Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

topic posted Thu, July 24, 2008 - 6:04 PM by 
Israeli Peace Groups:

Rabbis for Human Rights: www.rhr.israel.net

Gush Shalom: www.gush-shalom.org/english

Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions: www.icahd.org

Yesh Gvul: www.yesh-gvul.org/english.html

New Profile: www.newprofile.org/english

Ta'ayush: www.taayush.org

Bat Shalom: www.batshalom.org

The Alternative Information Center: www.alternativenews.org

The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel: www.adalah.org/

Brit Tzedek V'Shalom: www.btvshalom.org/

Courage to Refuse: seruv.org.il/

The Israeli Council for Israeli-Palestinian Peace: members.tripod.com/%7Eother...CIPP.html

Peace Now (Shalom Achshav): www.peacenow.org.il/

Arik Institute: www.arikpeace.org/


Is that enough? I could find dozens more without even trying very diligently.

Here are the Palestinian Peace Organizations that I could find:

The Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group (PHRMG): www.phrmg.org/profile.htm

That's the one that I could find.....and it only deals with abuses and does not lobby for peace between the two states.

Seriously. I could not find ONE. I could find literally dozens and dozens and dozens of Israeli peace groups.......but not one IN Palestine? I have heard that there are a few, but after looking for the last 25 minutes........none.

This thread, by the way, was in response to a charge by Sheik that I never post any threads. Well - there you are, Sheik. Here's one for you.

Any thoughts? My thoughts are that my favorite groups are the one's that are full of the families of Israelis killed by the Pals. That one gives me a lot of hope. It's good that they start and operate groups such as these...
  • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

    Thu, July 24, 2008 - 9:52 PM
    The reason why there is so many groups promoting peace in Israel is because the society allows space for individuals to think as they wish. There is no space in Arab society for free thinkers, they will be harrased or even worse killed. This is why Arafat never made peace at camp david where he was offered everything he wanted. He couldn't make peace, his own people would have killed him if he had.

    here is one site that I found for logically minded Arabs
    www.arabsforisrael.com/
  • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

    Thu, July 24, 2008 - 10:32 PM
    I think the International Solidarity movement is a very important peace initiative from the Palestinian side..
    Organisations like B'tselem also work with Palestinians..
    Interesting article..


    Father of girl who filmed Ni’lin shooting and Canadian activist arrested in Ni’lin
    July 23rd, 2008 | Posted in Reports, Ramallah Region, Photos

    On the 23rd July, the father of the girl who filmed the Israeli shooting of a detainee in Ni’lin and a Canadian activist were arrested during a non-violent demonstration again in Ni’lin against the construction of the apartheid wall.

    Photos courtesy of Activestills

    The arrests occurred at a non-violent women’s demonstration again the construction of the wall in which the two were arrested after observing the march towards the construction site.

    When the Israeli army attacked the demonstration, Amirra went in to protect the demonstrators, while Victor MacDiarmid, a Canadian citizen, took photographs. The two men were arrested within minutes.

    Interviewed on Palestinian TV this morning, the 14 year old girl expressed concern that her family would be targeted by the Israeli army due her film being publicized. Her footage was broadcast throughout the world and has caused shock waves in Israel, where a soldier has been arrested and an official investigation launched.

    Victor MacDiarmid is from Kingston, Ontario, and has twice been shot by rubber-coated steel bullets while attempting to take in supplies to Ni’lin during a recent a four-day Israeli army blockade of the village. He will be brought to court on the 24th July in Jerusalem, while the details of Jamal Amirra’s case are not yet clear.
    www.palsolidarity.org/main/20...n-nilin/

    Another non violent effort peace is being made by the people of Bil'in

    Usually they get welcomed with tear gas by the IDF..
    Sometimes even with bullets..

    Italian Judge Injured By Israeli Army In Peaceful Demonstration Against The Wall, In Bil’in

    Written by Haitham Sabbah on 07. June 2008,
    PRESS RELEASE
    BY
    LUISA MORGANTINI

    Vice President of the European Parliament


    ITALIAN JUDGE INJURED BY ISRAELI ARMY IN PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION AGAINST THE WALL, IN BIL’IN (WEST BANK)
    Bil’in, (West Bank) 6th June 2008

    A demonstration against the wall in Bil’in, a Palestinian village close to Ramallah, just concluded the Third Annual Conference (2nd-4th June) organized by the Bil’in Popular Committee for non-violent resistance with the participation of the Vice President of the European Parliament Luisa Morgantini and of the Peace Nobel Prize, Maired Corrigan Maguire, and also of many Palestinian, Israeli personalities and delegations from France, Belgium, Germany and different European countries; from Italy a delegation of 40 people belonging to Italian Women in Black, many NGOs, the association Aktivamente and representatives from Giuristi Democratici (Italian Democratic Lawyers).

    After the end of the meeting, there was near the wall a football match, opened by Luisa Morgantini and Jibril Rajoub, President of the Palestinian FIFA: the match was played by International, Palestinian and Israeli activists together, but interrupted by teargas fired by the Israeli army.

    At one thirty p.m. started the weekly Friday non-violent protest against the wall, which in Bil’in confiscated more then 60% of the villagers’ land: although the demonstrators marched until the gate of the construction site of the wall peacefully and without forcing it, the Israeli soldiers immediately intervened firing a big quantity of teargas at man-height and injuring some demonstrators among those a judge from Sicily, Giulio Toscano, belonging to the Italian Democratic Lawyers’ delegation (Giuristi Democratici). Luisa Morgantini with crying eyes and burning the throat and the lungs for the gas inhaled, declared her “commitment to the popular and non violent struggle in Bil’in like in all the villages where the wall is steeling lands and its sources for the life of Palestinian people through an Israeli policy of colonization and military occupation which kills peace and justice”. Also the Peace Nobel Prize, Maired Corrigan Maguire was intoxicated by the teargas.

    Since three years up to now, Bil’in and the persistence of its inhabitants and of all the Palestinian, Israeli and International Peace activists represent an extraordinary example of non-violent resistance against the wall and the confiscation of Palestinian lands, resulting from 40 years of Israeli military occupation.

    Further Info Luisa Morgantini 00972 54 72 71 742 or Office in Rome 0039 06 69 95 02 17

    Luisa.morgantini@europarl.europa.eu; www.luisamorgantini.net
    • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

      Thu, July 24, 2008 - 10:42 PM
      Harmen:
      > I think the International Solidarity movement is a very important peace initiative from the Palestinian side..

      They're not a peace group. They're pro-Palestinian propagandists.
      • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

        Thu, July 24, 2008 - 10:45 PM
        And the ones Andrew posted are not?
        • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

          Fri, July 25, 2008 - 1:38 AM
          Carolyn:
          > And the ones Andrew posted are not?

          I'd have to go through Andrew's entire list to check, but at first glance no.

          ISM is "resistance group". It's not a peace movement.
          • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

            Fri, July 25, 2008 - 8:21 AM
            >>"ISM is "resistance group". It's not a peace movement."

            I found this interesting on the International solidarity movement....
            They resist crime but that is the only route towards peace..

            From their site..

            "To join the ISM in Palestine, you must adhere to the following principles:

            1. Belief in freedom for the Palestinian people based on all relevant United Nations Resolutions and international law.
            2. Using only nonviolent, direct-action methods, strategies and principles to work towards our goal."

            I think if we agree on these two statements...
            There could be peace..





            • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

              Fri, July 25, 2008 - 12:34 PM
              There cannot be peace, Harmen, unless they also believe in freedom for the Israeli people based on all relevant United Nations Resolutions and international law. I see no such indication in their informational materials or actions.
            • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

              Fri, July 25, 2008 - 1:59 PM
              Harmen:
              > I think if we agree on these two statements...
              > There could be peace..

              Bullshit. You can't have peace without guarantees and freedoms for _both_ sides.

              ISM is resistance group set up and designed to attack Israel. They don't use force, but they're willing to use blatant false propaganda in order to further their political goals.

              Will they ever speak of the importance of an unbiased truth?

              Will they ever speak of the need for rights and freedoms for Jews?
              • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                Fri, July 25, 2008 - 9:45 PM
                >>"You can't have peace without guarantees and freedoms for _both_ sides.
                >>There cannot be peace, Harmen, unless they also believe in freedom for the Israeli people based on all relevant United Nations Resolutions and international law.

                "1. Belief in freedom for the Palestinian people based on all relevant United Nations Resolutions and international law. "

                Adam and Luminous..
                The United Nations resolutions and international law garantee freedom for the Israeli's and the Palestinians..
                Currently the Palestinians are illegally being robbed from their freedom and their land by the ignoble regime of Israel..
                It is sub human bondage how this zionist regime treats the indigenous people of Palestine..

                So i do understand that is the primary concern of the International Solidarity Movement..

                By the way...you get more...
                This peace also keeps the promise of non violence..

                " 2. Using only nonviolent,."

                If you two keep apologizing crime and violence, you will never make peace..
                You will remain a part of the problem..

                Law and non violence can be the only principle for peace...
                • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                  Fri, July 25, 2008 - 10:16 PM
                  Harmen:
                  > It is sub human bondage how this zionist regime treats the indigenous people of Palestine..

                  And how do the Palestinian treat the indigenous Jewish people?

                  > If you two keep apologizing crime and violence, you will never make peace..

                  Well more or less agreed on that.

                  But I'd say ISM apologizes for and excuses all of the crimes of the Palestinians (no matter how blatant they are) in the name of "resistance".

                  Has ISM _ever_ spoken against Palestinian violence or crimes?
                • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                  Sat, July 26, 2008 - 8:30 PM
                  At best, Harmen, ISM is an advocacy group and not a peace group. They advocate for one and only one side of the conflict. They are not seeking to further the cause of peace and do not attempt to develop meaningful relationships or programs with Israelis that serve to advance the peace process. Rather, the relationships they form serve to advance their advocacy of the Palestinian cause

                  Non-violence is a fungible term in the Middle East. I remember hearing George Habash explaining that the use of stones and small arms on the part of the Palestinians was non-violent because the Israelis were better armed. A quick search through ISM's web site failed to find any criticism of incidents that included rock throwing or small arms fire and absolutely no distancing from or criticism of random rocket attacks or suicide bombings on the part of the Palestinians.
    • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

      Fri, July 25, 2008 - 5:30 AM
      <I think the International Solidarity movement is a very important peace initiative from the Palestinian side..>

      I generally do not read your posts Harmen because they are so illogical and biased, but because this is my thread I read this and am not surprised by your response.

      Yes, I DID see that group, but if you look through MY choices, you see that my groups are generally non-partisan. The group that you chose is hyper-partisan. Yes, there are Israelis in that group, but they are not working for a greater peace movement on a micro or macro level, they are working within the framework of the international movement, which as a very, very very strong anti-Israel bias.

      Could you not find ONE other group? Not one? [Sidenote: I still find it humorous that their website is called 'www.palsolidarity.something'. Ha. Those racists!]

      Oh, Harmen - your post has NOTHING to do with the topic, by the way...

      < And the ones Andrew posted are not [biased]?>

      OH my fucking hell.

      Let's take a look, shall we!?

      Look at this propaganda: "Rabbis for Human Rights has championed the cause of the poor, supported the rights of Israel’s minorities and the Palestinians, worked to stop the abuse of foreign workers, endeavored to guarantee the upkeep of Israel’s public health care system, promoted the equal status of women, helped Ethiopian Jews, and battled trafficking in women."

      Those horrible biased propagandists!!!!!! EEEEEEEvil!

      Let's look at the next one: The first page shows a boat with a banner on it that reads, "Gaza: Stop the Siege. Let The Ceasefire...something"

      What horrible group. Very biased obviously................

      NEXT!

      This one is the 'The Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions': "ICAHD is a non-violent, direct-action group originally established to oppose and resist Israeli demolition of Palestinian houses in the Occupied Territories. As our activists gained direct knowledge of the brutalities of the Occupation, we..."

      Those horrible people. Right, Carolyn? How biased they obviously are...

      Fuck, I don't even need to look further.

      The first was a group of Rabbis that fight for equality for Muslims in Israel and for peace between Israel and the West Bank and Gaza. The second one, "Gush Shalom" is 100% against the Israeli actions in Gaza and hosts what many would consider anti-Israeli writers to come to Israel and speak. The third? "Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions"...........did you even READ the fucking TITLE of their group?

      You did not even read ANY of my posts.

      You are a propagandists who chooses to remain ignorant, and I can't even believe it, Carolyn. It's shameful. Honestly, I really thought better of you. I really did. That you did not even care to look at the actual links.......it would have been easy to just read the TITLES!!!!!!!!

      Carolyn, can you find ONE peace group that works with Israeli peace groups or even by themselves to champion peace between these two peoples? I looked - and I could not find ONE. I have seen mention of groups before, but could not find ONE.

      Can you?

      And, moreso - what does it say that there are literally dozens and dozens and dozens of groups of this sort in Israel, but not ONE that I could find even with expending some effort, operating in the West Bank or Gaza?

      What does that say to you, Carolyn?

      Oh, right. You don't answer direct questions.

      Nevermind.
      • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

        Fri, July 25, 2008 - 3:56 PM
        One peace group? Btelsalem (sp) that is a peace group that works with both Palestinians and Israelis.

        I read all your links. And I find some of them as propaganda as you call me a propagandist I guess I can see it when it lays out in front of me.

        Some of your links are good but not all are kosher so to speakl.

        Yea I do have problems with some of them. Did you evertry to find out more on the Palestinan groups out there that work with Israelis?
        • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

          Fri, July 25, 2008 - 6:51 PM
          <One peace group? Btelsalem (sp) that is a peace group that works with both Palestinians and Israelis.>

          Good call and a good group as far as I know - unfortunately, it's an ISRAELI group...."B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members."

          I am asking about groups that were instituted and based in Gaza or the West Bank. Know of any? Any at all?

          <I read all your links. And I find some of them as propaganda as you call me a propagandist I guess I can see it when it lays out in front of me.>

          Really? Which ones? I hand-picked them because each one is primarily non-partisan. Which ones are "propaganda". Please let us know. I could have easily found another twenty at the same level as those - so please let me know which of those are "propaganda".

          And, I call you a propagandist because you primarily ONLY show anti-Israeli information, you practically NEVER will answer any questions put at you, and you will support one side over another with the information that you find based upon your obvious bias. I am obviously biased, but I will take a fair look at any information in front of me and not allow my bias to lead me.

          You say that my site's are propaganda? Show me ONE that is propaganda. And after finding that ONE, can you find another?

          I just went through all of them again, and ALL of them are peace groups that work on BOTH sides. Please find me at least one.

          <Did you evertry to find out more on the Palestinan groups out there that work with Israelis?>

          Yes. I put some effort into it and was not able to find any. I googled "peace groups in gaza". Nothing for three pages.

          Seriously, Carolyn. I want to find a commonality with you - but I find it difficult if you won't even try to have a reasonable communication.





          • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

            Fri, July 25, 2008 - 7:43 PM
            I try to respond the best I can when I have the time.
            • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

              Sat, July 26, 2008 - 3:48 AM
              < I try to respond the best I can when I have the time.>

              Carolyn, you are on this site all the time............... You almost NEVER respond to direct questions. That's a cop-out.
              • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                Sun, July 27, 2008 - 2:03 PM
                • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                  Sun, July 27, 2008 - 2:08 PM
                  Another one....

                  www.eohr.org/press/2008/pr0122.shtml

                  Not to mention HRW and Amnsety
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                    Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                    Sun, July 27, 2008 - 2:11 PM
                    I meant to spell Amnesty
                    • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                      Sun, July 27, 2008 - 2:14 PM
                      • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                        Sun, July 27, 2008 - 2:19 PM

                        Addameer: A Palestinian human rights organization based in Ramallah that concentrates on the rights of Palestinian prisoners in the West Bank and Gaza.

                        Amnesty International (Israel & Occupied Territories): Amnesty is the London-based international NGO that prepares authoritative studies of human rights world wide.

                        Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee: An Arab-American group that has merged the former National association of Arab Americans with the ADC. They have an active educational and government-liaison program for promoting the rights and welfare of all Arab-Americans as well as peace and justice for Palestinians and the rights of Arabs worldwide.

                        Association for Civil Rights in Israel: ACRI is an active and well established NGO that promotes civil rights for all Israelis, Jewish and Arab, through advocacy, education, and litigation.

                        Bat Shalom: This Israeli women's organization advocates peace and justice between Israelis and Palestinians and women's rights. It conducts political action and education programs sometimes with Palestinian counterparts.

                        B'Tselem: A well-established Israeli human rights organization that focuses on human rights of Palestinians in the occupied territories as well as Israeli-Arabs. It publishes a wide variety of well researched and document studies and engages in other forms of public education and advocacy.

                        Global Rights: This Washington DC- based non-profit human rights organization has been working on the ground around the world, with offices and programs in more than 20 countries.

                        Human Rights Watch: This New York based worldwide human rights organization covers human rights in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict extensively.

                        LAW: The Palestinian Center for the Protection of Human Rights & the Environment: This human rights group established by a group of Palestinian lawyers maintains an extensive website on Palestinian human rights, legal issues, and related subjects.

                        Palestinian Center for Human Rights: This Gaza-based Palestinian human rights groups concentrates on human rights issues in Gaza.

                        Palestine Human Rights Monitoring Group: This is a Palestinian NGO that monitors violations of Palestinian human rights by both the government of Israel and the Palestinian authority in thorough, precise manner. It also conducts an active program research, publication, and public advocacy. It is the largest and most influential Palestinian human rights organization.

                        The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel: This non profit Israeli advocacy group, which is based in Jerusalem, lobbies against torture and related violations of human rights by Israeli authorities and engages in litigation on behalf of victims of torture.

                        Rabbis for Human Rights: This Israeli organization gives voice to the Jewish tradition of human rights. It was founded in 1988 in response to serious abuses of human rights by the Israeli military in the occupied territories. RHR publicizes causes, helps victims, engages in civil disobedience, and promotes Jewish ecumencial dialogue and education in human rights.


                        www.fmep.org/resources/h...zations.html
                        • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                          Sun, July 27, 2008 - 3:11 PM
                          You really don't understand, Carolyn. Andrew is looking for Palestinian organizations - not international ones, not Israeli ones, not american or European ones - that working towrds developing relationships and programs amongst Israelis, Arabs and Palestinians that further the peace process by building bridges and understandings.

                          Your list still does not indicate the existence of any such organization.

                          In forging a peace, both sides must come to understand the other's narrative. Israeli groups have been better at embracing some aspects of the Palestinian narrative - Palestinians and Arabs in general have been more focussed on advocating for their own narrative and so, therefore, can be seen as less interested in a lasting peace. I believe this is, in part, Andrew's point.
                          • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                            Sun, July 27, 2008 - 3:33 PM
                            You are right. Alot of thjese groups are not based in Palestine. Maybe that is because of the danger there for them tro set up from both Palestinian and Israel forces.
                            It's possible.
                            • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                              Sun, July 27, 2008 - 3:44 PM
                              <Maybe that is because of the danger there for them tro set up from both Palestinian and Israel forces. It's possible.>

                              Now you're starting to understand. Why would it be dangerous in Gaza or the West Bank for these groups? Israel is not always blowing shit up - so why would it be dangerous for these groups in Gaza or the West Bank the other 99% of the time?

                              Why are there no bi-lateral peace groups in Gaza or the West Bank?

                              Seriously.................let's think about this. One of those groups has a forum, so I'm going to go there and ask that question.
                            • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                              Sun, July 27, 2008 - 10:30 PM
                              Carolyn,
                              You are starting to get the picture. There are no peace organizations within palestinian society because it is dangerous for them. They are under threat of being linched by the p's themselves. Israel is a democratic society where many different kinds of people and groups afford rights and protection. The Palestinian society is one that is run by thugs like hamas and fatah, killing anyone that doesn't agree with them.
                              • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                                Sun, July 27, 2008 - 10:34 PM

                                What does that say about a society that makes it a lottery of a death sentence to be a peace activist?

                                How does this situation extend to other situations that are presented, such as oh......peace offers or positive actions such as unilateral pull-outs from places like.....oh, say.........Gaza?
                • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

                  Sun, July 27, 2008 - 3:37 PM

                  OK.

                  The first one - that's the one that I posted, is it not? They are organizationally based in Israel....................their phone number and address are all in Israel...

                  The second one, that's a group based in Israel........................

                  The third one we've covered before - it's an Israeli group.."B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics,..."

                  HRW is an international group based in NYC or Germany or something............

                  auphr.org? Your forth link? Um..................do you know what the auphr stands for? It stands for "Americans United for Palestinian Human Rights". How can that be a Palestinian group if it's an AMERICAN group.


                  Carolyn - seriously. Not ONE of these groups is a Palestinian group BASED and OPERATIONAL in Gaza or the West Bank. NOT ONE.

                  Come on now.

                  I found you dozens of legitimate groups BASED in Israel...........you can't find me ONE based in Gaza or the West Bank? Not ONE?

                  Oh - eohr.org? Um...............that stands for "Egyptian Organization for Human Rights". Um.......based in Egypt.

                  Global Exchange? They are based in the US...........

                  Madre? They are an American group.

                  Addameer? They are a prisoner support group - not a bi-lateral peace group. Did you even read the "About Addameer" page?


                  Carolyn, I do not think that you understood the purpose of the thread.

                  Every group that I posted is a group of Israelis AND Pals who work together with the SPECIFIC purpose of creating peace between the two countries. They are PEACE organizations, not what you are suggesting.

                  What have we found here?

                  There are dozens and dozens of peace groups in Israel, and arguably ONE that is not Israeli - even though it is BASED in Israel.

                  Hmm. Again, your sources are groups that work on SPECIFIC issues, not bi-lateral peace groups. I really want you to understand that there's a difference. I could find another few dozen specific groups, some about land mines, some about women's issues.............. But what I'm talking about is PEACE GROUPS.

                  Do you understand what I am saying?
  • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

    Sun, July 27, 2008 - 11:50 PM
    What Andrew omits is that many of the Israeli peace groups he listed are disgusted at Israeli state behavior and the Occupation. In other words, their opinions of Israel are diametrically opposed to his own apologist opinions.

    Andrew: perhaps instead of just posting links you should read what these groups have to say :-)
    • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

      Mon, July 28, 2008 - 2:49 PM
      <What Andrew omits is that many of the Israeli peace groups he listed are disgusted at Israeli state behavior and the Occupation.>

      Oh, great! John is back! I look forward to his positive contribution!

      John, oh John. No, I did not omit anything. This thread is not about the agenda or belief systems of the NGOs, their direction boards or any purposes of effect. This thread is about where these groups are.

      So. Yeah. Get in step. If you want to discuss the feelings or statements of these groups..........start a thread.

      <In other words, their opinions of Israel are diametrically opposed to his own apologist opinions.>

      Depends on which groups. But again - not relevant. Why? Because that's not what this thread is about.

      <Andrew: perhaps instead of just posting links you should read what these groups have to say :-)>

      Start a thread.

      <And here is a more complete list. It is difficult to organize a civil society when your people are being attacked, your land stolen and your economy choked.>

      HA!!! Talk about confusion ()r, is this dishonesty?). It's also difficult when Hamas will kill you for working with Israelis..................


      John AGAIN goes to show all of us how simplistic reactions really do a disservice to a very complex issue.

      One needs complex discussions, not more reflexive posturing and propaganda.
  • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

    Sun, July 27, 2008 - 11:53 PM
    And here is a more complete list. It is difficult to organize a civil society when your people are being attacked, your land stolen and your economy choked.

    www.mideastweb.org/mewgroups.htm
    • Re: Israeli / Palestinian Peace Groups

      Mon, July 28, 2008 - 12:49 PM
      Your more complete list, John, only serves to make Andrew's point even bolder. An even longer list but still no West Bank/Gaza based Palestinian peace groups.

      The situation in Israel/Palestine is complex - more complex than your flip remark indicates. One might argue that any initial organization of a civil society that is based on violence as a means to an end in itself provokes certain outcomes that serve to butress that initial organization. Bold moves are needed to move towards peace yet none are visible. There are grassroots movement within Israeli society as indicated by your list but none on the Palestinian side. And here we are - 60 years and counting...

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