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Jewish settlers attack British diplomats in Hebron
HEBRON, West Bank (Reuters) - A small group of Jewish settlers attacked a delegation of British diplomats during a visit to the West Bank city of Hebron on Thursday, the British Consulate said.
The consulate in Jerusalem said the diplomats were attacked while touring the area in an armored car. None were injured.
A Palestinian security official in the city said one of the settlers kicked the car after trying to open one of its doors.
Tension often runs high in Hebron, home to 180,000 Palestinians and around 650 Jewish settlers who live in fortified enclaves guarded by Israeli troops.
Diplomats regularly visit the flashpoint city to assess security conditions and the role of settlers.
The British diplomats were taking part in a tour by a group called "Breaking the Silence."
Tours by the group, led by former Israeli soldiers, are often attacked by some settlers who see them as siding with the Palestinians.
The British consulate said Israeli police intervened after the attack and an investigation was under way.
The Israeli government had no immediate comment.
(Reporting by Joseph Nasr in Jerusalem and Haitham Tamimi in Hebron; editing by Tim Pearce)
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 9:39 AMLovely -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 9:49 AMyeah, a great move
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 9:59 AMThis is the stupid shit that people do when they're brought up to believe that they are the Chosen people of god. This is another display of insane conceit. -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 10:35 AM<<Tension often runs high in Hebron, home to 180,000 Palestinians and around 650 Jewish settlers who live in fortified enclaves guarded by Israeli troops. >>
and this is one of the biggest obstacles to peace in the area. The settlers in Hebron seem particularly fanatical. It would seem pretty logical to give up these settlements for peace.
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 1:46 PM<and this is one of the biggest obstacles to peace in the area. The settlers in Hebron seem particularly fanatical. It would seem pretty logical to give up these settlements for peace.>
And, they will with any comprehensive peace settlement. It's just a matter of time and inclination on the side of the Pals.
The last remaining real issue is Jerusalem. How would that suss out? The Pals have a lot of people in Jerusalem, right? Or, have they been cleared out/left? I don't know the answer to that question.
But, once they figure out what to do with Jerusalem, there's not much else stopping a peace treaty, well......besides the fact that the Pals don't want one. -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 3:50 PMAndrew,
What do you know about the Palestinians to assert what they do or don't want? What do you think you're achieving by that last comment except to show how much of an asshole you really are and how prejudice you are. You completely ignore the prime example of someone who doesn't want peace, namely Yehudi, who excuses all acts of violence committed by the settlers, who suggests that the Palestinians are oppressing the settlers, who can't even recognize that when a man kills 29 people that he is a terrorist. Yet you point a finger or judgment at the Palestinians with a broad sweep, a ridiculously gross generalization and even accusation based on nothing but your own prejudice.
You keep declaring what will or won't happen, what compromises will be met, what components of a peace plan will include, and then you make an asshole judgment about people that you don't know. That is how you operate, like a smarmy little spoiled brat who isn't mature enough to be accountable to his own behaviors.
Andrew I think it's you that doesn't want peace...who finds excuses to blame the Palestinians every chance you have, and who never truly holds the settlers or the Israelis in general responsible for the acts that they commit that cause harm to civilians. It's become a joke to predict how you will respond to articles that are critical of Israel, because we all know what you'll say and the method that you'll use to deflect attention away from the Israeli perpetrators, instead to manufacture the myth of what the Palestinians would do. You are relying on stories that you make up instead of being accountable. That is not how someone who wants peace would pursue and understanding of what events occurred. -
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Fri, August 8, 2008 - 1:43 AM<What do you know about the Palestinians to assert what they do or don't want?>
What I read. I don't make shit up - just what the actual groups state that they want. It's no secret.
<What do you think you're achieving by that last comment except to show how much of an asshole you really are and how prejudice you are.>
What in the world are you talking about? And, moreso - you complain about people calling names, yet you're ALWAYS the first to call names. Talk about an asshole. I've not called anyone names in this group (well, except for the Steves) in months and months. Hypocrite.
<But, once they figure out what to do with Jerusalem, there's not much else stopping a peace treaty, well......besides the fact that the Pals don't want one.>
What's prejudiced about that? Please point out the prejudice. I dare you.
<You completely ignore the prime example of someone who doesn't want peace, namely Yehudi, who excuses all acts of violence committed by the settlers,>
You should read better. Every time that he says something that I feel is inappropriate, I call him on it.
<Yet you point a finger or judgment at the Palestinians with a broad sweep, a ridiculously gross generalization and even accusation based on nothing but your own prejudice.>
Save it. I "point a finger or judgment at the Palestinians with a broad sweep" JUST like Carolyn does - but you call ME out on MY "own prejudice"? She's nothing but a bias that knows how to cut and paste. And, you say this about ME? At least I will lend my OPINION to these issues. When's the last time that she did that?
<That is how you operate, like a smarmy little spoiled brat who isn't mature enough to be accountable to his own behaviors.>
Let's see...........if I ask Carolyn to boot you for calling people names, will you then "be accountable to [your] own behaviors"? Let's find out.
<Andrew I think it's you that doesn't want peace...>
Obviously you can type, but not read. A strange sickness. I have said OVER AND OVER that I want all sides to go back to Camp David and ratify that agreement. Y'r an idiot.
<...and who never truly holds the settlers or the Israelis in general responsible for the acts that they commit that cause harm to civilians.>
I tell you what......I'll worry about some people being beaten up when the missiles truly stop. When these groups stop threatening the very existence of Israel. I'll then start to whine about some people with black eyes.
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 12:16 PM> ...who see them as siding with the Palestinians.
Well.... they're probably right about that.
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 12:51 PMAdam,
There you go again. Making a negative judgment of what would happen if the situation were reversed. You are assuming something that you can't prove and you are showing a willful disregard for something that did occur. Instead of saying that the settlers who attacked these diplomats committed an act that is unjustified you choose to manufacture a myth. You do this all the time Adam. What the settlers did is not acceptable behavior and you show a complete inability to hold them accountable for their actions.
How you don't recognize the hypocrisy in your methods is fascinating.
It doesn't matter how you think the Palestinians would respond in a particular situation. And that is certainly not as important as addressing what actually happened. The reality is that these people were visiting this area because of the ongoing strife and violence and the people who demonstrated themselves to be violent and irrational were the settlers. That is all that matters when discussing this event. Cut the crap Adam, you have an obsessive need to protect the image of the settlers by promoting what you imagine the Palestinians would do as if this were about points and scores. Each event needs to be addressed on it's own merits. -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 12:54 PM"Each event needs to be addressed on it's own merits."
Absolutely.
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 1:52 PM<There you go again. Making a negative judgment of what would happen if the situation were reversed.>
There's nothing wrong with that, and your repeated attempts to negate the reasonable in-context comments by Adam is really unnecessary.
On EVERY point we should have BOTH SIDE'S realities, right?
Yes, this British guy had the door of the car he was in kicked. But, Adam's right. What would have happened to someone in Gaza trying to what Adam discussed? I guarantee you that it'd be worse than a kicked door.....
<You are assuming something that you can't prove...>
A) Yes, that's why it's an assumption.
but,
B) He did not assume anything. He ASKED A QUESTION.
<How you don't recognize the hypocrisy in your methods is fascinating.>
And you don't recognize that you're over-reacting. He was proffering a question - a point.
<It doesn't matter how you think the Palestinians would respond in a particular situation.>
Sure it does. There needs to be balance, Sheik. This group is pretty much just an anti-Israeli propaganda group. So, I think that it's important that someone express the reality that there are two sides to this coin. Yes, a door got kicked.......horrible. But, let's put that in context to what would very possibly happen to the same guy in Gaza looking up dirt on Hamas.....
That's relevant, and a reasonable question to ask.
<"Each event needs to be addressed on it's own merits.">
HA!!! When one of you starts mentioning some balanced viewpoints, I'll find that line relevant. Carolyn, when you EVER start commenting on BOTH sides, you'll become credible. At least Adam will respond to BOTH sides of the issue, right?
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 2:02 PMI don't need to compare every situation being discussed to another situation that isn't even relevent to the topic of the discussion. If it's about settlers kicking in a door, then it's about a settler kicking in the door. Doesn't have to be compared to a hypothetical situation that hasen't even occured. -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 3:18 PMWhy do you have to divert every topic regarding a settler or an Israeli and something they did to what a Palestinian would do?
It's to take away attention from the real subject at hand.
It gets old real soon.
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Fri, August 8, 2008 - 1:36 AM<I don't need to compare every situation being discussed to another situation that isn't even relevent to the topic of the discussion.>
That's been my point all along - you don't understand that this IS relevant. It is.
<If it's about settlers kicking in a door, then it's about a settler kicking in the door.>
Fine. Then from now on I'll do the same thing with every mortar, missile and suicide bomb. That I guess is fair play, 'eh?
<Doesn't have to be compared to a hypothetical situation that hasen't even occured.>
Luckily for me, I don't have to use hypotheticals in this context. Everything that I described happened, and will probably happen again as soon as these groups can get past the added security.
<Why do you have to divert every topic regarding a settler or an Israeli and something they did to what a Palestinian would do?>
Because your bias is so crazy, that I honestly do not believe that you understand the difference between some asshole settlers and the psychopathic terrorists. You don't understand that the MAIN reason that the wall was built and the checkpoints were multiplied were because of the attacks WITHIN Israel. No attacks, no walls, no added checkpoints - maybe peace. You don't understand any other context because of your bias.
<It's to take away attention from the real subject at hand.>
No, the "subject at hand" has a dozen threads in this group. I don't think that the subject is being ignored.
Yes, Settlers are horrible people. We all agree with that. But, there's a reason that Israel deals with the Pals like they do - there's a reason.
< adam and andrew your argument methods are seriously flawed. Perhaps a lesson in basic logic would help.>
Brent, why not tell me where my "argument methods are seriously flawed"? Come on. Lay it out for me.
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 3:21 PMadam and andrew your argument methods are seriously flawed. Perhaps a lesson in basic logic would help.
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 4:08 PMAndrew,
Yes, there is something wrong with that, and no it is not even close to being a reasonable in-context comment. If it were in context it wouldn't include the assumption of what might happen under certain circumstances, it would involve actual events. And it isn't reasonable to assert knowing what would or wouldn't happen because that assumption is intended to further someones interests or beliefs.
No Adam isn't right. Because this is just one of the many feeble attempts that you and he rely on instead of simply holding the perpetrators of a violent act accountable. If you think your creating balance, then why have you never one time expressed a belief in what the Israelis or settlers would do if they were in a situation where a Palestinian committed a violent act. All you to is point a finger at the Palestinian, and judge them. Everything that you say about Palestinians is judgment and ridicule. If you can't hold a settler accountable for an act of violence without deflecting attention onto the Palestinians then you're simply a weak and dishonest racist.
You tell me that there needs to be balance? Look in the fucking mirror. No it doesn't matter what you think the Palestinians will or won't do in a situation unless it's to protect your preconceived notions and beliefs. Telling someone what would happen in a situation that has never occurred doesn't prove anything, NOTHING. It is a tactic used to excuse an act of violence that did occur and that you are not willing to accept.
When one of us starts mentioning balanced viewpoints. All you do is cruise threads without actually contributing anything beyond your declarations of what is or isn't right. You and Yehudi even criticized me for being in the middle, for straddling the fence. What a joke. Your words do not carry the same message as your behavior, and you are simply projecting what you do onto other people. For you to tell people to mention balanced viewpoints completely fucked up.
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Fri, August 8, 2008 - 1:49 AM<If you think your creating balance, then why have you never one time expressed a belief in what the Israelis or settlers would do if they were in a situation where a Palestinian committed a violent act.>
I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.
<If you can't hold a settler accountable for an act of violence without deflecting attention onto the Palestinians then you're simply a weak and dishonest racist.>
Sheik, you can't just call everyone a racist because you don't like that person. That's a very serious charge. You should be ashamed at yourself.
Moreso - I DO hold the settlers accountable, and expect that any settler that does anything illegal will be charged with their crimes. I have said that a number of times.
<When one of us starts mentioning balanced viewpoints.>
HA! When has anyone here besides Adam (and maybe one or two others that are not here that often) ever tried to find any balance? Find me ONE example, please. Hell, let's see an example from YOUR OWN posts.
<You and Yehudi even criticized me for being in the middle, for straddling the fence. What a joke.>
No, that seems right on. You try to hard to appease one side.
<Adam speaks for both sides of the issue? Before I thought you were Yehudi's bitch, but I guess you'll grovel to anyone that shares your opinions about the Arabs.>
Y'r not even smart enough to recognize that you should show shame for your statements.
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 12:55 PMah, the usual simplistic dismissive reply by Adam. You really refuse to hold any Israelis accountable for their actions, don't you?
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 5:12 PMFrom the headline, I was expecting to read about shots fired, bombs detonated or stones thrown instead it was this?
>>> A Palestinian security official in the city said one of the settlers kicked the car after trying to open one of its doors.
He tried to open the door of an armored car (no less) and then kicked it? That's an attack? These settlers are wimps!
A (stupid) buddy of mine took a short cut through the west bank driving from Beer Sheva to Jerusalem during the height of the intifada - he was set upon by a Palestinian mob who completely destroyed his car, he was then pulled from his vehicle and finally rescued by an Israeli patrol. Now THAT"S an attack!
If the settler got into the car - do you think he would done something like ---- turned up the radio really really loud?
I mean sure the settler(s) are stupid and provocative acts like this are not helpful but talk about distorted headlines!
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 6:44 PM"He tried to open the door of an armored car (no less) and then kicked it? That's an attack? These settlers are wimps!"
Regardless if this was a mob attack or an attack by a single man, it was still a violent act using intimidation which is still straight up wrong.
If it wasn't much of an attack then why did it make the news through several news sources not just the one linked to this article here.
The settlers of Hebron are a very violent group and well known as a source of many violent incidences against Palestinians. That is easily sourced. -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 7:16 PMHere, another link bout this story...
Jewish settlers attack British diplomats in Hebron
HEBRON, West Bank (Reuters) - A small group of Jewish settlers attacked a delegation of British diplomats during a visit to the West Bank city of Hebron on Thursday, the British Consulate said.
The consulate in Jerusalem said the diplomats were attacked while touring the area in an armored car. None were injured.
A Palestinian security official in the city said one of the settlers kicked the car after trying to open one of its doors.
Tension often runs high in Hebron, home to 180,000 Palestinians and around 650 Jewish settlers who live in fortified enclaves guarded by Israeli troops.
Diplomats regularly visit the flashpoint city to assess security conditions and the role of settlers.
The British diplomats were taking part in a tour by a group called "Breaking the Silence."
Tours by the group, led by former Israeli soldiers, are often attacked by some settlers who see them as siding with the Palestinians.
The British consulate said Israeli police intervened after the attack and an investigation was under way.
The Israeli government had no immediate comment.
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080...settlers_dc
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 10:34 PMI just might note that ALL of the links you keep providing to the story are just the exact same story replicated over and over. This is the nature of the Internet. That doesn't make the story any more important - it simply speaks to the lack any meaningful content in the bulk of the Internet. -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 10:39 PMThe settler attack was still significant, It just shows how out of control they are in Hebron even if it wasn't a big incident. They are a dangerous presence in that city, living in there illegal settlements in occupird West Bank. -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 10:45 PMAgain, I disagree. This incident shows very little evidence of anything except perhaps a slow news day in Middle East. It perhaps only is meaningful to you inasmuch as it bolsters your own view of the situation in some limited way.
It is interesting that you, who seemed to be advocating for a one state solution yesterday, see the presence of settlers in Hebron as both illegal and dangerous. That certainly doesn't bode well for a one state solution, does it? -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 10:49 PMMy dream of a one-state solution takes a back seat to international law that says these settlements are illegal.
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 7:21 PMWhy did this silly "attack" make the news?
That's a great question. That's exactly what I want to know. Why didn't my buddy's attack make the news?
Why did it take three reporters to file this report? That's another good question.
BTW I already said the "attack" was stupid. It just seems to me the headline is inflammatory and inaccurate.
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Fri, August 8, 2008 - 1:55 AM<A (stupid) buddy of mine took a short cut through the west bank driving from Beer Sheva to Jerusalem during the height of the intifada - he was set upon by a Palestinian mob who completely destroyed his car, he was then pulled from his vehicle and finally rescued by an Israeli patrol. Now THAT"S an attack!>
Lumi - stop with your prejudiced attempts to lay blame on the Pals. I mean, this guy might have dropped his soda if he was startled by the settler kicking the car!
<The settlers of Hebron are a very violent group and well known as a source of many violent incidences against Palestinians. That is easily sourced.>
True, they've beaten up a number of people lately. Those missiles and mortars? Nothing next to a good ass beating.
Is that what you meant, Sheik?
And, Carolyn, it made news - NOT because of any actual violence of measure - but because it was a British diplomat.
<I just might note that ALL of the links you keep providing to the story are just the exact same story replicated over and over. This is the nature of the Internet. That doesn't make the story any more important - it simply speaks to the lack any meaningful content in the bulk of the Internet.>
A great lesson in reality. Unheeded of course, but a great one all the same.
<It is interesting that you, who seemed to be advocating for a one state solution yesterday, see the presence of settlers in Hebron as both illegal and dangerous. That certainly doesn't bode well for a one state solution, does it?>
That's a logical thought, Lumi. But, don't try to include logic in the "one-state solution". It makes no sense and is impossible. A waste of time. One may just dream that Israel leave........well, that's been proffered as a suggestion too, so I should probably not use that as a good example.
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