PSYIENCE (the understanding of)

topic posted Sun, January 21, 2007 - 11:32 AM by  Unsubscribed
So the biggest influence isn't high school, or best friends. It isn't your favorite band.

It is what surrounds you 24 hours a day 7 days a "week."

Its this "program" called life, and the various scenarios that you encounter. We are not free, but can become free...we all feel this, and we all now how to get there.

NOW, look at why you think the government tries to prevent us from mind-freeing substances. Make a little more sense?

We will go into the why's later. But first...how and when.

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HOW:

They say "The originals always the best."

This phrase normally directly relates to movies, or drinks...but maybe we should apply this to our lifelong way of thinking/living.

The BASE or FOUNDATION makes up the vast majority (95 % or more I feel) of our lives. I am referring to the base as our childhood and raising, as well as our base as a civilization.

Keep in mind that TRULY understanding the things we all take for granted and think aren't important is the ONLY way to regress into love.

This is one of the "blocks" very similar to the anti-drug cloud over our heads. If we are taught, however we were, that the basic things DON'T need deciphering, than we won't question as much of them. This is true and if I took enough time (or someone wants to help out with it) it could be put into an equation. Basically those things we are "afraid" or "too developed" to double check and question, stand in our way and prevent further learning.

And that's where it starts: learning. For all of us, wherever you are, we CAN learn from each other. Remember on Saw II (just ok :) how they had to figure something out, but the ONE number they couldn't see was on the back of their necks? Well maybe just maybe our own prejudice and pride (wow, pride and prejudice ?) is one of those blocks of learning and prevents us from opening up enough to neighbors to gain TRUE knowledge of ourselves (for we are part of IT ALL.) And another block is the dividing of the peoples into sections and "classes" (middle class etc.) that fogs the communication process. "Don't talk to strangers, trust NO ONE." These measures put in place BY OUR GOVERNMENT really are to keep their way of life secure, not ours.

Anyone that has read 1984 or thinks similarly might see part of the "why" already...but it goes so deep that it takes us all to really understand.

Here's a little INTER ACTION we will call it. At your computer, now look around at the "brands" you see. I don't think individual people EVER make these or keep credit for these things. Just as sometimes you feel that huge sweepstakes winners are actually sweepstakes holders? I see Energizer for batteries. Orbit for gum (which really intrigues me.) But anyways, look around at these things and think of them all as "influences" or your sub conciseness' "food", think of it all as part of the program. Does it all seem just a little too.........obvious? That's not the best word but I hope you all get the drift. I hope it feels like static or a disturbance in your fully fluid way of life. If it does at all, for anyone...let me know and we will talk.

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Well, when I have more time I will go on...Ben Jammin has a lot of good knowledge to share on this subject, he INSPIRED ME! Thanks for helping me see what only you can see in me Ben. Thank you!

A final note:


The further we go into the future, the further away from the past. (think deeply)

BEGINNING------->------->------->------->------->------->------->END (future)
Pure Emotion------->------->------->------->------->------->----->No Emotion (robots?)
(natural for the mind)------->------->------->------->------->---->(a program for the mind)

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Corey



Just as I "proofread" this, go back, and look at a little bit of it. Realize that the term "week" is not a very good thing. We know keeping track of time was important, and the ancients created this, but they were also human. This "program" I speak of has its roots. As do we all. Is keeping track of time, making things ORGANIZED also an enemy to the natural flowing way of life the animals experience? I mean emotion holds no exactness, nor does the sun's exact amount of heat/love it gives off. Organization, making things in units, is part of the modern life. And it may be just as evil as the wonderful concept we once created called.......money! This deserves further thinking...and I'm sure we will get the chance, I hope. Again, farewell for now.
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    Sun, January 21, 2007 - 12:18 PM
    Remember that I think of this program not as much of you might think. It's not like the matrix really.

    I feel we are far from how we are supposed to be living on this beautiful green earth.

    I feel that certain psychoactives take us back to the beginning and help to strip away the program (basically the junk in life.)

    You know how people have a fascination sometimes with babies. How people think they know so much?

    Well they do. Think of the saying "true knowledge exists in realizing you know nothing" or whatever.

    Well babies are pure, they are not filled with junk. Certain movies and things have made us think of this earth differently. The internet is not it. It is not the savior, many of us feel that way. The internet is just a branch of science or something else. It is just a detail of this vast web. It IS a way of communication and for that it has a good use.

    THIS WHOLE HISTORY OF MAN HAS BEEN JUST FINE TUNING INTO A CERTAIN WAY OF LIFE WE FEEL WE NEED TO LIVE. WE LIVE IN SPECIFICS, DEADLINES, ORANIZATION. WHEN ALL OF THIS IS JUST a WAY OF DEALING WITH THINGS AND LIVING.

    I feel after all the theorizing and conspiracy that it is really just pretty simple.

    The answer definetly isnt in some crazy ass hard to understand theory.

    Because the only thing that provides PURE TRUTH is this earth. Is the basic way of life.

    ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST A VERSION OR PART OF A SPIDERWEB OF INTERCONNECTED IDEAS AND MATTER THAT MAKE UP THIS EARTH.

    So, lets go back to get the truth.

    Lets stop progressing towards the miraculous shitiness.

    Hippie are are fucking smart and I never gave them enough credit :).


    Well, heres some ramblings, thats what this tribe is for.

    Hope you all find it in your hearts to share what you feel, I am VERY open-minded and not judgemental.

    Peace (someday hopefully)

    Corey
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      Mon, January 22, 2007 - 7:11 AM
      =) thanks for the kind words Corey. I'm just glad I could help out in some way.

      Like Pink Floyd sang
      "All in all, they're all just bricks in the wall"

      One can only think that what's on the other side of the all is nothing short of Utopia.

      the ego, the media programming our youth (as well as most everyone else!), the President's pig like actions (that usually always benefit him, or those close to him!), the fear the Government tries to keep everyone heavily focused on (threat level orange today!?!?! OH NO!), Capitalization, Consumerism, money, hate, oppression..

      so many blocks to tear down
      so many ways to tear them down

      i certainly believe that responsibly walking down the Poison Path and taking certain psychoactive compounds can help one to see all the blocks more clearly. whether you want to concentrate on your pesonal blocks, or the blocks closing in on our Planet, these plants/chemicals have, for me anyway, always been a great tool.

      I too feel we aren't headed in the right direction for what's best for the Earth as a whole.
      Global Warming, to me, is an apparent sign that She's trying to shake off our pollution and nasty fucking waste.
      With all the wonderful technology we have today, why the hell can't we sustain our lives and live WITH Mother Nature??
      I think that question can be narrowed down to who fucking runs the place..
      In our Capitalist economy, all the Capital and power is in the hands of a select FEW.
      Needless to say, what's best for the Earth would work perfectly and ultimately be cheaper; rather than throwing the WarPigs more money!
      So, we are led by the least among us. Like McKenna has said many times before me.

      I've heard several people talk about how it seems more and more people are reaching out compassionately and generally being more loving.. Some have said that the "Free Love" generation is bigger now than it ever was in the '60's. While, I don't see it around here (Georgia is lonely) I certainly believe it. Just having finished Daniel Pinchbeck's 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl (fabulous book, by the way. Thank you Daniel!!), I'm left with so much hope. Who's to say if the sychronicity between the Mayan, Hopi, Mckenna, etc. prophecies are true? What we can say, is that they are there. I believe we're working towards a new beginning. I believe the majority of the World wants love and peace.
      I believe the entire World NEEDS this.. this beauty, peace, love, understanding.. "The world is now far too dangerous for anything less than Utopia."—Buckminster Fuller

      hah i had to save that conversation we had man.
      thanks for starting the thread!
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        Mon, January 22, 2007 - 7:30 AM
        oh, and everyone check out this video
        Kermit the Frog and Jim Henson know what's going on!
        www.youtube.com/watch

        "so weve been told and some choose to believe it
        i know they're wrong. wait and see
        some day we'll find it, the rainbow connection
        the lovers, the dreamers and me...

        what's so amazing
        that keeps us stargazing
        and what do we think we'll see?

        all of us under it's spell, we know it's probably magic"

        and the BEST line, in my opinion!

        "Have you been half asleep?
        and have you heard voices?
        i heard them calling my name
        is this the sweet sound
        that calls the young sailor?
        the voices might be one in the same
        i've heard it too many times to ignore it
        it's something that i'm supposed to be
        someday we'll find it
        the rainbow connection
        the lovers
        the dreamers
        and me

        LAA DAA DAA DEE DOO DUMM LAA DAA DOOOOO"

        you guys have no idea how much i love the muppets
        and pretty much anything Jim Henson did.. haha.
        Why isn't there quality programming out there these days?
        Kids need to imagine!!

        Never give children a chance of imagining that anything exists in isolation. Make it plain from the very beginning that all living is relationship. Show them relationships in the woods, in the fields, in the ponds and streams, in the village and in the country around it. Rub it in.—Aldous Huxley
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      Mon, January 22, 2007 - 8:16 AM
      I can hear you Corey. Our era is ending inevitably, and the Western World is the main cause. The degenerate spiritual and moral conduct of this society has led to a global desperate, irreversible condition. There's no way we can prevent a global catastrophe or whatsoever. The cycle has to continue, and this 'Dark Age' must come to an end. What is solely and really important is to meditate as much as possible, and merge our individuality into Consciousness, which will purifiy our ego and so on. 'Correct' behaviour and morale will spontaneously develop, gathering us in 'real contact' with mother earth as well.

      Concerning the western world decay I strongly recommend a very high-trustworth reference by Rene Guenon: www.fonsvitae.com/rene-guen...risis.html
      All of his other books are stunning trutfhul also, imho.

      Peace
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        Mon, January 22, 2007 - 8:33 AM
        I know what you mean about the cycle continuing, but perhaps by the world as a whole changing their ways for the better of the Earth, we are continuing the cycle. Perhaps we are ushering in the "Golden Age". It's not too late to change our ways and clean up our Earth. I do agree with you about cleansing the ego. I think it's important that we save ourselves as well as the world!
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          Mon, January 22, 2007 - 8:43 AM
          'Whole world changing their ways"

          This is never going to happen. Simply because the "Dark Age" (Kali Yuga), as the name might suggest, forces masses onto struggle, ego-alike, consumistic, dark and cynical behaviours. You can see that everywhere. Lust & Evil prevail on Righteousness & Holy in pratically any modern society\country. Only a very small quantity of the entire world population is barely 'aware' (asin-- a consciousness meaning). And IMHO that amount may survive to the upcoming global cleanse. And YES, i dont dare to count myself into that.
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            Mon, January 22, 2007 - 9:19 AM
            Perhaps hoping for the best is out of the question.
            However, why not shoot for it anyway?
            "What we think, we become" Buddha
            Maybe by shooting for it, we can help others to wake up??
            =)
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              Mon, January 22, 2007 - 9:26 AM
              Self-initation is pointless, so is the presumption of initiate others.
              And about that 'Hope', nowadays it would auto-imply ego-proud-hope, which is fake. The 'real hope', based on the realization of the Supreme Self, have nothing in common with the current concept of 'hope'. I don't even try to manifest it.
              I am not a realized being, i'm just barely aware of what is going on around here, thanks to spontaneous intellect deductions and occasionally some non-ego intuitions (when under the effect of psychedelics). Don't know why, but i cant sober meditate properly. Might be lazyness, might be critical external influences.
              They only thing that i allow myself to advocate is suggesting books from time to time.
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                Mon, January 22, 2007 - 9:46 AM
                How can self-initiation be pointless??
                If it betters you as a person, I can think of no way it could do any harm.

                "And about that 'Hope', nowadays it would auto-imply ego-proud-hope, which is fake."
                That seems extremely harsh, in my opinion. If nothing else, the global conscious shift, is PURE HOPE.

                I believe that if you're awake, the future won't matter necessarily
                because you'll always be living in the present, which is all we really have.

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                  Mon, January 22, 2007 - 9:57 AM
                  "I believe that if you're awake, the future won't matter necessarily
                  because you'll always be living in the present, which is all we really have. "

                  I completely agree on this.

                  Initiation etimologically implies some spiritual master initiating you to a specific esoteric discipline and nowadays there are almost (dont know tho) none. It's the master who finds his disciple not viceversa. You can meditate and achieve a great state of consciousness, tho :)
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                    Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:01 AM
                    Who's to say who the "Master" is?
                    Are we not our own masters?
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                      Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:09 AM
                      Don't know where are you getting that information from.
                      IMHO history tells it bigtime, religions had different approaches upon individuals and their attributes. And don't get this as discrimination or something :)
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                        Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:16 AM
                        hmm. I meant..
                        I believe that we are our own masters.
                        I don't believe any one religion can tell you how to praise or believe or anything else

                        "The search for truth is neither new nor old... Nobody is a founder in it, nobody is a leader in it. It is such a vast phenomenon that many enlightened people have appeared, helped and disappeared."-Osho.
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                Mon, January 22, 2007 - 1:55 PM
                Well what's really weird is the fact of how miniscule we are on this green earth. And I mean human's as a race. It's shitty that we are destroying it, but I feel things are almost too large to combat now. It sounds sad or pessimistic but really I feel it's coming. And I almost want it to?
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          Mon, January 22, 2007 - 8:50 AM
          I'd also like to add that if you concentrate on all CONCRETE traditions whose traces *somehow still remain* on Earth (such as the Indian (Hinduism) \ Chinese (Taoism) \ Europe (Christianism) \ Israel (Hebraism) \ Middle-east and North-Africa (Islam)) you can clearly state that they're deprived of their esoterism and their real profund meanings, while they manifest only exoterically, through an empty-aggressive-moral war.
          Same goes with all minor-cults all around the world, with only a few exceptions (i.e. Papua Nuova Guinea, Borneo, Central Amazones etc).
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            Mon, January 22, 2007 - 9:25 AM
            I don't understand what you mean here..
            I was unaware that any of those Faiths were meant to be esoteric.
            Why wouldn't we want everyone to find their Truth?

            I can see what you mean about SOME of those manifesting "an empty-aggressive-moral war".
            However, I don't believe that's what the Faith is intended for..
            The only reason these Faith's are manifested that way, in my opinion, is because of corrupt humans.
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              Mon, January 22, 2007 - 9:33 AM
              Corrupted humans are submitted to cosmic laws etc.
              Everyone has his\her own truth, based on innate capabilities and qualities plus your life daily conditions (i.e. family conditions, educations, friends etc). And for what i know, accesing the truth (supreme metaphysics knowledge) has been always allowed only to a restrict number of persons in any 'non-denegerate' past traditions (so what called 'elites'). Any of the mentioned religion previously include this.
              Briefly, anyone could achieve a consciousness state, realizing which was his\her personal self\truth realization (i.e. a blacksmith would have became an impeccable blacksmith). This is the central point in question for the Caste System used in almost any non-modern society.
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                Mon, January 22, 2007 - 9:59 AM
                I strongly disagree with you on the truth being limited to a restricted number of people.
                That seems a little egotistical.

                I believe the truth is there for everyone to have.
                They just have to find it within themselves.
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                  Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:07 AM
                  You didn't get my point. I said that everyone might draw from the Eternal Truth his\her own personal truth and\or self-realization.
                  I was just showing initiation facts, which absolutely have nothing to do with our age\era.
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                    Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:24 AM
                    Such an interesting conversation.

                    I'd just like to pipe up here that my 'initiation' came from my soul through it's efforts to get me in the right time and place with the right people, the right dose of hoffmans bicycle and ... well man, that was the floodgates trip... it all opened up. Very much an initiation. Very not connected with any direct secular tradition other than a circle of deep thinking, soul interested trippers.
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                      Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:36 AM
                      There's nothing wrong with your spiritual growth\awareness, i just wouldn't consider it 'initiation'. Actually i've been walking (circa) on the same path.
                      And this is a very strong sign, more like 'spiritual anarchy'. We're leaning toward chaos, in any branch of our society.
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                      Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:40 AM
                      heh Very nice to hear your story of "initiation"
                      I had a similar experience thanks to Dr. Hofmann
                      Thats ultimately what woke me up..
                      It's like.. what I needed to know was already there.. just had to realize it first.
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                Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:44 AM
                Isn't the law of attraction a cosmic law?
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                  Mon, January 22, 2007 - 10:45 AM
                  There's a shitload of cosmic laws, from gravity to magnetism to karma :)
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                    Mon, January 22, 2007 - 4:12 PM
                    atman35
                    > There's a shitload of cosmic laws, from gravity to magnetism to karma :)

                    Which are all within the 'Law of Attraction' bubble... each of those is a manifestation in a 'law of attraction' universe. Your answer, though I'm sure correct in certain context, was on a different level than the question was intended in this context (I think).
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                      Mon, January 22, 2007 - 8:11 PM
                      Well everyone, thank you much.

                      I have regained hope in the fact that true intelligence at least is murking around out there.

                      Without correct use and placement, I'm afraid, it will all just blow away in the wind as hundreds of millions have in the past.

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                      We are so concerned about living in the "future" that we cannot correctly live our lives in the "present." The present then becomes the future, an infatuation with the un-obtainable, a period or rest in the mind until the moment it is needed, in which it is useless.

                      I wrote on a napkin one day at lunch:

                      "Life is a self-consuming program destined to an end. The moment uniqueness is encouraged, which is contained withing competition, communication ends and spreads at the speed at which it is created. We may, in fact, be doomed."


                      Corey

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