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Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

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Or do the go to temple?

What hymns do they sing?

What exactly is a judeaoChristian?
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    Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

    Sat, December 26, 2009 - 2:07 PM
    www.jewishworldreview.com/0304/...4.php3

    What does 'Judeo-Christian' mean?

    By Dennis prager

    The uniqueness of America

    www.jewishworldreview.com | The United States of America is the only country in history to have defined itself as Judeo-Christian. While the Western world has consisted of many Christian countries and consists today of many secular countries, only America has called itself Judeo-Christian. America is also unique in that it has always combined secular government with a society based on religious values.


    But what does "Judeo-Christian" mean? We need to know. Along with the belief in liberty — as opposed to, for example, the European belief in equality, the Muslim belief in theocracy, and the Eastern belief in social conformity — Judeo-Christian values are what distinguish America from all other countries. That is why American coins feature these two messages: "In G-d we trust" and "Liberty."


    Yet, for all its importance and its repeated mention, the term is not widely understood. It urgently needs to be because it is under ferocious assault, and if we do not understand it, we will be unable to defend it. And if we cannot defend it, America will become as amoral as France, Germany, Russia, et al.


    First, Judeo-Christian America has differed from Christian countries in Europe in at least two important ways. One is that the Christians who founded America saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, as much as to theirs. And even more importantly, they strongly identified with the Jews.


    For example, Thomas Jefferson wanted the design of the seal of the United States to depict the Jews leaving Egypt. Just as the Hebrews left Egypt and its values, Americans left Europe and its values (if only those who admire Jefferson would continue to take his advice).






    Founders and other early Americans probably studied Hebrew, the language of the Jewish Bible at least as much as Greek, the language of the New. Yale, founded in 1701, adopted a Hebrew insignia, and Hebrew was compulsory at Harvard until 1787. The words on the Liberty Bell, "Proclaim Liberty throughout all the land . . . ," are from the Torah. Vast numbers of Americans took Hebrew names — like Benjamin Franklin and Cotton Mather (kattan in Hebrew means "little one" or "younger").


    The consequences included a strong Hebrew Bible view of the world — meaning, in part, a strong sense of fighting for earthly justice, an emphasis on laws, a belief in a judging, as well as a loving and forgiving, G-d, and a belief in the chosenness of the Jews which America identified with.


    The significance of this belief in American chosenness cannot be overstated. It accounts for the mission that Americans have uniquely felt called to — to spread liberty in the world.


    This sense of mission is why more Americans have died for the liberty of others than any other nation's soldiers.


    It is why those who today most identify with the Judeo-Christian essence of America are more likely to believe in the moral worthiness of dying to liberate countries — not only Europe, but Korea, Vietnam and Iraq. That is why America stands alone in protecting two little countries threatened with extinction, Israel and Taiwan. That is why conservative Americans are more likely to believe in American exceptionalism — in not seeking, as President Bush put it, a "permission slip" from the United Nations, let alone from Europe.


    The second meaning of Judeo-Christian is a belief in the biblical G-d of Israel, in His Ten Commandments and His biblical moral laws. It is a belief in universal, not relative, morality. It is a belief that America must answer morally to this G-d, not to the mortal, usually venal, governments of the world.


    That is why those who most affirm Judeo-Christian values lead the fight against redefining marriage. We believe that a pillar of Judeo-Christian values is to encourage the man-woman sexual and marital ideal, and to provide children with the opportunity to benefit from the unique gifts that a man and a woman give a child, gifts that are never replicable by two men alone or two women.


    That is why those who most affirm Judeo-Christian values are unmoved by the idea that the war in Iraq is moral if Germany, France, China and Russia say so, but immoral if they oppose it. We ask first what G-d and the Bible would say about liberating Iraq, not what Syria and other members of the U.N. Security Council say.


    That is why those who most affirm Judeo-Christian values believe that war, while always tragic, is on more than a few occasions a moral duty. Nothing "Judeo" ever sanctioned pacifism. Of course, the Hebrew Prophet Isaiah yearned for the day that nations will beat their swords into plowshares. But another Hebrew Prophet, Joel, who is never cited by those who wish to read the secular value of pacifism into the Bible, said precisely the opposite: "Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weakling say, 'I am strong!'"


    And that is why those who want Judeo-Christian values to disappear from American public life affirm multiculturalism, seek to remove mention of G-d from all public life, and make Christmas a private, not a national, holiday.


    The battle over whether America remains Judeo-Christian or becomes secular like Europe is what this, the Second American Civil War, is about.
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      Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

      Sun, December 27, 2009 - 10:33 AM
      It's nice to see people who think they have things all figured out.

      So Umm where do they go to church?
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        Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

        Sun, December 27, 2009 - 8:15 PM
        "It's nice to see people who think they have things all figured out."

        Now who is pretending to be clairovoyant?
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          Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

          Tue, December 29, 2009 - 4:55 PM
          Are you saying you don't have things all figured out?

          There may yet be hope for you my child.


          Humility is a difficult food at first, but it digests real well.

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            Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

            Sat, January 2, 2010 - 3:26 PM
            there are some things I have figured out. I have figured out that atheists are fools for example. Life has taught me that a personal God exists. I have arrived at the knowledge that the bible is true also.

            One thing which still puzzles me is how a bear who has rejected these obvious truths could embrace conservatism. So I have reason to remain my humble self.
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              Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

              Mon, January 4, 2010 - 6:34 AM
              That's nice Dan. I am so very happy for you that you have such a hot line onto cosmic magical truth and reality.
              And you get it all for free by just closing your eyes and clicking your heels three times.

              That's really great and I am happy for you.
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                Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

                Mon, January 4, 2010 - 6:54 AM
                no you aren't, you are being sarcastic as usual. I do not believe in magic or in oz, nor do I embrace a blind faith, as you do. I accept many of the same axioms that you do. The difference is I follow them to their logical conclusion. For example, you are here debating me so you must embrace the immaterial laws of logic. If the world is simply material, why would universal immaterial laws of logic exist? Perhaps you can explain and I am certianly open to hear, how this fits with your world view. But suffice to say that the bible predicts their existence since it posits a Universal immaterial personal orderly logical creative force, God. Numerous scientific studies confirm the existence of the non material world. Yet only the biblical creationist world view is consistent with it because it predicts a logical orderly intelligible universe which can be studied and known. The evolutionary world view makes no such prediction whatsoever. It must borrow from biblical Christianity to do science and offer logical arguments. Of course, a world view which must borrow from a competing world view to advance its propositions must be invalid.
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                  Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

                  Mon, January 4, 2010 - 7:12 PM
                  **************no you aren't, you are being sarcastic as usual.***************

                  Oh yes I am happy for you. Why shouldn't I be? If you have stumbled upon a path that gives you happiness it seems only reasonable to be happy for you.

                  So I bless you my child. Go and sin no more.


                  ************ I do not believe in magic or in oz************

                  One man's magic is another's rock of foundation.


                  *********** nor do I embrace a blind faith********

                  Well it stands to reason that the very frst person to deny that would be ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

                  ********* as you do.***********

                  If only you were able to do as I do. You would then ascend to godhood and be a fit companion.

                  ***********I accept many of the same axioms that you do.************

                  I don't accept axioms I create them for lesser beings ( my creations) to discover and follow.

                  ***************The difference is I follow them to their logical conclusion.**********

                  It is true that you are following. The rest of the assertion is - - - well - - you have many rivers to cross my child. Enjoy the journey. I created it for you.

                  ***********For example, you are here debating me so you must embrace the immaterial laws of logic.***********

                  Debating? So that's what you think is transpiring. That would explain rather a lot.



                  ***********If the world is simply material, why would universal immaterial laws of logic exist?************

                  You my poor benighted mortal creation can never know what exists beyond the material. You can assemble and pray and implore and even assign to one of your assembly the status of prophet claiming that this one has some intimate discourse with Me ALLAH GOID of all.
                  IT is a fine thing for you to to do this as it gives you comfort and a sense of perspective.
                  Enjoy the journey my child. I created it for you.


                  ********* Perhaps you can explain and I am certianly open to hear, how this fits with your world view.***********

                  I could explain many and much that no mere human may comprehend. I am YHWH I am the Eternal Omniprescience.
                  God does not have a "world view." That would be patently child like.

                  ********* But suffice to say that the bible predicts their existence since it posits a Universal immaterial personal orderly logical creative force, God.************

                  Ahh back to the one whom you have designated as having an intimate dialog with me.
                  Well it it floats your boat then Enjoy the journey for I GOD your GOD have created it for you.

                  **************Numerous scientific studies confirm the existence of the non material world.*************

                  Actually no. there is no such confirmation on any level of such a proposition from this endeavor which you humans call "science."


                  **********Yet only the biblical creationist world view is consistent with it because it predicts a logical orderly intelligible universe which can be studied and known.***************

                  Enjoy your journey my child for I GOD, your GOD have created it for you.

                  **********The evolutionary world view makes no such prediction whatsoever.************

                  Poor human. A world view is a construct held by a human. It is not a predictive entity with sentience. Nothing you create can achieve sentience. It can at best mimic that which I have imbued you with for I am GOD.

                  ************ It must borrow from biblical Christianity to do science and offer logical arguments.************


                  Christianity is one of the many paths I have created for your entertainment and edification along your journey.
                  Enjoy it for I your GOD have created it for you my child.

                  ********** Of course, a world view which must borrow from a competing world view to advance its propositions must be invalid.******************

                  So long as you persist in denigrating the people around you, you will never finish your journty. It would be most sad that yet one more among all the billions who have gone before you will end their journey and not have achieved knowledge.

                  Many are the paths that lead to knowledge, that knowledge which I have laid out for you as a Sheppard laying out a banquet for his flock.
                  Come and enjoy the repast. But beware: Judge not lest ye be judged and MENE MENE TEKEL
                  Caution I urge upon you young one.
                  Do not take too quickly to the path of judgment it is a grave and ponderous burden one shoulders who presumes to judge his fellows on the journey.
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                    Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

                    Wed, January 6, 2010 - 12:29 PM
                    "I could explain many and much that no mere human may comprehend. I am YHWH I am the Eternal Omniprescience.
                    God does not have a "world view." That would be patently child like."

                    Allah and YHWH? Mixed metaphors.

                    ************ It must borrow from biblical Christianity to do science and offer logical arguments.************

                    "Christianity is one of the many paths I have created for your entertainment and edification along your journey.
                    Enjoy it for I your GOD have created it for you my child."

                    Sorry, But God would not create "many contradictory paths". He is logical and this would be irrational. Islam is a faith for which there is no defense (apologetic). It is false.

                    ********** Of course, a world view which must borrow from a competing world view to advance its propositions must be invalid.******************

                    "So long as you persist in denigrating the people around you, you will never finish your journty. It would be most sad that yet one more among all the billions who have gone before you will end their journey and not have achieved knowledge."

                    Pointing out that someone is illogical in an assertion is not denigrating, it is educating. Apparently you are a god only in our own mind.
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                      Re: Where do the JudeaoChristians go to church?

                      Fri, January 8, 2010 - 11:25 AM
                      ************Allah and YHWH? Mixed metaphors.************

                      Not any metaphor. I am the only god, I have created the cosmos, I create weal and woe I have cast the firmament for you to wonder at.
                      It is I, your GOD Allah, who blesses you with life.


                      ***********Sorry, But God would not create "many contradictory paths".*************

                      This is not untypical of the human experience. You are made to judge the cosmos using your own limitations as your only gauge.
                      I Allah, your GOD, can create as many paths as I see fit. I am unlimited by your limitations. I am infinite.
                      You last but for a fleeting instant, precious things that you are.

                      ********

                      ***********He is logical and this would be irrational. Islam is a faith for which there is no defense (apologetic). It is false.********

                      Judge not lest ye be judged.
                      Mene mene tekel

                      **************pointing out that someone is illogical in an assertion is not denigrating*************

                      You risk eternal hellfire by challenging your GOD.

                      '************* it is educating. Apparently you are a god only in our own mind.********

                      There is nothing except that which I draw from my mind. I am GOD. I have created every thing. Even your thoughts have been given to you by myself. Even the unworthy and evil along with the good and noble all come from the one and only creative power in all infinitude. I have blessed you abundantly so that your journey may be rich. Take eat of the bread of life and be ennobled by your God.

                      Fall down and worship your GOD human, for I am the Great and powerful Allah God of All~!!

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