Geurrilla Education in Response to 'Apocalypto'

topic posted Fri, December 8, 2006 - 2:09 AM by  Psi
Geurrilla Education in Response to 'Apocalypto'
topic posted in Year 2012 tribe, Wed, December 6, 2006 - 4:39 PM by TreeFrog

It has been brought to the attention of this tribe that the Hollywood movie 'Apocalypto' soon to be released is a serious misrepresentation of the Maya and their heritage. I plan to print out a bunch of copies of the following article and distribute them at my local movie theatres this weekend (and perhaps beyond) & encourage others who feel similarly to do the same if they wish.

thanks to Hoopes for providing this link
www.archaeology.org/online/r...ypto.html


Is "Apocalypto" Pornography? December 5, 2006
by Traci Ardren

A scholar challenges Mel Gibson's use of the ancient Maya culture as a metaphor for his vision of today's world.

Traci Ardren, an assistant professor of anthropology at the University of Miami, knows the Maya well. She has studied Classic Maya society for over 20 years while living in the modern Maya villages of Yaxuna, Chunchucmil, and Espita in the Mexican state of Yucatan. Her credentials include contributing to and editing Ancient Maya Women (2002) and The Social Experience of Childhood in Ancient Mesoamerica (2006). Ardren's reaction to the new film "Apocalypto," follows. Scholars are well aware that some aspects of Maya culture were violent, but Ardren finds fault with what she sees as a pervasive colonial attitude in the film.

With great trepidation I went to an advance screening of "Apocalypto" last night in Miami. No one really expects historical dramas to be accurate, so I was not so much concerned with whether or not the film would accurately represent what we know of Classic period Maya history as I was concerned about the message Mel Gibson wanted to convey through the film. After Jared Diamond's best-selling book Collapse, it has become fashionable to use the so-called Maya collapse as a metaphor for Western society's environmental and political excesses. Setting aside the fact that the Maya lived for more than a thousand years in a fragile tropical environment before their cities were abandoned, while here in the U.S, we have polluted our urban environments in less than 200, I anticipated a heavy-handed cautionary tale wrapped up in Native American costume.

What I saw was much worse than this. The thrill of hearing melodic Yucatec Maya spoken by familiar faces (although the five lead actors are not Yucatec Maya but other talented Native American actors) during the first ten minutes of the movie is swiftly and brutally replaced with stomach churning panic at the graphic Maya-on-Maya violence depicted in a village raid scene of nearly 15 minutes. From then on the entire movie never ceases to utilize every possible excuse to depict more violence. It is unrelenting. Our hero, Jaguar Paw, played by the charismatic Cree actor Rudy Youngblood, has one hellavuh bad couple of days. Captured for sacrifice, forced to march to the putrid city nearby, he endures every tropical jungle attack conceivable and that is after he escapes the relentless brutality of the elites. I am told this part of the movie is completely derivative of the 1966 film "The Naked Prey." Pure action flick, with one ridiculous encounter after another, filmed beautifully in the way that only Hollywood blockbusters can afford, this is the part of the movie that will draw in audiences and demonstrates Gibson's skill as a cinematic storyteller.

But I find the visual appeal of the film one of the most disturbing aspects of "Apocalypto." The jungles of Veracruz and Costa Rica have never looked better, the masked priests on the temple jump right off a Classic Maya vase, and the people are gorgeous. The fact that this film was made in Mexico and filmed in the Yucatec Maya language coupled with its visual appeal makes it all the more dangerous. It looks authentic; viewers will be captivated by the crazy, exotic mess of the city and the howler monkeys in the jungle. And who really cares that the Maya were not living in cities when the Spanish arrived? Yes, Gibson includes the arrival of clearly Christian missionaries (these guys are too clean to be conquistadors) in the last five minutes of the story (in the real world the Spanish arrived 300 years after the last Maya city was abandoned). It is one of the few calm moments in an otherwise aggressively paced film. The message? The end is near and the savior has come. Gibson's efforts at authenticity of location and language might, for some viewers, mask his blatantly colonial message that the Maya needed saving because they were rotten at the core. Using the decline of Classic urbanism as his backdrop, Gibson communicates that there was absolutely nothing redeemable about Maya culture, especially elite culture which is depicted as a disgusting feast of blood and excess.

Before anyone thinks I have forgotten my Metamusel this morning, I am not a compulsively politically correct type who sees the Maya as the epitome of goodness and light. I know the Maya practiced brutal violence upon one another, and I have studied child sacrifice during the Classic period. But in "Apocalypto," no mention is made of the achievements in science and art, the profound spirituality and connection to agricultural cycles, or the engineering feats of Maya cities. Instead, Gibson replays, in glorious big-budget technicolor, an offensive and racist notion that Maya people were brutal to one another long before the arrival of Europeans and thus they deserve, in fact they needed, rescue. This same idea was used for 500 years to justify the subjugation of Maya people and it has been thoroughly deconstructed and rejected by Maya intellectuals and community leaders throughout the Maya area today. In fact, Maya intellectuals have demonstrated convincingly that such ideas were manipulated by the Guatemalan army to justify the genocidal civil war of the 1970-1990s. To see this same trope about who indigenous people were (and are today?) used as the basis for entertainment (and I use the term loosely) is truly embarrassing. How can we continue to produce such one-sided and clearly exploitative messages about the indigenous people of the New World?

I loved Gibson's film "Braveheart," I really did. But there is something very different about portraying a group of people, who are now recovering from 500 years of colonization, as violent and brutal. These are people who are living with the very real effects of persistent racism that at its heart sees them as less than human. To think that a movie about the 1,000 ways a Maya can kill a Maya--when only 10 years ago Maya people were systematically being exterminated in Guatemala just for being Maya--is in any way okay, entertaining, or helpful is the epitome of a Western fantasy of supremacy that I find sad and ultimately pornographic. It is surely no surprise that "Apolcalypto" has very little to do with Maya culture and instead is Gibson's comment on the excesses he perceives in modern Western society. I just wish he had been honest enough to say this. Instead he has created a beautiful and disturbing portrait that satisfies his need for comment but does violence to one of the most impressive of Native American cultures.

Traci Ardren is an assistant professor of anthropology at the University of Miami.


© 2006 by the Archaeological Institute of America
www.archaeology.org/online/rev...alypto.html
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  • Re: Geurrilla Education in Response to 'Apocalypto'

    Fri, December 8, 2006 - 7:46 PM
    Hey Psi... I will be checking out the movie tomorrow... I hassve a feeling that it wont be a near representation of the Maya's wisdom...
    The only movie I can say that had a valid representation of some of the Maya's spirituality is called, "Chac"-"the rain god"...
    The language spoken was in Mayan with spanish subtitles...
  • Re: Geurrilla Education in Response to 'Apocalypto'

    Sun, December 10, 2006 - 1:16 AM
    So I checked out the movie today...One thing I got to say is that they only show a tiny part of the Mayan civilization/culture...Yes, there is more to the Mayan culture that was not showed...maybe someone can think of making a movie that shows their great knowledge and wisdom in regards to astronomy, math, calendar..etc...
    I do have to say that violence has existed for thousands of years..this is how empires were formed. The same that this country is trying to accomplish by moving into other countries!
    I do believe that other positive aspects of the Mayan civilization should be shared with people. I would like to see a movie like this in the future!!
    • Re: Geurrilla Education in Response to 'Apocalypto'

      Sun, December 10, 2006 - 8:35 AM
      Actually I had myself prepared for much more violence from the movie so what "violence" there was didnt really bother me. Anyway it seems that violence has meant survival for all of us as humans of all cultures. Yes, I would like to see and better understand more examples of the knowledge and wisdom. Also their interest in the planets and stars. This movie just seemed like a dramatic day in the life of a young man and his family during this time. Its just a snapshot, a second of the overall culture that was presented. It would take many movies to describe this culture. I enjoyed the movie a lot. To me the Mayan culture depicted in this film doesnt necessarily portray a need to save them somehow as implied in the original article in this thread, but I simply saw a culture, surviving thru violence and conquering other tribes, and sure, doing human sacrifice...If that was an expression of this cultures spiritual beliefs, then I accept that for what it was. It didnt feel one sided or exploitive to me... I think the lady who wrote that article just needs to chill out...that was then, this is now... If I'm missing something here, someone please explain...
      • Re: Another Response to 'Apocalypto'

        Sun, December 10, 2006 - 3:48 PM

        My Personal Review of ‘Apocalypto’ by Mitch Battros - ECM/ECTV

        There are generally two distinct perspectives of the Mayan culture. One is a culture of an astronomically advanced society with a bewildering understanding of the sky and universe. Also of a spiritually focused community with a passion of stewardship to “Gaia” or Mother Earth…as with many indigenous tribes.

        The second view of the Mayan culture is of a savage backward people. A society of evil worship and human sacrifice. This view also believes the Maya were wasteful stupid people quickly devouring their surroundings and leading to their demise.

        Mel Gibson has gone full throttle into the second view of the Maya. So much so, towards the end of the movie we see the Spanish ships docking on the shores of perhaps Guatemala or Belize . The Spanish Inquisition had begun its toll on the Yucatan .

        This movie is filled with blood, and guts, and beheadings, and cutting out hearts, and torture, and everything for those who love this stuff will just have to see. Okay fine; go see it---But please remember this is HOLLYWOOD , not fact. I fear people will come away from this filth thinking they have an accurate depiction of history.

        Gibson’s disdain for anything other than his slant on Christianity comes blasting through with a conscious intent to sabotage all spiritual beliefs----except his own of course. At one time I felt sorry for this knucklehead when he was charged with a DUI and jailed. And who could forget his spewing of anti-Semite Jew hating babble. Now I realize he just doesn’t hate Jews, he hates everybody who isn’t Christian. Not just Christian, but “his kind of Christian”.

        This movie put a sour taste in my mouth, and sadness in my heart. Those who are less educated about this culture will actually “cheer” when they see the Spanish vessels arrive off shore. Of course the movie ends there not giving the story of what happened next.

        The Spanish Inquisition was led by Diego de Landa Calderón (1524 – 1579) and was Bishop of Yucatán. Landa's Inquisition showered a level of physical abuse upon the indigenous Maya that many viewed as excessive, and was at the very least unusual. Scores of Maya nobles were jailed pending interrogation, and large numbers of Maya nobles and commoners were subjected to examination under "hoisting." During hoisting, a victim's hands were bound and looped over an extended line that was then raised until the victim's entire body was suspended in the air. Often, stone weights were added to the ankles or lashes applied to the back during interrogation.

        Some contemporary observers were troubled by this widespread use of torture. Crown fiat had earlier exempted indigenous peoples from the authority of the Inquisition, on the grounds that their understanding of Christianity was "too childish" to be held culpable for heresies. Additionally, Landa dispensed with much of the extensive formal procedure and documentation that accompanied Spanish torture and interrogation.

        Landa defended his actions by arguing that in the process of rooting out idolatry, he had discovered evidence of human sacrifice. One of the alleged victims, Mani encomendero Dasbatés, was even found later to be alive.

        Landa was sent back to Spain by Bishop Toral, to stand trial for conducting an illegal Inquisition. His actions were strongly condemned before the Council of the Indies . This resulted in a "committee of doctors" being commissioned to investigate Landa's alleged crimes. In 1569 the committee absolved Landa of his crimes. Bishop Toral died in Mexico in 1571, allowing King Phillip II of Spain to appoint Landa as the fourth-appointed bishop of Yucatán.

        Mel Gibson you should be ashamed of yourself. Maybe this is why you went on a binder after some years of sobriety. Living a lie, and worse yet, fueling the flames of prejudice, I can better understand why the taste and effect of beer and liquor was just too tempting.
        • Re: Another Response to 'Apocalypto'

          Sun, December 10, 2006 - 4:08 PM
          Of course the views of the film are not mine, because I have not seen it and will not for a while yet (UK), but I have seen trailers and get the gist, and I do have opinions about the subjects and material included. This is why I listen to and read the reviews.
          Everyone is welcome to opinions about anything, but not welcome to change facts about what actually happened.
          As I have repeatedly pointed out in Tribe, there is much about the consensus views of history and archaeology that have been manipulated to present certain specific views about how human culture should be. Those who attempt to control and coerce have used education and other ways to often dramatically alter many peoples' perceptions. It is absolutely the responsibility of all of us who have incovered information about ways that stories have been changed to re-present the original information. Planetary Elders have been working very hard at this for a long time and they deserve alot of respect for holding out against huge odds.
          In my view the education system and the media are not to be trusted simply because they are definitely controlled by the global elite and have definitely been used to manipulate and deceive the majority of humanity. There is overwhelming evidence for this and much more.
          What is very clear is that all cultures have been abused. Mine was ravaged 2000 years ago, and our lands were repeatedly cleared of the forests to remove the people from nature and enslave us into a deeply divisive and oppressive system. Many lies are being told about what happened within the education system and media, yet some are ensuring that the oral traditions and sacred aspect are kept alive.

          We humans WILL sit again in the Circle of Hearts, and we WILL unite in OneHeart, One Mind, One Body, once again, and these things WILL happen inspite of the elite and their agendas. If the prophecies are correct, those who oppose the coming Age of Flowers will be removed from the planet, leaving the 'Children of the Earth to realise their true mission.

          Aho Mitakuye Oyasin
          Ometeotl
          Blessed Be
          • Re: Another Response to 'Apocalypto'

            Tue, December 19, 2006 - 5:01 AM
            En Lak Ech – You Are the Other Me

            by Luis J. Rodriguez. Author of Always Running: La Vida Loca, Gang Days in L.A. and several other books in short fiction, children’s literature, nonfiction, and poetry. Co-founder of Tia Chucha’s Cafe Cultural in Sylmar, CA. (Via the RockRap newsletter.)

            Once in 2001 while on a two-week speaking tour of schools, Boys & Girls clubs, colleges, and other venues in the state of Delaware, I heard a strange but familiar language. As I washed clothes at a local Laundromat in Georgetown, I noticed about a dozen dark-skinned indigenous men and women addressing themselves in a tongue I recognized as Mayan. It turned out that several hundred Mayan families from Guatemala had migrated here to work in produce, factory, and service jobs.

            The following weekend after a church service, I addressed around 300 of these migrants who were then calling the area around Georgetown their home. In my travels as a writer, lecturer, and poet, I’ve met other Native Mexican and Native Central American migrants, including Nahuatl-speaking people from Puebla, Guerrero, Veracruz, and El Salvador; Mixtecos and Zapotecos from Oaxaca; and Yaquis, Huicholes, and Raramuris from northern and central Mexico. There are in fact millions of native-speaking people (many don’t speak Spanish very well) from south of the border now living and working in the United States.

            One organization, EcoMaya Festivals based in Los Angeles, claims there are around two million Mayans from Mexico and Central America in the greater LA area alone. I don’t have actual numbers, but I would say indigenous people from those countries now outnumber the official Native American population (currently at around 3 million people).

            Among many Chicanos (US-born or raised persons of Mexican descent) there has been a long history of consciousness and connection to tribal/native roots. Today you see Aztec dance groups in Pow Wows and other community gatherings; Day of the Dead altars and processions sprouting around the country; and Nahuatl (known as the language the Aztecs and other tribal groups spoke, currently in use by 1.5 million people in Mexico) being taught in schools and community centers.

            Many Chicanos have also linked with Native American communities and their ceremonies such as sweat lodges and the Sundance, including with the Lakota, Navajo, Hopis, Chumash, and Pueblos. In the US Southwest, intermarriages and alliances between Chicanos and Native Americans have been going on for generations.

            Mayan sayings like En Lak Ech are being used by poets and in greetings – this particular expression means “you are the other me.” Implicit in this is what these native peoples carry over to this country – a fascinating and complicated, yet accessible, way of being, living and relating. Another cosmology.

            As for me, I have spent about a dozen years linking to my own Native roots as well as studying and practicing indigenous spiritual traditions from the United States, Mexico, and Central America. My mother has family ties to the Raramuri from southern Chihuahua (also known as “Tarahumaras”). My father comes from a large Nahuatl-speaking area in Guerrero that also had significant numbers of former African slaves and Spanish ranchers. I’ve visited the Copper Canyon region of Chihuahua where some 80,000 Raramuri people still live in relatively traditional ways, using their own languages and customs. My wife Trini and I also helped create sweat lodges in our present home community in the San Fernando Valley – and Tia Chucha’s Café & Bookstore has a large section on indigenous books, including Nahuatl-English dictionaries.

            Around 10 years ago, a Navajo medicine man, Anthony Lee, and his wife Delores adopted our family; we’ve been driving to the Navajo Nation for ceremonies ever since. This month, Trini and I travel to Peru with some of our sweat lodge circle to partake in healing ceremonies with Native elders and medicine people.

            Despite borders, differences in customs and tongues, we are all connected in more ways than one – there are linguistic ties, for example, between Aztecs, northern Mexican tribes, and US tribes such as the Hopis, Shoshone, Arapaho, and Utes. And according to my Purepecha/Chicano friend, Luis Ruan, there is a linguistic connection between Purepechas of Michoacan, Mexico and Quechua-speaking people in Peru.

            Two weeks ago, Trini and I went to see “Apocalypto,” the Mel Gibson film about Mayans in the Yucatan a moment (according to Gibson) before the Spanish conquerors arrived to the so-called New World (in reality most Mayans had abandoned the thousands of structures in culturally advanced urban centers some 600 years before the Spanish ever set eyes on these shores).

            Taking into account the license film makers have to change history, mix cultures and times, and generally distort whatever they want, I must say there is a deeply disturbing aspect to what is an otherwise visually-arresting and emotionally-wrenching motion picture.

            Whatever authenticity in details Gibson claims he achieved in the film, he continues to promote some historically-destructive “Big Lies” that may be missed by those who aren’t as attuned to the subtexts, the messages beneath the messages, that some of us in this culture have had to deal with to orient and maneuver ourselves into the world.

            The first one is about the “savagery” of the pre-Columbian peoples that supposedly required a civilized Christian world to overrun, tame and change them.

            In the film, Mayans hunt down innocent villagers, they enslave women, they cut out still beating hearts, and pile hacked up bodies in mass graves. The salvation message got nailed at the end when the film’s protagonist runs to the beach, chased by two enemy warriors. After more than two hours of heart sacrifices, rapes, beheadings, and blood sports, there emerges a pristine image of Europeans coming to shore – a priest is among them holding a cross (we know now they came not for God, but for gold). Without words you feel a sense of relief – it’s about time somebody came to stop these brutal and lost cultures! Sure Gibson portrays the villagers on the periphery as nice, funny, loving (in other words, totally idealized), but at the core, in the main centers of art, life, ritual, and work, everything seemed rotten, ugly, despicable (another idealization).

            Here’s the reality: There is no proof that Mayans ever practiced large-scale heart-removing human sacrifice, although they were known for blood-letting rituals. Yes, there were also wars between Native groups, brutality, subjugation, and any other drama and trauma that people have been capable of committing from time immemorial – they are human after all. But nothing about mass graves, mass sacrifices, or slave auctions (seen in the movie as if they were in the Deep South).

            What’s missing in Gibson’s vision (he’s a known archconservative Catholic) is the fact that the Mayans, like the Aztecs (properly known as Mexikas), the Incas, and others like them were sophisticated, cultivated, spiritually-driven, and intellectually-grounded. At one point in the film, the people act as if they had never seen an eclipse, to be manipulated by blood-thirsty priests and rulers. Yet these cultures had achieved amazing astronomical advances, including devising some of the world’s most accurate calendar systems. The Mayans had a complex writing system, complicated mathematics, wondrous architecture, and advanced achievements in art, botany, zoology, and tools. They also developed sophisticated economic and political systems. They saw no separation between sciences and their spirituality – almost all their practices were tied to natural processes, energies, and events.

            You wouldn’t know that from watching “Apocalypto” – or from hearing about or reading most popular accounts of pre-Columbian societies. This is precisely what Gibson is banking on – the public’s conception of what they don’t know or think they know about these people. Gibson, like many others before him, has filled in the missing narrative: Mayans, like other native peoples, were extremely violent and ungodly – they deserved to be destroyed.

            Even LA Times film critic Kenneth Turan on December 8, 2006 wrote, “Given that penchant [for violence], it was only a matter of time until [Gibson] would find his way to a civilization that enthusiastically practiced human sacrifice.”

            This is simply not true. That “Big Lie” was first expounded by Hernan Cortez and his Spanish invaders to justify the wanton destruction of the orderly and clean Mexika city of Mexiko-Tenochtitlan. Supposedly with a flint knife, priests were able to rapidly remove the heart while the victims watched it throbbing in the priest’s hand. In one account, thousands were thus slain in one day. Yet even today with modern tools, it takes around 15 to 20 minutes to open up the sternum and the surrounding tissues to reach the heart. But we’re supposed to believe a few priests could do this to hundreds, even thousands, in a few hours.

            There is a very strong indigenous and academic movement in Mexico against large scale human sacrifice by any of the major indigenous cultures. They contend that most Western scholars studying these matters are wrong – except from a mythological viewpoint, since there is a strong mythological basis for sacrifice. But this is different than actual systematic human sacrifice. Supposedly sacrifices among the Maya involved Cenotes: deep water wells. Some may have occurred following ritual ball games. If they did exist, however, it was done ritually, not among captives or slaves, but among leaders, honored people, warriors in “flowery wars” (among the Mexikas), and considered an honored thing – you would reach the highest levels of the 13 heavens.

            But again, most of this is mythology – very little evidence of this except in some skewed materials. For example, the finding of actual human blood on stones in the Templo Mayor in Mexico City, which scholars readily concluded was due to human sacrifices. It may have been blood letting or a result of mass slaughter during the seize of Tenochtitlan. There is nothing about heart sacrifices in any of the codices before the Spanish arrived. There are around 20 Meso-American codices in the world. Only three are pre-Columbian. The rest were done under the order and guidance of Spanish priests. Here human sacrifice, especially heart sacrifice, is greatly illustrated.

            The first accounts ever of human heart sacrifice appeared in a letter from Cortez to the Spanish crown. Then there was a major account from one of Cortez’s soldiers, Bernal Diaz de Castillo. Gibson is going beyond even the worse of these claims with “Apocalypto.” He even reportedly changed an image in one of the murals where a ruler is extending his hand in a gesture – Gibson had someone paint a heart there (this shows up in one of the scenes).

            The Spanish used human sacrifice to justify their destruction. Even the Cathedral and other buildings were built from the very stones of Tenochtitlan’s pyramids. They killed off millions of Natives through war, slavery, and stake burnings (for those who refused to convert to Christianity). Many more were killed from the diseases the conquerors brought with them, such as small pox.

            In fact, within 50 years of the Spanish arrival to the Valley of Mexico, the native population went from 25 million people to 2.5 million people. David E. Stannard in his classic 1992 Book, “American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World” (NYC: Oxford University Press) estimates that 95 to 98 percent of the people in the hemisphere perished by swords, guns, famine, slavery, conversion, and, most significantly, illness.

            Whatever “human sacrifice” has been fantasized about the indigenous people of this land, the real human sacrifice that occurred after the European invasion is the most monstrous, still resonating hundreds of years later in our own damaged topography of land, culture, ideas, and interests. Remember that Guatemala Mayans were systematically killed, an estimated 140,000, including women and children, during the 36-year Civil War that ended in 1996 (where real mass graves of broken bodies existed).

            Yet we are still here, us brown-red people. We are the two to five percent that survived, and are now revitalizing the political and social landscapes of Bolivia, Ecuador, Central America, Mexico (then as now, the country with more native peoples than any other), and parts of the United States and Canada.

            Everything is now turned on its head – the brown-skinned native-rooted people among the Mexican and Central American migrants to the US, with roots to these lands as deep as anyone’s, are now the “foreigners,” “strangers,” and “illegals.” However, they also carry a new world view that is about balance (supposedly Gibson “real” message), cooperation, and restoration. There is much we can learn from these teachers who themselves are students of nature, relationships, the stars.

            This cosmology is summarized in En Lak Ech, “you are the other me.” We are all related, all life, all being, all things, linked and unified and important. If only an amazing filmmaker could truly grasp the significance of this and find a means to portray it in such a vitally important public space. Instead, Gibson re-portrays the old lies to suit and benefit a worn-out and dangerous religious ideology.

            Native people may have had their issues, conflicts, and mistakes, but they were sovereign, earth-connected, and free: Shame on Gibson for trying to correct the present roller coaster madness of war, ecological damage, and disaffection at the expense of the very people whose blood and bones became a major underpinning of this so-called civilization.
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              Re: Another Response to 'Apocalypto'

              Sun, December 24, 2006 - 3:57 PM
              I like Rodriguez' article. A lot ot pro-indigenous cliche's but good all around. I wonder about his facts about pre-Columbian history though because its information coming from institutionalized education, which of course, we can't trust because white people in their conspiracy to take over the world are behind it and Christians have been known to manipulate peoples minds through fear to help maintain the status quo. But the rest of the stuff I gree with which boils down to the only fact in this article: he cofounded Tia's Churchas Cafe. wait a minutie here...
              • Re: Another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                Mon, December 25, 2006 - 7:05 AM
                Mr 'J' likes it 'but' doesn't have much good to say about it!

                Here we have a Nahuatl speaking native Mexican man, living in the USA (Rodriguez), who has taken the time to write this article and includes plenty of well-known information, yet Mr 'J' believes that he knows better as usual! Just like suggesting (in another tribe) that it was great that some Native Australians have become ordained Christians (which obviously pissed off the Native Australian guys and everyone else), Mr 'J' has 'put his foot in it' again!

                So will we hear from Mr 'J' that his review of Apocalypto is a glowing report of the excellent way that Mel handled the true history of the Maya? Perhaps the churchian education system and indoctrination also teaches that the Mayan civilisation was in full swing when the Spanish arrived with their Vatican churchian imperialist domination agenda, just like the teaching that Columbus discovered the Americas!?

                Sadly Mr 'J' has a problem with reading English, and ends his review with a spelling mistake. It is not "Tia Churchas Cafe" but "Tia Chucha’s Cafe Cultural in Sylmar CA". So any suggested anomaly (ie a connection to the 'church') is completely mistaken.

                It seems that there is a powerful consensus that Mel Gibson has really not been true to the facts about the Maya and has portrayed them from a very churchian perspective. Presumably his illuminati Catholic masters are delighted with the outcome and the confusion that it seems the film is propogating.
                What is very clear is that the elite's agenda is to seperate and confuse as many as possible so that there are plenty of souls unprepared for the coming changes and processes. What is also very clear is that the Vatican and its genocidal cronies implemented a programme of murder and destruction hardly matched by the Nazis or Stalin (although successive US governments have been 'having a go' since then!), and it was nothing to do with being 'white'. It was actually an agenda which had been implemented since the Romans enslaved the tribal peoples of Celtia (they only failed to complete this because of internal conflict and massive corruption). The now global agenda has been controlled by the Illuminati/Rothschilds for the last 200 years or so, and is doing similar things to tribal peoples around the planet as well as to almost everyone else, regardless of skin colour!

                Actually, the review from Rodriguez is quite well-rounded and has various references to information and practices outside of the mainstream sources. So to respond to it with sarcasm and cynicism is just another way to 'put one's foot in it' from someone who hardly 'has a leg to stand on'!! Let's hope and pray that Mr 'J' does 'find his feet' very soon!

                Blessed Be
                Ometeotl
                In Lak'ech
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                  Re: Another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                  Tue, December 26, 2006 - 2:23 AM
                  I knew I was going to piss you off. It was done in a light hearted manner but at the same time, you've got to see that you do have some inconsistencies in picking and choosing what you want to believe.

                  Nevertheless, Rodriguez is not a native nahuatl speaking person. He learned nahuatl, as many mexican or Chicanos do in the LA area by nahuatl elders whom I have met or have contact with personally.

                  I don't have a problem with Christian Natives. The issue is about recognizing qualified spiritual leaders in a religious system dominated by european hegemony. The translation if you don't understand, is that "true" spirituality is more than skin deep, or in some cases, clear concepts take precedence over correct spelling.

                  I should apologize because I was patronizing you and shouldn't. You are an adult and so am I. Obviously, you and I don't agree. We both have no point to agree on, I actually am indigenous with a clear pre-Hispanic geneology. You don't. My family has land that we've been holding since before Columbus, under our family name, you don't. I studied my history formly and have a reference to corroborate it with the elders in my local community and family. You don't. My mother believes we come from an island, turtle island. Your mother doesn't believe in any such thing. Really, my mother tells us we come from an island. It's a pretty big island brother.

                  As far as the Movie. Raiding parties by Mayans in the post-classic era did not exist. It probable in pre-Classic era that it did mostly to mark the territory that would one day be part of their empire. But by the classic period, the Mayan had no need of raiding local peripheral tribes. The principle reason is the method human sacrifices were chosen and later adopted by the Aztec Empire. Rodriguez is incorrect to say the empire is better know as the Mexica. Actually, the mexica was one of three allied tribes (Mexica, Acolhua, Tepaneca) that ruled the metropolis of Tenochtitlan, but lead by the Mexica. Aztlan means "land of egrets", and was misinterpreted by the Spanish as the name of the Mexica tribe. What the Mexica told them was where they came from, "the land of egrets", not the name of their tribe, which they only learned about later. Most anthropologists believe Aztlan is the marsh lands of Nayarit, a coastal state in western Mexico, with an abundance of egrets. Do I sound like I know what I'm talking about? Anyway, to make it short, Gibson misconstrued the Mayan empire with the Aztec by portraying a Mayan culture that was already in demise by the time the Spanish arrived, but should have been the Aztec.

                  Also, slave raiding scene in the movie was so typically Hollywood, and more like what is known about in history (white history for that) the Europeans employed, and it was pitiful to see it being acted out as if that was the modus op of native americans. But Psi probably knows about white perpetuation of racial myths and stereotypes more than I do, so correct me on that if you will.

                  Oh, to get back at why slave raiding was not typical at the peak of the "Aztec" empire was because the Three Allied Tribes of Tenochtitlan (Mexico City) would have a periodic event to supply the human sacrifices called the War of the Flowers or Xochipilli. This was the meso-American version of "counting coup" and the losers would be sacrified. Another method of acquiring victims was through the ancient Ball game the Aztecs adopted from the Toltec-Mayans, a predecessor to modern day soccer. Sorry Psi, soccer doesn't originate from England.
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                    Re: Another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                    Tue, December 26, 2006 - 1:54 PM
                    You are still patronising me despite saying that you "shouldn't". You do not know anything about my mother or my family or my island or my peoples' history!

                    Actually the game you call soccer did originate in England from more than 500 years ago. It has nothing to do with the Ball Game of the Mayas and was not taken from them. I really don't care either way because I don't like the game and never did. The game involved kicking an inflated pig's bladder around and was nothing to do with sacred ball games. What is certain is that to suggest that it came from the Americas is totally mistaken!
                    The traditional English game Cricket is far more interesting. It was a game based on Celtic principles where the wickets were the 3 muses, the stumps the duality, the bats were made from willow (a tree of the 13 lunar months), the Umpire was the 'Reaper', and the scoring and calculating used certain types of numerology based on lunar and solar calendars.

                    I come from an island that was repeatedly invaded by Romans. The people here were oppressed, murdered, enslaved, the priests were murdered, the sacred sites were changed and destroyed, forests were clear-felled, gold and other precious metals were stolen, miles of straight roads were built to enable the conquering armies to travel quickly and defeat any opposition, and that was the first time. It has happened again and again. It was all part of a long-term agenda which has been carried out quite efficiently, and which used Christianity as a weapon. Happily this 'weapon' is becoming weaker!
                    Now there are those of us who meet for the Solstices, Equinoxes and other ancient festivals, and we also use ancient calendars, and do our 'work' as best we can in the situation we were born into and have to live in. We work with the landscape temple which was put in place by the "Shining Ones" over 5000 years ago. We have complex figures, solar temples, ritual centres and whole zodiacs formed into the landscape, and initiatory lines of pilgrimage through clearly marked sacred sites.
                    The fact that Joseph of Arimethea came with Mary and others, to these islands and started the early Christic churches and that the Celts happily aligned with those teachings because they were almost the same, might be enough for some churchian folk to realise the importance of the Druidic and Essene connections and much more. The cruel irony of the whole churchian way is that it has little or nothing to do with the work, life or understanding of the man called Jesus of Nazareth, who was so much deeper than the shallow churches are now.

                    Never mind, at least we got a review of the film from you, and some information worth noting.
                    Sadly your pompousity has led you to use bits of information as if you are the only one who knows. I did already know most of what you mention. I was one hour south of the Tuxtlas when Mel was filming there. I know areas where the Flower Wars were fought and have picked obsidian flakes and arrows in the fields over many years. I ran in the Carrera de Cuauhtemoc earlier this year, after a temescal the night before.
                    I have plenty to learn about this world (there is so much to learn!), and so do you!

                    I won't be paying any money towards the Hollyweird agenda and will wait for pirate copies or a free viewing. I know all I need to know about "Apocalypto", for now.
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                      Re: Another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                      Tue, December 26, 2006 - 6:46 PM
                      I know you white liberals will always want to believe you have the last word.
                      Of course we don't care what you think. We along with our ancestors have lived
                      here millenia longer than you have so it doesn't matter if you think differently
                      about the origin of modern day soccer or your pseudo-indigenous sympathies
                      that are a cover of marxist dialect ideolgies. A real native knows the difference between
                      a hippie a marxist and a traditional. Your nowhere near a native thinker. Your a mixed up
                      spiritual man taking spiritual traditions here and there as if youre in a spiritual potluck or buffet.

                      And the irony of it all, though you hate Christianity, you act like Jesus, the judge of the world,
                      by thinking and believing you have the last word, judge of my traditions and heritage. Stay white.
                      • Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                        Wed, December 27, 2006 - 1:45 AM
                        Liberal? Me? Hey I'm way more radical than you will ever know!
                        I am not now or ever judging your traditions and nor do I want to be a part of 'your' traditions. I am a human being, a member of the human tribe and I have a right to be on this planet as much as anyone.

                        "A real native" does not join the oppressors and carry on their work (of cultural and spiritual imperialism), just like the 'natives' who sell their ideals for privilege and casinos. You don't like when your membership of the cult of Jesus, created by Romans and used to destroy spiritual traditions around the world, is exposed as hypocrisy, but the sad truth for most churchians is that they are willing stooges of the Illuminati and their great imperialist agenda (rather like Mel!).
                        And Jesus never judged the world he was a true 'shaman' who travelled and embraced many cultures. He was trained by the Essenes who were part of esoteric groups and schools that extended across Europe, Asia, into Africa and the Americas. These schools taught about 'lost continents' like Atlantis/Atlantiha long before the imperialists made their maps with the ocean 'Atlantic', and, most importantly, the 'serpent wisdom'. Jesus never suggested a 'cult' be formed in his name. He understood the Christic teachings and asked that others followed his example. He was familiar with ceremonies that were practised by esoteric schools in various parts of the world, so he must have been initiated into those practices. These schools and practices still exist and you do not need to be a member of the cult of Jesus to work in them, in fact you would be excluded if you were!
                        Wallace Black Elk (continuing his work on the other side) told me that the word 'Hipi' meant Jesus when he travelled in the Americas, and is used to describe people who look like he did and 'work' like he did. To call me a 'Hippie' is always taken as a compliment!
                        But you think you know about 'hippies' because you once went to talk by St Timothy!
                        You are a confused churchian (like most of them) who actually believes that Jesus would be doing as you do.
                        What Jesus would definitely NOT be doing is learning how to kill in the military, and would never join the military of the most fascistic culturally imperialist nation on this planet. Would you obey a direct order to kill a 'hippie', a 'native', a 'communist', a 'subversive', a 'muslim'? Would you kill your fellow humans? If you wouldn't then you should leave the army and repent your ways. If you would then you should leave the cult of Jesus and be a true bigoted fascist pig like so many of your fellow 'soldiers' (so many of whom become churchians because they want to be 'forgiven' for their many 'sins').

                        It's not who you 'think' you are (my mother was a native, blah blah) it's what you are doing for this living planet and whether you work responsibly on the great web of life.

                        Oh and by the way I was doing punk in the late '70s. It was about anarchy (ie 'creative freedom'), not riots! The real punks in the UK, Mexico or wherever, are vegans, artists, composters and permaculturalists, and play lots of loud punk music!

                        You have so much to learn!
                        May you have a blessed journey!
                        Namaste
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                          Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                          Wed, December 27, 2006 - 2:08 AM
                          You are white and I'm not.

                          Stop dropping tabs and listening to Timothy Leary.

                          A person who protects his families way of life isn't radical. Oh wait, unless you're white. Now I'm confused.

                          Please tell me again, white man, what I am and what I believe again.
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                            Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                            Wed, December 27, 2006 - 2:22 AM
                            Correction:
                            unless you're NOT white. Then we are considered a radical for protecting your way of life. Isn't that funny brothers. Here is a white man that wants to so desperately be native but confuses marxism-hippie-ism as being equivalent to being a native. They have to smoke dope and drop tabs to try and connect with the earth and hate their own religions and then wonder why they look so ridiculous hopping around in Pow Wow's as white people trying to be Indian.

                            An Indian who isn't ready to pick up a gun to protect his family and by extension their country better be a traditional. Otherwise, they are cowards. Psi you think being an Indian or native is believing a pipe dream that everybody is good and will live in peace because you want to believe that. We, us natives, know better. We have a million lives in our Holocaust that tells us otherwise. If you can't protect your own family, find some other productive thing to do like baking bread, sweeping the floors, babysitting children. Underneath all your feigned spirituality, you still have hatred towards people you disagree with. If you weren't a sell out to your own white people, you would be just as hateful and bigoted as the typical racist. Your prejudice is just cloaked in leftist mumbo jumbo.
                            • Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                              Wed, December 27, 2006 - 4:21 PM
                              And here's a conservative hypocrite who would murder others in the name of Jesus or whatever! Poor confused little man who thinks that murder is the right way to be a 'native', so much so that he joined the cavalry (who have a legacy of genocide of native people - d'uh)!
                              As a Nicarguan native, living in decadent Kalipornia, serving in the US military, you really are confused! Talk about wanna-be! You have offended other natives with your presence, pompously going on about what you know and pretending to be righteous.

                              I have never been to a pow wow and do not care to - it really is not anything to do with me or my culture.
                              I am not a Marxist or a hippie, and I do not take drugs (no prescriptions for 25 years). I sometimes use only natural herbs and plants in ceremony. Unlike the conservative hypocrites I regard what nature provides us with as sacred and our right to consume. We know from thousands of years of using them, that plants are our allies and are gifts from source, but neo-fascists need adrenalin to fuel their bigotry and racism, and cannot cope with the process that certain sacred plants invoke.

                              You are a hypocrite churchian and are no follower of Jesus. He would chuck you out of his group as a violent man unworthy of any initiation.

                              I work with lunar and other calendars of my ancestors. I go to my sacred sites to do ceremony with many others. Churchianity is not now or ever was 'my religion'.

                              Go back to your republican friends, and vote for more casinos. Get some more guns and threaten people some more. And be sure to obey orders from the US government. You are a true 'goon' and belong with the forgotten stooges of the FBI and National Guard who caused so much death and suffering. Do you really imagine that Leonard Peltier wants US army thugs infiltrating his support groups?

                              Bye bye goon!

                              Namaste
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                                Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                                Wed, December 27, 2006 - 7:00 PM
                                Most natives who are in the military get an eagle feather like I did from an elder or holyperson who pray for you and honor you for being a warrior.
                                You are the ignorant one brother.

                                My Chicano brothers used to warn me in undergrad to stay away from the marxist-hippies and in my naivete hung out with your kind for some time. Now I know better. They tried to convert me into their quasi-marxist hippie New Age ideology and pit me against my Chicano brothers who were indigenous nationalist. My good friend, who became a Rasta and moved to Jamaica, told me the same thing. He would call the hippies dirty people and blood clots. I didn't understand as a
                                young man. Now I do.

                                Going to a conservative Christian theology school reinforces the belief in me that whites will always want to be the leaders in every sphere of life, even the worlds like I belong to that is not their business. In my 5th year in Graduate school, almost completely the equivalance of 3 master's degrees, and reaching almost the top of the white man's intellectual world, I will never be considered their equal. I have sat in their classrooms being overlooked when i raise my hand to share an idea. I
                                have watched my black brothers drop out, one by one, telling me they can't handle being in a school like this. I have survived the humiliations, for a greater purpose.

                                White people don't take a black man or brown man serious. They will only listen as long it is to their advantage. Once they get all the information they think they need, they step up and start talking like they're an expert and should be heard and followed. Whites don't like Nat Turner's like me. I tell the truth as it is, I don't speak with hate, just truth, and they don't like that. Black and brown men are unemployed, behind prison bars, on the street on drugs, killing each other and robbing. The black and brown man is a threat to the white establishment, even in the church, and they relegate us to menial jobs and positions without authority because they want to stay in power. They look at us men, and smile, with their token serious looks, pretending to listen, pretending to understand, all the while they are laughing inside, planning how they can use the knowledge we freely give for their advantage. Worst of all, when they get a chance, they try to verbally humiliate and demean us, so they can have that psychological advantage if not a physical advantage. Nat Turner's don't get phased by such strategies. We are field negros, and the sun has scorched our skin too dark to ever get us inside their homes, and institutions.

                                Hippies are dirty people, what the Rasta meant, dirty spiritually. They are spiritual leeches, souless people, zombies, robbing other peoples traditions and desecrating it, trying to fill a spiritual void that their souless bodies can't get satiated. They usurp the cause, in the eyes of Chicanos, inflitrating our ways to recruit the naive for their own purposes. They act like your friend, but in time, if you wait, will want something from you: your money, your loyalty, your committment, time, your sister, your brother, your land, your spiritual traditions and ways. Fern Mathias, God bless her soul, AIM president was right, and there never was a peyote ceremony I was in where a white man or woman was present. Thank God one organization knew never to trust a white man feigning interest in the native ways, pretending to want to learn and respect our ancestors. I follow Fern's advice, she was a close friend of mine, never to share the intimate ceremonies to a white person. Even as a Christian now, I never have nor will I ever share the ways my elders taught me to a white man or woman. I will enter the grave with that vow.

                                White people are funny. They read some books got to some Indian New Age ceremonies and all of a sudden they think they're experts in the native ways when we have been living and passing these histories and traditions for millenia. But it just proves the arrogance of white peoples egos. Once they think they've figured it out they want to be the authorities of our ways. They want to teach us what we believe and think and should say about ourselves. that's the arrogance of the white man. He is not satisfied being an expert and at the top of his own culture and ways (churches, education, etc), he wants to be the expert in other peoples traditions too!

                                Psi, you are one of the reasons why conservative natives don't let you in our circles.


                                • Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                                  Thu, December 28, 2006 - 5:06 AM
                                  I started this thread as a discussion about a film which has angered and frustrated Mayan people and others alike.

                                  As with so many other threads (here and in other tribes) this churchian psycho-goon, more 'redneck' than any redneck, as racist as any fascist, as hypocritical as most other churchians, has hijacked the discussion and turned it into his own tirade against white people.
                                  This ignorant approach has nothing to do with prophecy and everything to do with polarisation and seperation. The hatred of all white people is pure racism and is typical of backward people. To suggest that ALL white people are to blame for what has happened to them is truly backward. It's a stupid as blaming young Germans for the Nazis, or blaming all Muslims for Osama.

                                  As for Jamaican Rastas, there are many good people there, but there are plenty of people who have dreadlocks and claim to be 'rasta' while they eat meat and carry guns. I know people in the 12 Tribes in the UK and many are from other Caribbean islands where most folk do not like much about Jamaicans due to the gangster culture, the cocaine, the chauvanism, the misogyny and the voodoo! I know people attacked by Jamaican voodoo. And here in the UK we have to put up with 'yardies' dealing drugs, shooting and maiming every year.
                                  When you use such an example you need to know what you are talking about!

                                  What this psycho-goon is demostrating is his bigotry and hatred and how he is not remotely a follower of Jesus (a Caucasian!). How stupid is it for a man to hide behind a cult formed around a prophet who had all the appearance of a 'white' man, while hating everyone of the same appearance. It is stupid gone mad!

                                  For so many reasons I will not visit the USA, and this is one good one! Another is the militaristic fascistic goons with their guns, who travel the world and snipe innocent children and women as they go to hospital, and drop depleted uranium across countries which challenge their resource-guzzling, greedy, corporate thug, imperialist agenda, paid for by US tax payers and by international drugs and arms dealing.
                                  And now I hear about the conservative casino-crew natives and their millions of dollars, looking for foreign investments, and driving out people from their groups because they aren't quite pure blood. It's the same kind of attitude in microcosm.

                                  Many prophecies from different parts of the world have foretold of this time, where the Piscean Age of duality comes to an end and the polarisation becomes more acute. The blaming and 'victim consciouness' is typical of disempowered people who want to continue with the seperation because it serves them as they attempt to steal others' energy.

                                  Anyone with half a consciousness knows that the Illuminati/Rothschild corporate elite is manipulating all economies and wants groups of people to be divided and full of hate. They want people to struggle for a basic living while elevating others to elites and ensuring that heirarchical structure is maintained. And they use Hollywood as a tool for that, hence the film Apocalypto!

                                  Nothing that such a bigoted 'goon' says will stop me from doing what I do. I was not baptised and am not now or ever was a member of the cult of Jesus. We watch as the churchian world falls apart with endless 'revelations' of paedophilia and violence, and churches are sold off one by one!

                                  We of Albion have a culture totally independant from any native American ways. We have had a living tradition of sweat bathing, of healing, of mystery schools, of Atlantis teachings, of mushroom ceremonies, oral tradition, art, music, magic and medicine, and we have sacred sites constructed over 5,000 years ago. Churches in this land were all built upon many of our thousands of sacred sites, using many of the stones that formed circles and dolmen, ritual centres, zodiacs and solar devices of up to 50 miles across. These islands were a huge 'wheel' of many tribes, which had big meetings and ceremonies in special sites.
                                  The defenders of these tribes were as fierce and feared as any other on this planet. They had long hair, often twisted, with feathers and beads. They weren't numbered soldiers, but individual warriors. They painted themselves with natural pigments before battle. They were riding horses 3,000 years before native Americans even saw one!
                                  The tribes of these lands were conquered by stealth, seperation, infiltration, churchianisation, rape and 'ethnic cleansing', loss of land and forest, bribery, corruption and ego. It's a matter of record, much of which is told in the oral tradition.

                                  We have welcomed exchange with other cultures as long as they leave their blaming behind!
                                  WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GLOBAL VATICAN/ILLUMINATI/ELITE IMPERIALISM AND GENOCIDE, AND WE ARE NOT CHURCHIANS!

                                  If anyone wants to sit in the circle of hearts and minds, they MUST leave their weapons and shit outside. The circle is for equals not for petty-minded 'victims'!

                                  My even the bigots and 'victims' be blessed and realise their true role in the coming evolution!

                                  Blessed Be
                                  • Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                                    Thu, December 28, 2006 - 5:34 AM
                                    Perhaps 'brother' 'J' should start his own tribe, where he can endlessly complain about being a victim, and lecture about his extensive knowledge and experience. I gather that there are various other folk that think it a good idea!
                                    Maybe we can all help him find a good name for his new tribe? How about "Ranting Native Churchians"?

                                    Ometeotl
                                    • Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                                      Thu, December 28, 2006 - 7:03 AM
                                      While I love discussions, even heated ones, I must say that this crap with people poking others is getting really tiresome and I get really sick of feeling like I need to leave tribes because of other peoples' negativity.

                                      Please be considerate of others who try to live in positive light. I would really hate to have to leave this tribe as well. Thank you.
                                      • Re: Not another Response to 'Apocalypto'

                                        Thu, December 28, 2006 - 11:31 AM
                                        I started a thread about a very relevant film and now that thread has been broken up.
                                        If the consensus is 'white folks out', then I will quite happily leave this tribe myself. I've got a busy life with plenty to be getting on with, and I have truly had enough of being attacked for being who I am, and how my culture is perceived. I will never stand by and allow defamation and racism against many of my Earth family. We have done nothing to deserve it! So called 'white' people are of many tribes from many countries, so to suggest that all are the same is a nasty lie!

                                        The Hopis ask us to prepare for the movement from the two-hearts to the one heart - that is exactly what we are doing.
                                        In the Celtic and Druidic ways we know of the return of the lost consciousness, the Great Remembering, the coming Age of Aquarius which will be an age of balance and harmony. We do not need any body else's calendar or system to tell us this!

                                        In the Celtic Calendar it is already the new year. What the churchians call Christ-mass is actually the day after Yule (23rd) which is the feast time and the burning of special decorated logs after the 3 days of the Winter Solstice (20,21,22), a time for ceremony for the end of the old solar cycle and birth of the new Sun. Pope Gregory declared that all christendom had to use their 12 month calendar and so the true reason for the winter celebration was almost eradicated and a lie was forced upon the people of Celtia (the man called Jesus was definitely not born on the 25th December!). Not only that but the new year was shifted to days later than it actually is, seperating the people from their true cycles. It is another lie that is being challenged and will not be sustained much longer. Millions of women and men were murdered by the church pogroms, across Europe, because they kept their traditional cycles, ceremonies and healing arts (they were called pagans and witches and hunted down like beasts). We honour them all as heroes and warriors of the truth. Their suffering and death will not be in vain!
                                        We of the Celtic consciousness, those who know the truth, reject the churchian oppression and suppression of our rights and will continue to do what we have to do to ensure that our traditions are maintained.

                                        So, in this new Sun and new year, may all people wake up to the truths about the past, remember their ancestors ways and take what was good from them, prepare for the great changes to come, and be present in this moment, for all their Earth Family!

                                        Happy New Year!
                                        Blessed Be!