Hamas launches their own white phosporus rockets

topic posted Wed, January 14, 2009 - 10:19 PM by  Brent
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Palestinian militants fired a phosphorus rocket at Israel for the first time yesterday, one of 17 fired into Israel as fighting entered its 19th day. The phosphorus rocket exploded in an open field in the western Negev. No injuries or damage were reported.

Also yesterday, three rockets were fired at Israel from southern Lebanon, the second time in a week the north has come under attack. No injuries were reported.
In Gaza operations, seven Israel Defense Forces soldiers were wounded yesterday, one of them seriously, as Palestinian militants fired anti-tank missiles at Israeli paratroopers just outside Gaza City.

Five IDF paratroopers were wounded during a separate gunbattle in northern Gaza. Two officers were moderately wounded and an officer and two soldiers were lightly wounded in the incident, which began when they were fired upon by gunmen.

The soldiers returned fire and hit the assailants. The wounded were given first aid on the spot, and were later taken for treatment to Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer.

Among those injured was Lt. Col. Avi Blot, commander of the 101st Battalion in the Paratrooper Brigade.

White phosphorus is not considered a chemical weapon and armies are allowed to make use of it in munitions, mostly to create smoke screens to hide troop movements as well as bright bursts in the air to illuminate battlefields at night.

However, the substance can cause serious burns if it touches the skin and can spark fires on the ground.

Human Rights Watch accused Israel Sunday of firing phosphorus artillery shells over populated areas of Gaza during recent fighting, including a crowded refugee camp, putting civilians at risk.

Israel maintains that it uses munitions in accordance with international law.
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  • Brent, are you saying that this weapon was fired at Israel with the sole purpose being an intent to harm civilians?

    I mean, the standard use is to cover an advancing group of soldiers, but since there are no Hamas & pals fighters in Israel, then the ONLY reasoning possible would be to harm civilians!

    Does this mean that these people are war criminals!?

    Carolyn! John! Harmen! Would you not agree that these people are war criminals?

    Horrible, 'eh?
    • > Israel maintains that it uses munitions in accordance with international law.

      Oh, but I thought there is no such thing as International Law? Well, at least according to Dr. professor longnose Andy.

      I'm not sure where those purported Hamas fighters got such munitions from, if they were even Hamas fighters (doubtful), but they clearly did not direct said munitions at any people. A clear field, ya know... So what are we saying here? Oh yeah, gotcha.

      Strange, today I saw images on the BBC which clearly showed Israel firing WP in broad daylight, hitting civilian targets. Hmmm... And they hit a hospital as well, killing a bunch of doctors and patients, destroying medicine, setting ablaze and destroying foodstocks... What a noble bunch they are, taking such extraordinary care not to harm civilians. Uhuh, like the tooth fairy and all. I don't think even the SS were so God-damn naaaaaasty. What unbelievable fucked up shit. Good for the president of Bolivia for severing diplomatic ties with that shitty little fucked up hell-hole. I hope more countries will kick out their Israeli ambassadors and help isolate Israel. What unbelievably fucked up shit

      You know what I think? I think Israel and all of its pro-war "supporters" have been "chosen" all right...
      to be sucking cocks in "hell." Don't forget to pack your shades and Hawaiian t-shirts, boys ;-)
      • Dimi,

        I don't understand how you can condemn one group for a specific act while excusing another group for the same thing. And your claim of what was or wasn't the clear intent is of no consequence. You don't know with any certainly what the motives were of the people responsible for the "said munitions" attack.

        Previously you said that you're here for laughs. That being your purpose here why should anyone take what you say seriously? You approach this conflict having decided who is right or wrong without any apparent interest in recognizing the need to be objective. Why are you doubtful that Hamas was not involved?
        • There he is! =)

          Well Sheikster, I'm afraid there is a lot that you don't understand. A_lot. I really have no time or desire to go over my statements with you. Read em again until you comprehend what I'm saying or ask someone else to help you decipher my super secret code.


          --


          > Israel maintains that it uses munitions in accordance with international law.

          Oh, but I thought there is no such thing as International Law? Well, at least according to Dr. professor longnose Andy. A bit odd that he would not agree with his masters in Tel-Aviv, no? Oh yeah, since he said it, he has no choice but to defend it 'till the bitter end, uhuh uhuh. Classic. I wonder if someone could get him to state that Israel is wrong (when recognising the existence of International Law). Naah, probably not. Funny little situation we have here.
          Dr. professor longnose Andy's dillemma: is Israel right and am I (longnose) wrong? Or am I (longnose) right and is Israel wrong? I say the "good folks" at terror headquarters are probably not quite as dumb as Andy. I mean, you've got to be one seriously dumb fuck to be denying the existence of International Law in the face of historic international consensus. Oh well.
          • "Well Sheikster, I'm afraid there is a lot that you don't understand. A_lot. I really have no time or desire to go over my statements with you."

            Dimi,

            Well I guess that you also don't have time to investigate whether or not there is any substance to your statements either. I'm not sure how you think you can achieve anything by posting comments about specific incidents without showing that you have even read about them. Miore shit from you that is not viable, reasonable, persuasive, or substantive. Just because you make a claim about something does not mean that there is any reason for it to be believed.

            Based on your logic you have no basis to reject the comments of anyone else because you seem to expect all of your postings to be accepted as accurate and beyond reproach. If you can't be held accountable then you have no reason to question what anyone else says right?
      • <Oh, but I thought there is no such thing as International Law? Well, at least according to Dr. professor longnose Andy.>

        A) There is no such thing as International Law in the context that you keep insisting that it exists.

        B) Do you want to comment on the use of WP by your heroes? You know, it's a WAR CRIME!!! Thus - they are war criminals!!! Wanna comment?

        <I'm not sure where those purported Hamas fighters got such munitions from,>

        I wonder...they can't make it themselves, so where o' where would it have come from!?

        <if they were even Hamas fighters (doubtful),>

        Do you have a reason to doubt that it was Hamas? Does it matter that it was Hamas, anyway?

        <but they clearly did not direct said munitions at any people.>

        But, neither did Isreal. Just having people around does not mean that they "clearly" directed the WP at the Gazans. And, moreso - how do you know that "they clearly did not direct said munitions at any people"? They just shoot the missiles at Israel with no guidance systems, unlike Israeli missiles and bombs...which are all aimed and guided at specific targets.

        Y'r in the shallow water here, Dimwit. You are stating, A) that you doubt that this attack was by Hamas, even though there's really no way for you to know one way or another, which shows your bias, and b) you suggest they did not target people specifically, but then - they just shot a rocket at Israel that could not be aimed...all the rest of their rockets are meant to harm and kill - so why is this one any different?

        <A clear field, ya know... So what are we saying here? Oh yeah, gotcha.>

        The rocket HAPPENED to hit a field. These are not guided rockets.

        <Strange, today I saw images on the BBC which clearly showed Israel firing WP in broad daylight, hitting civilian targets.>

        now you're a military expert? You know that they were using it to hit "civilian targets"? How do you know this? I mean, a camera miles away will show you that? You must have some advanced military analysis training, 'eh?

        <I don't understand how you can condemn one group for a specific act while excusing another group for the same thing.>

        What do you mean that you don't understand? He's a hateful, twisted, dishonest, bigoted and biased little man in every respect of the word 'little'. What's to understand? For him, when the Israelis use it, it's purposefully against civilians, but when Hamas does it, when they shoot a rocket into Israel that is un-aimed, it's no big deal. What about that 'opinion' is not "hateful, twisted, dishonest, bigoted and biased"?

        "Dr. professor longnose Andy"

        I like that. It's good. The Good Doctor will see you now.

        <In these images that you claim to have seen how do you know that the targets were civilian?>

        He's a professional military analyst, of course!!! He can tell from miles away the specific targeting of that one shell.


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          hahahahah, theres no way he saw WP being fired AT a target, the only way you can ID WP is when its in the air, burning down slowly like its supposed to, or by the smell and effects after the fact. I promise you he cannot distinguish phosphorous explosions from conventional.
  • Re: Hamas launches their own white phosporus rockets

    Thu, January 15, 2009 - 10:58 PM
    Well, lets see.
    Okay first the source of this article is not well respected by the Palestinian or Arab side.
    Second, try to google the phosphorus bombs or "rockets", it will tell you that even if it was launched on an empty field, everything will say that it is a phosphorus rocket. Okay, no pictures were provided of that "phosphorus rocket" you are talking about, even on the Israeli channels or the American ones they did NOT mention this issue. YOu said it was over the western Negev, this phosphorus illegal bombs will make damage to plants, stones, air, humans, etc. So in other words it makes damage to any thing that is living or non-living. So it is NOT accurate what this article you posted says.
    third , hamas has NO "phosphorus rockets" even in ANY arab country they do not have such iillegal weapons or rockets, the only contry that have such illegal rockets is "israel" and they are imported from the USA. So if you take a look at the point from a deeper view, the USA go including Hamas such illegal weapons.ddd country including Hamas such illegal weapons.

    You are giving here the total loss from the israeli sides, okay let me give you SOME of the Palestinian loss in this aggressive war:
    Till now, Thursday Jan 15th,
    1103 have been killed by the israeli killing machine.
    Among them:
    344 Children UNDER THE AGE OF 18
    106 women
    Not including the innocent and civilian men that have been killed that are more than 400.
    So all in all, maybe around 300 of the Palestinian freedom fighters from Hamas and other Palestinian resistance political parties have been killed. But AND ACCORDING TO THE un AND THE unrwa AND THE HUMAN RIGHT WATCHES, more than 55% of the Palestinian being killed in Gaza are of women and children!

    Also note, that according to the UN Charter, it states clearly :
    "any oppressed or occupied people or nation HAVE the right to resistance and self determination"
    And thats what we as Palestinians are doing, we are resisting a 60 year old occupation, aggression, ethnic cleanising, apartheid, segregation, restrictions on mobility, daily killing, arresting people and the policy of "kicking people out of their own country and homes". Water issue are under the total control of "israel".

    "However, the substance can cause serious burns if it touches the skin and can spark fires on the ground.". Thank You.
    "israel" is using these illegal weapons, and used them also before in its failed war on Lebanon. Among the 4450 Palestinian injured in Gaza, more than 50% of them have been DISABLED. Why? Well because "israel" is using the nazist policy in ethnic cleanisng.

    "israel" is NOT using any weapons or even its recent war on Gaza and the 1.5 million in it, is illegal and they violated ALL the international laws issues, all HUMAN RIGHTS, they violated the Article 33 and 55 of the 4th Geneva convintion (which states that during war, medical persons and houses, hospitals, schools, univeristies, holy sites, etc MUST NOT be targted at any point).

    Well, and it is clear toom, that the one who broke the ceas fire with Hamas and the truce was the israeli side, and this is according to CNN and other sources. They have been planing for this war within the last 6 months which means when the truce STARTED! So they are panning ahead of time in declaring one of the bloodiest war crimes and massacres in Gaza and the occupied Palestinian Terretories.
    • Re: Hamas launches their own white phosporus rockets

      Thu, January 15, 2009 - 11:19 PM
      Amer:
      > hamas has NO "phosphorus rockets" even in ANY arab country they do not have such iillegal weapons or rockets,

      No... Arab countries never use illegal weapons.

      Oh wait... don't you recall Syria massacring 20,000 of it's own civilians in Hama including using poison gas on them?

      www.shrc.org/data/aspx/d5/2535.aspx
      • Re: Hamas launches their own white phosporus rockets

        Thu, January 15, 2009 - 11:39 PM

        But... I do agree it's a bit questionable that Israel has made this claim without showing any evidence.

        I'll wait until I see the evidence before making any judgments.

        • May I again remind everyone that even the International Red Cross says that Israel's use of WP is NOT a "war crime"?

          Or, do people here know more then them?
          • www.nowpublic.com/world/red...ot-illegal

            Well i am sure i do know more than them, and more than you too. (no offense).
            I have lived under the nazist occupation, and witnessed many cases where illegal weapons were used by "israel".
            In the link abov, it says that the International Red Cross says that TILL NOW they have no judgement whether "israe" used illegal weapons or no, but they will figuer out that when the war is over, and when "israel" will agree the UN and human rights watches and the reporters to enter gaza and witness by themselves what this hazist and an organized state if terror used in its war. It also happened to remind you, in the 2006 faling war on Lebanon, where they also used illegal weapons from the USA gov, and that was proved after the war.

            Let us wait until seeing israel defeated by the spirit of the Palestinian fighters and people, and see how they will be accused of using illegal weapons.
            www.rushmoredrive.com/LatestN...rus.aspx
            Well see this too, the CNN and a human right watches are accusing "israel" of using illegal phosphorus weapons on its war on Gaza. See how no one is right yet, the only right thing is the pictures from the ground, the photos os 5 day old baby girl being burned with its clothes over her. Thats the reality and i belive that the truth hurts.
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              <Well i am sure i do know more than them, and more than you too. (no offense). >

              And I promise you you don't know more than I do about them.

              Willie Pete isn't illegal, Amer. Why do you need to rely on deception to make your point. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the Gaza initiative that don't rely on fallacy, so why bother making things up?

              <It also happened to remind you, in the 2006 faling war on Lebanon, where they also used illegal weapons from the USA gov, and that was proved after the war. >

              Really? Care to provide a link? Bet you wont, cause all you can find are links to WP weapons, which once again, are not illegal.

              Here's a thought, Amer. Why not accept that HAMAS is bad for Palestine, just like the PLO was for decades, and work to create a unified Palestinian movement with the WB in order to create a Palestinian state that lives peacefully side by side with Israel?
        • Well Mr Adam.
          You are talking about more than 80 years ago. We are in the 21 st century, and if you need to go back in time before your father was born just to justify a point of view, then i will go back to 61 years ago, and say that israel had massacred more than tens of thousands of Palestinians, and Arabs since 1948, demolished more than 417 villages completly, kicked more than 710,000 palestinian out of thier houses, uprooted more than 700,000 olive and orange trees, arrested more than 600,000 of the Palestinian people..all since 1948.

          I am talking about today. Today "israel" is using the ethnic cleansing policy a nazist policy that was used years ago.
          • Amer:
            > Today "israel" is using the ethnic cleansing policy a nazist policy that was used years ago.

            In case you didn't notice, Israel completely removed all settlements and soldiers from the Gaza.

            It's the Jews who have been ethnically cleansed from Gaza; first in the 1920s, and again in 2005.

            As for the latest war, Hamas made a choice to continue it's war against Israel, rather than bring peace, prosperity, and stability to Gaza.

            > You are talking about more than 80 years ago.

            I'm speaking of yesterday and today. 80 years ago, racist Muslim Palestinians engaged in pogroms against the Jews in Palestine. 60 years ago, racist Muslim Palestinians recruited Nazi troops to help with the extermination of Jews.

            And, today, Palestinians are still engaging in Nazi-like rhetoric calling for world domination and the annihilation of Jews.

            World domination:

            www.youtube.com/watch

            Annihilate Jews:

            www.youtube.com/watch

            Do you care to comment on those videos?

            Time has come for Hamas to agree to live in peace with their neighbor.
          • <then i will go back to 61 years ago, and say that israel had massacred more than tens of thousands of Palestinians>

            Prove it. Many have come here and said such propaganda, but not ONE has supported that claim. Maybe you can be the first?

            <kicked more than 710,000 palestinian out of thier houses,>

            I see. Here we go again. Not ONE of those people left of their own accord, right? What kind of books are you reading? There's an internets right there......it's right there all around you........why not look up the real history? I do not doubt that many a hunddreds of thousands were booted, but there were also many hundreds of thousands that moved themselves out of the way of the advancing Muslim armies in '48 - '67 at the behest of their Muslim brothers who told them to get out of the way of the invading armies. Have you heard of that? No? Hardly surprising.

            <I am talking about today. Today "israel" is using the ethnic cleansing policy a nazist policy that was used years ago.>

            Wow. Please show me how Israel has cleansed ONE person from any area in Gaza or the West Bank. ONE!!! Was that before or after Israel unilaterally and unconditionally left Gaza, Amer? Was it before or after Israel stated for the record that if there are no attacks from Gaza, that Israel will not do anything to the Gazans, Amer? Please clarify that for me.

            Hey, Carolyn - here's what your propaganda does............clear proof.

            <I have lived under the nazist occupation, and witnessed many cases where illegal weapons were used by "israel".>

            Such as?

            <In the link abov, it says that the International Red Cross says that TILL NOW they have no judgement whether "israe" used illegal weapons or no, but they will figuer out that when the war is over,>

            That's right. They have yet to see any proof of any WP being intentionally used against civilians.

            <Let us wait until seeing israel defeated by the spirit of the Palestinian fighters and people>

            You've already waited over 65 years. You really wanna wait another 65 years? Generations and generations waiting for nothing? Israel will not go away, and they will not capitulate to anything while they are under attack. I mean, you're in fucking OHIO - and you're talking like this? Really? I want peace, and you want more war. Which one of us is the more evolved?

            <Well see this too, the CNN and a human right watches are accusing "israel" of using illegal phosphorus weapons on its war on Gaza.>

            Yeah, so what? That does not mean that it's true.

            <See how no one is right yet, the only right thing is the pictures from the ground, the photos os 5 day old baby girl being burned with its clothes over her.>

            And you're an expert to know that this is WP, right? It could not be any other kind of explosion? That's what you're saying? Care to put forth your credentials in order for you to make this claim? Oh, right. You read it somewhere. That's enough for you, I suppose.

            <I have NO prove now in my hands, i do know that hamas got some weapons, but LEGAL,>

            How is shooting missiles at innocent Israelis "LEGAL"? That's a war crime, by the way...

            <Pictures proove what i am saying.>

            Then post them. Let's see your 'proof'.

            <I will upload some pictures so you cans ee by yourself IF you have the courage to look at the children being burned while their clothes were still on them.>

            That means nothing. One must be an expert to really prove anything, and you nor your propagandists are experts.

            <Reality hurts.>

            Yep, but you seem to be immune to the pain of reality.

            People like you, Amer, make things worse for those that actually LIVE in Gaza. Damned lucky that you got out, 'eh?

            Oh - may I be so bold to point out that if you help Hamas in any material manner, you may just be in big trouble with the government that you now rely upon for so many things in your life there in Ohio...just something to think about.


    • Amer,

      How do you know what weapons Hamas has or other countries for that matter? How can you make such a statement?

      If you're going to state claims of fact then support them with proof, otherwise there is absolutely no reason to believe what you're saying. Provide links to your sources.
      • Well Shiekh i know what i am saying because i am Palestinian who witnessed all these nazist policies and racist and aparthied ones by the state of terror. I have NO prove now in my hands, i do know that hamas got some weapons, but LEGAL, as i also know that "israel" has also nuclear weapons, and illegal chemical weapons, that were used in the WB and Gaa and the war on Lebanon.

        Pictures proove what i am saying. I will upload some pictures so you cans ee by yourself IF you have the courage to look at the children being burned while their clothes were still on them. Thats the powerful evidence of using illegal weapons. Reality hurts.

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