the "entertainment director".

            Back to 'Timelines'.............ok, I've not been to Faire in 15 years..............who is Gaylin, and is she doing South AND North? Are the two (North and South) still "one unit, kworking together? Does anyone know "what happend to.........?" We now know the 'QER Timeline' (or so it seems) except to decipher the 'Rachel' part.

            Inquiring minds want to know! *)
            • GayLinn is the lovely lady who is currently playing Elizabeth I at Southern and now at the California Renaissance Faire in the Lake Elsinore area this fall.

              I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, a lovely lady named Dre is playing Elizabeth I at Northern aka Casa de Fruta. Dre is a member and former guildmistress of Southern Court and protrayed Elizabeth I on school days in the past.

              You used Yankee Doodle as your example of a lyric switch on a tune. I figured you'd use our National Anthem which was also written to an English Drinking tune.
    • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

      Tue, July 11, 2006 - 5:52 PM
      A side note;
      I didn't know Rachel Rosenthal played the queen at the faire. I wasn't into the faire at that time, and never heard of her connection to it until now.
      I met Rachel Rosenthal and her husband, King Moody (the original Ronald MacDonald!) in the fall of 1975 when ,while attending Pierce College, I answered a call for an audition for their acting troupe. I made it and had a memorable experiance with them...they were indeed incredable people. But I was with them only for a short time, alack and alas.
      This is bringing up some wonderful long forgotten memories.
      • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

        Tue, July 11, 2006 - 9:38 PM
        Lets not forget Athena.
        • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

          Wed, July 12, 2006 - 6:43 AM
          Do you mean, Athene? Or is this another woman who came before Rachel or between Rachel and Julie.
          Since this is the Agoura tribe and Luisa went to Devore, I stopped the timeline there.
          • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

            Fri, July 14, 2006 - 2:06 PM
            Athene Mahalikis portrayed Elizabeth I beginning in 1990. It was my first year at Southern. Luisa had stepped down as she was then carrying her son Anton.

            Athene was in my estimation a fantastic portrayal of QEI, not to diminish the portrayals of any of our other fabulous Divas at all. I just remember that on her last day, when she finished progress, practically the entire fair showed up backstage to give her a send off. Suddenly we looked up and thought, who is entertaining the customers? and we all ran back out....
            • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

              Fri, July 14, 2006 - 7:04 PM
              To Dominic:

              Was this NPFS, 1990? I did my last year, at Southern Court, in Spring 1990. I was pregnant with my son, who was born 19 November 1990. Luisa was still portraying the Queen. I could be wrong............but that's the way I recall it. Let me know.
      • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

        Wed, July 12, 2006 - 4:23 PM
        Coming to think on't, I think King Moody may have been involved with early faires, too---something to ask Phyllis about. There was something called Instant Theatre in those days, a kind of beatnik revival of commedia or the forerunner of shows like the Groundlings or Second City. I think Phyllis and Ron were part of it, at some point, along with Judy Kory and maybe Rachel and King Moody. My recollection is a little hazy, though.
        • Re: To swipe from my RPFS tribe post (QE I):

          Wed, July 12, 2006 - 4:29 PM
          Here is something about Rachel Rosenthal:
          .
          www.rachelrosenthal.org/highperf.html
          • Queens' History....

            Thu, July 13, 2006 - 8:19 AM
            Just looking at an e-mail from Luisa and my friend Sean (one of the early Patrick Duffy folks).

            I think Peg might have started in RPFN in 1974, and then she, Duffy, Sam, Tracy, David, et al. sort of swooped in on RPFS in 1975 and hijacked Court away from the Southerners. Gail could verify that. I was stalking Court in RPFS 1975, and I remember Peg was in place, with Patrick leading the pack. Dundii was still around at that point.

            So that leaves RPFS 1974 up for grabs. It's way out of my line of vision.

            On a related note, Luisa was Queen in fall of 1979 as Rydell reports.

            After 1979, as I've mentioned, I fall off the end of the world.

            Noel G.
            • Re: Queens' History....

              Thu, July 13, 2006 - 8:28 AM
              I think the point needs to be as to north or south....This is Southern info... Peg was Queen when I started 1979... I am 99.9 she was in 1980 also, though I havent found the pictures yet and I do know exactly why and when, but again, I have to find the pictures to check, cause they actually used to print the month and year on the back of prints... makes life so much easier when you have to go back and date, unless of course you get them printed a long time after you take them, but that is another story *lol*

              When I went up north visiting or working 1 year only.... I went and visited at court, but worked cuthberts and so didnt see who was queen. And before that I went up with Ekkk *players* and didnt really pay attention to the queen...
              • Re: Queens' History....

                Thu, July 13, 2006 - 8:36 AM
                That makes sense. I think Mr. P mentioned earlier that Peg had surgery and that she was out for fall RPFN 1979 (replaced up North by Luisa) and could well have returned for one last go in RPFS 1980.
                • Re: Queens' History....

                  Thu, July 13, 2006 - 6:18 PM
                  <<That makes sense. I think Mr. P mentioned earlier that Peg had surgery and that she was out for fall RPFN 1979 (replaced up North by Luisa) and could well have returned for one last go in RPFS 1980.>>

                  I think that's right. I remember having a picture of Peg as QE1 somewhere, taken in Agoura around 1980 when I had just returned to working faire after a period only visiting.
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                    Re: Queens' History....

                    Fri, July 14, 2006 - 7:48 PM
                    Ok, I wan't there, but thanks to Matt posting a program from 1966 in another thread,

                    dragondance.com/faire/broc.../index.html

                    The program does NOT mention the Queen at all. The "Opening Procession and Grand Ceremonials" list the Lord High Mayor and the village abbot as the highest ranking officials present.

                    They do mention crowning a may queen, who they appear to have chosen from the crowd, but I don't see Liz anywhere.
                • Re: Queens' History....

                  Wed, December 5, 2007 - 8:46 PM
                  Peg was there in 1980 at southern and I have the pictures.
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                    Re: Queens' History....

                    Wed, December 5, 2007 - 8:56 PM
                    after Peg no longer worked for Entertainment, she worked at the games booth as a cook. We used to have lunch every day when I was doing innyard atthat time...right next door. squizz!

                    Then she and Dennis and Ernie and Doris all had a jelly and jam booth. I used to bring Dennis the Cumquats for the marmalade.

                    Lee, Peg was removed very cruelly, I was present with her that day, and it was among the worst I have ever lived.
                    Somehow we all agreed, as she asked us to do, to continue the show without her, otherwise the show would have come to a halt.

                    Somehow when we have a chance to visit with each other, when I can maybe shed a tear on your shoulder... i will gladly tell what I know of the tale.
                    • Re: Queens' History....

                      Thu, December 6, 2007 - 8:01 AM
                      <<Lee, Peg was removed very cruelly, I was present with her that day, and it was among the worst I have ever lived. >>

                      Dates? Times? Relative ages? Locations? RPFN or RPFS? Not a lot of this is making much sense to me.

                      Catt, you would have been 12-16 during the period 1976-1979, right? You were stage managing at 16? A paying gig? Jeeze, girl, you must have had some fierce chops to get any money out of the Faire folks at your tender age. You go!

                      I get soooo confused by all of this. I remember a much more orderly transition from Peg to Luisa, handled by those two great ladies with much decorum and continuity (for the Court's sake, if nothing else. There was the potential for leaving Luisa with a huge mess to deal with if the transition was not handled well by Peg). Although there was a lot of shit bubbling along in the background for Peg.

                      Danese, relative age during this period????

                      Rydell, you were just a baby in 1979 if you're 41 now.

                      Morgan, I think you and I are a year apart.

                      In the interests of full disclosure, I'm 49 (April baby) and from 1976-1979 I was 18-22.

                      Not that age matters, but there seems to be some collapsing of time going on here with a lot of 80s info drifting back into my time period. It happens, but it's very confusing for me to fit these pieces together into the picture I researched pretty ferociously.

                      As I've said before: I'm lucky. I did a very limited number of things for a very limited period of time, so it's relatively easy for me to fit things into slots.

                      Just my two cents' worth.
                      • Re: Queens' History....

                        Thu, December 6, 2007 - 8:11 AM
                        I was a laddy (13-ish), but I listened alot and my memories before my time are made up of other people's memories (however subject to unreliability they may be). This is the first I ever heard of Peg being forcibly canned, though. I'm fascinated.
                        • Re: Queens' History....

                          Thu, December 6, 2007 - 8:34 AM
                          I sorta remeber she was, the imbibing issue, but as said in other places, it didn't effect the lower and farther guilds/groups such as street entertainment, as we were called.. Under Judy..I cant remember when we became Helena's, the years blend... I could ask Kathy, she would know also since she was out in front running from god save the queen spot to spot.. If anyone wants me to dig father I can get a hold of her and ask what she rembers.. and can tell in an open forum ;-)