Zionist: A hero for the new century

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And, that's from John.

It's nice to see that we're finally breaking through the idiotic prejudice that Zionism or all Zionists are "evil".

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  • Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

    Sun, November 1, 2009 - 6:39 AM
    Zionism = Naziism -> ZioNazi.

    All other "explanations" are practically redundant in 2009.

    Sorry Adam, A for effort and all, but not going for your zio-hype.
    • Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

      Sun, November 1, 2009 - 10:28 AM
      dimi must think Goldstone is a nazi too. After all he is a Zionist

      • Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

        Sun, November 1, 2009 - 4:26 PM
        <dimi must think Goldstone is a nazi too. After all he is a Zionist>

        Obviously. Goldstone is a "Zionazi".

        I wonder if his 'friends' will confront him on this statement? They'll confront others on theirs, so...let's see.
        • Re: Zionist: A sack of shit for the new century

          Mon, November 2, 2009 - 10:04 PM
          Andy: "Obviously. Goldstone is a "Zionazi""

          Sweetheart, we're still laughing at you. Yup, me and everyone else. I think Adam might be laughing at you too, though he won't admit it.

          BTW, I did point out that having a Jew investigate Israeli war crimes may introduce a conflict of interest. It certainly fits the pattern. Looks like Goldstone has done his best to be as impartial as possible, though I did not agree with his original demand to "investigate" the victims of Israel's monstrous behaviour as well. See, this reeked of Israeli appeasement. Apparently, he had to try hard to convince the UN that the victims need to be investigated as well. Oh those evil victims! =)

          I bet you were hoping for something else huh? Hey, guess what? Zionism is still evil. All of it. The smell of rotten eggs cannot touch it. Pheeeeuw!!! I bet you wish you could make ma shut up huh, sweetheart.

          Andy, thanks for all the laughs, seriously.
          • Re: Zionist: A sack of shit for the new century

            Mon, November 2, 2009 - 10:37 PM
            dimi3:
            > though I did not agree with his original demand to "investigate"

            Of course you didn't.

            Muslim criminals are still criminals no matter how much you may wish to deny it.

            And, some Zionists are wonderful, lovely, even noble people, despite your horrible prejudice against them.

            As for Zionism, it's not a single bit more "evil" than the Palestinian wish for a state.
            • Re: Zionist: a useless term for the new century

              Tue, November 3, 2009 - 12:35 AM
              Adam: "Muslim criminals are still criminals no matter how much you may wish to deny it."

              It is not a crime to defend against a brutal and merciless aggressor, genius. Sure, there are Muslim criminals; petty thieves, rapists and such. But we're talking about armed resistance against murderous thieves here, so try to stay with it.

              Adam: "And, some Zionists [...]"

              And, some neo-Nazis and skinheads ...

              I don't care whether some dumb fuck who's done some good somewhere decides to associate with zionism. That doesn't make zionism good, nor does it make someone who supports it bright. It is a doomed concept, no matter how you twist or turn it. Fuck zionism, and fuck anyone who supports it.

              Adam: "As for Zionism, it's not a single bit more "evil" than the Palestinian wish for a state."

              Well, it is. For one, zionism relies on landgrabbing. But I agree, wishing to keep what you already have is not evil. Wishing to take land from others by force is though. Thanks for clarifying.
              • Zionist: A hero for the new century

                Tue, November 3, 2009 - 11:28 AM
                dimi3:
                > It is not a crime to defend against a brutal and merciless aggressor...

                No. But it is a crime to deliberately attack and murder civilians.

                > That doesn't make zionism good

                Zionism is a Nationalistic movement, no different than Palestinian Nationalism and Kurdish Nationalism.

                If you want to speak of Palestinian Nationalism, there is a strong thread of grotesque intolerance, and Islamic supremacy running through it.

                And yes, Palestinian Nationalism got it's start by murdering some Jews, and then the leader allied himself with the Nazis. But, you'd never condemn any of that would you?

                > Fuck zionism, and fuck anyone who supports it.

                Well.... there you go.

                You scream vulgarities at people that even you admit are noble and decent.
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                  Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                  Tue, November 3, 2009 - 12:37 PM
                  "it is a crime to deliberately attack and murder civilians."

                  Adam, with all of its precision weaponry, are you suggesting that Israel kills all of those civilians by mistake?
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                    Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 1:02 PM
                    ~=~:
                    > Adam, with all of its precision weaponry, are you suggesting that Israel kills all of those civilians by mistake?

                    All... no.

                    But the vast majority are accidental casualties of war.

                    It's interesting how your side preaches that Gaza is the most densely populated spot on earth when it suits your cause, but then forgets how densely populated it is when speaking of civilian casualties.

                    If Hamas is going to store weapons in, and engage in battle from the midst of densely populated civilian areas, then there are sadly going to be civilian casualties.
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                    Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:11 PM
                    <<it is a crime to deliberately attack and murder civilians."

                    <Adam, with all of its precision weaponry, are you suggesting that Israel kills all of those civilians by mistake?>

                    There's a HUGE difference between "deliberately attack and murder civilians" and civilians that get killed during war. Israel did more than any other military as far as we know EVER to restrict their attacks as much as possible from killing innocents, but still innocents died when Israel had to go and deal with the Hamas & Co. attacks.

                    Firing rockets and mortars into Israel to intentionally kill innocents? THAT is terrorism and a war crime. But to kill civilians in an attack on a Hamas militant or terror facility? Not terrorism nor it is a war crime by the very DEFINITION of what constitutes a war crime.

                    <so by your 'logic' it is all Hamas's fault?>

                    Yes. If Hamas & Co. did not commit war crimes by attacking specifically Israel civilians, Israel would not have been forced to go after the Gaza terrorists.

                    It's really that simple.
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                      Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                      Tue, November 3, 2009 - 7:17 PM
                      "There's a HUGE difference between "deliberately attack and murder civilians" and civilians that get killed during war...."

                      which is why some 1400 people can be killed and only a handful of Israelis and you can still circle jerk this obese and obscene notion that Israeli military is the most noble and moral one in the history of the world.

                      I don't care about your accepted definitions regarding war crimes if they allow you to dismiss the wart crimes of Israel.


                      "If Hamas & Co. did not commit war crimes by attacking specifically Israel civilians, Israel would not have been forced to go after the Gaza terrorists."

                      Weelllllll...... Right. EXCEPT that the problem existed long before the creation of Hamas.



                      "It's really that simple."

                      If you are amoral and a fucking moron :-)

                      cheers!
                      • Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                        Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:00 PM
                        <<"There's a HUGE difference between "deliberately attack and murder civilians" and civilians that get killed during war....">>

                        <which is why some 1400 people can be killed and only a handful of Israelis>

                        Oh. I get it. It's that you're not very smart. I just say this obvious fact because there's no correlation between the two.

                        1) Israel using care to not kill innocent people more than any other military in history
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                        2) Hamas & Co. trying as hard as they can to kill as many innocents as possible.

                        This has NOTHING to do HOW MANY died in this equanimity. Not at all. More Pals died because Israel has the military upper hand and that Hamas & Co. uses civilians as human shields (a fact that I'm sure that you're "ignorant" of...).

                        <and you can still circle jerk this obese and obscene notion that Israeli military is the most noble and moral one in the history of the world.>

                        In THIS CONTEXT, .................... YES. THIS CONTEXT. JUST THIS CONTEXT.

                        Do you not understand that difference?

                        <I don't care about your accepted definitions regarding war crimes if they allow you to dismiss the wart crimes of Israel.>

                        Definitions are definitions. You can't CHANGE them to fit your wishes.

                        <<"If Hamas & Co. did not commit war crimes by attacking specifically Israel civilians, Israel would not have been forced to go after the Gaza terrorists.">>

                        <Weelllllll...... Right. EXCEPT that the problem existed long before the creation of Hamas.>

                        Not relevant at all. Not even the TINIEST bit. Whether or NOT "the problem existed" even a million years ago, the FACT...the REALITY is that IF HAMAS DID NOT ATTACK ISRAEL, Israel WOULD NOT HAVE ATTACKED GAZA.

                        That's an UNQUESTIONABLE fact. Ergo: Hamas is responsible for the response by Israel as they worked to STOP the attacks coming out of Gaza, this response that caused the deaths in question.

                        <If you are amoral and a fucking moron :-)>

                        No. I am obviously more intelligent than you are, and there's a difference, a space-vacuum-like void between personal moralities and simple facts.

                        I personally abhor any death and war in general, but I also logically know that it's sometimes necessary. Hamas was not going to stop attacking of their own volition. Israel COULD have attacked after the FIRST rocket on the FIRST day of the ceasefire - but they didn't. They could have waited to attack ANYTIME in the months after the cease-fire, all the time when rockets and mortars were falling...But they did not. MORESO, Israel could have wholly invaded using their obvious infantry advantage, and action would would have killed FAR MORE PEOPLE on BOTH sides, but chose NOT to. This would have been the 'better' option in terms of taking care of Hamas, but they chose to not do this, and thus LESS Pals died and there was LESS destruction of property.

                        This is a reality. You are not connected to reality. You are bias-driven, which is akin to a 'logical' heroin, which has a habit of rotting the brain - you; my friend, are such a junkie.
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                          Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                          Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:06 PM



                          "This has NOTHING to do HOW MANY died in this equanimity."

                          You would need to believe that in order to support such an gross and imbalanced death toll.



                          "the REALITY is that IF HAMAS DID NOT ATTACK ISRAEL, Israel WOULD NOT HAVE ATTACKED GAZA.

                          You could your argument around and say that

                          the Reality is that IF ISRAEL HAD NOT OPPRESSED PALESTINIANS, THEN HAMAS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN FORMED.


                          • Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                            Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:30 PM
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                            > the Reality is that IF ISRAEL HAD NOT OPPRESSED PALESTINIANS, THEN HAMAS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN FORMED.

                            Well... the reality is that Hamas is just a link in a chain of racism Muslim groups set on murdering as many Jews as necessary to re-impose Islamic supremacy and re-oppress the Jews.

                            Shall I quote:

                            "Hamas is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion. It links up with the setting out of the Martyr Izz a-din al-Qassam and his brothers in the Muslim Brotherhood who fought the Holy War in 1936; it further relates to another link of the Palestinian Jihad and the Jihad and efforts of the Muslim Brothers during the 1948 War, and to the Jihad operations of the Muslim Brothers in 1968 and thereafter. ...

                            The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

                            www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.t...r.html

                            So, Hamas is very clear that they see themselves as a link in a chain going back to al-Qassam murdering Jews back in the 1920 and 1930s.

                            And furthermore, they quote from the Quran explaining that killing Jews is fine, because Mohammed told them to.

                            As much as you might wish to deny it, Muslims were oppressing and killing Jews long before the tides were turned.
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                              Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                              Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:12 AM
                              actually, if you were to look at the history of jewish/muslim relations in medina, with an unbiased eye, you would see that the jews were anything but passive victims in this conflict.



                              "And furthermore, they quote from the Quran explaining that killing Jews is fine, because Mohammed told them to."

                              oh really? and what verse would that be?
                          • Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                            Wed, November 4, 2009 - 3:56 PM
                            <You would need to believe that in order to support such an gross and imbalanced death toll.>

                            Um, a) Hamas stored weapons/terrorists in public buildings, b) they attacked Israel in or near public buildings,c) they INTENTIONALLY used human shields, and the biggest causality factor - d) Hamas & Co. fired over 8K mortars and rockets at Israel, which is what CAUSED Israel to have to go in in the first place.

                            No matter WHY Hamas was formed, the reality is that once they WERE formed, if those war criminals HAD NOT shot over 8K rockets at Israel, Israel WOULD NOT have attacked Gaza.

                            It's really that easy. To try to move the goal-posts with the purpose of going as far back as possible to take blame away from the terrorists, the war criminals that shot over 8K mortars and rockets at Israel? Well - do that all that you like. That's all you got, so since there's a dearth of integrity coming from you and yours, I would not expect anything less.

                            I would like to point out that as long as you ignore REALITY, you will be faced with the same problems over and over and over again, because one cannot make changes without recognizing what are he relating issues and causality factors.
                • Re: Zionist: A coward for the new century

                  Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:49 PM
                  Adam: "You scream vulgarities at people that even you admit are noble and decent."

                  You must have me confused with someone else.

                  Accept it, I resent zionism as much as I resent naziism, and for similar reasons. Hence, zionazi-ism.
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                    Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

                    Tue, November 3, 2009 - 4:03 PM
                    dimi3:
                    > Accept it, I resent zionism as much as I resent naziism,

                    No you don't.

                    You resent Zionism for reasons of blatant bigotry and prejudice.

                    Tell me, how do you feel about Palestinian Nationalism?

                    Remember, they've committed horrors like the Damour massacre.
          • Re: Zionist: A sack of shit for the new century

            Tue, November 3, 2009 - 12:58 AM
            <though I did not agree with his original demand to "investigate" the victims of Israel's monstrous behaviour as well. See, this reeked of Israeli appeasement.>

            Well, for most of you, he's your pal, maybe you should explain how he's worthy of your friendship?

            I won't hold my breath though.

    • Re: Zionist: A hero for the new century

      Sun, November 1, 2009 - 12:37 PM
      dimi3:
      > All other "explanations" are practically redundant in 2009.

      Practically redundant?

      I'm sorry that, just false.

      All that's happening here is that you are solidifying your bigotry, and proving your views are hateful and false.

      Even John clearly tell us not only that there are good Zionists, but at least one of them is a true "Hero".

      Why don't you listen to John?
  • Re: Zionist: An immoral and outdated concept

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:40 PM
    > If you are amoral and a fucking moron :-)

    You're of course not thinking about Andy and Adam, LOL!



    Adam: "Well... the reality is that Hamas is just a link in a chain [...]"

    Holy crap! He realises that Hamas is a link in ... Israel's futile divide and conquer chain! I'm gonna file this one as an inadvertent admission. Folks, he knows he's lying. He's known all along. I knew he knew too. Oh well, it's public now ;-)

    Adam: "So, Hamas is very clear that they see themselves as a link in a chain going back to al-Qassam murdering Jews back in the 1920 and 1930s."

    Now you're back to lying, or just being plain stupid. IsraHELL created Hamas, and it wasn't in the 20s and 30s. No, not the 40s either, nor the 50s, not the 60s... Jeezes Crist on a fucking stick.


    Adam: "As much as you might wish to deny it, Muslims were oppressing and killing Jews long before the tides were turned."

    Oh we know it happens all of the time, in all of history even, and particularly in your sick war crimes promoting little world. Have a ball!
    • dimi3:
      >> So, Hamas is very clear that they see themselves as a link in a chain going back to al-Qassam murdering Jews back in the 1920 and 1930s."
      > Now you're back to lying, or just being plain stupid.

      No, I'm sorry. It is you who is either stupid or ignorant.

      I am quoting in their own words.

      "HAMAS is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion. It links up with the setting out of the Martyr Izz a-din al-Qassam and his brothers in the Muslim Brotherhood who fought the Holy War in 1936....

      The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

      www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.t...r.html

      Can you read?

      For 80 years, Muslim terrorists have been murdering Jewish civilians. Hamas is just the latest version of that.

      It is Hamas, not I, who declares that they're a link in a chain back to Al Qassam and the violence in the 1930s.
      • Sweetheart, you're denying your own stupid and wholly ignorant comments.

        you said: "Well... the reality is that Hamas is just a link in a chain of racism"

        Israel created HAMAS, so based on your own statement, this would make Israel, its creator, racist.

        You can try to run away from yourself all day long, but your 'wisdom' remains here as proof positive of your perpetual self-embarassment =)


        Shame on you Adam, shame on you for insisting on being stupid.
        • dimi3:
          > Israel created HAMAS

          Sorry, wrong again.

          "Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi and Mohammad Taha of the Palestinian wing of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifada"

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

          Hamas was created by a couple of radical Muslims with ties to the Islamic brotherhood, and by their own admission they see themselves as a link in the chain going back to the xenophobic murder of Jews well before Israel was created.
          • <<<and by their own admission they see themselves as a link in the chain going back to the-- xenophobic murder of Jews well before Israel was created.-->>>

            REALLY??

            Did they call it that or did they prophetically call it 'that historical fantasy that some boy would some day spew endlessly on the Internet?"
            • John:
              >> and by their own admission they see themselves as a link in the chain going back to the-- xenophobic murder of Jews well before Israel was created
              > Did they call it that or did they prophetically

              No, I describe the murder of Jews as xenophobic.

              They describe the murder of Jews as a "holy war" prescribed by Allah.

              "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

              www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.t...r.html

              Either way, it's equally vile.
              • <<<No, I describe the murder of Jews as xenophobic.

                They describe the murder of Jews as a "holy war" prescribed by Allah. >>>

                So that would make both of you horribly deluded.
                • John:
                  >> They describe the murder of Jews as a "holy war" prescribed by Allah
                  > So that would make both of you horribly deluded.

                  John, john, john. Silly boy in denial.

                  One only has to read their own charter. Have you read Hamas's charter??

                  "Hamas is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion. It links up with the setting out of the Martyr Izz a-din al-Qassam and his brothers in the Muslim Brotherhood who fought the _HOLY WAR_ in 1936; it further relates to another link of the Palestinian Jihad and the Jihad and efforts of the Muslim Brothers during the 1948 War, and to the Jihad operations of the Muslim Brothers in 1968 and thereafter."

                  "_THE PROPHET_, prayer and peace be upon him, SAID: The time will not come until Muslims will _FIGHT THE JEWS_ (and _KILL THEM_):.

                  www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.t...r.html
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                    Adam's revisionist history

                    Sun, November 8, 2009 - 12:32 AM
                    You do realize that the claims 'Arab aggression against Zionists or Jews was xenophobic', and 'Arab aggression against Zionists and Jews was Jihad' are contradictory , Yes?

                    Which are you asserting?
                    • Re: John's denial of history

                      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 10:36 AM
                      John:
                      > You do realize that the claims 'Arab aggression against Zionists or Jews was xenophobic', and 'Arab aggression against Zionists and Jews was Jihad' are contradictory

                      It's great when you answer your own questions, eh?

                      But the answer is "no". Hateful Muslims can certainly declare a jihad against Jews or other non-believers. That's both a "jihad' and "xenophobia".

                      So, it's nice that you're answering your own questions. But you still cannot answer any of mine.

                      Hamas clearly speaks about their "links" to "holy wars", and quotes the "prophet" telling them to "kill Jews".

                      Have you read Hamas's charter? Are you denying what's said in there?
                      • Adam falls further into the abyss......

                        Sun, November 8, 2009 - 1:48 PM
                        Adam, as long as you choose to dwell in your own dreamworld it will be hard to come out and play with the adults here.

                        You are compounding your own misunderstanding with regards to xenophobia. How do you expect ANYONE to dialogue with you when you choose your own meaning for the words you use??
                        • Re: Adam falls further into the abyss......

                          Sun, November 8, 2009 - 2:47 PM
                          John:

                          Silly, silly, silly boy.

                          Killing people because they're different is Xenopobia.

                          It's doesn't matter or not if they use their religion to back up that murder.

                          The question still stands. Have you read Hamas's charter? Do you deny what's written in there?
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                            Sun, November 8, 2009 - 11:27 PM
                            <<<Silly, silly, silly boy.>>>

                            useless adhom, doesn't change the facts or the historical record.



                            <<<Killing people because they're different is Xenopobia.>>>

                            Of course we all know, and I include you in the we, it wasn't because they were 'different' .

                            As the august Benny Morris and others have said it was "The fear of territorial displacement and dispossession" that motivated the Arabs. Even simple logic defies your repeated vacuous assertion, for if the Arabs were motivated by xenophobia there would not have been ANY Jews living in Palestine prior to the European migration as the 'xenophobic' Arabs would have long ago killed them ALL.
                            • Re: Words have meanings

                              Sun, November 8, 2009 - 11:57 PM
                              John:
                              > Of course we all know, and I include you in the we, it wasn't because they were 'different' .

                              Of course it was because they were different.

                              They didn't murder a bunch of Muslims because of a fear of "territorial displacement". The key factor here was the people were different.

                              It's no different than some white racists murdering a bunch of Hispanic Americans because of a fear that Mexicans are going to "steal our jobs".

                              But actually, let's say that it's some white Frenchman murdering a bunch of Muslims for fear that these Muslims were going to force Shariah law on France.

                              So, once again, I know you're afraid of this question.

                              If white Frenchman deliberately target and murder a dozens of Muslims, what words would you use to describe these murderers?
          • Adam: "Sorry, wrong again."

            Sorry, not at all. Hamas was an Israeli backed ploy which totally backfired. Indeed, Hamas is for all intended purposes an Israeli product.

            Adam: "Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi and Mohammad Taha of the Palestinian wing of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifad"

            Blaablaablaaaaaaaa....

            "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)"
            -Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem

            Deny it all you want ;-)