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Here's a quote by Adam in a separate tribe that seems to be so simple, yet so difficult for some to grasp: "Sadly, when Israel made it's biggest withdrawal from territory since 1979, the Palestinians only escalated attacks. What lessons did Israel learn from that? And how are the Palestinians convince Israel that a further withdrawal won't lead to the same result?"
Why? Why, since EVERY TIME that Israel has pulled out of an area without a finalized total peace process they've been attacked, why do all of you not understand at least logically that the Israelis over the last 50 years have a great fear and suspicion about the Pals?
Why can the Pals not do something positive to show their peaceful intents, BESIDES no rockets and suicide bombs? Netanyahu - while not opening wide up, offered AT LEAST to DISCUSS peace. Why could the Pals not from their own perspective, just as far to their side, not speak up for a peace process, too? Israel is ignoring Hamas/Hizbollah and their statements that they want to destroy Israel and are working with Fatah in many VERY positive ways, why can't Fatah ignore the stupid shit that Israel is doing and simply say that they want to discuss peace?
Why does Israel have to bend over backwards before all of you will be happy? Why do they have to put themselves in danger and have people ACTUALLY DIE, before you'll get behind a balanced discussion of peace?
I don't get it. I really don't. THAT is why I call mot of you 'partisans', because you can't see both sides.
Why? Why, since EVERY TIME that Israel has pulled out of an area without a finalized total peace process they've been attacked, why do all of you not understand at least logically that the Israelis over the last 50 years have a great fear and suspicion about the Pals?
Why can the Pals not do something positive to show their peaceful intents, BESIDES no rockets and suicide bombs? Netanyahu - while not opening wide up, offered AT LEAST to DISCUSS peace. Why could the Pals not from their own perspective, just as far to their side, not speak up for a peace process, too? Israel is ignoring Hamas/Hizbollah and their statements that they want to destroy Israel and are working with Fatah in many VERY positive ways, why can't Fatah ignore the stupid shit that Israel is doing and simply say that they want to discuss peace?
Why does Israel have to bend over backwards before all of you will be happy? Why do they have to put themselves in danger and have people ACTUALLY DIE, before you'll get behind a balanced discussion of peace?
I don't get it. I really don't. THAT is why I call mot of you 'partisans', because you can't see both sides.
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:49 PMcomplete malarky.
Fatah and the PA have been bending over backwards and taking up the rear for Israel.
HAMAS IS NOT THE LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY IN GAZA - they staged a COUP, and have been ruling by force there.
<Why, since EVERY TIME that Israel has pulled out of an area without a finalized total peace process they've been attacked, >
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:59 PMsalil:
> HAMAS IS NOT THE LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY IN GAZA - they staged a COUP, and have been ruling by force there.
Okay. But they have staged a coup. They're running things.
What evidence does Israel have that anything will change at all, while Hamas hasn't been disarmed and brought under control by the legitimate government of Palestine? -
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 3:18 PMnone whatsoever. That's a totally irrelevant case you're making in relation to Andrew's point.
Again, I suggest remedial rhetoric education.
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 6:48 PMHow do you figure that Fatah and the PA have been "bending over backwards" for Israel? -
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:57 PMUh. by agreeing to every request Israel has made of them and working furiously without much praise or support to fight HAMAS and stop terrorist attacks against Israel, all while trying to build a state organization with a modicum of funds, all while Israel continues to expand settlements.
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:58 PM< How do you figure that Fatah and the PA have been "bending over backwards" for Israel?>
I know, hysterically laughable, 'eh? Why? Because they've not tried to kill as many Israelis as they possibly can for a while? ha. Love it.
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:47 PM<<I know, hysterically laughable, 'eh? Why? Because they've not tried to kill as many Israelis as they possibly can for a while? ha. Love it>>
why is everything such a joke to you Andrew? You're wrong actually.
See Salil's point above which is obvious, if one actually pays attention to these things instead of bragging about themselves
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:53 PMhe's too busy having his harem feed him 12 course meals to actually pay any attention to whats going on. -
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:02 PMAndrew really hates Palestinians. He must be a racist.
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:15 PM<why is everything such a joke to you Andrew? You're wrong actually.>
Because it's laughable that the Pals have "bent over backwards". They've done NOTHING vis a vie Israeli requests/demands EXCEPT maybe they've stopped more attacks. WOW! I'm SOOOO impressed! What else has Israel asked of them? Wanna give me a list, Brent? Wanna let me know which of Israelis requests suggest that they have "bent over backwards"? I bet that you can't think of any YOURSELF, without relying upon someone else's words or some google search.
Why not try? Let me know what they have done which you think has been "bending over backwards".
<See Salil's point above which is obvious, if one actually pays attention to these things>
I didn't read it. Lemme see (OK, ready for Salil to INSIST that I read it - I didn't. Deal - I barely ever read your braggadocio, insist all that you like that this fact is not a fact):
<by agreeing to every request Israel has made of them>
Well, he's right on one count - they have stopped the attacks, so if that's "bending over backwards", then that's a new definition to that phrase, for sure. Seems to me that having Fatah stop attacks on civilians is not "bending over backwards" but doing what is right, just and at a BASELINE level of action.
<and working furiously without much praise or support to fight HAMAS>
Uh, they HAD to do that, because Hamas was trying to take over the West Bank AND Gaza. In Gaza, where the Hamas stronghold was, Hamas were hunting down and killing the Fatah guys, throwing one Fatah guy off of the highest building in Gaza. That's "bending over backwards"? When Fatah basically begged Israel to help them!? Really? He's fucking kidding, right? No support? Really? Israel has done all that they can do to destroy Hamas, and if you think that they've not helped Fatah at all in that regard, well...I don't know WHAT to say about that.
<and stop terrorist attacks against Israel,>
That's bending over backwards, 'eh? To not allow psychopaths to use the West Bank to attack Israel? That's something for which to be extra-commended? Really? Seems that we should then extra-commend Israel for doing all that they can to minimize civilian deaths in the last Gaza conflict,'eh?
<all while trying to build a state organization with a modicum of funds>
That has NOTHING to do with "bending over backwards". Fatah is a corrupt, criminal enterprise that is trying to form a state at the same time, who are just a little better than Hamas. Ha. Yeah.
So, find for me what they've actually DONE to "bend over backwards". I'd really appreciate the information. The ONLY thing that they have done is stop any attacks - but since you know MORE of what they've done, why don't you let us know!!!?
< instead of bragging about themselves>
I've not bragged about shit except expressed the enjoyable things that I do from time to time. I COULD brag - but I do not. I mean, Salil will insist all day long about his thousands of qualifications for EVERYTHING and how he's this tough guy. I NEVER said that I was a tough guy, saying ONLY "one is only tough compared to who is across from you", and not taking any shit. Have I boxed? Yeah? Have I mentioned that? Yeah - a long time ago. Salil? He brags about fighting "every night at some bar in Austin". Why did you not say a word about that? Why, a couple of days ago when he talked about how tough he was - out of the blue, for NO reason at all - why did you not say shit about that? I have not even REFERENCED any "tough" anything for MONTHS, but he brings it up out of the blue? Why did you not say anything every time he points out how he's been the Karate Kid? Oh, right. Can't go against your leadership. Sucker. How often will you get sucked in by this?
About his studies? Do you believe him? I mean, he says it ALL THE TIME, but I am bragging because I talked about a nice dinner that I went to? About a few trips that I took? What else? Care to let me know? What? You can't? Shocking. I mean, you just bought it up and you won't be able to mention what you're talking about. Maybe someone should PM you a list, because I KNOW that you can't add shit to that list.
Fuck, it seems Brent that one has to just say something that goes along with your bias and you'll eat it right up.
The Pals have not "bent over backwards". Fatah has relied upon Israel to not have the meany Hamas guys eat them, they've STARTED to take care of their own security, stopping attacks - and this is "bending over backwards"? Laughable. Sucker. -
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Re: A Simple Question:
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:39 PM~try to pay attention andrew instead of cheerleading~
HOLY SHIT BRENT!!! In 5 yrs thats the smartest transmission I've read to come from your key-board ...
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Re: A Simple Question:
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:46 PM< try to pay attention andrew instead of cheerleading>
I KNEW that you'd not try to support your points. You rarely do, so why would you do it now? I mean, you can make charges, but to answer the charges would take EFFORT of take having actual INFORMATION on the subject.
No surprise there.
Come on, I DARE you to try to substantiate your or Salil's claims. Well, Salil's claims, since you just parroted him.
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Re: A Simple Question:
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Re: A Simple Question:
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 3:28 AM
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Re: A Simple Question:
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:44 AMcomplete and utter nonsense, Andrew, you don't have any idea what you're talking about
The cooperation went into overdrive with the selection of my fellow Longhorn, Salam Fayyed, to the post of PM
tothecenter.com/news.php
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Re: A Simple Question:
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 5:39 AMAndrew, you're so full of shit.
You claim you don't read my posts, and yet you clearly read my response - not just to THIS post but to the issue regarding fighting.
This proves, once again, that you're a liar.
OUT OF THE BLUE?! For the thousandth time you blabbered about how I wouldnt DARE confront your friends, you know, the ACTUAL soldiers.
You posture about being a tough a guy ALL THE FREAKING TIME, and we all see it. My retort to you was the *first time* I ever mentioned that stuff because it's completely not relevant.
Anyway, yes, trying to stop attacks from the WB is indeed a herculean feat, given that they are prevented from having the coercive power to do so. NOPD for 15 years has been unable to to stop the murders and political corruption and intimidation that plagues that city, despite having a robust federal presence as well as one of the largest DA and US Attny presences in the country, per capita.
Stopping this sort of thing is very, very, difficult. But you know more about it than I do, of course, because you've devoted your life to CT.
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