http://tribes.tribe.net/mobilegroovebomb/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#86a5bbd7-91f5-40a5-bef7-466f486092be Time is a most precious commodity these days... July 20th is still on the docket - and the bus leaves for the Playa on August 18th. We don't want to post dates and times that are not committed to - thus resulting is confusion. We will post them as soon as humanly possible!!! Promise you that! Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:27:55 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#86a5bbd7-91f5-40a5-bef7-466f486092be Rua 2008-06-23T23:27:55Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#35df0860-263e-4062-adaf-0ecc42354996 is this to imply that the posted july 20 work party may be rescheduled? i want to put a work party into my calendar as soon as possible (see also: before it gets filled with commitments) but july 20 is smack-dab in the middle of emrg-n-see *and* water in the desert!!! eep! Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:58:37 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#35df0860-263e-4062-adaf-0ecc42354996 keri 2008-06-23T19:58:37Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#bd0def87-274f-4cc7-b5d1-0c15638c7296 We're still trying to schedule that....it will likely be towards the end of July.... Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:11:43 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#bd0def87-274f-4cc7-b5d1-0c15638c7296 k8 industries™ 2008-06-23T15:11:43Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#9af0fdc9-d063-4e05-abc3-d65dc801ab8f Well, I guess I missed a whole bunch of fun stuff today. I'm at work 8am this Sunday to 8am Monday, damn. But now I now how to find you, so.... I'm just going to have to keep trying. And, I guess that means I have to ask, again... so, when's the next work party? Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:43:31 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#9af0fdc9-d063-4e05-abc3-d65dc801ab8f Lady K 2008-06-23T06:43:31Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#b3568b48-b99e-4a97-9b6d-67f1461a1d13 actually it will be more like 10-3 at the shop then out to the jantezn beach parking lot to set it all up and test drive it from 4-6pm Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:30:40 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#b3568b48-b99e-4a97-9b6d-67f1461a1d13 $item.owner.firstName 2008-06-22T00:30:40Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#2814e018-32a0-442b-8d2a-9ccf362a4270 Tomorrow is the next work party from 11am to 3pm at Andy's shop, which is at 5150 NE Cully. Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:00:04 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#2814e018-32a0-442b-8d2a-9ccf362a4270 k8 industries™ 2008-06-21T17:00:04Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#4ca77be3-72ad-4f4a-aec1-6c8ba3fdafe7 Okay, so when's the next work party? Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:58:22 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#4ca77be3-72ad-4f4a-aec1-6c8ba3fdafe7 Lady K 2008-06-21T07:58:22Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#a393a649-7bcb-4b30-9620-f89b572c86ca Lemme know, cause I still got the pudding ring... Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:18:12 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#a393a649-7bcb-4b30-9620-f89b572c86ca The Wrench 2008-06-20T03:18:12Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#835a4b37-752b-4ffd-8307-23dfb5920d15 didn't they settle that in a giant vat of pudding?? Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:18:31 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#835a4b37-752b-4ffd-8307-23dfb5920d15 Porn☆! 2008-06-19T06:18:31Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#f3d7d79d-465a-4512-820f-fd3f3a08140f I try to keep Myriad posted about stuff like this, so she can jump in when the time feels right. Myriad helped with supply runs and prep work, helped make the photo shoot happen and successful... not for glamour either the way things turned out, she's not in the shot. And while fun, it was a lot of work and time too. Everyone was glad to have her support. I think the crew is doing an amazing amount of work. In a few short months, feels like we've done more than my last camp did in three years (bigger guns, better tools?)... but we have even higher ambitions, with lots left to do. So let's take K8's call to arms as just that. The bus isn't going to build itself, and we can use all the help we can get! Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:14:48 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#f3d7d79d-465a-4512-820f-fd3f3a08140f Porn☆! 2008-06-19T06:14:48Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#9a0200a0-502c-4cf6-800b-a6371878e1d7 wow. been off tribe for a few days and look what happened while I was away... The biggest lesson I have learned about the role of hub of a wheel <that's what my role recently has felt like>, is that when I'm having a really tough time and I show my fear it is often recieved as anger or meanness or agression. I have gotten a small ration of shit from a few who don't like the way I am and the way I conduct myself and you know, I feel okay about that, don't love it but I accept it. Because I am doing my best at a job no one else wanted & one that I have never done before. Now I see I'm not alone. Mostly I have gotten thanks and praise for how the project has been organized and about how welcome and included I make people feel, so, I choose to have that be the energy that fuels my fire from this point on. I got distracted by the negativity for a bit and all it did was make me feel icky and cry too often. What I read in the original post of this thread is the fear of the steering team that, after months of back breaking work and fundraising, we might not make it..... filtered through K8. There was no way to know but here is where it all started......On Saturday Andy was in ful melt down mode, I was gone to work out of town <having logged at least 20 hours last week on the project I needed to make money> there were 6 people at an all hands on deck workparty and what needed to get done was impossible. To say the fear infected the steering team would be the most honest stament of the day. There are some serious stress points, set backs and deadlines we have not yet met. One thing I would like to share is that every request and announcement or decision is discussed with the steering team &/or the experts in a particualr area from our larger group, before it is posted or acted on. Even though a great deal of the actual posts come from myself or K8 Andy is part of them all, as are several others depending on topic. I'm not just sitting there making stuff up and telling people what to do, though I can see how it might feel like that sometimes and I do apologize if that was the impression. I have to say I am saddned to see the mud slinging and I am hoping we can bring it to a close and use this as a learning oppertunity and a point of departure for greater things. Why I am doing this, if you ever wondered...... When Andy and I decided this was what we wanted to do this year we made a choice to depart form camps of our past and try to unite the broader crew under one flag. The Bomb Squad. Andy was AV and I felt it was a tight knit system I couldn't fully enter into, I was part of Monkey Puzzle and he felt the same about that system. So, as we plan for our familys to blend in the real world we hoped to blend our familys in the burner world by inviting both our past family and inviting new participation from where ever it was coming from. Not all of either of our former camps have chosen to participate and many new faces have turned up along the way. We made it a huge camp on purpose to try and acommodate everyone but alas we filled up really quick and have had to say no to a few. As is the ebb and flow of a community with limited real estate and resources. We have not turned away anyone who has written or expressed intrest in building & helping.... so, if you find yourself feeling left out I wonder, have you asked to be included? Your steering commitee is merely human and if you do not tell us you need a hand up we might accidentally leave you sitting on the beach because it looks as though your enjoying the view. Some people you might approch if your wanting to get invloved: Bryndl (me) K8 Andy Tanya Matt Rua Carl The next work party is on Sunday the22nd @ 5150 NE Cully from 11-3, often we begin early and work later. Also, Sunday July 20th all day....... and I would imagine Agust 3rd and 10th we'll be needing help too. more solid dates will be announced after Wed of this week Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:29:51 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#9a0200a0-502c-4cf6-800b-a6371878e1d7 $item.owner.firstName 2008-06-17T17:29:51Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#c10a268f-f77b-4b92-a1ad-21ddcf9f1e5c I second. that I am really confused by project path. Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:26:49 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#c10a268f-f77b-4b92-a1ad-21ddcf9f1e5c Lighthouse 2008-06-17T16:26:49Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#1574380d-775c-4cda-850b-23267d891598 The way that this thread has turned makes me sad inside. Maybe it's a big rant, but in the end it gets to the point. Please live up to your hype Please help realize this project Please help take some of the work off of the shoulders of few Many hands make...what's that cliche phrase? either way, you get the idea. Stop trying to find a way to be offended by this and take it for what it is. A call for all hands on deck, that needs to be answered. Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:29:47 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#1574380d-775c-4cda-850b-23267d891598 Azurell 2008-06-17T07:29:47Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#82182359-ddc6-4376-9a39-1816d625d9ce I always find these strings interesting, and unfortunately it has taken on a flavor of personal attacks that has spread like a virus. I am sorry that some have not felt welcomed, as I know that is not an intentional effect this team has strove for. This project is so big, that some of the more subtle efforts of reaching out and communication on this tribe may have not gotten the attention they should to keep everyone informed. Perhaps an area for improvement! Personally, I have been to most of the work parties, and my expereince has been amazing. I LOVE it! I am learning how to weld, I am learning metal fab, I am learning how to read bolt measurements... way cool shit!!! The rough days and the good days - I drink it all up! I am fairly new to this community, but my intentions has been to be a part of a community that has strong personalities and a will to take on things that most others only dream about. I was welcomed and encouraged and supported.... sure I see some things I don't agree with, but we must remind ourselves that projects like this is a grand experiment in social development - and through hardship is when we grow the most. i want to stretch and grow - and that can be painful - but one needs to lean into the pain and fear sometimes and not lash out. Marklar is right, (1) posting blame and making things personal is not productive and everyone loses, especially the all the people involved in this project that are not on this string - and (2) posting about how no one is helping won't make people want to help either. Sometimes the need to express frustration runs contrary to what you really want to happen - BUT it is also a necessary part of community communication - it is a paradox. There are many of us on this project that are in for the experience, not just the fun. The commitment has to be to the project, not to the fun you expect. Once you make that choice - that is when the deeper connections begin - the hard work, the bruises, reworking the plan when it is not working, being able to let go and trust others and follow some direction, even if you don't agree with all the choices. I really hope to see more of you at the work parties coming up - SO, I just want to get back to work on the BUS and make it happen, so that we can get out on the playa and dance, make music, do art tours, pick up strangers and make them our friends, or just help out on a project that makes us feel good about ourselves. That is what I want in my heart of hearts. Can we all come back to that, and see how each of us can help that happen? Lets get some work party dates posted and GET TO WORK!!! Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:08:36 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#82182359-ddc6-4376-9a39-1816d625d9ce Rua 2008-06-17T07:08:36Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#c025a629-d52b-41ec-bb7a-2d2c6443aee5 This is hardly a flame war. I think what's being expressed here from K8 outward is essential. It's like, oh my god FINALLY. Because there's been rumblings held in check for weeks. I have not been to any work parties before last night and am not on project path and so have been largely outside of any of what I'm speaking of, but people do talk and I do pay attention. My thing is, all this grinding of gears and personal working out (hopefully) of differences is a FACT OF ANY work party or larger project like this one is. The bus is bigger than any one person to hold; it's bigger than a well-practiced cabal of three! But that's the beauty; do you see? It's supposed to be About The Bus, but really it's about all of us learning to work together. This person gets a chance to manage, that person gets a chance to organize and everyone fails. That's the reality kids; that's almost the point! You think you just step in somewhere and be a rockstar? When I first heard a long time ago how people were getting rankled over Bryndl's holding of the project management, it made sense to me in another way. I've barely talked to her about it but as someone who has bitten off way more than he could chew a bunch of times and lived to grow from it, I saw her path with this project as really great: she's goin' big. She's painting a target on her chest for sure, cause everyone gets to blame HER when they don't get their thing the way they want. Now, how she (or for that matter K8) holds her responsibilities to the project, how she manages to interact with the dozens of people who want something from her determines how much fun she has with this. We don't start out experts! Yes: K8's words seemed unnecessarily sharp to Myriad, but I don't know what's in her life to deal with. I know it's a lot. It doesn't seem like she's having fun as she wrote those posts, so I'm inclined to feel compassion for her. Get the drift? Bottom line I praise both K8 and Bryndl cause it's a damn hard job to be in the President's chair. Blaming them will not change anything - although posted rants about how no one is helping won't either. But is anyone else willing to take such a big piece of the responsibilty for this huge-ass project? I'm not. Hey, everyone who's doing more than I am on this project: thank you! Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:47:12 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#c025a629-d52b-41ec-bb7a-2d2c6443aee5 marklar 2008-06-17T00:47:12Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#52af1e1b-341c-431d-b5cb-442e5745567c Oh, um, jeez. I didn't mean to start a flame war guys. I don't want this to turn into a picking sides kind of thing, and I don't want a personal issue I've been having with K8 to spill over onto the Groove Bomb crew, who are great folks that make me feel very welcomed (though Munky is right that the tribe site is slow and not welcoming. But, hey, there's life outside of tribe, right?). Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:26:31 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#52af1e1b-341c-431d-b5cb-442e5745567c Myriad 2008-06-17T00:26:31Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#4c47e30b-3fba-41b2-9d71-d9d81f6c0525 As an older outsider, I'm not surprised you are not receiving more participation in this project. When I first signed on to tribe, I saw Munky Puzzle and Mobile Groove on other friends' friends lists. I signed on for fun and posted some personal messages. I was pretty much ignored. My social comments posted on the tribes were ignored, too. I'm not feeling sour grapes at being disregarded. I'm not into cliques or breaking into long-term friend groups, but more into just saying hi and getting to know local people. No big deal. But of the tribes I've joined, yours have been the least welcoming or responsive. It seems your social group is pretty tight knit and you respond and share information in a small circle. To me, that means you probably have members who might be curious, but are less so over time, and over time, lose interest entirely. Maybe they will think your group's activities are fun or inspiring (and I think they are, too) at times, and encourage you. The problem is, if your small group is inclusive and doesn't reach out to others, those others will eventually feel uninvested in putting themselves out. Capisce? It's one thing to put on a big project and have a lot of attendees. It's another to involve / include them along the way, and make it inclusive in a social way. That's harder. Best of luck with your project. I think it sounds fun. And I don't diminish your challenge. - Annie Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:19:07 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#4c47e30b-3fba-41b2-9d71-d9d81f6c0525 Munky 2008-06-17T00:19:07Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#f408eae9-f479-46dd-a104-51e6b96ff999 I've had it. Myriad is a genuine sweetheart. In every way. And, although not going to the Burn, let alone not going with Groove Bomb, she was willing to donate time and expertise with no ulterior motive other than to toss some good vibe to a sweet soul like Andy. But let no good deed go unpunished: despite being unambiguosly publicly insulted, and with no cause whatsoever I might add, Myriad very maturely defended herself by responding factually and resisting the urge to toss out epithets. I will not weigh in on the broader, underlying, matter that some are overworked and feeling underappreciated in this endeavor. I have formed my own camp with others this year, and I assure you the dynamic expressed here is hardly unique to Groove Bomb. But insulting my friend Myriad to make a point directed at others crosses the line, and makes me very angry. And rather than apologize, as she ought ot have done, K8 insead acts defensive, piling on yet one more unnecessary public and unmerited insults by calling Myriad an "angry girl". Fucking hell! Myriad controlled her anger very well, but sometimes peolpe are angry for a reason, such as when they get insulted by a mean and cruel person. K8 does, in fact, offer ugly words and ugly attitude to many, many people, including my fiancee, to whom K8 literally turns her shoulder and face whenever they meet, despite my fiancee's efforts to be painfully nice as she introduced herself to this community. (And if there is any doubt on this particular point, I invite you to check out the "Steam Punk" photos of the Steam Train, where K8's excluding body language could not be more obvious or infantile). K8 is mean to people, and seems proud of it. That is a fact. I am fully aware that in some retarded high school way there is some popularity dynamic at work here, which I might add is utterly meaningless to me. I am also not even remotely naive, and am fully aware that many will come to K8's defense, and insult me both openly and to my back as a consequence, all the while pretending K8 is not routinely as unnecessarily cruel to others, especially other women, as she exemplified here. But since she insists on insulting those who matter to me, I will no longer shut up about it. I am incapable of it. And if K8 or others seek a war of words with me, then bring it on! I have literally dozens of examples to back me up. I have friends, acquaintances and, like K8, those who do not like either me, or my excessively direct way of being. But I, for one, am here to stay. I fear no one, and I will continue to go to any event I feel like attending, and I invite any of those who disagree with me or even just my approach here, to speak to me about it. I used to think I was misreading things and overreacting, having a hard time coming up with a reason why I was being treated rudely (that is to say, other than gifting K8 with literally dozens of hours of free legal advice in preparation for last year's Emerge-n-See). But whether K8 is aware of it or not, she is leaving a very, very, very long trail of upset people in the wake of her very shitty attitude. And it is high time to put a stop to it. And if no one else seems willing to do it, then sign me up. -Pedro Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:15:33 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#f408eae9-f479-46dd-a104-51e6b96ff999 $item.owner.firstName 2008-06-17T00:15:33Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#5dc38fcf-dfe4-424b-b739-598b54a17c51 i'm on the tribe but haven't turned up since the bomb wash a couple of months ago. that will be remedied for the next one that i can make it to, regardless of blog content or wouldn't-know-the-playa-from-the-sandbox status. i just dig the bus. Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:10:06 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#5dc38fcf-dfe4-424b-b739-598b54a17c51 Iris 2008-06-17T00:10:06Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#cad2d6ed-7e94-436c-9476-2a55bd4edc37 Never debate a K8. You'll always be squashed under her star spangled platforms. Glad to see Dead Letter Ben drop in, he was the last fellow to try and debate a K8. Foolish mortals, see how you tremble! Anyway, I didn't take any of this personally even though it was So Obviously directed at me Specifically, just like everything else on Tribe.net. I wish you cats the best of luck with your current outbreak of Ho-Humary. It always shows up sometime, am I right? Good to get it out of the system a few months before the Burn, that way, hopefully, your camp won't be a seething crowd of folks giving each other "The Eye", a.k.a. "The Look". "80 percent of roommates report getting so drunk last night." Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:03:01 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#cad2d6ed-7e94-436c-9476-2a55bd4edc37 The Don 2008-06-17T00:03:01Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#d414d282-7261-48d2-a06c-86b3de961e34 One suggestion - can we please post the work party dates, times, location and expected projects on Tribe to promote them louder and wider? I'm afraid that despite the fact there are 160+ people on Project Path and that's it a great planning tool, people aren't in the habit of checking it, and there are others who aren't on it yet so they don't see the calendar and messages. Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:00:31 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#d414d282-7261-48d2-a06c-86b3de961e34 TZ 2008-06-17T00:00:31Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#4ed78c36-1670-409f-bb33-ca6f545526d7 Even though I am not going to be able to camp with you, now that I am out of school for the summer I'll be there because I love you guys and what you do ;? Oh and I HELLA Wanna drive the bus. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:49:05 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#4ed78c36-1670-409f-bb33-ca6f545526d7 Lighthouse 2008-06-16T23:49:05Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#f9ebe02c-d013-41cb-9023-b05213eafcb5 Regardless of the previous content... We could use help on the Groove Bomb and would appreciate some extra hands at the next work day, and all subsequent work days after that. Help is appreciated and the hope is that you reap the rewards of a kick ass bus at events, festivals, shows, etc. and you can take pride in knowing you helped build it. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:20:09 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#f9ebe02c-d013-41cb-9023-b05213eafcb5 $item.owner.firstName 2008-06-16T23:20:09Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#9bb5f876-8a63-40c7-a70d-dade01a91131 1) I'm not going to be on playa. However I love the Bomb squad, and have seen the exhaustion evident, anything I can do to relieve that in people I love,I will do. Regardless of the fact that this isn't my party, regardless of my own schedule i lovelovelove. 2) but i do gotta make a comment here, there are 167!!people on this tribe. To date I've done a couple work parties, a couple party set-ups and I've never seen even 1/4 of that number. Though I HAVE seen that number show up to party on the bus at various parties. Also only 3 people have commented, and one of them also isn't gonna be on playa! NO one has anything else to say?!! Regardless of politics, guilt or blame, this is leaving me in disappointment of my own community. So help a bomb out kids, I'm not out to make NO body feel guilty...but shit, these folks HAVE been working their asses off for MONTHS. and really if you are camping at the Burning Man with the Groove Bomb, am I doing YOUR work for YOU?! Cuz I don't wanna help the lazy ones, I wanna help the ones that i see exhausted and still groovin along... lovelovelove ginberry. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:17:51 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#9bb5f876-8a63-40c7-a70d-dade01a91131 Ginberry 2008-06-16T23:17:51Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#cc54df61-3d84-44c5-848c-c9180188cd8e metavirus Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:51:51 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#cc54df61-3d84-44c5-848c-c9180188cd8e deadletter b 2008-06-16T22:51:51Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#91c89e9c-1d04-4188-bfd8-b1c63bec6512 I'm deeply sorry that you're so upset by my post, not directed at you originally and written only at the request of a dear and overworked friend. You know about 1/2 of 1% about most of this, and so I wonder why this has affected you most of all the people who have read it. Interestingly, until about 10 minutes ago when I clicked through your profile, I had no match for the tribe person and the real person, so the personal note which all of this seems to have struck with you was a surprise. I admit I'm tempted to delete this whole thing because it has stopped being the request that it was and has devolved into a debate about egos propogated by a seemingly very angry girl. Who that angry girl is, well I guess it could go either way and I leave it open to interpretation. Not everyone in this community, not even everyone on this project, is my friend...some of them don't even like me all that much. I'm fine with that. And most of them, well, they are fine with that too. Mutual history of purchasing a ticket to a weeklong party is not a default requirement for friendship. And the goal of a community resource, something that goes beyond a week in the desert and is not, to some of us, just a Burning Man art car, is and was enough to bring most of us together to work and play in spite of all that. So I'm not going to delete this....I'm going to let it live on here. As a reminder. To whoever. You reap what you sow and you hear what you want to hear. That's the way it works. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:24:28 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#91c89e9c-1d04-4188-bfd8-b1c63bec6512 k8 industries™ 2008-06-16T21:24:28Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#b2b91b30-115b-4346-9a94-b249ce86daca K8, if you don't have enough time for yourself, your son, your job, and your life, then stop doing this. And you're right, you can't MAKE me feel guilty, but you can manage to only talk to me when you are criticizing me. If you choose to take no responsibility for how you craft your words that is your prerogative but all of your words to me recently, when you even recognize that I'm standing there, have been ugly. Every word out of your mouth has been about how somebody is not doing what you think they should and is taking advantage of you. Obviously I am not one of your friends, despite my best efforts, so I only get a limited perspective of you. It may be worth considering how many other people are only getting that perspective though. Burning Man projects are always grandiose, it's the nature of the event. We want to do things up large and fantastic and fabulous, and many only realize half way through how much time and work and money that takes. I am not going to Burning Man this year specifically because I don't want to be spending all my time and money and energy on it. I don't want the drama. I don't want the stress. Now I like the Groove Bomb. Scratch that, I've never even seen the thing assembled, but I really like some of the people who like the Groove Bomb. I want to make them happy by helping them if I can do so in a way that doesn't make ME miserable. Then I hear about work parties. Yeah, I remember work parties. I hated them but I did them because my camp needed it to get to the playa. They were miserable and stressful and contributed no small amount to our camp's shitty interpersonal dynamic. But, hey, these are my friends right? Maybe I can bring sandwiches some day or something when I've got a bit of free time. Then I hear angry rants about all the people not showing up, the work not getting done, and those damned folks who only show up for 15minutes and then leave. Well. That makes me not want to show up for 15 minutes, or at all. I just don't think brow-beating is a good way to motivate folks. I know it's a piss poor way to motivate me. Now perhaps you think people should show up simply out of a sense of loyalty and duty. I agree, but they don't. If the work parties feel like punishment and penance then people will find reasons not to go. Fuck, this whole thing is preparation for a damned party in the middle of the desert. It's not worth a bucket load of misery for most folks. But you know what DID make me want to go? Praise. I showed up, I worked, and I got shittons of praise (which I think most of us are rather short on). I got public praise, boasting for me about how I'd shown up to every work party even though I was gimpy and poor. Then other folks started showing up not because they were ashamed of not having shown before but because THEY wanted praise too. It's cheap coin that tends to mean a lot to the people who receive it. Now this isn't my camp and it's not my show to run. You obviously don't have to listen to a cotton picken' thing I have to say, but this is what observing groups has taught me: people avoid anything that makes them feel bad about themselves. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:55:57 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#b2b91b30-115b-4346-9a94-b249ce86daca Myriad 2008-06-16T00:55:57Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#ccb1d1c7-bb48-4fad-b16f-733174521c6f well, i guess it was semi-directed at your "well if its only for work party people then i'm not bringing my toys to play." you have enough time to come to a photo shoot.... it was also directed at the 100 people who have said that they want to be part of this project and aren't showing up. i have little money, little time, and little energy even for myself...and my son...and my job...and my life. and i don't show up for everything. but i also don't jump in and wanna do just the fun stuff. as for "being made to feel guilty" — i can't make you or anyone else feel anything. that's a choice. i can state the facts (that we are not getting the participation we were led to expect through individual's uncoerced commitment to the project), express my own feelings (frustration, disappointment, and exhaustion) and ask questions about how to reset the project's expectations (i.e. please let us know if you're in or out to help us decide if we move forward with this project.) if your response, or anyone else's, is guilt, i haven't made that. i don't do guilt — i lived with travel agents for guilt trips for too long. but i will, in a way that some people will not, explain the consequences of their choices to not show up and call bullshit. Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:57:41 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#ccb1d1c7-bb48-4fad-b16f-733174521c6f k8 industries™ 2008-06-15T20:57:41Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#ba107636-33dc-4648-9c7a-14114f03a19b I'm really hoping that's not directed at me. There are some people showing up and doing little things here and there that aren't at all part of the Groove Bomb project (like myself) just because we like you folks. I'm showing up because Andrew's a sweetheart who made me feel welcomed and wanted when I was new and other folks didn't even have time to talk to me, and STILL makes me feel welcomed and wanted every time I show up to a party he's at. I have little money, little time, and little energy even for myself. I'm giving what I've got. I really don't like being made to feel guilty for that. It doesn't make me want to show up more; it makes me want to not show up at all. Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:07:19 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#ba107636-33dc-4648-9c7a-14114f03a19b Myriad 2008-06-15T20:07:19Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#7127039c-f149-4569-bb32-5630b28815de I'd like to be clear about something: The calendar is a fun addition to the attempts to raise funds for the bus. Its not work that will get the bus done. Unless you are armless, legless and in a coma, there are always work projects that you can do to get the bus done: painting bolt heads, sorting bolts and nuts into an organizational system so that we know how to put them together on the playa, sealing the sign with clearcoat, hardware store runs, etc. are just a few that come to mind that need to get done this weekend. Its not all brute strength and welding that is helpful — if it was, I wouldn't be able to help either.... Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:42:14 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#7127039c-f149-4569-bb32-5630b28815de k8 industries™ 2008-06-15T16:42:14Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#560e893c-d44a-42ab-bdc9-59ea96253d8a Okaaaay. I was just gonna show up to help with the crowd shoot for the Red Dress picture but if it's just for folks at the work party, well, that's not how I can help. Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:57:38 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#560e893c-d44a-42ab-bdc9-59ea96253d8a Myriad 2008-06-15T07:57:38Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#1dffb04c-dbcf-4d86-bf61-df83d0c9a8e0 I believe that the work will be starting by 10 am. The photoshot will be happening when we are done with work for the day. Get on the bus! And lets all show our appreciation of Andy and the fun that he has facilitated with the 'Bomb by showing up and making this happen! Yeah! Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:08:20 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#1dffb04c-dbcf-4d86-bf61-df83d0c9a8e0 The Wrench 2008-06-15T07:08:20Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#bdb4fda8-5d18-4256-870e-4092a8b959b2 So... when's the work party tomorrow? And when's the photoshoot for the fundraiser calendar (for those of us who are gimpy and not so much with the hammer swinging or stuff schlepping)? Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:22:05 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#bdb4fda8-5d18-4256-870e-4092a8b959b2 Myriad 2008-06-15T06:22:05Z http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#e255b221-f76e-460e-8c80-f9acfbf33123 Some of you may not have remembered that there was a work party today. We're busy people and the sun is out...these things happen. The trouble is, that you may have also forgotten to come to the work day on May 17, April 27, April 12, etc. And the lack of attendance (or people who show up and can only work for 15 minutes and then leave) has forced us to push our, albeit ambitious, June 21 completion date to August 1. Sorry, its seems that summer vacation has been postponed until October. There are 61 people on this project path. There are another 40+ who think that they are camping with the bus project. Listening to Andy's frustration, Bryndl's exhaustion, and the aches and complaints of my own sore body, I wonder where these people are. And why people want to associate themselves with the bus but don't want to help make her happen? Where are the people who have said, by associating themselves with this project and its Burning Man camp/parking space, who want to do the work to make the bus happen? Where are the fundraisers and camp dues and donations that will help cover the costs to make the bus happen? Where will the staff for the on-playa excursions come from? Who will be there to load the bus up and who will be there to clean up the mess? Because at this point, its the same dozen people reliably showing up for work days, for setup and tear down of the few fundraisers we've managed to eke together between work parties, who take days off work to weld and cut and drill and clean and BE THERE for this project. And its wearing on them and its still not enough. We imagined this thing back in March and presented it to you all at the Watershed and asked for your help. And you said you would give it. Please do that or let us know that you cannot. I understand more than most how enthusiasm can make one overcommit, but we leave for the playa in under 10 weeks and its time to take stock and make a commitment - to the project and to your friends who have been working very hard to see it completed. So, like I said, I understand that some of you may not have remembered that there was a work party today. We're busy people and the sun is out...these things happen... fortunately, I'm reminding you about the one tomorrow right now. Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:12:44 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/f7f10992-ecfb-4119-ae31-2d41b074fe39#e255b221-f76e-460e-8c80-f9acfbf33123 k8 industries™ 2008-06-15T01:12:44Z